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Nitalya
Amarr
Das Reich.
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Posted - 2008.07.02 03:50:00 -
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im very disapointed to see a member of the CSM leading this group of exploiters. you can justify your actions to yourself with this anarchoblah blah. but lets face it you guys couldnt find an alliance to beat so you decided to pick on a corp with prolly 98% noobs in it. i personaly would like to see a movement to get you removed from the CSM for promoting this type of activity that goes against what the game mechanics where inteded for. why dont you guys man up and wardec another alliance that where all there corps can defend themselfs.. or does haveing any form of honor goe against your RP theme...
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.07.02 04:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Ayrianna Na***a
Except you are only shooting one Caldari corp. Dec them ALL then if you have any balls! OMG is it too expensive? Then disband your alliance and dec them as one large corp. SF isn't that big anyway.
Actually they are shooting at least 4 Caldari corps. Or rather they have wardecs against 4 Caldari corps. Here is an idea talk to them ;) .
The "First Caldari Regiment" appears to a prime target because of
Originally by: "Ayrianna Na***a"
a) organize with the NPC Militia in Nourv to engage in a game mechanic that was intended to work as such.
My first suggestion, leave Nourv - there are a large number of systems that go into Black Rise and allow you to attack the Federation.
Second actually take part in the game mechanics, hard for SF to use T2 Cruisers in a T1 Cruiser complex.
To everyone in a militia - welcome to the RP community - SF doesn't like the Empires, any of them (does that include Sansha?), and any attempt to organize in a meaningful way will be attacked by SF, it is what they do. This isn't the first time or the last time they will do it.
The Caldari militia is lucky it has not been set upon by every pirate corporation out there for the lulz. Instead of Feds on the Tama-Nourv gate, pirates.
I agree with Van Cleef that there should be a factional penalty for attacking players attached to said faction. SF should have to live on the fringes a bit.
Now I am disappointed to see 4 Caldari corps on the list and not an equal number of Gallente, Minmatar, and Amarr corporations, esp with the success the Minmatar are seeing. Not very unbiased  but that is another thread.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.07.02 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Nitalya
im very disapointed to see a member of the CSM leading this group of exploiters. you can justify your actions to yourself with this anarchoblah blah. but lets face it you guys couldnt find an alliance to beat so you decided to pick on a corp with prolly 98% noobs in it. i personaly would like to see a movement to get you removed from the CSM for promoting this type of activity that goes against what the game mechanics where inteded for. why dont you guys man up and wardec another alliance that where all there corps can defend themselfs.. or does haveing any form of honor goe against your RP theme...
Um... they do dec alliances from time to time, for example CVA.
See my above post for more info on what SF does, from someone who has never been part of SF and realizes that SF may dec his corporation at any time for being the partner of a megacorporation. Why SF targets the State first, not sure, since I think the previous State was the most in line with SF's vision, probably mistaken on the vision. The more recent "liberation" of Caldari Prime makes it more understandable to me. Might also have to do with there are a **** ton of us.
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Arlenna Molatov
Caldari
The 59th Parallel
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Posted - 2008.07.02 04:37:00 -
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No, what I find disparaging is that a CSM member would let their corp "work around" the rules and reasons that CCP laided down for FW in the first place.
Even IF this wasn't a big problem, you have the major issues of being able to war-dec one corp in a larger entity which CANNOT happen anywhere else in the game. A corp that is part of a Militia is just as a corp is part of an Alliance. As a CSM MEMBER, this sticks out as much as a supernova would in terms of game imbalance...and as a CSM member, lets it happen.
I'm sorry Jade, you have just proven to the whole community that you DO NOT BELONG in the CSM as you do not have the greater good of the Eve player base in your best interest, only your corps. This alone I would think would be a case for expulsion.
I would VERY much like to hear imput from the Dev team themselves about this Issue as it is getting VERY ugly in the whole game with several matters.
***CCP- your paying customer base would like a response from you.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.07.02 04:50:00 -
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Edited by: Dex Nederland on 02/07/2008 04:53:39
Originally by: Arlenna Molatov
No, what I find disparaging is that a CSM member would let their corp "work around" the rules and reasons that CCP laided down for FW in the first place.
Even IF this wasn't a big problem, you have the major issues of being able to war-dec one corp in a larger entity which CANNOT happen anywhere else in the game. A corp that is part of a Militia is just as a corp is part of an Alliance. As a CSM MEMBER, this sticks out as much as a supernova would in terms of game imbalance...and as a CSM member, lets it happen.
I'm sorry Jade, you have just proven to the whole community that you DO NOT BELONG in the CSM as you do not have the greater good of the Eve player base in your best interest, only your corps. This alone I would think would be a case for expulsion.
I would VERY much like to hear imput from the Dev team themselves about this Issue as it is getting VERY ugly in the whole game with several matters.
***CCP- your paying customer base would like a response from you.
Umm.. Jade had no control over the FW mechanics. No one on the CSM has GM powers.
The rules laid down for FW prevent alliances from joining and alliances from wardecing the whole of the faction. Please notice that the "First Caldari Regiment" did not join the State Protectorate, they joined the Caldari State.
A corporation that is part of a faction is not part of an alliance: alliances can claim 0.0 sov, factions can't; faction pilots get attacked by factional navies in opposition territory, alliance members do not (unless they have >-5 with that faction); alliance pilots do not get standing for capturing complexes; alliance pilots do not have access to militia NPC agents; you can't just join an alliance because you want to; Corporations that join a faction, can be wardecced by other corporations,any corporation even those in their own faction.
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Hae t'Redd
Caldari
Ishukone Black Watch
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Posted - 2008.07.02 04:56:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Dex Nederland
My first suggestion, leave Nourv - there are a large number of systems that go into Black Rise and allow you to attack the Federation.
Signed, whole-heartedly. People just keep on feeding the meat grinder that is the Nourv./Tama gate. The problem is that 90% of the FC's keep calling for people to form up there. A few of them need to move their Op Area somewhere freaking else! Players will follow if a couple of the more recognizable FC's gtfo of Nourvukaiken.
Originally by: Dex Nederland
Now I am disappointed to see 4 Caldari corps on the list and not an equal number of Gallente, Minmatar, and Amarr corporations, esp with the success the Minmatar are seeing. Not very unbiased but that is another thread.
I was wondering about that myself. Has SF left off with the "We hate all empires equally!" attitude and become an Anti-Caldari block or are they rotating between empires?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.07.02 05:11:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Arlenna Molatov
No, what I find disparaging is that a CSM member would let their corp "work around" the rules and reasons that CCP laided down for FW in the first place.
Nobody is "working around" rules. We're playing entirely within the rules. Corporations can be wardecced. Thats the essential rule of Eve. I suggest you read the thread.
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Even IF this wasn't a big problem, you have the major issues of being able to war-dec one corp in a larger entity which CANNOT happen anywhere else in the game.
Then I suggest you argue for Alliances being able to wardec the militia or have any wardec against a corp in the militia automatically becoming a wardec for all. Obviously this has balance issues that you may not have considered but it seems to be what you are wanting. What you definitely won't get is a situation where corps joining a militia can become immune to wardecs since that is simply a recipe for wardec avoidance exploit.
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A corp that is part of a Militia is just as a corp is part of an Alliance.
Not true, its a different mechanic as was explained to us by the developers in question in Iceland.
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As a CSM MEMBER, this sticks out as much as a supernova would in terms of game imbalance...and as a CSM member, lets it happen.
As a CSM member elected by an electorate of pvpers its entirely appropriate to be engaging in pvp. Perhaps a little less wringing your hands and casting about for blame and a little more helping these guys out would with actual in-game support and spaceship combat would be appropriate.
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I'm sorry Jade, you have just proven to the whole community that you DO NOT BELONG in the CSM as you do not have the greater good of the Eve player base in your best interest, only your corps. This alone I would think would be a case for expulsion.
I don't believe allowing corporations to avoid wardecs would be in the benefit of the greater eve community - this is a game built on open pvp and dynamic consequence, the "eve" you desire is not the "eve" that I or countless other players enjoy. On this issue I believe you are arguing for a virtual sharding of the live server where you get to make your corporation immune to wardecs by militia affiliation and I believe this is a very bad thing. I am very confident that a large proportion of the eve pvp community feel the same way. If you believe otherwise you're welcome to stand at the next election and prove me wrong.
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I would VERY much like to hear imput from the Dev team themselves about this Issue as it is getting VERY ugly in the whole game with several matters.
The only "ugly" thing here is the occasionally poorly thought out complaint about a game mechanic that is working exactly as intended. Play the game, adapt, learn to fight back. Stop complaining about every little thing that goes against your interests in game. There are players in eve who will kill your character because of the choices you make in game. Live with it.
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Raymon James
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.07.02 05:22:00 -
[98]
eh
the solution is obvious
Disband the corp. let the morons who Wardecked you eat the cost of the wardeck, reform your corp withouth the use of the ingame corp mechanics, (use a public messageboard and if you have it your own voice server for example) and go from their.
Odds are fairly good that the lamers who actualy felt they needed a wardeck to PvP will not step one toe into low sec as it is without hideing behind one anyway, or are one of the Amarr based groups who aparently pulled out of FW recently because they were getting owned all over the place.
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Kovid
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.07.02 05:41:00 -
[99]
Edited by: Kovid on 02/07/2008 05:43:35
Focus on the the OP and not SF. You can do that in another thread if you like. It's silly for you to make accusations of war decing a corp as an exploit. As I said before CCP explained before factional warfare came out that corps would be war deccable. But people are lazy and are more inclined to make false accusations and go to the forums over incorrect assumptions.
Originally by: CCP Dionysus
Edited by: CCP Dionysus on 19/05/2008 18:55:13
Originally by: Elaron
Dionysus, with all due respect, why are you being so evasive on the war dec issue? To force us to try it on SiSi (which is closed for the next few days)?
If you could give us a clear and concise answer to the following questions, we won't have to speculate (including assuming the worst due to incomplete responses) and can start to actually plan:
1) Will it be possible for entities (that is, corporations and alliances) who are not part of the formal Factional Warfare mechanic to declare war on the Militia corporations themselves?
2) Will it be possible for entities (that is, corporations and alliances) who are not part of the formal Factional Warfare mechanic to declare war on player corporations that are members of the Militias?
3) Will it be possible for player corporations who are signed up for the factional Militias to issue war declarations on other player entities, signed up or not?
Also, please bear in mind before posting an obfuscated response that if we know how this is supposed to work, we'll be able to create proper bug reports if our tests on SiSi contradict the given answer.
Hokeydokey.
Simple clear responses.
1) No. They are NPC corps, and like any NPC corps you cannot declare war.
2) Yes. They are still normal player corps. They are not technically joining an alliance, and dont gain the "protection" that being in an alliance gives you. You will have to pay normal wardec costs etc though.
3) Similarly to above - yes.
I was being "evasive" as I was giving opinions.
/me puts on flame suit to prepare for the response from vocal players.
Source
Clearly it's not an exploit. Note militias are not like alliances so solutions tying them to the mechanic don't apply as well. War deccing corps are the same cost as alliances after the recent changes to fees. What matters is incoming and outgoing wars. Also you need alliances to keep numbers of standings over 300, which groups like Star Fraction does by nature of its NRDS ROE.
As Dionysus said, go ahead and wardec out.
As a side note we did war dec a Gallente corp Strix Armaments and Defence. I believe it was left to expire because they are not interested in participating in factional warfare or even much of anything. I won't comment on coincidence of four outgoing caldari militia wars. Now lets stay on op or make another thread complaining about or RP and OOC reasons SF fights since so many seem so interested. Or go to the SF website
Todes and his gang have actually been very good sports. However there is a certain alt might be a disgruntled member not willing to show his face. I applaud First Caldari Regiment for certain aspects of their demeanor, their attitude, and willingness to fight (granted a little less so now.) I hope people realize with CCP response before factional warfare was even release will alieve their concerns and spend their time actually applying themselves to factional warfare instead of banter over incorrect assumptions.
If you believe war decs against militia corps are wrong, don't classify them as exploits and don't compare them as alliance. Take that as a starting point and propose changes there in the features and ideas subforum.
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.07.02 06:36:00 -
[100]
The problem with this issue is that gangs can no longer team up with corps at war. That is the flaw here. CCP needs to implement a voluntary option to either gang up for the war or stay out of war when in gangs. Or make an option where any FC or WC at war can have the war filter down to his fleet.
Simple as that.
As for Jade, I don't care what you do... but don't sit there and act like its not what it is. It's exactly what it is... a way to find easy noob targets with little effort. it has nothing to do with Black Rise territorial claims or targeting leadership figures. that's just a sugar coated exterior around your chocolate griefs in a fake plastic wrapper.
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northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
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Posted - 2008.07.02 07:34:00 -
[101]
EVE is harsh! Just deal with it or leave that simple!
Trinity Corporate Services
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Akara Tanashian
Minmatar
Conceptual Discontinuity
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Posted - 2008.07.02 07:42:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
The problem with this issue is that gangs can no longer team up with corps at war. That is the flaw here. CCP needs to implement a voluntary option to either gang up for the war or stay out of war when in gangs. Or make an option where any FC or WC at war can have the war filter down to his fleet.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't militia corps also have a 'declare war' button?
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Napro
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.02 07:46:00 -
[103]
Originally by: northwesten
EVE is harsh! Just deal with it or leave that simple!
ya srsly nubs! Its not like the game can be changed or anything
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Babel
NEPHILIM Wing
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Posted - 2008.07.02 11:06:00 -
[104]
Ahoy ..
As Arlenna Molotov mentioned, theres is a thread in Game Development forum covering the subject. I put forward some ideas but there have been no further replies as yet.
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Khyle
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.07.02 11:39:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Khyle on 02/07/2008 11:40:08
Beware of that thread mentioned by Babel, while i applaud the creation of such a thread for discussion, Arlenna uses the initial post mostly to spread falsehoods and misinformation.
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Steel Tigeress
Gallente
Steel-Wolfs
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Posted - 2008.07.02 11:48:00 -
[106]
I see someone not getting re-elected if they hold new elections.
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Karn Mithralia
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.07.02 11:56:00 -
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Khyle
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.07.02 11:58:00 -
[108]
Edited by: Khyle on 02/07/2008 12:04:49
Originally by: Steel Tigeress
I see someone not getting re-elected if they hold new elections.
Because they use game mechanics as intended?
/sigh.
Anyway, i just read the whole thread, the first 2 pages are partly nice discussion, Todes original post is even unbiased and objective besides her probably being frustrated, and then apparantly some idiot with his dozens of alts took over shouting exploit for no reason whatsover.
For fear this wont help ill probably leave this thread be anyway, but please stay on topic, being the current and possible future ways to treat wardecs on militia corps, my brain already hurts.
This is a critical issue, without having an easy solution visible. Dragging it down to the level of kindergarten fights is not helping anyone.
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nVChicky
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Posted - 2008.07.02 13:14:00 -
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Hmm, I agree its game mechanics for war decs etc, but logically and theoretically we are saying that say one Armed Force of One country in the world declares war on one Corp within the opposing Corp 's Country the whole of that country's Armed Force won't and can't fight back........
We are avoiding the fact that the militia is made up of different groups who help within the war effort in different ways, Logistics, Mechanics, Special Forces, Intelligence, Communications, Infantry, Armored, Engineers, Medical and Industrial.
Now one group of specialists will form a corporation, often with a few members who can help with different aspects of the war but these people will rely on help of other corporations within the militia.
These seperate Corporations form one force - the militia.
The militia fights for its land and will take out any opposing forces and any rogue groups who wish to try to stop this movement.
Now going back to war declerations, if rogue forces wish to declare war on one corporation within the militia, the militia which this corporation works within should grant that corporation support from the state including other corps within the militia. Because this rogue Corp will be and is stopping the corporation from fighting within the militia and therefore hindering the war effort. This Rogue Corp should be stopped at all costs in order to reach the militias objective.
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Khyle
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.07.02 13:28:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Khyle on 02/07/2008 13:35:59
Bear in mind that the jurisdiction over empire wars and all other hostilities in empire space lies in the hand of CONCORD.
A lot of people argue with "logically" and "in the real word" and from an empire point of view.
RP wise, and also logically, if CONCORD allows single capsuleer alliances/corps to declare war on single corps in a militia, thats its, full stop.
There is nothing the empires can do about it.
The militias are NOT concord registered alliances and thus stand outside the usual procedures concerning empire wars. One could say concerning concord sanctioned empire wars, the militias dont exist.
Concord is the entity governing all such affairs in empire space, as can also be seen from recent events, and the empires are more or less helpless when its operative.
The RP question should not be "What would lie in the interest of the empires", cause that would be open war, which was stopped by CONCORD. The RP question is what does CONCORD want?
And CONCORD (as does CCP) does not seem to want, i would say, entire militias involved in empire wars with whole capsuleer alliances. While they provided a valve for the recent aggressions in the form of allowing the current form of factional warfare, they understandably want to keep it controlled and "small".
The empires probably would of course want to react harsher, but they are not the ones in charge.
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nVChicky
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Posted - 2008.07.02 13:35:00 -
[111]
Okay, so CONCORD in theory is NATO or similar,
I agree that they may want to keep wars fairly small etc but why has the militia been created?!!
This again brings back the earlier post - Militia corps are in the war together yet are being what would appear to be exploited as they cannot truely fight together for the same cause..........
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Drykor
Minmatar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.07.02 13:36:00 -
[112]
I'm all up for militia members being able to attack the wardeccing corp/alliance if it works the other way around too. Allowing the militia to have the initial agression would tip the balance far too much, the wardeccing corp/alliance should be able to engage the entire militia at will as well then.
I have thought of a system that COULD work but it's far from perfect.
When an outside corp/alliance wardecs a corp within the militia, the militia gets the choice whether they want to support their inner corp. THIS IS A ONE TIME CHOICE AND CANNOT BE CHANGED FOR THE DURATION OF THE WAR. If they accept, then the wardeccing corp/alliance becomes vulnerable for the entire militia, but the militia becomes vulnerable for the wardeccing corp/alliance as well.
Now how would this choice be reached (as there are no clear leadership positions within the militia)
I'd say the individual corps all have a vote that the directors can make, for the npc militia there would be an individual member vote and if the majority supports then that counts as a yes from the npc militia.
From all corps and the npc militia at least a 50% support vote needs to be given. Runtime would be 1 day to speed this process up. If corps haven't voted by then, the vote counts as abstain and won't be counted as either yes or no.
This will prevent wardecs from huge alliances like Goonswarm but it allows the militia to support their inner corps against smaller corps.
However, it's not perfectly safe as the initial wardec could come from a small placeholder alliance/corp, and have other players or corps join it later. This can't really be prevented in a meaningful way but then again, Eve isn't ment to be fair like that. And the really big alliances won't work like this which is the main reason for this system, it's not realistic to believe there will ever be a corp bigger than an entire militia that will use this mechanic.
If you really want to be safe, the militia can always vote no, but then they can't support their inner corp. But at least you get the choice.
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Khyle
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.07.02 13:52:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Khyle on 02/07/2008 13:54:54
I agree the real problem is the absence of a real governing body inside the militias. If there was one it would be easy.
If one has a working way to reach such a decision, another way to implement it could be the following:
1) Corp A declares war on Corp B, which is member of Militia C
2) the war is active like normal between A and B, A pays fees and so on
3) at any time the militia can have a vote to declare war on any entity that has an active war with one of its members. The war would be consentual then 24 hours after the vote. To start a vote sufficient support (tricky point) is needed.
4) likewise a vote can be called to end the support of the war. If thats successful the war goes back to point 2 after 24 hours
4) if corp A retracts the war on Corp B, as the war is not consentual anymore and the militia cant pay fees, the war ends.
Advantage would be that the militia is not stuck forever, and doesnt have to immediately decide on support.
E.g. if some corp is declaring on one of its member corps, one can first wait and see if the war has any impact at all, and if it looks like Corp A wants to keep it up longterm, before reacting.
Sufficient support for starting a vote would e.g. be a number of Directors from player corps, while the agressed corp always has to support the issue to reach a vote.
Only one vote per war could be advisable to reduce the "clutter". So youd have to decide if you want to vote early, and maybe not gain enough support, or to endure the war a bit first, and convince other militia members in the meantime.
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nVChicky
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Posted - 2008.07.02 13:54:00 -
[114]
I don't understand why war decs have been allowed to continue, if someone want s to fight someone in the militia why not just join the opposing force..........
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Khyle
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.07.02 13:56:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Khyle on 02/07/2008 14:04:40
Cause player corps are always player corps, no matter if they support a militia or not.
They are, at the core, independant capsuleer entities, and as such entitled to wage war against each other, even in empire if sanctioned by concord.
Removing that mechanism would, apart from removing one feature as old as eve, create other problems as was stated several times in this thread.
E.g. what if i wanted to declare war on two corps, one member of the Amarrian, one member of the Minmatar militia, to remove their research poses from empire?
What you essentially want is, to break basic EVE gameplay and mechanics in order to "fix" one issue of FW. Is that right?
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nVChicky
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Posted - 2008.07.02 14:05:00 -
[116]
But there are other corps that are not in FW that would still be able to be wardec'd, atm the only people who are getting exploited are those in FW.
The only problem I see with stopping it is that corp's who dont wish to be wardec'd join FW - but then they still cannot enter opposing FW space and can be attacked by opposing Militias - was this not the idea of the expansion.........
Oh, yes and those who dont wish to participate in FW feel left out, aww bless, why not just continue to wardec those who also aren't participating in FW and play your own game.......
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northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
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Posted - 2008.07.02 14:09:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Napro
Originally by: northwesten
EVE is harsh! Just deal with it or leave that simple!
ya srsly nubs! Its not like the game can be changed or anything
 nub? and whats your great idea then? Other wise STFU and deal with it! there fine as there are just noobs and lazy F4ú like you just want things easy and a win button!
like i said deal with it or just leave it's THAT SIMPLE!
Soon you get that idea in your head you stop whining. complete moron at its best as I can see.
Trinity Corporate Services
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Khyle
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.07.02 14:09:00 -
[118]
Edited by: Khyle on 02/07/2008 14:10:47
Originally by: nVChicky
But there are other corps that are not in FW that would still be able to be wardec'd, atm the only people who are getting exploited are those in FW.
The only problem I see with stopping it is that corp's who dont wish to be wardec'd join FW - but then they still cannot enter opposing FW space and can be attacked by opposing Militias - was this not the idea of the expansion.........
Oh, yes and those who dont wish to participate in FW feel left out, aww bless, why not just continue to wardec those who also aren't participating in FW and play your own game.......
So what you are asking for, essentially, is for the server to be split/sharded, into one with people who do take part in FW and those who dont?
Great idea 
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nVChicky
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Posted - 2008.07.02 14:11:00 -
[119]
Edited by: nVChicky on 02/07/2008 14:12:27
Obviously your just part of the problem, this isn't about contesting who's bigger better and not in FW, This is about FW gameplay.
Originally by: northwesten
Originally by: Napro
Originally by: northwesten
EVE is harsh! Just deal with it or leave that simple!
ya srsly nubs! Its not like the game can be changed or anything
nub? and whats your great idea then? Other wise STFU and deal with it! there fine as there are just noobs and lazy F4ú like you just want things easy and a win button!
like i said deal with it or just leave it's THAT SIMPLE!
Soon you get that idea in your head you stop whining. complete moron at its best as I can see.
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Khyle
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.07.02 14:15:00 -
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Edited by: Khyle on 02/07/2008 14:15:39
Yep, this is about FW gameplay, and not about breaking regular gameplay, what some seem to be so inclined to do.
Think up solutions that dont break core gameplay and still manage to protect FW from being blobbed by mega-alliances, like e.g. drykor did, and youll have earned my respect.
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