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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.22 13:53:00 -
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Hi, i too think that nano-ships are overpowered.
Either nanos and similar speedmods should be nerfed, or restricted to ships with a certain role (so that not every ship with few lowslots can go 3km/s+) OR there should be anti-nano modules, that actually can counter nanos in game and not only on paper.
Disclaimer: This is not a whine post but valuable customer feedback (which i give even without taking part in a sweepstakes or receiving a gift).
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.06.22 13:54:00 -
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I think kitten are overpowered. Nerf kittens.
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PR0D AK71V
Mad Hamster Infestation
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Posted - 2008.06.22 13:58:00 -
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/signed both
also concord is overpowered... nerf concord
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2008.06.22 14:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Hi, i too think that nano-ships are overpowered.
Either nanos and similar speedmods should be nerfed, or restricted to ships with a certain role (so that not every ship with few lowslots can go 3km/s+) OR there should be anti-nano modules, that actually can counter nanos in game and not only on paper.
Disclaimer: This is not a whine post but valuable customer feedback (which i give even without taking part in a sweepstakes or receiving a gift).
gtfo
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Helen
coracao ardente
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Posted - 2008.06.22 14:12:00 -
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If it looks like a whine post and sounds like a whine post its a whine post right?
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2008.06.22 14:13:00 -
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I feel like im in the movie Groundhog Day...
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AKULA UrQuan
Druuge Crimson Corporation
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Posted - 2008.06.22 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
I feel like im in the movie Groundhog Day...
That guy got a better deal tbh.
Meanwhile, since there are several fresh "nerf nano!!1!" threads floating around here already. Was it really needed to make yet another one?
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Pies
Exanimo Inc
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Posted - 2008.06.22 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
OR there should be anti-nano modules, that actually can counter nanos in game and not only on paper.
There already are two things that do that...
1.) Stasis Web
2.) A brain
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AstroPhobic
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Posted - 2008.06.22 14:49:00 -
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1. Minnie Recons
2. Heavy Neutralizers
3. Remote Rep Gangs
4. More nanos!
5. Decent tracking
6. Suicide tacklers
7. Forced low transversal, sniper battleships
8. Staying about 15km from any gang mate - making a big "web"
Dur-de-dur.
Astro
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Jalif
Deviance Inc
Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.22 14:51:00 -
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Problem with Nano's is:
- As nano you try to avoid damage, but the shield extenders create a large buffer if you get hit. Thats why they are overpowered. The Solution to this is that Large Shield Extenders & MWD shouldn't work togheter.
You wouldn't see any nano ship if these 2 were not togheter.
- The HP buff also was just to help about Nano's. Same as the reason as above, they can survive multiply hits. Solution to this is to increase mass of those ships who shouldn't be nano'd.
- Any Cruiser sized nano ship has taken over the role of the interceptor. Cause they can take more hits (becuase of the Shield Buffer)... Have more Damage Output. Because of Nano-Ships & Nano-Blobs, interceptors have been nerfed too.
- There is no single way to take down a nano-ship with a non-nano-ship. YOu need a nano-ship to kill him. Therefore you will see only & more nano-ships everyday.
- Nano-Recons who have the same Price as a good fitted Battleship. Those Recons have the ability to kill the battleship or to run from it. The Battleship has no way to kill those ships but just saving his ship. You need more then 1 person to kill just 1 nano ships if you want to use non-nano ships. Is this really balanced?
- New people in the game can't go into a pvp-tackling frig as they won't be able to catch anyone & are easy targets for nano-ships. You are ruining the gaming experiance for the newbies who like to get dirrectly into pvp.
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Riho
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.06.22 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Hi, i too think that nano-ships are overpowered.
Either nanos and similar speedmods should be nerfed, or restricted to ships with a certain role (so that not every ship with few lowslots can go 3km/s+) OR there should be anti-nano modules, that actually can counter nanos in game and not only on paper.
Disclaimer: This is not a whine post but valuable customer feedback (which i give even without taking part in a sweepstakes or receiving a gift).
i too think your a newbie who wants the game changed because he cant think of a way to adapt himself.
your disclaimer is worth nothing... this a pure and simple whine post... you dont give any new ideas, just plain whine.
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Tenuo
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.06.22 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Hi, i too think that nano-ships are overpowered.
Either nanos and similar speedmods should be nerfed, or restricted to ships with a certain role (so that not every ship with few lowslots can go 3km/s+) OR there should be anti-nano modules, that actually can counter nanos in game and not only on paper.
Disclaimer: This is not a whine post but valuable customer feedback (which i give even without taking part in a sweepstakes or receiving a gift).
gtfo
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.22 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Riho
i too think your a newbie who wants the game changed because he cant think of a way to adapt himself.
your disclaimer is worth nothing... this a pure and simple whine post... you dont give any new ideas, just plain whine.
Oh noes, you hurt my feelings 
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Crazy Tasty
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.06.22 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Helen
If it looks like a whine post and sounds like a whine post its a whine post right?
Obvious whine is obvious?
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Reem Fairchild
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.22 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
gtfo
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Akuma Tsukai
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Posted - 2008.06.22 16:24:00 -
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Nanos are fine. nano counters are crap.
So unless CCP will get a gift from heaven they WILL nerf nano  Happy now?
P.S. Anybody bothered to count nerf nanos threads? 
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kor anon
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.06.22 16:28:00 -
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oh ffs not another one of these threads, whats so hard about using about taking the iniative and fitting a webber or a single neut. I mean ffs stop your whining, the tools are there to counter nano just learn how to use them properly
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slothe
Murky Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.22 16:41:00 -
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nanos per se arent overpowered, polycarbons are objectively overpowered, just tweak polycarbs in line with other rigs and thats a good start.
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adriaans
Ascendant Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.06.22 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: slothe
nanos per se arent overpowered, polycarbons are objectively overpowered, just tweak polycarbs in line with other rigs and thats a good start.
after having played around a bit the last 2-3 days with nano fittings for the first time, this has proven to be closest to the truth.
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Tenuo
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.06.22 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: slothe
nanos per se arent overpowered, polycarbons are objectively overpowered, just tweak polycarbs in line with other rigs and thats a good start.
This man speaks the truth.
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Lorz0r
You're Doing It Wrong
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Posted - 2008.06.22 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
1. Minnie Recons
2. Heavy Neutralizers
3. Remote Rep Gangs
4. More nanos!
5. Decent tracking
6. Suicide tacklers
7. Forced low transversal, sniper battleships
8. Staying about 15km from any gang mate - making a big "web"
Dur-de-dur.
Astro
Stupid OP post does mean he will get stupid replies I guess...
1. yes, nano counter
2. nano counter but isn't gonna get you any kills and can only be used on battleships and are very very difficult to fit on alot of them
3. counter to anything, not just nano
4. great. nano's counter nano's. lets all fly nano's
5. decent tracking? ok...pretty much an impossibility on ships fitting anything but small guns and impossible for missile ships
6. suicide tacklers? what interceptors or just weak nanoships? why not just make a good nanoship instead? see #4.
7. sniper battleships are mincemeat to a semi non ******** nano pilot
8. unrealistic counter in a skirmish
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PirceHat
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Posted - 2008.06.22 17:36:00 -
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Stupid OP post does mean he will get stupid replies I guess...
1. yes, nano counter
2. nano counter but isn't gonna get you any kills and can only be used on battleships and are very very difficult to fit on alot of them
3. counter to anything, not just nano
4. great. nano's counter nano's. lets all fly nano's
5. decent tracking? ok...pretty much an impossibility on ships fitting anything but small guns and impossible for missile ships
6. suicide tacklers? what interceptors or just weak nanoships? why not just make a good nanoship instead? see #4.
7. sniper battleships are mincemeat to a semi non ******** nano pilot
8. unrealistic counter in a skirmish
2. Fitting a heavy neut on a battleship isn't all that hard.
4. Geddon swarm > nanos
5. Fly a ******* geddonÖ
6. T1 vigil easily goes 4k/s, \o/
7. No, no they arn't. And its not proper sniper battleships its geddons etc. with t2 range ammo loadded.
8. Did this exact thing with t1 cruisers the other days and killed about fifteen nanohacs.
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AstroPhobic
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Posted - 2008.06.22 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Lorz0r
Originally by: AstroPhobic
1. Minnie Recons
2. Heavy Neutralizers
3. Remote Rep Gangs
4. More nanos!
5. Decent tracking
6. Suicide tacklers
7. Forced low transversal, sniper battleships
8. Staying about 15km from any gang mate - making a big "web"
Dur-de-dur.
Astro
Stupid OP post does mean he will get stupid replies I guess...
1. yes, nano counter
2. nano counter but isn't gonna get you any kills and can only be used on battleships and are very very difficult to fit on alot of them
3. counter to anything, not just nano
4. great. nano's counter nano's. lets all fly nano's
5. decent tracking? ok...pretty much an impossibility on ships fitting anything but small guns and impossible for missile ships
6. suicide tacklers? what interceptors or just weak nanoships? why not just make a good nanoship instead? see #4.
7. sniper battleships are mincemeat to a semi non ******** nano pilot
8. unrealistic counter in a skirmish
So you agree that 1,2,3,4, and 6 are viable counters, yet you call my post stupid. Anyway, we all know missile ships fail against nanos, so why even bring this up? You get some decent tracking on pulse or autocannons and the nanos that can't perma MWD will fall flat. Anyway, if you're being attacked by nanos (read - home system), you can easily setup several sniper BS outside of a bubble. 2 groups. If said nanoships go after one group, the other group waits until transversal becomes ~0 (read - not pressing f1-f8 and hoping) and blasts them away. 8 is only your opinion of unrealistic - as it is extremely realistic, given you're not all sniper fit. Just requires a decent FC and co-ordination.
Anyway, gtfo.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.22 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Akuma Tsukai
Nanos are fine. nano counters are crap.
So unless CCP will get a gift from heaven they WILL nerf nano Happy now?
P.S. Anybody bothered to count nerf nanos threads?
Someone in caldari melitia chat said we must make at least 2 a day in order to create CHANGE we can BELIEVE in. Let's HOPE it is true and we don't have to make 5 a day 
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Lorz0r
You're Doing It Wrong
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Posted - 2008.06.22 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: Lorz0r
Originally by: AstroPhobic
1. Minnie Recons
2. Heavy Neutralizers
3. Remote Rep Gangs
4. More nanos!
5. Decent tracking
6. Suicide tacklers
7. Forced low transversal, sniper battleships
8. Staying about 15km from any gang mate - making a big "web"
Dur-de-dur.
Astro
Stupid OP post does mean he will get stupid replies I guess...
1. yes, nano counter
2. nano counter but isn't gonna get you any kills and can only be used on battleships and are very very difficult to fit on alot of them
3. counter to anything, not just nano
4. great. nano's counter nano's. lets all fly nano's
5. decent tracking? ok...pretty much an impossibility on ships fitting anything but small guns and impossible for missile ships
6. suicide tacklers? what interceptors or just weak nanoships? why not just make a good nanoship instead? see #4.
7. sniper battleships are mincemeat to a semi non ******** nano pilot
8. unrealistic counter in a skirmish
So you agree that 1,2,3,4, and 6 are viable counters, yet you call my post stupid. Anyway, we all know missile ships fail against nanos, so why even bring this up? You get some decent tracking on pulse or autocannons and the nanos that can't perma MWD will fall flat. Anyway, if you're being attacked by nanos (read - home system), you can easily setup several sniper BS outside of a bubble. 2 groups. If said nanoships go after one group, the other group waits until transversal becomes ~0 (read - not pressing f1-f8 and hoping) and blasts them away. 8 is only your opinion of unrealistic - as it is extremely realistic, given you're not all sniper fit. Just requires a decent FC and co-ordination.
Anyway, gtfo.
naaah, ill just stay for a bit thanks
I said 1. is a viable counter the rest arent viable. and for the post above - fitting heavy neuts on a torp raven is extremely difficult.
Why bring up why missile ships fail against nano's? oh sorry forgive me, since so few people fly them I might as well just disregard them. If I get decent racking on pulse or autocannons then as soon as they see their shield start drop they run. Cool - I've made a setup which makes nano's run away.
Also, saying nano is a viable counter to nano is nothing short of ********, it just makes the problem worse. everyone flies nano's anyway.
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kor anon
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.06.22 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lorz0r
Also, saying nano is a viable counter to nano is nothing short of ********, it just makes the problem worse. everyone flies nano's anyway.
i dont
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Vengarioth Skullshanks
Asgard Schiffswerften
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2008.06.22 18:14:00 -
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If you cant cope with nanoships your just incompetent. It just takes a little more than npcing drakes ya know
And if you take a glimpse at various killboards you will notice ... nanoships die every day... must be hax cause they are clearly invincible! :p
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kor anon
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.06.22 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Vengarioth Skullshanks
If you cant cope with nanoships your just incompetent. It just takes a little more than npcing drakes ya know
And if you take a glimpse at various killboards you will notice ... nanoships die every day... must be hax cause they are clearly invincible! :p
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Haru Itari
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Posted - 2008.06.22 18:38:00 -
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Edited by: Haru Itari on 22/06/2008 18:43:31
Did these nanonerf threads only appear after Factional Warfare came about?
All this just sound like noobies whining about something never experienced in PvE. The game is not just about dps and tanking.
I know nanofibers were pretty overpowered before, HURF DURF 5km phoon!, but they're pretty much in line with everything else except maybe polycarbs which is why they're 40-50mil each... But from what I've seen, medium range guns on T2 cruisers rip Nanos to shreds easily with a few tracker cpus.
Another way to beat them is a few ships using Tracking Links on one specific high-alpha sniper (geddon and tempest and mega come to mind here).
Another way is possibly to use heavy webbifier drones. They have innate speed of 1.5k. Get in your domi and fit 3 drone navs and 2 sensor boosters. With good drone skills, you can use them to web the nanos that go less than 3.5km.
There's a lot of ways. I mean hell, if nothing else, have everyone fit Warrior II and just completely mob them with like 40 light drones.
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood
DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.06.22 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Hi, i too think that nano-ships are overpowered.
Either nanos and similar speedmods should be nerfed, or restricted to ships with a certain role (so that not every ship with few lowslots can go 3km/s+) OR there should be anti-nano modules, that actually can counter nanos in game and not only on paper.
Disclaimer: This is not a whine post but valuable customer feedback (which i give even without taking part in a sweepstakes or receiving a gift).
Quoting another one of these FW noobs who just found out what 'speed tank' means and thinks that 3km/sec is fast.
Originally by: CCP Explorer
You can still steal their stuff.
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Dianeces
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.22 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Hi, i too think that nano-ships are overpowered.
Either nanos and similar speedmods should be nerfed, or restricted to ships with a certain role (so that not every ship with few lowslots can go 3km/s+) OR there should be anti-nano modules, that actually can counter nanos in game and not only on paper.
Disclaimer: This is not a whine post but valuable customer feedback (which i give even without taking part in a sweepstakes or receiving a gift).
don't stop posting
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Tenuo
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.06.22 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Haru Itari
Edited by: Haru Itari on 22/06/2008 18:43:31
Did these nanonerf threads only appear after Factional Warfare came about?
All this just sound like noobies whining about something never experienced in PvE. The game is not just about dps and tanking.
I know nanofibers were pretty overpowered before, HURF DURF 5km phoon!, but they're pretty much in line with everything else except maybe polycarbs which is why they're 40-50mil each... But from what I've seen, medium range guns on T2 cruisers rip Nanos to shreds easily with a few tracker cpus.
Another way to beat them is a few ships using Tracking Links on one specific high-alpha sniper (geddon and tempest and mega come to mind here).
Another way is possibly to use heavy webbifier drones. They have innate speed of 1.5k. Get in your domi and fit 3 drone navs and 2 sensor boosters. With good drone skills, you can use them to web the nanos that go less than 3.5km.
There's a lot of ways. I mean hell, if nothing else, have everyone fit Warrior II and just completely mob them with like 40 light drones.
Actually on webber drones, the other day I was doing some frig tackling on a friendly geddon with webber drones. I was in a t1 fitted vigil with t1 mwd and 1 t1 overdrive, doing about 3200m/s (my minnie frig skill isn't fantastic) and the webber drones, because of optimal + falloff, did get web on me at 20km and reduced me to 1100m/sec, permanently.
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El Yatta
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.06.22 19:27:00 -
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Same trolls, same whines, same eve-o. Speed ships are balanced, and it isn't going to change any time soon, thankfully.
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achoura
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Posted - 2008.06.22 20:57:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Hi, i too think that nano-ships are overpowered.
Either nanos and similar speedmods should be nerfed, or restricted to ships with a certain role (so that not every ship with few lowslots can go 3km/s+) OR there should be anti-nano modules, that actually can counter nanos in game and not only on paper.
Disclaimer: This is not a whine post but valuable customer feedback (which i give even without taking part in a sweepstakes or receiving a gift).
gtfo
I fully endorse this product and/or service.
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Italian Wedding
Soup Of The Day
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Posted - 2008.06.22 21:11:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Pies
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
OR there should be anti-nano modules, that actually can counter nanos in game and not only on paper.
There already are two things that do that...
1.) Stasis Web
2.) A brain
Haha, 10km Web, NICE ONE (nevermind that scrams go out to 24km so your web is useless)!
Damned smart guy here.
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Dianeces
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.22 21:14:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Italian Wedding
Originally by: Pies
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
OR there should be anti-nano modules, that actually can counter nanos in game and not only on paper.
There already are two things that do that...
1.) Stasis Web
2.) A brain
Haha, 10km Web, NICE ONE (nevermind that scrams go out to 24km so your web is useless)!
Damned smart guy here.
18km overheated T2 web crew checkin' in.
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arbalesttom
Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.22 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: El Yatta
Same trolls, same whines, same eve-o. Speed ships are balanced, and it isn't going to change any time soon, thankfully.
Oh yeah, thats why ccp stated they are looking into speed and nanofaggotery. Fly your nanoships as long as you can guys, because it will be over verry soon (tm).
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners.
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Italian Wedding
Soup Of The Day
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Posted - 2008.06.22 21:17:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Italian Wedding on 22/06/2008 21:16:59
Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Italian Wedding
Originally by: Pies
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
OR there should be anti-nano modules, that actually can counter nanos in game and not only on paper.
There already are two things that do that...
1.) Stasis Web
2.) A brain
Haha, 10km Web, NICE ONE (nevermind that scrams go out to 24km so your web is useless)!
Damned smart guy here.
18km overheated T2 web crew checkin' in.
Yah. I mean cause we all know every gang has someone in a command ship with max leadership, amiright? 18km is still pretty good I guess, cept for the part where it still doesn't come close to scram range. Lets also not forget that scram isn't overheated or receiving any gang bonuses. Thanks for playing, come again.
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Rogue Seven
Armada.
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Posted - 2008.06.22 21:24:00 -
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yeah, everything is OP, nerf everything, anything and everything, nerf it, *hands nerf bat over*
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Lord WarATron
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.22 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 22/06/2008 21:27:56
Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Italian Wedding
Originally by: Pies
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
OR there should be anti-nano modules, that actually can counter nanos in game and not only on paper.
There already are two things that do that...
1.) Stasis Web
2.) A brain
Haha, 10km Web, NICE ONE (nevermind that scrams go out to 24km so your web is useless)!
Damned smart guy here.
18km overheated T2 web crew checkin' in.
Just as well, as number 9 in my top 10 weapons according to killmails is a 36k overheated scram.
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Italian Wedding
Soup Of The Day
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Posted - 2008.06.22 21:34:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Lord WarATron
Edited by: Lord WarATron on 22/06/2008 21:27:56
Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Italian Wedding
Originally by: Pies
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
OR there should be anti-nano modules, that actually can counter nanos in game and not only on paper.
There already are two things that do that...
1.) Stasis Web
2.) A brain
Haha, 10km Web, NICE ONE (nevermind that scrams go out to 24km so your web is useless)!
Damned smart guy here.
18km overheated T2 web crew checkin' in.
Just as well, as number 9 in my top 10 weapons according to killmails is a 36k overheated scram.
Would that be with your rapier or a billion isk officer mod? Cause I mean 1 ship verse the amount of nano ships available doesn't scream balance to me. also, would that rapier happen to also be...nano'ed?
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arbalesttom
Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.22 21:39:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Italian Wedding
Originally by: Pies
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
OR there should be anti-nano modules, that actually can counter nanos in game and not only on paper.
There already are two things that do that...
1.) Stasis Web
2.) A brain
Haha, 10km Web, NICE ONE (nevermind that scrams go out to 24km so your web is useless)!
Damned smart guy here.
18km overheated T2 web crew checkin' in.
WTB t2 web that gives you 18km optimal instead of the normal 13km after overloading.
***Sig***
Originally by: Cpt Branko
That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners.
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Dr Clay
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Posted - 2008.06.22 21:48:00 -
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The irony being that we already know nano setups are undesirable side affects of being able to modify ships. Does anyone seriously believe that some of those ships are meant to move faster than AFs :p
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GreGh Rakrot
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2008.06.22 21:59:00 -
[44]
Originally by: arbalesttom
WTB t2 web that gives you 18km optimal instead of the normal 13km after overloading.
im sure u know that, but u can get 18km with TS/DB web after overloading, and they r not that expensive really these days ...
but what u want is plain t2 mod to stop ppl in ships that have invested 100s of millions in mods, implants and days of skilling to be able to go fast, but u dont want to spend some more isk to catch them... right ?
yeah i know u will say that u can nano a ship with just t2 mods, but to be effective in ur nano ship u need good skills and most pilots that fly nano alot have at least rogue hardwiring set in their heads
instead of just playing stupid u might want to contribute smth to general "nano" discussion,
there were already alot of good arguments for/against nano, that just shows the subject isnt so black and white as some ppl want to present it, i suggest u use search button and go read them
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Lucy'Lastic
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Posted - 2008.06.22 22:25:00 -
[45]
Foolish Caldari. Only now do you realise that the pilots of the Gallente federation are made of sterner stuff than the Guristas in Motsu.
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Dianeces
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.22 22:28:00 -
[46]
Originally by: arbalesttom
WTB t2 web that gives you 18km optimal instead of the normal 13km after overloading.
You're welcome.
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Central Research Nexus
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Posted - 2008.06.22 23:00:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Dr Clay
The irony being that we already know nano setups are undesirable side affects of being able to modify ships. Does anyone seriously believe that some of those ships are meant to move faster than AFs :p
My Thorax with an 800mm plate on it and no speed mods is only 60 m/s slower than my Enyo (no speed mods) using t2 MWD on both. The Ishkur is only 50 m/s faster than the Enyo. If I take the plate off my Thorax, it beats the Enyo and equals the Ishkur.
Using assault frigates as a mode of comparison is idiotic because it is well-known that AFs are broken as-is, and in fact a non-nano'd Thorax is just as quick as its racial counterparts.
To the guy who suggested no LSEs with MWD - I know a good deal of HAM Drake pvp pilots that would END you for that crap.
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NightmareX
MAFIA
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.22 23:25:00 -
[48]
Originally by: arbalesttom
Originally by: El Yatta
Same trolls, same whines, same eve-o. Speed ships are balanced, and it isn't going to change any time soon, thankfully.
Oh yeah, thats why ccp stated they are looking into speed and nanofaggotery. Fly your nanoships as long as you can guys, because it will be over verry soon (tm).
Your totally wrong, the nanos will be nerfed on ships that aren't meant to go fast, so a Vagabond will not be changed at all.
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Noelle Fay
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.23 01:20:00 -
[49]
Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: arbalesttom
Originally by: El Yatta
Same trolls, same whines, same eve-o. Speed ships are balanced, and it isn't going to change any time soon, thankfully.
Oh yeah, thats why ccp stated they are looking into speed and nanofaggotery. Fly your nanoships as long as you can guys, because it will be over verry soon (tm).
Your totally wrong, the nanos will be nerfed on ships that aren't meant to go fast, so a Vagabond will not be changed at all.
point is that polycarb rigs are not in line with other rigs and you know it. Fix them and you stop tons of complaints. Valid ones, might I add.
Nano's are only overpowered because polys are broken.
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NightmareX
MAFIA
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.23 04:14:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Noelle Fay
Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: arbalesttom
Originally by: El Yatta
Same trolls, same whines, same eve-o. Speed ships are balanced, and it isn't going to change any time soon, thankfully.
Oh yeah, thats why ccp stated they are looking into speed and nanofaggotery. Fly your nanoships as long as you can guys, because it will be over verry soon (tm).
Your totally wrong, the nanos will be nerfed on ships that aren't meant to go fast, so a Vagabond will not be changed at all.
point is that polycarb rigs are not in line with other rigs and you know it. Fix them and you stop tons of complaints. Valid ones, might I add.
Nano's are only overpowered because polys are broken.
Polycarbon rigs is fine on ships that are meant to go fast. END OF STORY.
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oldnumber7
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Posted - 2008.06.23 04:35:00 -
[51]
Originally by: PR0D AK71V
/signed both
also concord is overpowered... nerf concord
nerf concord!
/signed
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oldnumber7
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Posted - 2008.06.23 04:36:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
OR there should be anti-nano modules, that actually can counter nanos in game and not only on paper.
quote]
its called a Webber
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Lilith Velkor
Oyster Colors
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Posted - 2008.06.23 06:01:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 23/06/2008 06:04:55
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Disclaimer: This is not a whine post but valuable customer feedback (which i give even without taking part in a sweepstakes or receiving a gift).
As a caring customer, you should've just posted your whine in one of the 300 other nerf-nano threads instead of opening yet another one and confusing QA even more.
Hint: no devs will take notice of your whine if you spam it all over the forums, for the simple reason that people dont like to get bullied into decisions.
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Lord WarATron
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.23 06:30:00 -
[54]
Originally by: GreGh Rakrot
im sure u know that, but u can get 18km with TS/DB web after overloading, and they r not that expensive really these days ...
Ahh the faction game. Well, if the opponent packs a overheated faction 18km web, then you pack a 36km overheated faction scrambler.
Does not solve the issue, just transfer it.
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Hastur DragonTooth
coracao ardente
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Posted - 2008.06.23 07:52:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Dr Clay
The irony being that we already know nano setups are undesirable side affects of being able to modify ships. Does anyone seriously believe that some of those ships are meant to move faster than AFs :p
Nurf nano ships and HAC/Recon pilots would become as numerous in 0.0 as those AF pilots you speak of. Other than the Sac, tank setups on these ships are a bucket of fail. The only viable setup is nano.
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Tenuo
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.06.23 08:42:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Hastur DragonTooth
Originally by: Dr Clay
The irony being that we already know nano setups are undesirable side affects of being able to modify ships. Does anyone seriously believe that some of those ships are meant to move faster than AFs :p
Nurf nano ships and HAC/Recon pilots would become as numerous in 0.0 as those AF pilots you speak of. Other than the Sac, tank setups on these ships are a bucket of fail. The only viable setup is nano.
Yes, who tanks to tank 100 mill uninsurable ship when a BC does it better?
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.06.23 08:48:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Tenuo
Originally by: Hastur DragonTooth
Originally by: Dr Clay
The irony being that we already know nano setups are undesirable side affects of being able to modify ships. Does anyone seriously believe that some of those ships are meant to move faster than AFs :p
Nurf nano ships and HAC/Recon pilots would become as numerous in 0.0 as those AF pilots you speak of. Other than the Sac, tank setups on these ships are a bucket of fail. The only viable setup is nano.
Yes, who tanks to tank 100 mill uninsurable ship when a BC does it better?
And right here we have the crux of the problem: HAC'S are defined by superior mobility. BC's hit harder and absorb more punishment than a HAC could ever be expected to, with a cheaper price point and less risk.
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HONORABLEWARRIORSWIFE
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Posted - 2008.06.23 08:52:00 -
[58]
Keep at range will try to keep your ship at the specified range. If he flies away from you, your ship will chase his while attempting to stay within the set range, and vice versa if he is approaching you.
Orbiting tries to circle your target at the distance you specified, if the target is approaching you, you will go the opposite direction until you are within the range you set and then it begins to orbit.
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Tenuo
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.06.23 08:52:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Derek Sigres
Originally by: Tenuo
Originally by: Hastur DragonTooth
Originally by: Dr Clay
The irony being that we already know nano setups are undesirable side affects of being able to modify ships. Does anyone seriously believe that some of those ships are meant to move faster than AFs :p
Nurf nano ships and HAC/Recon pilots would become as numerous in 0.0 as those AF pilots you speak of. Other than the Sac, tank setups on these ships are a bucket of fail. The only viable setup is nano.
Yes, who tanks to tank 100 mill uninsurable ship when a BC does it better?
And right here we have the crux of the problem: HAC'S are defined by superior mobility. BC's hit harder and absorb more punishment than a HAC could ever be expected to, with a cheaper price point and less risk.
yes! Correct! These ships are meant to be able to go either fast or disengage or else they will have little purpose unless you want to use them for sniper hac gangs and in that case there's about 3 that works.
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GreGh Rakrot
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2008.06.23 09:19:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Lord WarATron
Originally by: GreGh Rakrot
im sure u know that, but u can get 18km with TS/DB web after overloading, and they r not that expensive really these days ...
Ahh the faction game. Well, if the opponent packs a overheated faction 18km web, then you pack a 36km overheated faction scrambler.
Does not solve the issue, just transfer it.
LW alot of what u wrote in previous threads was preaty good, but taking stuff out of context isnt,
what i wanted to say is that ppl spend alot to go fast but the person i was originaly replying to apparently doesnt want to do the same to counter them
tbh although i fly nano ships alot i wouldnt be too bothered if they changed how nano-ing works atm, wouldnt be the first time ccp changed smth i fly alot, i would take it as a challenge
why am i replying then ? cos some ppl just whine without thinking, but as i said before there were alot of good arguments for and against nano in previous threads, some of them made by you as well, so keep up the discussion going but dont go so low and pull stuff out of context, it doesnt help in debate thats overheated as it is and we need all the kool headed ppl we can get here
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Angelonico
Series of Tubes
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Posted - 2008.06.23 10:42:00 -
[61]
Cross posting this as there are too many nanowhine th reads out there and not enough calling out their lunacy.
No one has addressed my major points, with one exception: requiring ships of the variety you are trying to kill is a bit much, I will admit. (you shouldn't need to nanocruisers to kill other nanocruisers.)
Requiring a few frigates is, however, quite reasonable.
People arguing that nanoships are cap injected obviously don't fly one. Sacrileges are the exception - it is very hard to carry that many charges in 95% of the others. Curse's now fit med/large batteries for long term survivability.
Lets assume that all nanoships cap inject for the sake of argument. 2 heavy neuts - 1 from 2 battleships or 2 from 1 (and ravens can easily fit 2) wills till shut one down. I'm not arguing against the "scripting" of webs or other tweaks to the speed system, however nanoships as they are are fine.
There is no problem.
Get better FC's if you keep getting murdered to them.
Hit me up in game ^^, I'll give you a few tips.
I also mean nothing personal by disagreeing with you. I simply believe that ships that are expensive to purchase, uninsurable, require months of skill training, and a very VERY good pilot should be good.
Heavy neuts, mimtar recons, interceptors, and webifiers are all viable counters. Have you also noted that none of them do tremendous amounts of dps?
I urge you to stop stubbornly saying "nerf" and honestly think about it.
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arbalesttom
Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.23 11:04:00 -
[62]
The old WCS's where a problem, and got nerfed.
Now nano is a problem, and it will get nerfed (again) verry soon tm.
Also, stop lying there is nothing overpowered about nano.
***Sig***
Originally by: Cpt Branko
That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners.
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Naomi Knight
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Posted - 2008.06.23 11:08:00 -
[63]
nerf nano
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NightmareX
MAFIA
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.23 11:19:00 -
[64]
Originally by: arbalesttom
The old WCS's where a problem, and got nerfed.
Now nano is a problem, and it will get nerfed (again) verry soon tm.
Also, stop lying there is nothing overpowered about nano.
The nanos MIGHT get nerfed for ships that aren't meant to go fast soon, so a Vagabond wont get changed at all anytime soon because the Vagabond is made to fly fast.
Now stop posting that nanos will get nerfed, because they wont.
Nanos are fine.
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Naomi Knight
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Posted - 2008.06.23 11:28:00 -
[65]
The nanos SHOULD get nerfed for ships that aren't meant to go fast soon, so a Vagabond will get changed anytime soon because the Vagabond isnt made to fly this fast.
Now stop posting that nanos wont get nerfed, because they will.
Nanos arent fine.
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Dianeces
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.23 11:33:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Naomi Knight
The nanos SHOULD get nerfed for ships that aren't meant to go fast soon, so a Vagabond will get changed anytime soon because the Vagabond isnt made to fly this fast.
Now stop posting that nanos wont get nerfed, because they will.
Nanos arent fine.
Terrible poster crew checkin' in.
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Miss Rumpelstilzchen
Black Horizon Ltd
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Posted - 2008.06.23 11:33:00 -
[67]
omg .. guy`s ... pleace stop whineing, and play the game as it made for ...
if you can`t counter a nanoship, get a solution to counter it ... if its a Huginn/rapier or what ever.
and pleace stop to making evry week one "nerf nano" threat .. there 1000 in this forum
and for the HAC`s there dont make to be fast and go`s over 4k there are realy expensive (2x poly rigs are a must, and/or snake implants), if u get this nanohac.. you blow up over 240m iskis, and maybe u get the pod too .. you can blow up over 1 bil.
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Matrix Skye
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Posted - 2008.06.23 11:39:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Dianeces
Terrible poster crew checkin' in.
^^ Nanohugger also checkin' in.
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Naomi Knight
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Posted - 2008.06.23 11:46:00 -
[69]
BTW overdrives/nanofibers should be tweeked , there is no reason why these modules dont use any cap/powergrid/cpu ,if ccp would chagne this then nanos couldnt fit for huge shield buffer tanks + etc .
Imho overdrives should increase mwd cap use and/or lower ships powergrid about 10% and maybe need cpu for fitting too.
Any comments are welcome :)
DIE NANOS , you can show how good you can adabt after the nerf ^^
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Xzar Fyrarr
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.06.23 11:54:00 -
[70]
Hi , I too believe that Amarr ships are overpowered against shield tanks and torps are incredibly overpowered at close range.
I also belive that webbers are overpowered too.
nerfnerfnerf
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Miss Rumpelstilzchen
Black Horizon Ltd
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Posted - 2008.06.23 11:56:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Naomi Knight
BTW overdrives/nanofibers should be tweeked , there is no reason why these modules dont use any cap/powergrid/cpu ,if ccp would chagne this then nanos couldnt fit for huge shield buffer tanks + etc .
Imho overdrives should increase mwd cap use and/or lower ships powergrid about 10% and maybe need cpu for fitting too.
Any comments are welcome :)
DIE NANOS , you can show how good you can adabt after the nerf ^^
result--> ceptor`s are dead, vaga--> dead, Minmatar--> dead (most time)
and the more importetn result is .. the playeramount will be shrinking.
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Sunja Pyro
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.23 12:03:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Disclaimer: This is not a whine post but valuable customer feedback (which i give even without taking part in a sweepstakes or receiving a gift).
Hahaha, best joke I read today...
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NightmareX
MAFIA
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.23 12:33:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Matrix Skye
Originally by: Dianeces
Terrible poster crew checkin' in.
^^ Nanohugger also checkin' in.
Cry noobcakes without pvp skills is also checking in
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Diehard Si
UK1 Zero
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.06.23 12:40:00 -
[74]
If/when they nerf nano's they pretty much might as well just remove hacs from the game altogether.
Eve will then just go back to big blobs again and everyone will moan at that instead.
Just leave them as they are or maybe tweak it slightly to reduce max speed a little
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Matrixcvd
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2008.06.23 12:49:00 -
[75]
yup with the advent of FW, we all knew the whiners would come out. we actually had a low amount of nano whines but that is gone
Look, if it goes fast, you must catch it, you can do 4 things
 1. Rapier/Huginn
2. Outspeed him
3. Cap warfare
4. Ewar as all nanoboats have low strengths
what you can't do
1. Take T1 against T2 in equivlenet numbers and expect to win
2. You cant ask how to get your T1 arbitrator to solopwn faction fitted ishtars
3. You cannot undock your failfleet of T1 garbage, drakes caracals, etc, especially without an FC, and expect to win
4. You cannot expect to learn PVP from missioning or ratting. Just cause you can kill a computer doesn't mean you can kill me or any other human player.
5. Just because FW is out and CCP is nudging people to PVP moar doesn't mean you have the skillz, knowledge, skillpoints, luck, and isk to win at PVP.
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People listen up!. There are fights, that no matter how hard you try, you will not win. There will be opponents who will be seemingly invincible, as your size 14 boot is to an ant. This game is not about playing nice, or fair fights, or duels, or whatever honorable nonsense you can think of, its kill or be killed.
Nano has been tweaked over the years, and the current state is perfect for small gang PVP, as a compliment to large fleets, and provides an exciting balance to slugfest type battles. It works exactly how it should, the weak get pwn'd and pwn'd and pwn'd  , till they either become better or they quit, what other game can you think of that offers that type of possibility? its what makes Eve, Eve.
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Tenuo
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.06.23 12:51:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Naomi Knight
BTW overdrives/nanofibers should be tweeked , there is no reason why these modules dont use any cap/powergrid/cpu ,if ccp would chagne this then nanos couldnt fit for huge shield buffer tanks + etc .
Imho overdrives should increase mwd cap use and/or lower ships powergrid about 10% and maybe need cpu for fitting too.
Any comments are welcome :)
DIE NANOS , you can show how good you can adabt after the nerf ^^
You are the worst poster on this forum.
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Tenuo
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.06.23 12:51:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Naomi Knight
BTW overdrives/nanofibers should be tweeked , there is no reason why these modules dont use any cap/powergrid/cpu ,if ccp would chagne this then nanos couldnt fit for huge shield buffer tanks + etc .
Imho overdrives should increase mwd cap use and/or lower ships powergrid about 10% and maybe need cpu for fitting too.
Any comments are welcome :)
DIE NANOS , you can show how good you can adabt after the nerf ^^
You are the worst poster on this forum.
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EVE Online: The Hand-holding Age
The truth about balance is that it doesn't exist. |
NightmareX
MAFIA
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.23 13:12:00 -
[78]
Edited by: NightmareX on 23/06/2008 13:12:23
Originally by: Naomi Knight
BTW overdrives/nanofibers should be tweeked , there is no reason why these modules dont use any cap/powergrid/cpu ,if ccp would chagne this then nanos couldnt fit for huge shield buffer tanks + etc .
Imho overdrives should increase mwd cap use and/or lower ships powergrid about 10% and maybe need cpu for fitting too.
Any comments are welcome :)
DIE NANOS , you can show how good you can adabt after the nerf ^^
I'll just have to hop on the train to and say.
You are the worst poster on this forum.
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Birkinz
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Posted - 2008.06.23 13:16:00 -
[79]
Ive got to say that I am against nerfing nanos. I just cant see why people would fly HACs if they were not fast.
I think the counters are already there but how about a few moar ships with a web bonus. After all there are loads of ships with the tackle bonus now.
For the sake of variety I would recommend different ship classes to have it for each race rather than all the recons.
Leave the Rapier as the only one that cloaks but give the other races a simple counter to train for and dont intorduce any new game breaking mods or completely neutering the HACS.
Personnally I still think a mixed gang with some nanos and a good representation of other ships is superior to a pure nano blob.
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Matrix Skye
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Posted - 2008.06.23 13:23:00 -
[80]
Originally by: NightmareX
Cry noobcakes without pvp skills is also checking in
still bitter eh? not my fault. go kiss les kunk or something.
and i wouldnt be talking about pvp skills with your record, given that it clearly shows you suck.
on topic: it wont matter whether they nerf nanos or not. players are realizing how powerful nanos are anyway and sooner or later every1 will be flying them. then you yourselves will complain on not being able to kill anything. so i say nano the **** out of everything!
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Gawain Hill
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Posted - 2008.06.23 13:34:00 -
[81]
i like the way i counter nano-ships simply loading up T2 pulse lasers with scorch spamming my F-keys after locking them and popping their drones with my drones makes nano ships go bye bye....
now if only they'd stop warping away i'd be happy :(
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Tenuo
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.06.23 13:42:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Matrix Skye
Originally by: NightmareX
Cry noobcakes without pvp skills is also checking in
still bitter eh? not my fault. go kiss les kunk or something.
and i wouldnt be talking about pvp skills with your record, given that it clearly shows you suck.
on topic: it wont matter whether they nerf nanos or not. players are realizing how powerful nanos are anyway and sooner or later every1 will be flying them. then you yourselves will complain on not being able to kill anything. so i say nano the **** out of everything!
If you are gonna be bashing peoples K/D ratios then ******* POST ON YOUR MAIN. If that is your main, I'd shut up, you aren't even on BC.
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EVE Online: The Hand-holding Age
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NightmareX
MAFIA
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.23 13:43:00 -
[83]
Edited by: NightmareX on 23/06/2008 13:43:15
Originally by: Matrix Skye
Originally by: NightmareX
Cry noobcakes without pvp skills is also checking in
still bitter eh? not my fault. go kiss les kunk or something.
and i wouldnt be talking about pvp skills with your record, given that it clearly shows you suck.
on topic: it wont matter whether they nerf nanos or not. players are realizing how powerful nanos are anyway and sooner or later every1 will be flying them. then you yourselves will complain on not being able to kill anything. so i say nano the **** out of everything!
And wat? RLY?, an alt told me i suck LOLOLOLOL. I must really suck then, AMRITE?
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Matrix Skye
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Posted - 2008.06.23 14:03:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Tenuo
Originally by: Matrix Skye
Originally by: NightmareX
Cry noobcakes without pvp skills is also checking in
still bitter eh? not my fault. go kiss les kunk or something.
and i wouldnt be talking about pvp skills with your record, given that it clearly shows you suck.
on topic: it wont matter whether they nerf nanos or not. players are realizing how powerful nanos are anyway and sooner or later every1 will be flying them. then you yourselves will complain on not being able to kill anything. so i say nano the **** out of everything!
If you are gonna be bashing peoples K/D ratios then ******* POST ON YOUR MAIN. If that is your main, I'd shut up, you aren't even on BC.
i'm not gonna call you a ****** and just let you figure it out on your own. re-read the above and check to see whos bashing who on pvp . and yes this is my alt. if it bothers you, you can always quit. cause i'm a tell you right now crying about it wont do you any good.
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Matrix Skye
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Posted - 2008.06.23 14:05:00 -
[85]
Originally by: NightmareX
Edited by: NightmareX on 23/06/2008 13:43:15
Originally by: Matrix Skye
Originally by: NightmareX
Cry noobcakes without pvp skills is also checking in
still bitter eh? not my fault. go kiss les kunk or something.
and i wouldnt be talking about pvp skills with your record, given that it clearly shows you suck.
on topic: it wont matter whether they nerf nanos or not. players are realizing how powerful nanos are anyway and sooner or later every1 will be flying them. then you yourselves will complain on not being able to kill anything. so i say nano the **** out of everything!
And wat? RLY?, an alt told me i suck LOLOLOLOL. I must really suck then, AMRITE?
youve admitted yourself your k/d sucks. so no, its not just "an alt" telling you. remember the other thread?  have you met leskunk yet? you two make a perfect couple .
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NightmareX
MAFIA
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.23 14:11:00 -
[86]
Edited by: NightmareX on 23/06/2008 14:11:22
Originally by: Matrix Skye
Originally by: NightmareX
Edited by: NightmareX on 23/06/2008 13:43:15
Originally by: Matrix Skye
Originally by: NightmareX
Cry noobcakes without pvp skills is also checking in
still bitter eh? not my fault. go kiss les kunk or something.
and i wouldnt be talking about pvp skills with your record, given that it clearly shows you suck.
on topic: it wont matter whether they nerf nanos or not. players are realizing how powerful nanos are anyway and sooner or later every1 will be flying them. then you yourselves will complain on not being able to kill anything. so i say nano the **** out of everything!
And wat? RLY?, an alt told me i suck LOLOLOLOL. I must really suck then, AMRITE?
youve admitted yourself your k/d sucks. so no, its not just "an alt" telling you. remember the other thread? have you met leskunk yet? you two make a perfect couple .
I have told it's not a good ratio, but it's ok. Does that means i have said i sucks?.
Someone have a RL you know. And someone don't have it at all, like you.
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Dianeces
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.23 15:51:00 -
[87]
This thread.
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Bronson Hughes
The. Conspiracy
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Posted - 2008.06.23 16:14:00 -
[88]
The problem with nano-ships isn't with speed tanking per se. It's the fact that no NPCs use them.
Scratching your head yet? Let me explain.
A very large portion of EvE's population learns how to fight by fighting NPCs. They learn to build ships that have huge tanks to survive lots of incoming fire solo while doing enough damage ot kill NPCs quickly. They don't have to worry about hitting cruisers orbiting them at 20km doing 3+ km/s because no NPCs do this. As a result, when these players transition into PvP, they're completely unprepared for how to deal with nano-ships; heavily tanked, high DPS ships generally fall prey to nano-ships pretty easily.
One other issue here is what really constitutes a defeat. A lot of people here don't consider a fight a victory unless their opponent has actually been killed. Nano-ships have a huge advantage in the eyes of these people because their power to disengage and flee from combat essentially denies them victory even though they haven't held the field. Personally, I consider a fight to be a victory if my fleet is the one left holding the field after the fight; in my book running away is still losing, even if it is a 'softer' loss than actually getting blown up, and in this respect nano-ships lose quite often.
As has been already stated, the only thing about nano-ships that really needs to be changed is the relative strength of Nanofiber Interal Structures and Polycarbon Engine Housings; Polycarbs are the only rig that offer a bigger benefit than the corresponding module and changing this will help keep things consistent as well as make heavier ships slightly harder to speed-tank without breaking the mechanic for lighter ships.
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Arvald
Aurora Acclivitous
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.23 16:30:00 -
[89]
my uber and total awesomeness is overpowered, nerf me
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face) |
Bronson Hughes
The. Conspiracy
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Posted - 2008.06.23 16:54:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Arvald
my uber and total awesomeness is overpowered, nerf me
Nanos are fine, but I agree that Arvald needs a HUGE nerf.
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Atsuko Ratu
VSP Corp.
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Posted - 2008.06.23 16:57:00 -
[91]
Learn to fly your BR.
Er, wrong thread
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Sergara Darkthorn
black hearts
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Posted - 2008.06.23 17:16:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Hi, i too think that nano-ships are overpowered.
Either nanos and similar speedmods should be nerfed, or restricted to ships with a certain role (so that not every ship with few lowslots can go 3km/s+) OR there should be anti-nano modules, that actually can counter nanos in game and not only on paper.
Disclaimer: This is not a whine post but valuable customer feedback (which i give even without taking part in a sweepstakes or receiving a gift).
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no they arent.... a single nano ship is not a solo killing machine.. in a pack and in the hands of well skilled people they are lethal...
I assume you are refering to the recent battles in FW, in which case you will find that new players piloting the likes of caracals or kestrels are being torn apart by said gangs.. of course they will
The best analogy would be like pitching Stephen Hawkings into a boxing ring with Jean-Claude Van Damme...
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Xaen
Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.06.23 17:49:00 -
[93]
Originally by: AstroPhobic
1. Minnie Recons
2. Heavy Neutralizers
3. Remote Rep Gangs
4. More nanos!
5. Decent tracking
6. Suicide tacklers
7. Forced low transversal, sniper battleships
8. Staying about 15km from any gang mate - making a big "web"
Dur-de-dur.
Astro
You for got ECM. *coughblackbirdcough*
Makes your suicide tacklers into regular tacklers and you take down a 250M+ ship with 10M tops.
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The Shadow Order
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.23 17:56:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Xaen
Makes your suicide tacklers into regular tacklers and you take down a 250M+ ship with 10M tops.
If they can catch them. Good luck with a t1 ship getting close. So then we need a bunch of t2 ceptors. It starts to get expensive.
Ceptors can point but not effective web without getting popped quickly. So for every nano we want to fight we need a handful of suicidal tacklers, ecm/logistics etc.
After a certain point it makes more sense to put every one of those pilots in nanos of their own. The best way to kill nanos is more nanos.
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NightmareX
MAFIA
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.23 17:59:00 -
[95]
Edited by: NightmareX on 23/06/2008 18:00:53
Originally by: *****zilla
The best way to kill nanos is more nanos.
Only noobs need more nano fitted ships to kill nano fitted ships.
Yes ofc, it's more easy to use nano ships to kill other nano ships, but it's not always both of the sides are in HAC's. So it's still easy to kill HAC's with BS'es and that if your smart.
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Suicidal Office Clerks
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:03:00 -
[96]
In gang situations having 1-2 speed fitted tacklers with webs are able to grab members of a nano gang fairly consistently. If you are flying with a curse pilot, nano's always primary them - so plate him up and get the remote reps on. If you can keep him alive long enough to pin down and kill 4-5 ships, mostly the fight is won and the remaidner either die slowly or run.
and faction mods drop off of those wrecks regularly.
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Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:11:00 -
[97]
Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 23/06/2008 18:11:23
Originally by: NightmareX
Only noobs need more nano fitted ships to kill nano fitted ships.
Oh really? How about you show me one of your non nano gangs go up against a nano gang and kill it. Please do link a killboard link, I'll eat my own hat if you can. It's easy to talk when you don't show anything to back up your hilarious arguments.
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:23:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Oh really? How about you show me one of your non nano gangs go up against a nano gang and kill it.
I'll add that it needs to be a gang that a nano gang won't just laugh at and ignore. 100 remote repping battleships in a ball might be able to kill nanos but the nanos are far more likely to ignore them entirely and pick off easier targets.
And show me a non nano gang that can go after a nano gang. Effectively if you're not flying nanos the decision to fight is entirely up to the nano.
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NightmareX
MAFIA
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:26:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 23/06/2008 18:11:23
Originally by: NightmareX
Only noobs need more nano fitted ships to kill nano fitted ships.
Oh really? How about you show me one of your non nano gangs go up against a nano gang and kill it. Please do link a killboard link, I'll eat my own hat if you can. It's easy to talk when you don't show anything to back up your hilarious arguments.
So if 50 of my friends have done it, do i need a killmail from me to prove it?
And not to think about how many times i have got tackled by 2-3 HAC's and when i have made them to run with my Heavy Neut & ECM Dual 650mm T2 guns fitted Tempest. It's not always we get killmails when things like that happens.
But for me, i don't care if i get a killmail or not, also if they run, then they run, then they have run away from me and i have to some point won. And i'm also happy that i didn't got killed by them.
All that matters for me is F U N. And getting killmails all the time is not my fun.
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:40:00 -
[100]
Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 23/06/2008 18:42:03
Originally by: NightmareX
So if 50 of my friends have done it, do i need a killmail from me to prove it?
And not to think about how many times i have got tackled by 2-3 HAC's and when i have made them to run with my Heavy Neut & ECM Dual 650mm T2 guns fitted Tempest. It's not always we get killmails when things like that happens.
But for me, i don't care if i get a killmail or not, also if they run, then they run, then they have run away from me and i have to some point won. And i'm also happy that i didn't got killed by them.
All that matters for me is F U N. And getting killmails all the time is not my fun.
Uhm how are you not getting killmails? And yeah you do need a killmail to prove it because alot of people talk out of their asses on the forums. You won't be able to show me a fight where you had equal or less numbers and actually managed to KILL a nano gang. Why? Because it doesn't happen. You can go on all day about what you consider fun but you sure didn't do what you claim to have done.
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NightmareX
MAFIA
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.23 19:04:00 -
[101]
Edited by: NightmareX on 23/06/2008 19:08:47
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 23/06/2008 18:42:03
Originally by: NightmareX
So if 50 of my friends have done it, do i need a killmail from me to prove it?
And not to think about how many times i have got tackled by 2-3 HAC's and when i have made them to run with my Heavy Neut & ECM Dual 650mm T2 guns fitted Tempest. It's not always we get killmails when things like that happens.
But for me, i don't care if i get a killmail or not, also if they run, then they run, then they have run away from me and i have to some point won. And i'm also happy that i didn't got killed by them.
All that matters for me is F U N. And getting killmails all the time is not my fun.
Uhm how are you not getting killmails? And yeah you do need a killmail to prove it because alot of people talk out of their asses on the forums. You won't be able to show me a fight where you had equal or less numbers and actually managed to KILL a nano gang. Why? Because it doesn't happen. You can go on all day about what you consider fun but you sure didn't do what you claim to have done.
Maybe you should try out a Heavy Neut Tempest with ECM on sisi and tell me who will win that.
I have tested a Tempest out many times on sisi against many HAC's, and they have soooo many times ended up in my web range. And if they do that, i'll eat them alive in no time. Someone is lucky to get away though. Well my trick is to neut the HAC's when they turn off their MWD. I will first align right to them, and then start the MWD, and then use the neut. You can guess what will happen next.
Yes i know it's sisi, but does that makes my Tempest with the setup i have there + my skills any different from TQ?. No it doesn't, i would do the exact same thing on TQ that i'll do on sisi against HAC's.
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.23 19:19:00 -
[102]
Originally by: NightmareX
Maybe you should try out a Heavy Neut Tempest with ECM on sisi and tell me who will win that.
I have tested a Tempest out many times on sisi against many HAC's, and they have soooo many times ended up in my web range. And if they do that, i'll eat them alive in no time. Someone is lucky to get away though. Well my trick is to neut the HAC's when they turn off their MWD. I will first align right to them, and then start the MWD, and then use the neut. You can guess what will happen next.
Yes i know it's sisi, but does that makes my Tempest with the setup i have there + my skills any different from TQ?. No it doesn't, i would do the exact same thing on TQ that i'll do on sisi against HAC's.
I still would like to see any kind of vague proof of it being possible to KILL an equally sized nano gang with non nano ships. A movie, killboard, anything. You claimed only noobs need nanos to counter nanos, please show something. We all know that is not the case and if you come with claims like that you better back it up with SOMETHING.
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NightmareX
MAFIA
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.23 19:23:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: NightmareX
Maybe you should try out a Heavy Neut Tempest with ECM on sisi and tell me who will win that.
I have tested a Tempest out many times on sisi against many HAC's, and they have soooo many times ended up in my web range. And if they do that, i'll eat them alive in no time. Someone is lucky to get away though. Well my trick is to neut the HAC's when they turn off their MWD. I will first align right to them, and then start the MWD, and then use the neut. You can guess what will happen next.
Yes i know it's sisi, but does that makes my Tempest with the setup i have there + my skills any different from TQ?. No it doesn't, i would do the exact same thing on TQ that i'll do on sisi against HAC's.
I still would like to see any kind of vague proof of it being possible to KILL an equally sized nano gang with non nano ships. A movie, killboard, anything. You claimed only noobs need nanos to counter nanos, please show something. We all know that is not the case and if you come with claims like that you better back it up with SOMETHING.
If you can wait a little, then let me get some frapses from me in a Tempest against some few HAC's, it will ofc be an aranged fight. Just to stop the whining once for all. Just to prove it that it's not that hard.
Many many players have seen me in action to on sisi, so it's not a problem to get someone to confirm that it's easy to kill some few HAC's in a Battleship alone as long you are using your brain.
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.23 19:30:00 -
[104]
Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 23/06/2008 19:30:13
Originally by: NightmareX
If you can wait a little, then let me get some frapses from me in a Tempest against some few HAC's, it will ofc be an aranged fight. Just to stop the whining once for all. Just to prove it that it's not that hard.
Many many players have seen me in action to on sisi, so it's not a problem to get someone to confirm that it's easy to kill some few HAC's in a Battleship alone as long you are using your brain.
No, it has to be on tranq and you know why.
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Tenuo
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.06.23 19:31:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 23/06/2008 19:30:13
Originally by: NightmareX
If you can wait a little, then let me get some frapses from me in a Tempest against some few HAC's, it will ofc be an aranged fight. Just to stop the whining once for all. Just to prove it that it's not that hard.
Many many players have seen me in action to on sisi, so it's not a problem to get someone to confirm that it's easy to kill some few HAC's in a Battleship alone as long you are using your brain.
No, it has to be on tranq and you know why.
Will you be paying for the HACs?
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.23 19:32:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 23/06/2008 19:33:05
Originally by: Tenuo
Will you be paying for the HACs?
No, but what I said still stands true for tranq. You can do all sorts of crazy stuff on sisi because you dont have to think about isk. The same does not apply to tranq. You will not be able to find an equally sized non nano gang killing off a nano gang. END OF STORY. Prove me wrong, you guys seem to imply that this happens all the time or is easily achieved. It is a lie at best.
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Casino Alkasar
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Posted - 2008.06.23 19:36:00 -
[107]
ARg! this realy hurts..
How offen do we have to red this T_T again?
Why not: Bananas are nerfed please nano em.!!
and i dont even fly nano, get a grip.
This not the avarage mmorpg where you cant change your
maxlvl-*setinstone*-class...
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zcinner
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.06.23 19:43:00 -
[108]
get an hugin and stop crying
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Anaalys Fluuterby
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Posted - 2008.06.23 20:01:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
I still would like to see any kind of vague proof of it being possible to KILL an equally sized nano gang with non nano ships. A movie, killboard, anything. You claimed only noobs need nanos to counter nanos, please show something. We all know that is not the case and if you come with claims like that you better back it up with SOMETHING.
Go look through Battleclinic, there are hundreds of examples within a few clicks.
Here is a perfect example:
Geddon vs Vagabond
Everyone *knows* that a battle ship can't kill a nano, right? Especially the "fastest" of them. Sorry, wrong.
If you need more proof, go watch Kil2's Genesis video. Multiple examples of small gang on gang and solo vs small gang in there also.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Not it isn't, people should be encouraged to get out in low sec space, but never forced to do so.
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Tenuo
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.06.23 20:09:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
I still would like to see any kind of vague proof of it being possible to KILL an equally sized nano gang with non nano ships. A movie, killboard, anything. You claimed only noobs need nanos to counter nanos, please show something. We all know that is not the case and if you come with claims like that you better back it up with SOMETHING.
Go look through Battleclinic, there are hundreds of examples within a few clicks.
Here is a perfect example:
Geddon vs Vagabond
Everyone *knows* that a battle ship can't kill a nano, right? Especially the "fastest" of them. Sorry, wrong.
If you need more proof, go watch Kil2's Genesis video. Multiple examples of small gang on gang and solo vs small gang in there also.
Dont bother he'll dismiss it as "Oh well the pilot was an idiot lol".
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NightmareX
MAFIA
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:02:00 -
[111]
So Lyria Skydancer, only because it's sisi doesn't mean that some players doesn't take the PVP there very serious.
Like me, i'll take PVP serious on sisi.
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:19:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Tenuo
Dont bother he'll dismiss it as "Oh well the pilot was an idiot lol".
Excuse me but a vaga pilot that manages to die against a geddon is an idiot. True story. I don't know what kind of standards you have in your corp/alliance but it's quite lol.
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Word
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:35:00 -
[113]
Never ask to nerf your opposition's ship,
ONLY ask to increase the power of your ship/race!
If you think that "nano-ships" are overpowered, then why don't you rig a speed ship if you think they're so great.
You can do the same thing! If you don't think that a speed setup is good enough for you, then it doesn't need to be nerfed, does it now!
Polycarbon engine housings cost about 50 mil each. Oh wait! you have too much isk, you worked too hard , you need to be nerfed!
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Foocurr
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:40:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Hi, i too think that nano-ships are overpowered.
Either nanos and similar speedmods should be nerfed, or restricted to ships with a certain role (so that not every ship with few lowslots can go 3km/s+) OR there should be anti-nano modules, that actually can counter nanos in game and not only on paper.
Disclaimer: This is not a whine post but valuable customer feedback (which i give even without taking part in a sweepstakes or receiving a gift).
Obvious troll as I have seen the OP flying the same ships he is whining about.
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Dianeces
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:54:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Tenuo
Dont bother he'll dismiss it as "Oh well the pilot was an idiot lol".
Excuse me but a vaga pilot that manages to die against a geddon is an idiot. True story. I don't know what kind of standards you have in your corp/alliance but it's quite lol.
*talks about standards*
*is in EDF*
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Tarasa
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:55:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Tenuo
Dont bother he'll dismiss it as "Oh well the pilot was an idiot lol".
Excuse me but a vaga pilot that manages to die against a geddon is an idiot. True story. I don't know what kind of standards you have in your corp/alliance but it's quite lol.
*talks about standards*
*is in EDF*
*Also in IAC LAWL*
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NightmareX
MAFIA
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:03:00 -
[117]
Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Originally by: NightmareX
Like me, i'll take PVP serious on sisi.
that might have something to do with the fact that its actually the only place you pvp at all
When there is something to do on TQ, then i will be alot there, but now i don't have much time to do any serious things on TQ, so i'll just kill some hours on sisi everyday.
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ArmyOfMe
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:07:00 -
[118]
Originally by: NightmareX
When there is something to do on TQ, then i will be alot there, but now i don't have much time to do any serious things on TQ, so i'll just kill some hours on sisi everyday.
im actually pretty sure you could manage to roam around and actually get some kills on tranq if you have the time to spend a few hours on sisi every day.
im sorry, but you and pvp on tranq is just as much a myth as that awsome machariel you once had that could beat everyone but never got undocked
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TheBizzy
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:09:00 -
[119]
Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Originally by: NightmareX
When there is something to do on TQ, then i will be alot there, but now i don't have much time to do any serious things on TQ, so i'll just kill some hours on sisi everyday.
im actually pretty sure you could manage to roam around and actually get some kills on tranq if you have the time to spend a few hours on sisi every day.
im sorry, but you and pvp on tranq is just as much a myth as that awsome machariel you once had that could beat everyone but never got undocked
he'll come with excuses any minute now im pretty sure.. :p
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:31:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Tenuo
Dont bother he'll dismiss it as "Oh well the pilot was an idiot lol".
Excuse me but a vaga pilot that manages to die against a geddon is an idiot. True story. I don't know what kind of standards you have in your corp/alliance but it's quite lol.
*talks about standards*
*is in EDF*
Trolling are we, when we run out of arguments? There is no way in fking hell you can convince anyone in this game that a vaga dying to a geddon is not an idiot. You cant and alliance and corp politics have zero to do with this. You know you lost the argument and now youre trying to troll your way out of it by making this into a political discussion. You fail.
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Dianeces
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:01:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Tenuo
Dont bother he'll dismiss it as "Oh well the pilot was an idiot lol".
Excuse me but a vaga pilot that manages to die against a geddon is an idiot. True story. I don't know what kind of standards you have in your corp/alliance but it's quite lol.
*talks about standards*
*is in EDF*
Trolling are we, when we run out of arguments? There is no way in fking hell you can convince anyone in this game that a vaga dying to a geddon is not an idiot. You cant and alliance and corp politics have zero to do with this. You know you lost the argument and now youre trying to troll your way out of it by making this into a political discussion. You fail.
Nope. I'm trolling because you're so pathetically easy to bait, it's comedic.
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:11:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Dianeces
Nope. I'm trolling because you're so pathetically easy to bait, it's comedic.
So you don't have any arguments and are playing a clown here, yeah if anything, that is comical.
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Zhecao Vai
Ultrapolite Socialites
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:11:00 -
[123]
Edited by: Zhecao Vai on 23/06/2008 23:12:10
Originally by: Dianeces
Nope. I'm trolling because you're so pathetically easy to bait, it's comedic.
Comedic? You sure it's not just funny?
Oh, I see. It's comical.
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Captain Bringdown
Rage Against the Answering Machine
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:15:00 -
[124]
As posted in the other thread, they should just make MWD related to sig radius, interceptors would keep their current speeds, cruisers/hacs will be a bit slower, and by adding shield extenders you further slow the ship (same effect as plates).
Would this work?
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Dianeces
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:40:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Dianeces
Nope. I'm trolling because you're so pathetically easy to bait, it's comedic.
So you don't have any arguments and are playing a clown here, yeah if anything, that is comical.
It's you.
You're the clown.
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Zhecao Vai
Ultrapolite Socialites
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.24 00:07:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Captain Bringdown
As posted in the other thread, they should just make MWD related to sig radius, interceptors would keep their current speeds, cruisers/hacs will be a bit slower, and by adding shield extenders you further slow the ship (same effect as plates).
Would this work?
Not really. Interceptors (or any fast ship) wouldn't be very useful anymore, since a single target painter would slow them down by halfway from long distance.
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.24 00:18:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Dianeces
It's you.
You're the clown.
Cute how your arguments degenerate into: "your face is stupid".
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