Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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I warped to 70 km distance to a plex gate - it warped me to zero.I was immediately locked down and killed. I petitioned the loss because i was sure i hit warp to 70 km.I could have easily avoided combat with my mwd and warped away. The GM responded with "I can find nothing wrong with the game mechanics".

Doubting myself,the next day I took a shuttle found a another plex gate and tried "warping to" at various distances. They all warped me to zero right on top of the gate.....I escalated the petition and im awaiting the answer.
In the mean time, is this crap just broken for me or has anyone else noticed this?

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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No

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Originally by: Lord Haur

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You always warp into deadspace complexes at 0 on the entry gate. No exceptions.

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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No

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Originally by: Lord Haur

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You always warp into deadspace complexes at 0 on the entry gate. No exceptions.

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Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist

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Originally by: Lord Haur

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You always warp into deadspace complexes at 0 on the entry gate. No exceptions.

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If that's the case, may be wise to make some safespots a little ways from the entrance. Unless that doesn't work either?

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Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist

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Originally by: Lord Haur

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You always warp into deadspace complexes at 0 on the entry gate. No exceptions.

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If that's the case, may be wise to make some safespots a little ways from the entrance. Unless that doesn't work either?

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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its not deadpace...... its not a mission- you are wrong here

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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its not deadpace...... its not a mission- you are wrong here

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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Originally by: Lord Haur

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You always warp into deadspace complexes at 0 on the entry gate. No exceptions.

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its not deadpace...... its not a mission- you are wrong here

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Originally by: Tarminic

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This is not a bug or exploit...you will always warp to 0 on first gate.

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Originally by: Tarminic

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This is not a bug or exploit...you will always warp to 0 on the gates.

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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Any deadspace area with internal warping disabled has this behaviour. I believe ALL FW sites are currently configured this way; changing this would mean that people could ignore the acceleration gates which would in turn mean that you'd be able to enter any site in a capital ship.

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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Originally by: Tarminic

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This is not a bug or exploit...you will always warp to 0 on the gates.

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Just because you have seen this bug repeatedly and have accepted it doesnt change the fact that its a bug.....
The game gives you an option to warp within a distance... this option should be removed if it doesnt work period....If a word is mispeled and you say- oh yea the word is always mispeled- does it make it right?NO THE WORD IS MISSPELLED ...end of story- you lose

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Originally by: Rawr Cristina

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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Originally by: Tarminic

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This is not a bug or exploit...you will always warp to 0 on the gates.

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Just because you have seen this bug repeatedly and have accepted it doesnt change the fact that its a bug.....
The game gives you an option to warp within a distance... this option should be removed if it doesnt work period....If a word is mispeled and you say- oh yea the word is always mispeled- does it make it right?NO THE WORD IS MISSPELLED ...end of story- you lose

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I guess you think it should tell you that when you warp into a bubble, too?

"BUT I SAID WARP TO ZERO AND IT THREW ME 30KM BEHIND THE GATE!!11"

deadspace isn't normal space, therefore you shouldn't assume your ship will do what it tells you there.

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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HERE's another update for all you people that think im wrong or crazy- after talking with other players in the game about this subject- i found a player who as petitioned this exact same issue and he was reimbursed... soooo...... now what?

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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HERE's another update for all you people that think im wrong or crazy- after talking with other players in the game about this subject- i found a player who as petitioned this exact same issue and he was reimbursed... soooo...... now what?

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Originally by: Riho

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warping to a plex or deadspace gate will allways drop you at 0... even if you choose 100... you will be at 0

unless on some missions where you do land away from gate but you land 0 to the beacon

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Originally by: Cyno Sid

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Its that way because it is now and always was. Nothing wrong with it. Anyone who has ran missions, complexes, FW etc will know thats the case. You will certainly know next time eh I don't suspect they will change the mechanics just because you lost your frig.

Check local, use your unboard scanner to scan gate area and if necessary send a quick frig in first to check it out. This is like to armies being at war and one saying its not fair to camp that bridge as we need to cross it. Welcome to FW

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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funny how everyone who disagrees tries to avoid the subject of my thread....

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Originally by: Faife

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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Originally by: Lord Haur

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You always warp into deadspace complexes at 0 on the entry gate. No exceptions.

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its not deadpace...... its not a mission- you are wrong here

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he's right, you're wrong.

it's a deadspace, just one that allows MWDs. therefore you will always warp to 0. this is always how it worked.

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Originally by: Banana Torres

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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funny how everyone who disagrees tries to avoid the subject of my thread....

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That cause we are laughing tooooooo much.

And anyway if we did take you subject seriously we would not be able to respond, because YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DISCUSS EXPLOITS OR POSSIBLE EXPLOITS ON THIS FORUM.

So change your title to something like, "my mommy says that I should get my ship back".

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Originally by: skyk

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Deadspace missions and plexes (with an acceleration gate) do not give a warp-to option (that I've ever seen). Are FW plexes different?

Non-deadspace missions (beacon, not gate) get the warp-to option, but have a bug, where if you warp to 50 say, it *will* warp you to zero. *Unless* you warp to anything, cancel the warp, *then* warp -to -whatever and it will work OK.

damsel in distress does this , I think,

ALway been like it.

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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then fix the in game menu - no where in the game does it say "deadspace" or "deadpace with exceptions" it should say warp to zero- not give you the option to warp to distances- stop avoiding the issue about the menu

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Originally by: Matthew

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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then fix the in game menu - no where in the game does it say "deadspace" or "deadpace with exceptions" it should say warp to zero- not give you the option to warp to distances- stop avoiding the issue about the menu

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The complex you've scanned down is just a point in space to your onboard computer. Until you go there, you don't really know what's going to be there. That's why it still shows the "warp to.." options, because it doesn't know that there is an environment there that will force a 0m warp until it flies into that trap.

The mere fact that you're having to scan these places down suggest that their owners don't want you there. So they're hardly going to put up warning beacons telling you about the deadspace in the area.

If you will insist on scanning down and blindly warping to strange signals your scanner picks up, you should expect to run into inconveniences like this. Personally, I would like to see a wider variety of such unpredictable environments, rather than the same carbon copies all the time. As it is, the behavior is very easy to identify and come to expect, so it's not even as though it's a risk you can't learn and adapt to.

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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Any deadspace area with internal warping disabled has this behaviour. I believe ALL FW sites are currently configured this way; changing this would mean that people could ignore the acceleration gates which would in turn mean that you'd be able to enter any site in a capital ship.

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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AGAIN avoiding the issue- ill try to go slow- the game has an option to select "warp to within" - what ever distance i select it warps to zero- its very simple- the question is is this intentional- is this meant to trick or deceive you.

If there was a random element where it worked sometimes and not others - great. IS IT AN INTENTIONAL PART OF THE GAME??? the answer is no - just because its always been that way or worked that way is not acceptable.. The menu is flawed and should say warp to object. Faction war has only been around 3 weeks - If you arent part of the faction war - dont bother citing examples u know nothing about...

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Originally by: Rarkal

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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Any deadspace area with internal warping disabled has this behaviour. I believe ALL FW sites are currently configured this way; changing this would mean that people could ignore the acceleration gates which would in turn mean that you'd be able to enter any site in a capital ship.

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Why does the UI allow us to select warp to 70 if we can only warp to 0 in these areas?

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Originally by: Rarkal

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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Any deadspace area with internal warping disabled has this behaviour. I believe ALL FW sites are currently configured this way; changing this would mean that people could ignore the acceleration gates which would in turn mean that you'd be able to enter any site in a capital ship.

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Why does the UI allow us to select warp to 70 if we can only warp to 0 in these areas?

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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Originally by: Lord Haur

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You always warp into deadspace complexes at 0 on the entry gate. No exceptions.

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its not deadpace...... its not a mission- you are wrong here

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Originally by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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AGAIN avoiding the issue- ill try to go slow- the game has an option to select "warp to within" - what ever distance i select it warps to zero- its very simple- the question is is this intentional- is this meant to trick or deceive you.

If there was a random element where it worked sometimes and not others - great. IS IT AN INTENTIONAL PART OF THE GAME??? the answer is no - just because its always been that way or worked that way is not acceptable.. The menu is flawed and should say warp to object. Faction war has only been around 3 weeks - If you arent part of the faction war - dont bother citing examples u know nothing about...

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AGAIN reading comprehension ftl - i'll try to go slow - the game always has had an option to select "warp to within" for exploration and cosmic anomaly complexes when you first scan them. Until you actually warp to them, there is no complex spawned, so the "warp to within" will simply generate the complex at your warpin point.

If you CANCEL your warp, then warp to within again, then it will warp you at your desired distance.

Complexes and cosmic anomalies have been around for months, if you haven't ever experienced their behavior, don't bother citing examples you know nothing about...

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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Im not interested in your work around or what the game has always done- THE MENU IS FLAWED !!!!! do you need a screen shot?

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Originally by: Rawr Cristina

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Originally by: Rarkal

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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Any deadspace area with internal warping disabled has this behaviour. I believe ALL FW sites are currently configured this way; changing this would mean that people could ignore the acceleration gates which would in turn mean that you'd be able to enter any site in a capital ship.

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Why does the UI allow us to select warp to 70 if we can only warp to 0 in these areas?

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Because your ship's computer can't detect the prescence of deadspace, thus can't compensate for it.

It's like saying: "Why do I have the option to warp when I'm warped scrambled?"

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Originally by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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Im not interested in your work around or what the game has always done- THE MENU IS FLAWED !!!!! do you need a screen shot?

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I'm not interested in your lack of comprehension or inability to deal with known game mechanics. The behavior is normal and has always been. I don't need a screenshot, i know exactly what it looks like.

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Originally by: Karentaki

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Let me try to explain why your suggestions SUCK!

Say for example you're warping into a probe result for a player in lowsec who happens to be running a mission in deadspace. Now, currently you have no way to know that it IS a mission, so you can't prepare your ship to fight specifically in deadspace (eg afterburner instead of MWD). However with your system you could tell at a glance remotely that the site was deadspace, and fit accordingly.

RESULT:

MOAR DEAD CAREBEARS!!!

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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My comprehension is just fine- i see warp to 70- it doesnt work- a deadspace mission removes this option- btw are you even in any militia?- do you have a clue what im talking about?

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Originally by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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My comprehension is just fine- i see warp to 70- it doesnt work- a deadspace mission removes this option- btw are you even in any militia?- do you have a clue what im talking about?

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The militia complexes work the same as a cosmic anomaly. NOT the same as a deadspace mission. Yes, i know exactly what it is that you are talking about.

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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oh so you arent in the militia - yet you are giving answers to militia questions.... brilliant....And what are you gonna do when they fix it? be mad? Start a thread and say put it back the way it was - i liked it broke and confusing......lol what a tool

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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Originally by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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My comprehension is just fine- i see warp to 70- it doesnt work- a deadspace mission removes this option- btw are you even in any militia?- do you have a clue what im talking about?

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The militia complexes work the same as a cosmic anomaly. NOT the same as a deadspace mission. Yes, i know exactly what it is that you are talking about.

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oh so you arent in the militia - yet you are giving answers to militia questions.... brilliant....And what are you gonna do when they fix it? be mad? Start a thread and say put it back the way it was - i liked it broke and confusing......lol what a tool

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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Originally by: Riho

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warping to a plex or deadspace gate will allways drop you at 0... even if you choose 100... you will be at 0

unless on some missions where you do land away from gate but you land 0 to the beacon

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yes i agree- but the warp to distance should be removed from the in game menu - funny how everyone who disagrees tries to avoid the subject of my thread....

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Originally by: WarlockX

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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Originally by: Riho

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warping to a plex or deadspace gate will allways drop you at 0... even if you choose 100... you will be at 0

unless on some missions where you do land away from gate but you land 0 to the beacon

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yes i agree- but the warp to distance should be removed from the in game menu - funny how everyone who disagrees tries to avoid the subject of my thread....

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no it shouldn't be removed. You hit warp to 70 and that's what your ship tries to do but the space distortions pull you out of warp at the wrong place, you're not suppose to have control! Just like when you hit a warp bubble.

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Originally by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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oh so you arent in the militia - yet you are giving answers to militia questions.... brilliant....And what are you gonna do when they fix it? be mad? Start a thread and say put it back the way it was - i liked it broke and confusing......lol what a tool

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Did I say I was or wasn't in the militia? If it's a bug, bug report it. It work the same as exploration content, not the same as mission content, and the exploration content works as you describe in your post. I've confirmed it both in militia and in exploration sites. Just because you can't understand it, doesn't mean it's broken.

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Originally by: WarlockX

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no it shouldn't be removed. You hit warp to 70 and that's what your ship tries to do but the space distortions pull you out of warp at the wrong place, you're not suppose to have control! Just like when you hit a warp bubble.

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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Last I checked warp to 70 means warp to 70- if the computer cant compensate for the distance it shouldn't give me the option- period- why are you opposed to fixing this?

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Originally by: WarlockX

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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Originally by: Riho

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warping to a plex or deadspace gate will allways drop you at 0... even if you choose 100... you will be at 0

unless on some missions where you do land away from gate but you land 0 to the beacon

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yes i agree- but the warp to distance should be removed from the in game menu - funny how everyone who disagrees tries to avoid the subject of my thread....

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no it shouldn't be removed. You hit warp to 70 and that's what your ship tries to do but the space distortions pull you out of warp at the wrong place, you're not suppose to have control! Just like when you hit a warp bubble.

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Originally by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe

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Edited by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe on 03/07/2008 19:42:25

Originally by: WarlockX

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no it shouldn't be removed. You hit warp to 70 and that's what your ship tries to do but the space distortions pull you out of warp at the wrong place, you're not suppose to have control! Just like when you hit a warp bubble.

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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Last I checked warp to 70 means warp to 70- if the computer cant compensate for the distance it shouldn't give me the option- period- why are you opposed to fixing this?

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HEY I KNOW! WARPING TO WARP BUBBLES IS BROKEN AND AN EXPLOIT BECAUSE MY IN GAME MENU TELLS ME I CAN WARP TO 50 BUT IT PULLS ME IN FIXXX ITTT!!!1one!

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Originally by: WarlockX

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here's a bunch more scenarios that follow the op's logic.

If a cop tries to give me a speeding ticket its not my fault! it's the cars fault , i shouldn't have the option to go faster if the speed limit is 60!

if someone's ship has 75 exp resist and 0 em resist my ship should automatically shoot EM! if it doesn't i can petition for reimbursement because my ship should not give me the option to shoot explosive!

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Originally by: WarlockX

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op's logic.

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Originally by: Straight Chillen

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Edited by: Straight Chillen on 03/07/2008 19:31:30

Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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Originally by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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My comprehension is just fine- i see warp to 70- it doesnt work- a deadspace mission removes this option- btw are you even in any militia?- do you have a clue what im talking about?

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The militia complexes work the same as a cosmic anomaly. NOT the same as a deadspace mission. Yes, i know exactly what it is that you are talking about.

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oh so you arent in the militia - yet you are giving answers to militia questions.... brilliant....And what are you gonna do when they fix it? be mad? Start a thread and say put it back the way it was - i liked it broke and confusing......lol what a tool

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To Fix.

fix Pronunciation[fiks] verb, fixed or fixt, fix+ing, noun ûverb (used with object)

1. to repair; mend.
2. to put in order or in good condition; adjust or arrrange: She fixed her hair in a bun.
3. to make fast, firm, or stable.
4. to place definitely and more or less permanently: to fix a circus poster to a wall.
5. to settle definitely; determine: to fix a price.


See number 1, It implies that something is broken. However there is nothing broken, and as our lovely dev was so nice to drop in and clarify, its all working as intended.

So what are you gonna do when they dont fix it? Start another thread *****ing about how they should change it.

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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Originally by: WarlockX

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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Originally by: Riho

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warping to a plex or deadspace gate will allways drop you at 0... even if you choose 100... you will be at 0

unless on some missions where you do land away from gate but you land 0 to the beacon

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yes i agree- but the warp to distance should be removed from the in game menu - funny how everyone who disagrees tries to avoid the subject of my thread....

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no it shouldn't be removed. You hit warp to 70 and that's what your ship tries to do but the space distortions pull you out of warp at the wrong place, you're not suppose to have control! Just like when you hit a warp bubble.

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So you are saying its part of the game...its an intentional warp bubble around the gate..What do i have to do to get warp to 70 to work? anything? if its there to mislead you on purpose fine- if theres something i can equip/ buy / or skill up to make it work great... but its something that can and will never work- its needs to be fixed.... your reason doesnt stand up to logic sorry- it never can work - why have it

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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So you are saying its part of the game...its an intentional warp bubble around the gate..What do i have to do to get warp to 70 to work? anything? if its there to mislead you on purpose fine- if theres something i can equip/ buy / or skill up to make it work great... but its something that can and will never work- its needs to be fixed.... your reason doesnt stand up to logic sorry- it never can work - why have it

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Originally by: Christina Rawr

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Because your ship's computer can't detect the prescence of deadspace, thus can't compensate for it.

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Originally by: Karentaki

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Say for example you're warping into a probe result for a player in lowsec who happens to be running a mission in deadspace. Now, currently you have no way to know that it IS a mission, so you can't prepare your ship to fight specifically in deadspace (eg afterburner instead of MWD). However with your system you could tell at a glance remotely that the site was deadspace, and fit accordingly.

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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Any deadspace area with internal warping disabled has this behaviour. I believe ALL FW sites are currently configured this way; changing this would mean that people could ignore the acceleration gates which would in turn mean that you'd be able to enter any site in a capital ship.

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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lol what a tool

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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get a clue/ get a life/

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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you noob

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Originally by: Billy Sastard

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It is really interesting how a dev posts on the first page explaning why it works like this and how it is not a bug/exploit and is working as intended, yet the OP seems to have totally ignored his post and keeps railing at the injustice of it all.

Anyone else smell troll in this thread?

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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... your reason doesnt stand up to logic sorry- it never can work - why have it

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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If you can stop brown nosing the dev for a moment and read what he said- he clearly avoided the issue-
I'm not looking to change the characteristics of the gate....
The menu shouldnt give me the option to warp to 70 if the ship can NEVER accomplish this task - therefore it might as well say "you win 1 billion isk click here"

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Originally by: WarlockX

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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Originally by: WarlockX

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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Originally by: Riho

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warping to a plex or deadspace gate will allways drop you at 0... even if you choose 100... you will be at 0

unless on some missions where you do land away from gate but you land 0 to the beacon

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yes i agree- but the warp to distance should be removed from the in game menu - funny how everyone who disagrees tries to avoid the subject of my thread....

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no it shouldn't be removed. You hit warp to 70 and that's what your ship tries to do but the space distortions pull you out of warp at the wrong place, you're not suppose to have control! Just like when you hit a warp bubble.

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So you are saying its part of the game...its an intentional warp bubble around the gate..What do i have to do to get warp to 70 to work? anything? if its there to mislead you on purpose fine- if theres something i can equip/ buy / or skill up to make it work great... but its something that can and will never work- its needs to be fixed.... your reason doesnt stand up to logic sorry- it never can work - why have it

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Yes it's part of the game.
Yes it's intentional.
The whole place is a warp bubble distortion that's what the acceleration gate is for because normal warp does not work properly in that space!
No it shouldn't be fixed, warp is not suppose to work in dead space, if it did then you could just ignore the gate and warp in capital ships past it.

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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Originally by: WarlockX

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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Originally by: WarlockX

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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Originally by: Riho

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warping to a plex or deadspace gate will allways drop you at 0... even if you choose 100... you will be at 0

unless on some missions where you do land away from gate but you land 0 to the beacon

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yes i agree- but the warp to distance should be removed from the in game menu - funny how everyone who disagrees tries to avoid the subject of my thread....

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no it shouldn't be removed. You hit warp to 70 and that's what your ship tries to do but the space distortions pull you out of warp at the wrong place, you're not suppose to have control! Just like when you hit a warp bubble.

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So you are saying its part of the game...its an intentional warp bubble around the gate..What do i have to do to get warp to 70 to work? anything? if its there to mislead you on purpose fine- if theres something i can equip/ buy / or skill up to make it work great... but its something that can and will never work- its needs to be fixed.... your reason doesnt stand up to logic sorry- it never can work - why have it

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Yes it's part of the game.
Yes it's intentional.
The whole place is a warp bubble distortion that's what the acceleration gate is for because normal warp does not work properly in that space!
No it shouldn't be fixed, warp is not suppose to work in dead space, if it did then you could just ignore the gate and warp in capital ships past it.

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wrong its not deadspace - MWDs work in it... again again since u bother to respond without reading through the post ill repeat myself- this is so fun shooting down flamer wannabees like yourself:)
THE SHIP CAN NEVER WARP TO 70 to the gate - why is that option there?- they remove it for "deadspace" missions why not a gate where pvp in encouraged.....
I dont want to change the characteristics of the gate- I want the menu to work or have the potential to work- thats all... you guys all agree its not supposed to work- great- remove the warp to 70 option and make it warp to object

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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Any deadspace area with internal warping disabled has this behaviour. I believe ALL FW sites are currently configured this way; changing this would mean that people could ignore the acceleration gates which would in turn mean that you'd be able to enter any site in a capital ship.

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Originally by: Straight Chillen

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Mabye because it doesnt matter to anyone else? Mabye because anyone else who actually has a clue, wouldve jumped THROUGH the gate, instead of sitting on it and *****ing that your on the gate not 70km away.

Which TBH given the level of reading comprehension you have shown here, wouldnt have done you any good, and this thread would be about having the warp to: options while your warp scrambled. They should fix that too right?


P.S. keep posting this is really helping me burn the clock during the last hour of work

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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I'm talking about 2 options i have .. "warp to object" "warp to within"... why do we have "warp to within" as an option if it can NEVER WORK... THEY REMOVE IT FOR DEADSPACE MISSIONS- why not in this case too...
If the client always gave this option in every scenario then i wouldnt have an argument- Run a deadspace mission and take a screen shot of where it says warp to within... it doesnt

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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wrong its not deadspace - MWDs work in it

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Originally by: Dev Blog

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These sites are deadspace-enabled, but specially configured to allow MWDs û this means you don't have to compromise your favorite PvP fit in order to be able to move around inside.

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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I'm talking about 2 options i have .. "warp to object" "warp to within"... why do we have "warp to within" as an option if it can NEVER WORK... THEY REMOVE IT FOR DEADSPACE MISSIONS- why not in this case too...
If the client always gave this option in every scenario then i wouldnt have an argument- Run a deadspace mission and take a screen shot of where it says warp to within...

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Originally by: Straight Chillen

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I think your main issue is you are confusing dead space faction warfare sites, as deadspace missions. They are not the same

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Originally by: Majon Tremkor

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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wrong its not deadspace - MWDs work in it

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Actually it is deadspace.

Originally by: Dev Blog

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These sites are deadspace-enabled, but specially configured to allow MWDs û this means you don't have to compromise your favorite PvP fit in order to be able to move around inside.

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It has been explained to you officially and unofficially. It is working as intended. It is NOT broken, it's just not working the way you want.

Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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I'm talking about 2 options i have .. "warp to object" "warp to within"... why do we have "warp to within" as an option if it can NEVER WORK... THEY REMOVE IT FOR DEADSPACE MISSIONS- why not in this case too...
If the client always gave this option in every scenario then i wouldnt have an argument- Run a deadspace mission and take a screen shot of where it says warp to within...

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There you go getting all confused again.

If you are inside deadspace you cannot warp to other objects within the deadspace area. If you are outside of the deadspace area, you will always warp to the beacon/gate, even if you have a BM farther in or you 'warp to X'.

It's not broken, it's not a bug, it's the way it works.

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Originally by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe

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Edited by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe on 03/07/2008 20:40:19

Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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I'm talking about 2 options i have .. "warp to object" "warp to within"... why do we have "warp to within" as an option if it can NEVER WORK... THEY REMOVE IT FOR DEADSPACE MISSIONS- why not in this case too...
If the client always gave this option in every scenario then i wouldnt have an argument- Run a deadspace mission and take a screen shot of where it says warp to within... it doesnt

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DEADSPACE MISSIONS ARE NOT DEADSPACE COMPLEXES. DEADSPACE MISSIONS ARE NOT EXPLORATION COMPLEXES. EXPLORATION AND DEADSPACE COMPLEXES ARE NOT MISSIONS.

Repeat the above until you understand that you can have deadspace outside of a mission. Until you understand how deadspace, exploration and anomaly complexes work, you will never understand how FW complexes work.

There are three type of dedspace environments.

1) DED Space Misisons - Works as you describe above

2) DED Space Exploration Complexes - Works similar to missions, but the warp-to options do exist, even if they dump you at the gate

3) Cosmic Anomalies - Work the same as exploration complexes, with the exeption that MWDs are enabled. Cosmic Anomalies AND FW Complexes are like this.

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Originally by: Bish Ounen

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Edited by: Bish Ounen on 03/07/2008 18:47:46
PEOPLE! This is NOT hard to get around!

IF there is a "Warp to <distance>" menu option available do the following:

1) Select ANY "warp to" distance. it doesn't matter which.

2) IMMEDIATELY CANCEL YOUR WARP.

3) Select the Distance you wish to warp in at and warp.

Following these three simple steps will allow you to warp to the distance you desire to the warp beacon/accel gate. This has worked for YEARS in Missions, and should work just fine for FW missions as well.

If this works for you and you wish to show your appreciation, send ISK in-game to Bish Ounen.

You are Welcome.

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Originally by: Ron Bacardi

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1) They don't want to fix the menu (the problem you're *****ing about right?) because it's a waste of resources to fix a minor menu issue that the majority of the community hasn't had a problem with. It's been explained how to get around it, quit being a twit and STFU.

2) On the other hand, from a role playing stand point; you're onboard computer doesnt know what to make of a cosmic anomaly. It thinks it has the option of a "Warp to Object" or "Warp to Within". The computer isn't sophisticated to know that the anomaly will suck you in to 0 on the gate regardless of what you tell you're computer to do.

There you go. Please go away.

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Originally by: Bish Ounen

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Edited by: Bish Ounen on 03/07/2008 18:47:46
PEOPLE! This is NOT hard to get around!

IF there is a "Warp to <distance>" menu option available do the following:

1) Select ANY "warp to" distance. it doesn't matter which.

2) IMMEDIATELY CANCEL YOUR WARP.

3) Select the Distance you wish to warp in at and warp.

Following these three simple steps will allow you to warp to the distance you desire to the warp beacon/accel gate. This has worked for YEARS in Missions, and should work just fine for FW missions as well.

If this works for you and you wish to show your appreciation, send ISK in-game to Bish Ounen.

You are Welcome.

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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dude you've been alrdy shot peices - give it up- im talking about the menu not working- or havent u been reading

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Originally by: Bish Ounen

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Originally by: Bish Ounen

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Edited by: Bish Ounen on 03/07/2008 18:47:46
PEOPLE! This is NOT hard to get around!

IF there is a "Warp to <distance>" menu option available do the following:

1) Select ANY "warp to" distance. it doesn't matter which.

2) IMMEDIATELY CANCEL YOUR WARP.

3) Select the Distance you wish to warp in at and warp.

Following these three simple steps will allow you to warp to the distance you desire to the warp beacon/accel gate. This has worked for YEARS in Missions, and should work just fine for FW missions as well.

If this works for you and you wish to show your appreciation, send ISK in-game to Bish Ounen.

You are Welcome.

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Op, Read my post I quoted here. THIS will fix your problem, your thread is now complete as you have your fix.

Have a nice day, and feel free to send me ISK.

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Originally by: JanoMark

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omg please whine more Manifesto, deal with the fact you lost your ship, your the only one who is whining about it, and we've all known about this already.

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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how many other menu options can NEVER work other than the "warp to within" in the scan menu? hmm?... how many?

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Originally by: JanoMark

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omg please whine more Manifesto, deal with the fact you lost your ship, your the only one who is whining about it, and we've all known about this already.

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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Originally by: JanoMark

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omg please whine more Manifesto, deal with the fact you lost your ship, your the only one who is whining about it, and we've all known about this already.

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oh btw smoking blunts is a blatant violation of the naming policy- if i were u - id keep a low profile and keep the useless flaming down

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Originally by: Willow Whisp

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Edited by: Willow Whisp on 03/07/2008 21:28:00

Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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how many other menu options can NEVER work other than the "warp to within" in the scan menu? hmm?... how many?

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The "warp to within" in the scan menu works for probes. It also works for some complexes, provided they have already been spawned. Warping to a scanner result spawns the complex at your warp-in point, therefore, if you cancel your warp, and you warp to the beacon at distance AFTER the complex spawns, and the complex allows for it, you can warp to at distance.

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Originally by: JanoMark

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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Originally by: JanoMark

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omg please whine more Manifesto, deal with the fact you lost your ship, your the only one who is whining about it, and we've all known about this already.

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oh btw smoking blunts is a blatant violation of the naming policy- if i were u - id keep a low profile and keep the useless flaming down

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lol wow, just wow. roflmao takes the cake right there. lmao!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally by: JanoMark

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Nice double post. ;D

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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Edited by: Malicious Manifesto on 03/07/2008 21:49:47

Originally by: JanoMark

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Nice double post. ;D

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cool- unlucky for you my name was considered obscene less than a week ago - so im very familiar with the EULA's naming policy...Feel free to look up my previous thread- sad its a cool name.. but as u can tell i got a serious chip on my shoulder, and u just walked across a land mine... go ahead and start thinking of a new name

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Originally by: JanoMark

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Edited by: JanoMark on 03/07/2008 21:55:34

Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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Edited by: Malicious Manifesto on 03/07/2008 21:49:47

Originally by: JanoMark

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Nice double post. ;D

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cool- unlucky for you my name was considered obscene less than a week ago - so im very familiar with the EULA's naming policy...Feel free to look up my previous thread- sad its a cool name.. but as u can tell i got a serious chip on my shoulder, and u just walked across a land mine... go ahead and start thinking of a new name

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The whiner lost a frigate and he's out to get everyone!!!! zomg!!!

/me runs in panic

Go threaten someone else whiner.

Edit: Just deal with the fact that everyone has known about not being able to warp to anything but 0 to accel gates and you simply forgot and now your on some kind of mission to have it changed to you wont do it again for not paying attention.

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Originally by: Estel Arador

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Awesome thread - answer to the 'problem' in post 4, confirmation by a Dev in post 16 and here we are on page 4

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Originally by: WarlockX

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But the menu DOES work. It's the same menu you use to warp to 70km on a planet, or star gate, ect.

Have you ever coded anything in your life? you want to create an exception to the way the menu works for every time you can't actually do it even tho it works perfectly fine all other times. That creates bugs, you're ****ing me off because you're suggestion has the potential to create bugs in the game and the only reason you want it changed is because you're not smart enough to accept that's how it suppose to work. EXCEPTIONS TO CODE LOGIC CREATES BUGS!

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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haha cute- doesnt change the fact im right

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Originally by: Estel Arador

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Awesome thread - answer to the 'problem' in post 4, confirmation by a Dev in post 16 and here we are on page 4

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Originally by: northwesten

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The GM is wrong because it does happen! Always warped to 0km even tho i would ask at a different distances

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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Which brings up a very good question...
WHY???

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Originally by: Willow Whisp

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Warping to a scanner result spawns the complex at your warp-in point, therefore, if you cancel your warp, and you warp to the beacon at distance AFTER the complex spawns, and the complex allows for it, you can warp to at distance.

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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Last I checked warp to 70 means warp to 70- if the computer cant compensate for the distance it shouldn't give me the option- period- why are you opposed to fixing this?
The alt you are answering threads with isnt in the militia and my guess is your main isnt either.. get a clue/ get a life/ and stop answering threads u have no experience in:)

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Originally by: Ulstan

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This is normal behavior for dead space gates, as any explorer would know - you can't 'warp to x' for deadspaces - if you hit the deadspace you get pulled to 0 at the entrance.

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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BTW...Has anyone tried Bish Ounen's instructions.... Do they work? Because of his diligence and the lack of people faming him - lets assume that they do work.. Which brings up a very good question...

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Originally by: AltyNr1

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op = moron just fyi

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Originally by: MrChook

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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BTW...Has anyone tried Bish Ounen's instructions.... Do they work? Because of his diligence and the lack of people faming him - lets assume that they do work.. Which brings up a very good question...

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No, ignore him as he's an idiot that is just repeating something that he thinks is right when in fact he's never tested it.

This is the first thing I myself tried when I noticed that you always WTZ on these gates no matter what. It is something that does work with ungated exploration sites and some missions. I believe in those instances the sites is not spawned until you activate warp to the site. If you allow the frist warp to complete you always end up in the middle of the site (an often deep in shit ). The trick with these works as Bish said, you warp, cancel, then warp at range.

This does NOT work with the FW plexes.

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Originally by: Tyrantus

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Eh. Just got in I'm drunk and can't be arsed to read the whole thing.

Has anyone considered the advantages to having any and all warping to plex gates at 0km every single time?

FFS think about it people. THINK!

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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Edited by: Malicious Manifesto on 04/07/2008 04:38:31

Originally by: Tyrantus

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Eh. Just got in I'm drunk and can't be arsed to read the whole thing.

Has anyone considered the advantages to having any and all warping to plex gates at 0km every single time?

FFS think about it people. THINK!

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oh yea...thats exactly why this needs to be established - i'm alrdy planning on stationing a few battleships in front of a cruiser or frigate plex gates - its amazing how some of these trolls who are not even in the faction war - persist on making idiotic comparisons- They have no clue about the trafic involved or what the hell they are talking about...
- the point is entire thread is the "warp to within" option is misleading,flawed and shouldnt even be there...there is no logical reason to have a menu option that can never work for a plex gate

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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Any deadspace area with internal warping disabled has this behaviour. I believe ALL FW sites are currently configured this way; changing this would mean that people could ignore the acceleration gates which would in turn mean that you'd be able to enter any site in a capital ship.

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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Any deadspace area with internal warping disabled has this behaviour. I believe ALL FW sites are currently configured this way; changing this would mean that people could ignore the acceleration gates which would in turn mean that you'd be able to enter any site in a capital ship.

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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wMy point is remove the "warp to within" option if its never supposed to work ....

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Originally by: Siddy

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what if i want to travel thre using nanohel and spending 1000 minutes traveling 1000m/s ?

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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Second, a gentile is a non jewish person

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Originally by: Matalino

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Originally by: Siddy

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what if i want to travel thre using nanohel and spending 1000 minutes traveling 1000m/s ?

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If you can get your heading accurate enough. If you are off by only 2 degrees, you will never see your destination grid.

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Originally by: Matalino

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Originally by: Siddy

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what if i want to travel thre using nanohel and spending 1000 minutes traveling 1000m/s ?

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If you can get your heading accurate enough. If you are off by only 2 degrees, you will never see your destination grid.

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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Originally by: Riho

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warping to a plex or deadspace gate will allways drop you at 0... even if you choose 100... you will be at 0

unless on some missions where you do land away from gate but you land 0 to the beacon

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yes i agree- but the warp to distance should be removed from the in game menu - funny how everyone who disagrees tries to avoid the subject of my thread....

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Originally by: Matalino

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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wMy point is remove the "warp to within" option if its never supposed to work ....

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Yet there is a perfectly good reason why that options remains.

To remove the options to warp at range, every time you pull up the system context menu to select a destination, the client would need to have the server verify if any possible destinations were located in deadspace.

This would result in lag each time you open that menu, regardless of what option you intend to select.

Instead increasing server load and decreasing client responsiveness, we as players are left to make an educated guess if our destination is located inside a deadspace pocket or not.

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Originally by: Aryllia Raine

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this thread is so full of win I think it gave me cancer.

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Originally by: Napro

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I know one thing, if I told my ship to do something and it didn't do it, i'd expect reimbursement for it. In fact, that is the ONLY reason why something would be reimbursed in this game.

OP needs to take the whine down a notch (it's not like the situation is completely unavoidable with the warp,cancel,warp-to technique posted previously)

But CCP owes this guy a ship, frigate or battleship, dont matter. It should be reimbursed

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Originally by: Tarminic

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No. NOOO! Back to the grave with you! *dispels*

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Originally by: astowv

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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Originally by: Riho

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warping to a plex or deadspace gate will allways drop you at 0... even if you choose 100... you will be at 0

unless on some missions where you do land away from gate but you land 0 to the beacon

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yes i agree- but the warp to distance should be removed from the in game menu - funny how everyone who disagrees tries to avoid the subject of my thread....

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When you are driving down the highway doing 90mph, your steering wheel does not really dissapear whenever there are no turns to be taken, does it ?

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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No but if i turn the wheel and the car went straight- id consider it broken...just like selecting "warp to within"

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Quote:

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If the line between `warp start` point and the object you warped to (e.g. a gate) intersects a warp bubble, your ship will be sucked in the bubble no matter how many kms away you warped to.

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Originally by: Tzigan Jegos

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Edited by: Tzigan Jegos on 19/07/2008 14:34:09

Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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No but if i turn the wheel and the car went straight- id consider it broken...just like selecting "warp to within"

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If the line between `warp start` point and the object you warped to (e.g. a gate) intersects a warp bubble, your ship will be sucked in the bubble no matter how many kms away you warped to.

This isn't broken at all! If you warp to 100km your ship warps to 100km.

Then the deadspace phenomenon sucks your ship to the gate, just like a warp bubble. Your broken car/ship analogy stinks.

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Originally by: Cecil Montague

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They should change that warning on entering low sec to:

"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."

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Originally by: banner

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Quote:

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If the line between `warp start` point and the object you warped to (e.g. a gate) intersects a warp bubble, your ship will be sucked in the bubble no matter how many kms away you warped to.

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this ftw
and im not flaming just trying to explain how it works

there is nothing wrong with the ships computers or game mechanics
when u select "warp to specific distance" you are actually asking the ship to warp you to a specific distance from the complex, cosmic anomolie (spelling?) etc. but during the warp to the complex....... the ship is trapped by a warp disruption bubble that puts you on the entrance gate instead of inside the complex.
you cannot warp to distance from the gate because it is hidden from your ships scanner by the distortion of the deadspace complex
thus this forces all ships to use the gate and stops oversized ships from entering.

by the way, i have experience in exploration, missions, complexes and fw before you try and tell me i know nothing

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Originally by: Siddy

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NOW CCP SAYS ITS ELEAGAL TO USE NORMAN SPACE DRIVES TO TRAVEL!

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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Its not exactly deadspace... mwds work... and if the ship gets "sucked" I'd like to see it- would you?:)

the simple fact is the menu option was overlooked(warp to object is fine- warp to within is broke).... warp to within needs to be removed... it can NEVER WORK for a plex gate

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Originally by: EvilSpork

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Originally by: Malicious Manifesto

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Its not exactly deadspace... mwds work... and if the ship gets "sucked" I'd like to see it- would you?:)

the simple fact is the menu option was overlooked(warp to object is fine- warp to within is broke).... warp to within needs to be removed... it can NEVER WORK for a plex gate

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it IS deadspace as stated by CCP. MWDs work because they wanted them to. its still deadspace, its just a slightly different flavor of it.
the menu is fine as well, when you warp to a deadspace, its just the same as warping to a gate with a bubble.
if you try to warp to a person in your fleet that is in a mission, you end up at the first gate, no matter what distance you warped to them at. the same mechanic as at play here. quite whining about losing a ship, you learned a good lesson here.

in short:
1. learn how deadspace works. (yes FW sites are deadspace even though MWDs work, as stated by CCP)
2. stop whining about dying.
3. the menus and came mechanics all work fine.
4. stop whining about dying.

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