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Siberys	Posted - 2008.07.06 00:37:00 - [1] Edited by: Siberys on 06/07/2008 00:37:49 Namely, how do I get a girl to like me? I'm going into high school after this summer, so I would not be going on, say, a one night stand (I have a douche of a friend who I figure will do that, then never get laid again) So, in other words, how would I start a relationship? About the girl, here is what I know: She does not have a boyfriend ATM She lives a block from my house She didn't seem to have any other guys particularly into her during the school year. Any tips? And real advice P-L-E-A-S-E...
Fabien Aldric Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.06 00:39:00 - [2] stick it in her ***er, pics or it didn't happen, full force, raep, etc THE STATE PREVAILS!*
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.07.06 01:16:00 - [3] Leaving the religious **'s comment out, just go talk to her. Yeah it's that simple. Go up to her, strike up a conversation, maybe invite her to hang out and lunch maybe and then just go from there. Each person is different so each situation will be different. Oh, and make sure her father isn't a gun toting psychopath. Originally by:** El'tar I WOULD WARRIOR FOR WOMAN BELONG TO ME!
Mr Friendly	Posted - 2008.07.06 01:24:00 - [4] oh, and don't ask for dating advice on a male-dominated gaming forum... that's just dense. GL.
Siberys	Posted - 2008.07.06 01:34:00 - [5] Originally by: Mr Friendly oh, and don't ask for dating advice on a male-dominated gaming forum... that's just dense. GL. Hey, which better, a female dominated one or a male dominated one? There are like no 1/1 ratios in the forum world...
Remata Lakira Terran Coalition	Posted - 2008.07.06 03:20:00 - [6] Nothing says "I love you" like a dead carcas slapped onto her table during lunch. She needs to know that you can hunt and provide food for her and your future kids. So shoot a deer or a similar animal then go to the school cafeteria during lunchtime and show her youre willingness to commit! After that I shall help you get past the next stage in the relationship: killing/seriously injuring her father.
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.07.06 03:45:00 - [7] Tips for getting a girl: Own a European castle Possess supernatural charm Have a transalvainian accent Be from another country (makes you mysterious) Only come out at night (makes you more mysterious) Offer immortality in an erotic situation one night Avoid Doctors and X boyfriends at all costs. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.07.06 03:48:00 - [8] You talk to her like any other person, if you get a chance to play to your strong points do so but don't force it, i.e if your funny or smart be a little of that, a little! Chances are you're shit out of luck anyways unless you're tall, rich or effeminate. Going in knowing your screwed you've embraced bushido and can never really lose from there on and with the mind at ease you'll come across as more confident. Being confident she will get curious what you've got making you so sure about yourself. Don't ever confuse this with sprinkled on gangsta bravado, she'd have to be a ho to begin with to go for that and in that case grabbing her crotch from the start is as good an approach as any... These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.06 04:02:00 - [9] Originally by: Siberys Edited by: Siberys on 06/07/2008 00:37:49 Namely, how do I get a girl to like me? I'm going into high school after this summer, so I would not be going on, say, a one night stand (I have a douche of a friend who I figure will do that, then never get laid again) So, in other words, how would I start a relationship? About the girl, here is what I know: She does not have a boyfriend ATM She lives a block from my house She didn't seem to have any other guys particularly into her during the school year. Any tips? And real advice P-L-E-A-S-E... Well since your young its quite easy.. Start the conversation at school, dont be nervous, dont be needy, act interested in what she has to say and most of all... Be yourself. Oh and dont mention eve... I repeat DONT MENTION EVE! Goodluck.
illusha Hells Angels Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.06 04:22:00 - [10] Silently sneak behind her like a navy seal and then slap her on the ass. Then RUN and never see her again.

pwnedgato	Posted - 2008.07.06 04:35:00 - [11] Tell her you were drafted and that you may never see her again? Alternatively you could do what comes to mind first. Just going up to her and asking her is only a good idea if you think you can be that forward for the entirety of the relation ship. Another idea is to find an excuse to talk to her preferably when she is with her friends, get them to like you make sure to pay more attention to what seems to be her "best" friend than her (at first only ofc). Best advice I can give is; do not do thing you won't/can't continue doing as the relationship progresses. If you aren't willing to always go that extra step to help her with anything you can sometimes even before being asked don't do it to get her to like you etc. Originally by: Crumplecorn These is a forum for this.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.07.06 09:07:00 - [12] Look good. --- Its dead, Jim.
Ch Tang	Posted - 2008.07.06 09:07:00 - [13] Does she know that you live a block away from her? If so, walk up to her and say, 'Hi. What did you do over the summer?' If she doesn't know walk up to her and say, 'Hi. Didn't I see you in my neighborhood one day this summer.? (This line works because if you both are just going to high school there will be a lot of new people to meet.) These lines are just 'ice-breakers' be ready to handle the conversation from there. Just remember two things. At your age everyone is nervous about meeting people. And, anyone who would shot a person down for trying to talk to them the first time is not worth getting to know. GL.
Daelorn Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.06 09:13:00 - [14] Edited by: Daelorn on 06/07/2008 09:13:56 So simple, just go talk to her. If she seems interested do shit with her (ask her out somewhere)... If she still seems interested make a move. If shes not interested, tough luck, go out and find another girl. PS: Don't call her a creature
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.07.06 09:15:00 - [15] Originally by: Daelorn PS: Don't call her a creature --- Its dead, Jim.
Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.06 10:19:00 - [16] LOL. Here's what to do, honestly... a) Be a bit arrogant, show active disinterest by not acknowleding how hot she is, but still you talk to her b) Befriend her friends c) Don't attempt to meet her alone... yet, instead use your brain to gather her together with friends, befriend them... oh, I said that before... nevermind, this IS important d) Stand upright, speak with a clear, low and projected voice, keep eyecontact e) Lower body movements to a minimum, radiate calmness and "being in control" f) Only start hitting on her when she gives you three signs of interest (like she plays with her hair, starts touching you and asks for your name) g) Topics to talk about: everything you are interested in, except bad and nerdy stuff like politics, religion, computer games h) Kiss her when she gave you enough signs of interest, lips only (makeout comes later) Most important: i) Treat her like your little sister, especially when she is bratty (and when she is interested in you she WILL be bratty). --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!
Buff Plankchest	Posted - 2008.07.06 10:22:00 - [17] Originally by: Doc Extropy LOL. Here's what to do, honestly... a) Be a bit arrogant, show active disinterest by not acknowleding how hot she is, but still you talk to her b) Befriend her friends c) Don't attempt to meet her alone... yet, instead use your brain to gather her together with friends, befriend them... oh, I said that before... nevermind, this IS important d) Stand upright, speak with a clear, low and projected voice, keep eyecontact e) Lower body movements to a minimum, radiate calmness and "being in control" f) Only start hitting on her when she gives you three signs of interest (like she plays with her hair, starts touching you and asks for your name) g) Topics to talk about: everything you are interested in, except bad and nerdy stuff like politics, religion, computer games h) Kiss her when she gave you enough signs of interest, lips only (makeout comes later) Most important: i) Treat her like your little sister, especially when she is bratty (and when she is interested in you she WILL be bratty). All good info here! One thing to add... do not, under ANY circumstances, sleep with any of her friends
Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.06 10:24:00 - [18] Originally by: Buff Plankchest Originally by: Doc Extropy LOL. Here's what to do, honestly... a) Be a bit arrogant, show active disinterest by not acknowleding how hot she is, but still you talk to her b) Befriend her friends c) Don't attempt to meet her alone... yet, instead use your brain to gather her together with friends, befriend them... oh, I said that before... nevermind, this IS important d) Stand upright, speak with a clear, low and projected voice, keep eyecontact e) Lower body movements to a minimum, radiate calmness and "being in control" f) Only start hitting on her when she gives you three signs of interest (like she plays with her hair, starts touching you and asks for your name) g) Topics to talk about: everything you are interested in, except bad and nerdy stuff like politics, religion, computer games h) Kiss her when she gave you enough signs of interest, lips only (makeout comes later) Most important: i) Treat her like your little sister, especially when she is bratty (and when she is interested in you she WILL be bratty). All good info here! One thing to add... do not, under ANY circumstances, sleep with any of her friends This is a debatable point, but for beginners, you are right. --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!
Bruja Ry Caldari Copperhead Arsenal	Posted - 2008.07.06 12:20:00 - [19] Be yourself, very important Talk to her, like others said, ask about her summer Find out her interests, to know if you have something in common with her befriend her friends also most important DON'T forget about your own friends, they can backstab you for not spending time with them.
Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.06 12:37:00 - [20] Originally by: Bruja Ry Be yourself, very important Talk to her, like others said, ask about her summer Find out her interests, to know if you have something in common with her befriend her friends also most important DON'T forget about your own friends, they can backstab you for not spending time with them. No, don't be yourself. This is instant failure. Be YOUR BEST self, basically you need to strengthen your personality and character to be successful with women. From a theoretical point of view you basically need to develop three distinct avatars... a) the socializing one who is fun to be around (to attract women in the first place), b) the trustworthy, loving one (to get trust, comfort and the necessary level of compliance) and c) the seductive, dominant one (I think you can guess what this one if for). As soon as you can exhibit all your natural strengths (and being a man in itself IS enough, most men today just forgot how to be men or ask themselves "zomg is it politically correct to be a man", urinating while sitting is another example of effeminate behaviour, but duh...) you were given by our Mother Nature, there is only one thing left to do... Don't make any severe mistakes. Thats basically the initial human mating process, leaving out the whole evolutionary psychology / stoneage sociology - stuff which is the base behind all this stuff. --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!

Lord Zoran House of Tempers	Posted - 2008.07.06 12:52:00 - [21] first of all tell her you play a internet spaceships game..... (shouting pew pew after this is compulsory) then tell her you asked about relationships on a forum of a internet spaceship game... i'm sure that'll work wonders
Nimita	Posted - 2008.07.06 13:30:00 - [22] get an orangutan and name him clyde!
Mark Lucius Kinetic Vector	Posted - 2008.07.06 14:40:00 - [23] Originally by: Doc Extropy a) Be a bit arrogant, show active disinterest by not acknowleding how hot she is, but still you talk to her While this is all good advice, a) isn't necessarily applicable here, as OP is going into high school. Save this for college, as it works best on girls who know they are hot. In high school everybody is insecure and a good way to get somebody to like you is to show some interest. Ask about her summer and take the convo from there. Pay attention to what she says, especially the parts about things she likes. Don't force the conversation. This all works best when she is feeling comfortable. That's why it is important to pay attention the her friends as well. Good luck. ---
Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.06 14:56:00 - [24] Originally by: Mark Lucius Originally by: Doc Extropy a) Be a bit arrogant, show active disinterest by not acknowleding how hot she is, but still you talk to her While this is all good advice, a) isn't necessarily applicable here, as OP is going into high school. Save this for college, as it works best on girls who know they are hot. In high school everybody is insecure and a good way to get somebody to like you is to show some interest. Ask about her summer and take the convo from there. Pay attention to what she says, especially the parts about things she likes. Don't force the conversation. This all works best when she is feeling comfortable. That's why it is important to pay attention the her friends as well. Good luck. In case she is an arrogant youknowwhat I would even recommend giving out backhanded compliments, but this is another story and nothing for the unexperienced faint at heart. SOME arrogance and active disinterest is a necessary attraction trigger (even if the girl does the first step by giving extended eye contact), this is, as I understand it, hardwired into the human brain for some reason. WHAT is possible is to replace a good amount of necessary arrogance and active disinterest by playful teasing, but this is somehow dependent on the personality of the woman you are working with. If she doesn't shoot you balls, you can't bust them, so a staged approach, where you do the rather passive stuff of a) first and then, as soon as she starts being engaged into the conversation switch to being **y, funny and teasing / ballbusting, usually works wonders. I'd also make sure I have some good REAL LIFE stories at hand, they should include the following topics / background information: a) OP has contact with other girls, but keep this casual (no sex stuff) b) OP has people he cares for (family, brethren, etc...) c) OP leads other men (but not into fleet battles in Eve of course) --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!**
Mark Lucius Kinetic Vector	Posted - 2008.07.06 15:05:00 - [25] In support of Doc Extropy's points: I once had a very hot professional dancer actively show interest in me, because I was about the only guy in a group of around 150 not showing any interest in her, while being good friends with a lady that she was also friends with (unknown to me at first). Huge ego boost. ---
Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.06 15:11:00 - [26] Originally by: Mark Lucius In support of Doc Extropy's points: I once had a very hot professional dancer actively show interest in me, because I was about the only guy in a group of around 150 not showing any interest in her, while being good friends with a lady that she was also friends with (unknown to me at first). Huge ego boost. Absolutely. This may destroy all those somehow romantic dreams all men and women tend to have about the other sex, but we can't choose or determine by logic to whom we are attracted. This is determined by subconscious triggers only (men and women alike, where male attraction is triggered by replicative stuff mostly and female attraction is triggered by survivability stuff - character, charisma, leadership abilities, social skills - almost exclusively). There is no need for washboard stomaches and BMWs... but having friends and being a socializing person who is respected and liked is invaluable for a man. --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!
Mebrithiel Ju'wien Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:35:00 - [27] Learn to skate. Play guitar. Join a band. These three will get you anywhere. Personal Library
lofty29 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:38:00 - [28] Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien Learn to skate. Play guitar. Join a band. These three will get you anywhere. In la la land 族---族 Latest Video : Relentless
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:40:00 - [29] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 06/07/2008 16:39:58 Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien Learn to skate. Play guitar. Join a band. These three will get you anywhere. In la la land Lofty just invites them to his gang and ganks them... --- Its dead, Jim.
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:45:00 - [30] Edited by: Evanda Char on 06/07/2008 16:47:16 Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien Learn to skate. Play guitar. Join a band. These three will get you anywhere. I went out with a guy like this once. It was brilliant. Then one day, we were kissing on top of a hill and he started to roll away... The last I ever heard of him were the first chords of "Stairway to Heaven" as he flew over the edge of a cliff... P.S. I hope the OP lives in the US, because if he's British FFS SHE'S 11! -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time

Daelorn Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:47:00 - [31] Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien Learn to skate. Play guitar. Join a band. These three will get you anywhere. wat! those were the weird kids in my high school!
Mebrithiel Ju'wien Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:56:00 - [32] Originally by: Evanda Char we were kissing on top of a hill and he started to roll away... The last I ever heard of him were the first chords of "Stairway to Heaven" as he flew over the edge of a cliff... No stairway? Denied! Personal Library
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:59:00 - [33] Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien Originally by: Evanda Char we were kissing on top of a hill and he started to roll away... The last I ever heard of him were the first chords of "Stairway to Heaven" as he flew over the edge of a cliff... No stairway? Denied! Gravity is srs business. -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.07.06 17:17:00 - [34] Originally by: Evanda Char I went out with a guy like this once. It was brilliant. Then one day, we were kissing on top of a hill and he started to roll away... The last I ever heard of him were the first chords of "Stairway to Heaven" as he flew over the edge of a cliff... omg... i just almost choked on a half pint of fresh orangejuice reading that... came outta my nose and everything... god damn it stings! <3 Eva \o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF THE YEAR! \o/ >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.07.06 18:04:00 - [35] Originally by: Siberys Namely, how do I get a girl to like me? First question is, do YOU like yourself ? What exactly do you like about yourself ? Do more of that, and talk with her about it. What exactly DON'T you kile about yourself ? Stop doing it (or at least never do it in her presence). The difference from hate to love is small, but the difference from either one to indiffeence is huge. The worst think you can do is not do anything remarkable at all. Like they say, bad publicity is better than no advertisment. So, yeah, while you might not like getting noticed for something bad (well, "sort of" bad only, not catastrophic), it's better than not being noticed at all. After you got her attention and you managed to not act like a jerk in her presence... well, do you have any common interests ? It's not like there's much of a problem to get a girl to like you or at least like hanging out with you - you just need to not be a major jerk not act too weird. Still, there's the "just friends" trap - it's no problem if you only want a friend too, but if you're not really looking for that (afterall, I suppose you do have enough male friends to hang out with), then getting categorized as "just a friend" in her mind is nasty. So, make her understand early on you're interested in her as a potential girlfriend, not just a girl who's your friend. But after a while, you may realize you actually have not much in common at all, and then you could easily demote her yourself to "just a friend who's a girl" status. Meh... this is all "old man talk" though, I suppose... at your age, I was probably just as desperate to get any kind of an actual girlfriend too. Nowadays, if I'd be single, I'd be really, really picky about who I'd even consider as a potential girlfriend... and let me tell you, I no longer care that much at all about looks alone (not after a first date anyway). _ SUPPORT or CRITICIZE the issue of mineral and moon material balance !
illusha Hells Angels Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.06 18:45:00 - [36] Tell her that you need sex education and that you want her to be your teacher.
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.06 19:01:00 - [37] Most of anything I would say has already been said, to be honest. I'll just add in a few things 1. Don't Bullshit - Girls can tell when you're lying. Always just assume this and don't try and BS your way into a relationsip. It won't work. (NOTE: This does not mean to tell her yes when she asks if a dress makes her look fat unless you want to lose your nuts) 2. Be Confident - You don't have to be an ***** to get a girl's attention ~~though it apparently helps with a lot of them, but ** THEM ANYWAY! No need to waste your time with stupid chicks, I'm looking at you Kirah! Wait, what were we talking about?~~. Believe in your own abilities and don't approach her from the perspective of asking out someone "above your level" even if that's actually true. Confidence will go a long way 3. Find out what you have in common and build on that. If that fails, just listen to what she has to say about herself. Not pretend to listen, actually listen. Be part of the conversation. For an instant way to engage her in conversation like this, simply find out what her profession or hobby is and say something like "Actually, I've heard that _________ is really simple." Works every time. 4. Don't do anything really dumb. Like staring at her boobs constantly, or making lots of perverted comments, generally the behavior that all males show by default. Fight the temptation! Girls will notice a guy that goes out of his way to be a gentleman. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.07.07 00:06:00 - [38] Originally by: Doc Extropy ... Only start hitting on her when she gives you three signs of interest (like she plays with her hair, starts touching you and asks for your name) ... Now c'mon this has got to be an urban legend, I've had my share and his share of women and none of them was playing with their hair. Honestly you've just read that somewhere right? These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.07 00:16:00 - [39] Originally by: Wendat Huron Originally by: Doc Extropy ... Only start hitting on her when she gives you three signs of interest (like she plays with her hair, starts touching you and asks for your name) ... Now c'mon this has got to be an urban legend, I've had my share and his share of women and none of them was playing with their hair. Honestly you've just read that somewhere right? Actually, this happened to a girl that had a crush on me. I was 12 at the time though, maybe it's only a pre-teen thing? ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.07.07 00:23:00 - [40] Edited by: Dheorl on 07/07/2008 00:24:16 Originally by: Jacob Mei Tips for getting a girl: Own a European castle Possess supernatural charm Have a transalvainian accent Be from another country (makes you mysterious) Only come out at night (makes you more mysterious) Offer immortality in an erotic situation one night Avoid Doctors and X boyfriends at all costs. I'm hitting on 5/6 there (well not really #3 but meh, I quite like the letter "w"). Maybe it's the bottom bit which I'm going wrong on. To the OP just talk to her, act natural, don't be too over the top or nervous, the usual stuff really. When you get the same advice over and over it's generally becuase it's pretty good advice. Oh and make her giggle (making her gigle is hugely better than making her laugh, trust me)

Siberys	Posted - 2008.07.07 00:44:00 - [41] Okay, just as a recap, this is what you all have told me: -Just sorta talk to her, then ask her to lunch or something. -Act like myself, at least the good stuff about me, as in excluding EVE online, or any video games for that matter. -Don't look like crud. -Figure out what she is interested in. -Don't slouch or in other ways not seem in control. -DON'T sleep with her friends (Not like I would, my mom would frakking kill me if I slept with a girl before I'm 17) -Try and find things in common between us. -Don't lie. -Get to know her friends. -Don't do stuff I would normally do with my friends (I.E. Perverted jokes) -Make her giggle. Thats about it. Oh and I forgot this when I made the original post, but I had told her that if she ever wanted to say, come to the shore club my family is part of, she could just give me a call. For some reason I waited till the day of graduation to ask her this, so it was kinda... awkward. But what isn't in teen romance, or whatever you want to call it. So, I kinda started something. I have been asking everyone I think has decent advice on the matter about this (In other words, everyone I know except my "friends" (The creepy perverted ones) and my loudmouthed little sister.)
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.07 01:12:00 - [42] Originally by: Siberys -DON'T sleep with her friends (Not like I would, my mom would frakking kill me if I slept with a girl before I'm 17) A little piece of advice, regarding this. There is no punishment on the planet that will keep you from having sex with a girl should the opportunity arise, to be honest. I tried to do the same thing and it failed miserably. You can think that now all you want, but if you're making out with a girl in the back of a car for half an hour and she tells you she's ready to go, all the rationality just leaks out of your ears. Trust me on this one. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.07 01:37:00 - [43] One last tip, if you do win her over, you will eventually get dumped, this is a given because of your age... Because of this I recommend you treat this more as a learning experience so next time it will be even better.
Siberys	Posted - 2008.07.07 02:20:00 - [44] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Siberys -DON'T sleep with her friends (Not like I would, my mom would frakking kill me if I slept with a girl before I'm 17) A little piece of advice, regarding this. There is no punishment on the planet that will keep you from having sex with a girl should the opportunity arise, to be honest. I tried to do the same thing and it failed miserably. You can think that now all you want, but if you're making out with a girl in the back of a car for half an hour and she tells you she's ready to go, all the rationality just leaks out of your ears. Trust me on this one. Given how much I like this girl, I see absoloutly no reason not to believe you... except in new york you have to be 17 to get a drivers license... Drat.
Atomos Darksun Infortunatus Eventus	Posted - 2008.07.07 04:12:00 - [45] Jump through her window at night and go OH HAI! Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice... Atomos' Guide to Forum Flaming
pwnedgato	Posted - 2008.07.07 04:18:00 - [46] Best way to meet a girl ever: Get into a car accident with her. Originally by: Crumplecorn These is a forum for this.
Calvin Firenze Minmatar Thanos and Killjoy Productions	Posted - 2008.07.07 04:33:00 - [47] Originally by: Buff Plankchest All good info here! One thing to add... do not, under ANY circumstances, sleep with any of her friends I did that once, when I was 18. Hard lesson learned, but at least I got a cool story to tell about how I ****ed a one legged girl. Trips my friends out when I tell them the story, which they ask me to do every time we're drinking it seems.
Woodwraith Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2008.07.07 05:13:00 - [48] This may seem counter-intuitive and not very gentlemanly but it works, have her do things for you, it can be anything, start with the small stuff from grabbing you a soda while she gets one for herself, to bringing a cup of coffee on her way over the house. it puts you on her mind and makes a different association in her brain than when you do things for her, which you should still do, dont turn her into a maid, as that will backfire, also, if your out doing the mutual friends thing, it is VERY important to rig the situation in your favor, you need to have, and ideally only have, one guy that she will perceive as LESS attractive than you, and one girl shell see as MORE attractive than herself, you dont even have to know these people, sitting near them will be enough. shell see you as better than him, and associate you as someone who can have attractive women around, planting a small seed that she better grab you now before the other one does.
Victor Valka Caldari Kissaki Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.07 05:27:00 - [49] Originally by: Woodwraith This may seem counter-intuitive and not very gentlemanly but it works, have her do things for you, it can be anything, start with the small stuff from grabbing you a soda while she gets one for herself, to bringing a cup of coffee on her way over the house. (Sorry. I have no real advice to offer, so ,I figured, I'll at least post a somehow amusing picture with a relevant caption.) Originally by: Roxanna Kell You are insane.
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.07.07 06:19:00 - [50] Edited by: Amastat on 07/07/2008 06:25:12 Often times you screw up with women the most when you over-analyze and obsess over it. Just be relaxed and don't mind her and/or everything else around you, and be direct and straightforward (in a non perverted way), go with the flow - good luck to you if you can't do that. If that doesn't work then she either has taste for big headed over-confident men who will flex for her, or she's not really looking and you have to get her attention somehow - you just have to find out what will. If she's more defensive, and even though she seems interested - don't go over the top, try to learn more about her before making your next move. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu

Reven Cordelle Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.07.07 07:07:00 - [51] Victor speaks the truth. Get her to make you pancakes and she's yours forever. Failing that. Equip : Balls and ask her if she wants to hang out. If she says no.. chances are shes not going to like you without a lot of effort. This generally defeats the point of trying in the first place. However, if she says yes, then you can begin building your foundations. Just don't tell her you play EVE.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.07 07:56:00 - [52] I met my wife at an art museum. I asked her what she was doing the next day (Sunday), and suggested that we do something different. We settled on a picnic, and the rest is history. :) My suggestion is not to be an ass, and to pay attention to the lady. Talk to her, find out her goals, desires, dreams. Share yours, and build a relationship. -Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved.
Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.07 08:18:00 - [53] Originally by: Wendat Huron Originally by: Doc Extropy ... Only start hitting on her when she gives you three signs of interest (like she plays with her hair, starts touching you and asks for your name) ... Now c'mon this has got to be an urban legend, I've had my share and his share of women and none of them was playing with their hair. Honestly you've just read that somewhere right? Strange. But it may depend on circumstances as well. Did you get those girls from your social circle, in a very slow manner (over weeks, months, possibly years)? This may explain it... but by default, this indicators of interest or flirt signals are hard coded into the female brain by genetics... you can also look out for them scratching their hands and wrists (resembles some kind of grooming), etc... Definitively not an urban legend, I rely heavily on this kind of signals when flirting (and I do this a lot since I'm not into long term relationships at the moment) - of course, I avoid getting to know girls from my social circle (takes too long, most are in relationships with people I like, etc...), so I have no real, educated experience with that. You can try out yourself, for a quick test you can try to make one bratty, call her on it and see what happens. In many cases they will start giving you this signals quickly when done right. Of course, I only have experience with girls in Europe, but it should not be culture dependent. --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!
pwnedgato	Posted - 2008.07.07 08:21:00 - [54] Edited by: pwnedgato on 07/07/2008 08:21:46 Edited by: pwnedgato on 07/07/2008 08:21:25 The hair thing usually proves true. I didn't know that until after high school though, and when I thought back I realized how many missed opportunities I had(and there I was feeling pathetic for being stuck single). Guess that just shows I had the emotional sensitivity of a brick. Originally by: Crumplecorn These is a forum for this.
Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.07 08:25:00 - [55] Originally by: pwnedgato Edited by: pwnedgato on 07/07/2008 08:21:46 Edited by: pwnedgato on 07/07/2008 08:21:25 The hair thing usually proves true. I didn't know that until after high school though, and when I thought back I realized how many missed opportunities I had(and there I was feeling pathetic for being stuck single). Guess that just shows I had the emotional sensitivity of a brick. This has a lot to do with self - image as well. Our culture often tells us the lie that one has to be a superstar, rich and / or extremely handsome to have success with women, which is far from the truth. All one needs is personal and sexual confidence, an interesting life with passion, friends, social savvyness and a masculine self image. "I am enough" is one of those beliefs, because it usually holds true. --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!
Ethidium Bromide ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.07 08:27:00 - [56] you don't want any girl! Originally by: George Petsch Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
pwnedgato	Posted - 2008.07.07 08:29:00 - [57] Originally by: Doc Extropy This has a lot to do with self - image as well. Our culture often tells us the lie that one has to be a superstar, rich and / or extremely handsome to have success with women, which is far from the truth. All one needs is personal and sexual confidence, an interesting life with passion, friends, social savvyness and a masculine self image. "I am enough" is one of those beliefs, because it usually holds true. Nail, head, it was hit. Then again in some cases poor self-esteem can trigger a nurturing response in some girls/ Originally by: Crumplecorn These is a forum for this.
Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.07 08:32:00 - [58] Originally by: pwnedgato Originally by: Doc Extropy This has a lot to do with self - image as well. Our culture often tells us the lie that one has to be a superstar, rich and / or extremely handsome to have success with women, which is far from the truth. All one needs is personal and sexual confidence, an interesting life with passion, friends, social savvyness and a masculine self image. "I am enough" is one of those beliefs, because it usually holds true. Nail, head, it was hit. Then again in some cases poor self-esteem can trigger a nurturing response in some girls/ Yeah, but those are not the girls a man usually wants to have in his life. Because poor self esteem attracts poor self esteem - and from personal experience I can tell you that low self esteem girls are giving you hell. ONS with them or some kind of friendship with benefits may be ok (if you are into absolute control of the situation), but never ever CONSIDER a relationship with some "poor me" (or sociopath, eating disorder or self injuring) - girl. Guy I learned a lot from in this regard said "a relationship with a low self esteem woman is like build a house on a frozen sea - it leads to your personal catastrophe". --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!
pwnedgato	Posted - 2008.07.07 08:35:00 - [59] In my experience women with low self esteem tend to attract only a certain type of men with low self esteem. Namely those that abuse others in-order to feel in control. When I said nurturing I meant girls who already had a sort of motherly instinct. Y'know the same ones that enjoy baby sitting or want to be nurses. Originally by: Crumplecorn These is a forum for this.
Mark Lucius Kinetic Vector	Posted - 2008.07.07 08:41:00 - [60] Both the hair thing and the 'serving thing' are true in my experience, but the serving thing can get out of hand quickly, so don't use this very often. Flirt signals are easy to miss, but they are there and pretty universal. ---

Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.07 08:46:00 - [61] Originally by: pwnedgato In my experience women with low self esteem tend to attract only a certain type of men with low self esteem. Namely those that abuse others in-order to feel in control. When I said nurturing I meant girls who already had a sort of motherly instinct. Y'know the same ones that enjoy baby sitting or want to be nurses. Oh, the old lover / provider - dichotomy, you can also call this the alpha male / beta male - principle. Idea is that women who want to have a family go and get themselves a weak beta male, because he is trustworthy, reliable and nice (this is, btw, the reason for so many nice guys having girlfriends / wives in spite of human mating principles!) while they keep, on a subconscious level, open for insemination by alpha men (they usually have as secret lovers). Had this problem once as well, now I have an easy screening process to get rid of this kind of women... I just watch how quickly they want to draw me into a relationship... if this happens before the first sex, I bail out consequently. Reason is (this may be a bit complicated to understand, so I go into greater detail here): a) IF a woman is attracted to you and you have established a good deal of rapport (trust, comfort and compliance), she WILL sleep with you if she is a sane and healthy human being b) IF she doesn't and requires a relationship with you to start sexual stuff, she is either nuts (in a moralistic sense, and this is a no go in the 21st century) or she isn't sexually but rather monetary or whatever attracted to you Sounds harsh, yeah... but this is how stuff works in humans. --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!
Siberys	Posted - 2008.07.07 11:12:00 - [62] Okay, well I was browsing the web, and as an interesting point of note I looked up a research article one of my (Non-perverted) friends told me about when we were discussing girls, and "If you could have a real relationship with one girl who would it be" or in general being teenage guys. Supposablely said article (which I did find) said an experiment conducted found that most women find sleeping with the general "Nerd" genre of person to be more sexually gratifying than sex with, say, a jock who would discard them at a moments notice if a more atractive girl came along. It was an interesting article, to say the least. My teory was that the nerd is not in a great deal of contact with women, and so every relationship he strives to make the most enjoyable for both of them, I.E. that Symbiotic Relationship thing we all learn in science class. So that is why a great deal of nerds who seem like they would stay single all their lives end up getting married. Just an interesting tidbit I think is interesting and kinda relevant to the topic.
MrTriggerHappy Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.07.07 11:24:00 - [63] Your first mistake.. Asking eve-o for dating advice... it's been done many a time.. I'd actually like to know out of all the dating advice threads.. which of them was successful? 2nd mistake.. reading too much into it. Just start a convo and be yourself.. if that fails, watch King Kong and follow his examples.. of jumping around, grunting and throwing things around. It'll work a charm! -------------------------------- My Comments in no way reflect my corp or alliance
Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.07 11:41:00 - [64] Originally by: MrTriggerHappy Just start a convo and be yourself.. if that fails, watch King Kong and follow his examples.. of jumping around, grunting and throwing things around. It'll work a charm! Won't work. Female to male attraction doesn't come from fluff talk and nothing else but from activating several triggers. --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!
Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.07 11:46:00 - [65] Originally by: Siberys Okay, well I was browsing the web, and as an interesting point of note I looked up a research article one of my (Non-perverted) friends told me about when we were discussing girls, and "If you could have a real relationship with one girl who would it be" or in general being teenage guys. Supposablely said article (which I did find) said an experiment conducted found that most women find sleeping with the general "Nerd" genre of person to be more sexually gratifying than sex with, say, a jock who would discard them at a moments notice if a more atractive girl came along. It was an interesting article, to say the least. My teory was that the nerd is not in a great deal of contact with women, and so every relationship he strives to make the most enjoyable for both of them, I.E. that Symbiotic Relationship thing we all learn in science class. So that is why a great deal of nerds who seem like they would stay single all their lives end up getting married. Just an interesting tidbit I think is interesting and kinda relevant to the topic. Feminist / moralist propaganda, sorry. Contact me ingame for some REAL information about this topic. Proven, working information. --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!
Glassback Body Count Inc. The Requiem	Posted - 2008.07.07 12:29:00 - [66] Wash. Appear confident. Ask her questions and listen to the answers. Ask her out asap (touch her arm when you ask), don't become her m8. Enjoy yourself. G. LinkedIn
Arvald Caldari Aurora Acclivitous Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.07.07 16:24:00 - [67] also since were on the subject im 17 and a girl from the church my parents go to is 15, is it weird for me to try and get a date with her because of the age difference? Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you *are* paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face)
Remata Lakira Terran Coalition	Posted - 2008.07.07 16:25:00 - [68] Originally by: Arvald also since were on the subject im 17 and a girl from the church my parents go to is 15, is it weird for me to try and get a date with her because of the age difference? To be honest if she is mature then there's nothing wrong with dating.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.07.07 16:43:00 - [69] Doc, how come you think you know so much about this subject? --- Its dead, Jim.
Slanty McGarglefist	Posted - 2008.07.07 17:27:00 - [70] Let's just assume she doesn't have a watch. Guilt Trip Pickup Scenario #1 Yes, you do have to ask her for the time, but you need to be prepared. Make sure you have your cellphone handy. Go up to her and asked for the time at the end of class or end of the day. When she is about to tell you the time, IMMEDIATELY tell her to hang on. Open up your cellphone like you just got a call and pretend like your talking to someone, and then simply walk away before she answers you. The very next day, DO THE EXACT SAME THING. By the third day, she should be **ed and will either go off on you or try to ignore you. Get her attention and quickly explain to her that everyday at this time you promise your mom/dad that you would call your grandmother to remind her to take her medication pills, but she usually ends up calling you first instead to talk about your day. HERE IS YOUR OPENING. HER GUILT WILL BE YOUR TRIUMPH. VICTORY IS WITHIN YOUR CLUTCHES. Seven times out of 10, they will completely forget that a cellphone can tell time because they feel so bad. If she doesn't, tell her that you get a bad reception in the class and most of the time it doesn't work in there. Even if she says no, at least you know she feels terrible. Of course you are the king , but she doesn't know that. THIS IS COMPLETELY TOTALLY FULL PROOF. Guarantee. LISTEN TO NO ONE AFTER THIS __________________________________________________ Originally by:** CCP Wrangler No Doh!

Arvald Caldari Aurora Acclivitous Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.07.07 17:29:00 - [71] Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist Let's just assume she doesn't have a watch. Guilt Trip Pickup Scenario #1 Yes, you do have to ask her for the time, but you need to be prepared. Make sure you have your cellphone handy. Go up to her and asked for the time at the end of class or end of the day. When she is about to tell you the time, IMMEDIATELY tell her to hang on. Open up your cellphone like you just got a call and pretend like your talking to someone, and then simply walk away before she answers you. The very next day, DO THE EXACT SAME THING. By the third day, she should be **ed and will either go off on you or try to ignore you. Get her attention and quickly explain to her that everyday at this time you promise your mom/dad that you would call your grandmother to remind her to take her medication pills, but she usually ends up calling you first instead to talk about your day. HERE IS YOUR OPENING. HER GUILT WILL BE YOUR TRIUMPH. VICTORY IS WITHIN YOUR CLUTCHES. Seven times out of 10, they will completely forget that a cellphone can tell time because they feel so bad. If she doesn't, tell her that you get a bad reception in the class and most of the time it doesn't work in there. Even if she says no, at least you know she feels terrible. Of course you are the king , but she doesn't know that. THIS IS COMPLETELY TOTALLY FULL PROOF. Guarantee. LISTEN TO NO ONE AFTER THIS i so have to try this Originally by:** Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you *are* paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face)
Siberys	Posted - 2008.07.07 17:33:00 - [72] Originally by: Arvald also since were on the subject im 17 and a girl from the church my parents go to is 15, is it weird for me to try and get a date with her because of the age difference? Heck, half the girls I know (Excluding the one I'm into, thank heaven) are into 10th grade guys, and I'm in 8th grade, so I guess you could say it's fine. Just so long as she is mature enough for you, and you're interested in her.
Arvald Caldari Aurora Acclivitous Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.07.07 17:34:00 - [73] Originally by: Siberys Originally by: Arvald also since were on the subject im 17 and a girl from the church my parents go to is 15, is it weird for me to try and get a date with her because of the age difference? Heck, half the girls I know (Excluding the one I'm into, thank heaven) are into 10th grade guys, and I'm in 8th grade, so I guess you could say it's fine. Just so long as she is mature enough for you, and you're interested in her. well the thing that i didn't mention is that im 18 next month......so it kinda brings up a few new problems after that for where i live(usa) Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you *are* paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face)
Siberys	Posted - 2008.07.07 17:40:00 - [74] Oh, right, that bloody problem... I honestly think they overreact a bit much there, but don't feel too bad, I'm stuck in NY, where I can't even drive a car till I'm 17... And of course, no car means no getting laid... Damnit.
Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.07 17:48:00 - [75] Originally by: Jim McGregor Doc, how come you think you know so much about this subject? Funny thing is that I don't think I know a lot about it... it's just stuff I usually use "out there, in the field", and basically it works. Sometimes it's easy, sometimes it's hard, depending on my state, the chakras, the state and the chakra of the women, the barkeeper... well, made most barkeepers and bouncers friends in the process, which is a nice side effect. Somehow it's my credo in this regard... "never teach anything you haven't field tested with reproducible, positive results yourself"... although I don't take money teaching stuff like this, hm... --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!
Siberys	Posted - 2008.07.07 17:51:00 - [76] Question two doc: How old are you? Because you are sure as hell older than 20.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.07 17:52:00 - [77] Originally by: Arvald Originally by: Siberys Originally by: Arvald also since were on the subject im 17 and a girl from the church my parents go to is 15, is it weird for me to try and get a date with her because of the age difference? Heck, half the girls I know (Excluding the one I'm into, thank heaven) are into 10th grade guys, and I'm in 8th grade, so I guess you could say it's fine. Just so long as she is mature enough for you, and you're interested in her. well the thing that i didn't mention is that im 18 next month......so it kinda brings up a few new problems after that for where i live(usa) Oh man then I suggest you fray away from doing ANYTHING thats considered molestation.
Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.07 17:54:00 - [78] Originally by: Siberys Question two doc: How old are you? Because you are sure as hell older than 20. Yeah, I am. But thats not a merit and not necessary for this to work. --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!
Arvald Caldari Aurora Acclivitous Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.07.07 17:57:00 - [79] Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: Arvald Originally by: Siberys Originally by: Arvald also since were on the subject im 17 and a girl from the church my parents go to is 15, is it weird for me to try and get a date with her because of the age difference? Heck, half the girls I know (Excluding the one I'm into, thank heaven) are into 10th grade guys, and I'm in 8th grade, so I guess you could say it's fine. Just so long as she is mature enough for you, and you're interested in her. well the thing that i didn't mention is that im 18 next month......so it kinda brings up a few new problems after that for where i live(usa) Oh man then I suggest you fray away from doing ANYTHING thats considered molestation. just out of curiosity is this supposed to be a smartass comment or serious? Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you *are* paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face)
Slanty McGarglefist	Posted - 2008.07.07 17:59:00 - [80] Edited by: Slanty McGarglefist on 07/07/2008 17:59:02 Please read my advice above! It works! __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Wrangler No Doh!

goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.07 17:59:00 - [81] Serious, remember if your 18 she can hold that against you if you two break up... And trust me women usually get crazy if you break up with them.
Plumpy McPudding	Posted - 2008.07.07 17:59:00 - [82] To woo a girl who is still in high school, by Mr. P Tell her you play football and you put dents in lockers when you're ****ed. Be extremely opinionated, make fun of everyone and explain how awesome you are compared to the nerd kids. Girls love when a guy shows their flaws so tell her that if your Pro Football gig doesn't pan out, you'll lead the life of a bagger at her local food mart and you can get her good sales on certain products. Also mention that you'll make more money than a bio-chemist. Girls love money! Also for prop points, get your parents to buy you a brand new car. Tell the girl that your parents gave it to you for saving their life during a robbery. __________________________ Fear me for I have an insatiable appetite! Proprietor and inventor of Chocolate Chip Chocolate Donut flavored Ice Cream.
Siberys	Posted - 2008.07.07 18:10:00 - [83] Originally by: Plumpy McPudding To woo a girl who is still in high school, by Mr. P Tell her you play football and you put dents in lockers when you're ***ed. Be extremely opinionated, make fun of everyone and explain how awesome you are compared to the nerd kids. Girls love when a guy shows their flaws so tell her that if your Pro Football gig doesn't pan out, you'll lead the life of a bagger at her local food mart and you can get her good sales on certain products. Also mention that you'll make more money than a bio-chemist. Girls love money! Also for prop points, get your parents to buy you a brand new car. Tell the girl that your parents gave it to you for saving their life during a robbery. Ummm I'm sorry I can't take you seriously. This is about how to get the girl without* becoming a new person. And does the fact that driving is three years from me mean anything?
Plumpy McPudding	Posted - 2008.07.07 18:17:00 - [84] Originally by: Siberys Originally by: Plumpy McPudding To woo a girl who is still in high school, by Mr. P Tell her you play football and you put dents in lockers when you're ***ed. Be extremely opinionated, make fun of everyone and explain how awesome you are compared to the nerd kids. Girls love when a guy shows their flaws so tell her that if your Pro Football gig doesn't pan out, you'll lead the life of a bagger at her local food mart and you can get her good sales on certain products. Also mention that you'll make more money than a bio-chemist. Girls love money! Also for prop points, get your parents to buy you a brand new car. Tell the girl that your parents gave it to you for saving their life during a robbery. Ummm I'm sorry I can't take you seriously. This is about how to get the girl without* becoming a new person. And does the fact that driving is three years from me mean anything? Doesn't matter much. I doubt you would act if an opportunity presented itself anyway. Read to many threads about this topic to believe otherwise. __________________________ Fear me for I have an insatiable appetite! Proprietor and inventor of Chocolate Chip Chocolate Donut flavored Ice Cream.
Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.07 18:22:00 - [85] Edited by: Doc Extropy on 07/07/2008 18:24:18 Originally by: Plumpy McPudding Doesn't matter much. I doubt you would act if an opportunity presented itself anyway. Read too many threads about this topic to believe otherwise. But one tip; Confidence! QFT. In love, shy guys are their own worst enemy. There is no such thing as woman biting off your head - and there is no such thing as failure. Only feedback. --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!
Dmian Gallente Starline Engineering Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.07 19:32:00 - [86] Listen to Doc, he's giving you great advice. ---- Eve Alpha - The font of Eve - Get it here
ivar R'dhak STK Scientific	Posted - 2008.07.08 11:24:00 - [87] Meh, didn¦t bother to read the thread as I¦m sure it¦s mainly the usual reverent attitude towards womyn. So here¦s some manly advice. In video form. For clarification read the Book of Bonecrker! Ignore at your own peril. And don¦t forget to laugh at the whole shiat once in a while, it helps. _ Mal-`Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-¦Big damn heroes sir.¦ Mal-¦Aint we just.¦
Taii'dan	Posted - 2008.07.08 13:47:00 - [88] My 2 cents: Save her from a life threatening situation. Then she'll magically fall in love and sleep with you. Hey, it works in the movies.
Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.08 15:37:00 - [89] Originally by: ivar R'dhak Meh, didn¦t bother to read the thread as I¦m sure it¦s mainly the usual reverent attitude towards womyn. This time you are wrong. --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.07.08 15:46:00 - [90] Originally by: Doc Extropy Originally by: ivar R'dhak Meh, didn¦t bother to read the thread as I¦m sure it¦s mainly the usual reverent attitude towards womyn. This time you are wrong. Yeah, its a pretty interesting thread, I must admit. --- Its dead, Jim.

ivar R'dhak STK Scientific	Posted - 2008.07.08 15:53:00 - [91] Edited by: ivar R''dhak on 08/07/2008 15:54:55 Originally by: Doc Extropy Originally by: ivar R'dhak Meh, didn¦t bother to read the thread as I¦m sure it¦s mainly the usual reverent attitude towards womyn. This time you are wrong. /me bothers to read thread Agreed! Maybe all is not lost. Now on to some light mantertainment. _ Mal-`Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-¦Big damn heroes sir.¦ Mal-¦Aint we just.¦
Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.08 15:56:00 - [92] Edited by: Doc Extropy on 08/07/2008 16:02:20 Edited by: Doc Extropy on 08/07/2008 16:00:52 Edited by: Doc Extropy on 08/07/2008 15:58:31 Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 08/07/2008 15:46:27 Originally by: Doc Extropy Originally by: ivar R'dhak Meh, didn¦t bother to read the thread as I¦m sure it¦s mainly the usual reverent attitude towards womyn. This time you are wrong. Yeah, its a pretty interesting thread, I must admit. I guess the trolls have nothing to contribute to this thread. On the other hand, I DO admit that, even if it proves to be only bad prejudice on part of ivar R'dhak, there IS a theory (which I think is correct), that all men are originally born instinctual womanizers, with society programming (morals, feminist ideas of men having to urinate while seated and being supplicating and, yeah, reverent towards women) muting all those natural instincts and replacing them with the subservant state of mind most men exhibit today. Of course, I also think (and this may make me a bit unpopular, but I risk it for the sake of speaking my own truth, heh) that the easy availability of adult materials on the internet nowadays leads more men into draining all their precious, hm, yang energy by means of easy gratification (which lowers testosterone levels, btw, therefore reducing male charisma and vibrance in the process), so there is a lower need of interacting with the other sex, as well as a lower chance of success when doing so (leaving out side effects like reduced motivation to do other manly stuff, which is scientifically proven to some extent). Flirting in itself is the process (basically) of teasing, being a bit **y while being funny at the same time, all good stuff, but frowned upon by this "zomg you must be nice to the girls and don't fight with boys, because this is macho behaviour" society we live in. It is easily identifyable by the word "macho" carrying a negative, even derogative, conotation I strongly disagree with. "Macho" is, from my point of view, nothing more than a description for a strong willed man with high self esteem who knows what he wants from life and does what it is necessary to acquire it. This is, in my honest opinion, what is the nature of yang. Natural man usually needs no dating advice, modern man needs it. Being a sexual, confident man who is socially savvy is, a I said before in this thread, enoug,h but also absolutely vital, to attracting women. Nothing else is needed, no magic, no lines, no sports cars, not even wearing eau de toilet (as long as you have good hygiene, of course). So success with women starts with accepting ones own identity as a natural man, building up a social life and getting something one feels passion for. --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!**
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.08 16:31:00 - [93] Edited by: Tarminic on 08/07/2008 16:31:47 Originally by: Doc Extropy On the other hand, I DO admit that, even if it proves to be only bad prejudice on part of ivar R'dhak, there IS a theory (which I think is correct), that all men are originally born instinctual womanizers, with society programming (morals, feminist ideas of men having to urinate while seated and being supplicating and, yeah, reverent towards women) muting all those natural instincts and replacing them with the subservant state of mind most men exhibit today. I think that "instinctual womanizers" is a but much, but biologically we're designed to inseminate as many women as possible first and remaining loyal to a single companion second. I'd say that from a biological perspective, the best approach would be to inseminate many women but concentrate on the care of one particular set of children, maximizing the number of successful offspring. Quote: Of course, I also think (and this may make me a bit unpopular, but I risk it for the sake of speaking my own truth, heh) that the easy availability of adult materials on the internet nowadays leads more men into draining all their precious, hm, yang energy by means of easy gratification (which lowers testosterone levels, btw, therefore reducing male charisma and vibrance in the process), so there is a lower need of interacting with the other sex, as well as a lower chance of success when doing so (leaving out side effects like reduced motivation to do other manly stuff, which is scientifically proven to some extent). Really, does frequency of ********** have a noticable effect on testosterone levels? Interesting, if so. Quote: Flirting in itself is the process (basically) of teasing, being a bit y while being funny at the same time, all good stuff, but frowned upon by this "zomg you must be nice to the girls and don't fight with boys, because this is macho behaviour" society we live in. Now hold on here. There's nothing wrong with being confident in yourself, but there's a big difference between that and just being a jerk. Unfortunately the "being a jerk" technique is fairly effective in the short term, though usually it's unable to sustain a relationship for long (except possibly abusive relationships or if the partner has a very low self esteem). Quote: It is easily identifyable by the word "macho" carrying a negative, even derogative, conotation I strongly disagree with. "Macho" is, from my point of view, nothing more than a description for a strong willed man with high self esteem who knows what he wants from life and does what it is necessary to acquire it. This is, in my honest opinion, what is the nature of yang. I don't think that's the accepted definition of "macho" for most people, however. Macho (in the context I know it) usually refers to someone who exaggerates their sense of manliness and dominance to the point of making poor decisions as a result of it. For example, someone who is "macho" might pick a fight with someone over a non-issue because he believes not doing so is damaging to his reputation as a dominant male. Also, "knowing what you want from life and doing what it is necessary to acquire it" is a bit vague, to be honest. At what point do you forsake something you want because what is necessary to acquire it violates a moral or legal code? EDIT: Why is ******** censured?! THE FORUMS ARE NOT TEN CCP! ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)**
Amarr outcast	Posted - 2008.07.08 16:56:00 - [94] Ask to be her Myspace friend! Find out one of her interests and become interested in that so you'll have something to talk about. Give us updates on how your progress is going. If no progress yet, then make progress, and tell us about it.
Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.08 17:11:00 - [95] No, I really meant that all behaviourial patterns needed to seduce women are genetically encoded into men, they are just suppressed by social programming. And yes, easy gratification by your own hands lowers testosterone levels, while having sexual intercourse makes them higher, also having regular sexual intercourse boosts sexual confidence levels and, believe me, women SENSE that. No, being a jerk is not necessary, it is only PART of jerk behaviour patterns that make them interesting to women... but they override the effect of all negative behaviour the jerk shows. Question remains, to be honest, why a man with options would even consider going into a monogamous relationship in the first place, but this is another topic, this is by far too advanced stuff to discuss here. There ARE working alternative lifestyles besides the now commonplace serial monogamy that DO work, to start with. Having said that I'd say... take an educated look from a evolutionary psychologists perspective on jerk behaviour, remove all antisocial components and violent patterns and you have a good model of a naturally attractive man. Originally by: "Tarminic" don't think that's the accepted definition of "macho" for most people, however. Macho (in the context I know it) usually refers to someone who exaggerates their sense of manliness and dominance to the point of making poor decisions as a result of it. For example, someone who is "macho" might pick a fight with someone over a non-issue because he believes not doing so is damaging to his reputation as a dominant male. This describes idiocy, and I BELIEVE that it was this what the term "macho" meant when it came into society, and I DO agree that this is absolutely intolerable behaviour. But... imagine the following situation... it happened for real... Went to a pub with a few friends, we wanted to occupy a table for us, some women standing by, one of their beers on the table... I took this beer, gave it to the woman who appeared to own it (it was the only one without a glass in her hand), asked her "is this yours" while gaving her a straight, confident gaze and without waiting for an answer... and turned away. Well, result was them calling me macho, but they got even closer to us and stroke up a nice, lengthy (and somewhat productive) conversation afterwards. They were in their 30s, mature women, not those giggling twens you would possibly EXPECT to react to some direct display of dominant male behaviour. Yeah, I was behaving macho, but I did it in a confident way, had friends with me (you can't imagine how much women HATE loners running around, approaching them, unbelievable) and never hesitated for a second to believe in what I did was justified. Beware, if I HAD hesitations... they would sense it and it would not have worked. It's a question of the inner dialogue, this can be trained, but it's a slow process that takes months, even years. THIS is how stuff works. Guys who appear naturally confident with women have acquired this level of confidence in their youth by, for example, being the dominant males on the playground or by laying the prom queen a few years later, whatever... Originally by: "Tarminic" Also, "knowing what you want from life and doing what it is necessary to acquire it" is a bit vague, to be honest. At what point do you forsake something you want because what is necessary to acquire it violates a moral or legal code? QFT! Of course, common sense is an important tool to assess if means are acceptable. Yes, chatting up RANDOM women you like in the street IS acceptable. No, smashing a bottle over their boyfriends head is NOT! I guess you catch my drift now. --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!
Eternal Error Exitus Acta Probant	Posted - 2008.07.08 17:30:00 - [96] There have been NO studies linking ********** and testosterone levels. There was one where people abstained for 7 days and it rose slowly, then dropped sharply on the eigth day. However, the overall changes were very small (almost irrelevant). Other than that, I am not aware of any studies. Besides, sex or **********, you're ejaculating, so why would there be a difference? Correct me if I'm wrong whoever said this, but post some references and/or studies, cause I'm pretty certain you are incorrect.
Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.08 17:38:00 - [97] Originally by: Eternal Error There have been NO studies linking ********** and testosterone levels. There was one where people abstained for 7 days and it rose slowly, then dropped sharply on the eigth day. However, the overall changes were very small (almost irrelevant). Other than that, I am not aware of any studies. Besides, sex or ********, you're ejaculating, so why would there be a difference? Correct me if I'm wrong whoever said this, but post some references and/or studies, cause I'm pretty certain you are incorrect. Yes, I will go and have a look at it. On the other hand, a self experiment would be enough... abstain 3 weeks and go out with one or two friends, approach random women, the results are astonishing from this measure alone. Also, if you are fully satisfied on a superficial level you are not as motivated to stay in conversations, to get things physical, to get a deep connection with a woman. After self gratification your are... low, relaxed. What I forgot to say, and I'm a bit sorry about it, was that adult materials also have four more negative side effects: a) Desensitizing against the subtle signs of interest women DO send out and b) Making women seem even more unattainable and c) On some level it simulates "having a girlfriend" for the subconsciousness and d) Heightening your standards to an unrealistic level... most women displayed in adult materials are FAR ABOVE (by means of image processing as well, of course) what is out there "in the wild" --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!**
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.08 17:44:00 - [98] Originally by: Doc Extropy What I forgot to say, and I'm a bit sorry about it, was that adult materials also have four more negative side effects: a) Desensitizing against the subtle signs of interest women DO send out b) Making women seem even more unattainable c) On some level it simulates "having a girlfriend" for the subconsciousness d) Heightening your standards to an unrealistic level... most women displayed in adult materials are FAR ABOVE (by means of image processing as well, of course) what is out there "in the wild" QFMFT. You'd be amazed what some guys consider "average." ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.08 17:45:00 - [99] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Doc Extropy What I forgot to say, and I'm a bit sorry about it, was that adult materials also have four more negative side effects: a) Desensitizing against the subtle signs of interest women DO send out b) Making women seem even more unattainable c) On some level it simulates "having a girlfriend" for the subconsciousness d) Heightening your standards to an unrealistic level... most women displayed in adult materials are FAR ABOVE (by means of image processing as well, of course) what is out there "in the wild" QFMFT. You'd be amazed what some guys consider "average." No, I KNOW. Believe me. --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.07.08 18:15:00 - [100] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 08/07/2008 18:20:46 Well I read the whole thread before I decide to make a comment. About all I can say is that Doc has pretty much hit most everything pretty thoroughly. I can say that since most of what he said I put into practice in my early 20's and most everything he siad i have tried and they work. About the only thing that I can add, as it has to do with what makes a women attractive to you, is do not limit yourself to much on physicalities. I personally can find something very attractive in many women, baring the fact that I am utterly disgusted by the extemely obese or anorexic skinny. The more you allow yourself to be attracted to different types of women will allow you to practice more frequently without hints of repression or lack of confidence. EDIT: Take my advice once things with this young lady reach a termination stage. Slade

Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.08 18:19:00 - [101] Originally by: Slade Trillgon Well I read the whole thread before I decide to make a comment. About all I can say is that Doc has pretty much hit most everything pretty thoroughly. I can say that since most of what he said I put into practice in my early 20's and most everything he siad i have tried and they work. About the only thing that I can add, as it has to do with what makes a women attractive to you, is do not limit yourself to much on physicalities. I personally can find something very attractive in many women, baring the fact that I am utterly disgusted by the extemely obese or anorexic skinny. The more you allow yourself to be attracted to different types of women will allow you to practice more frequently without hints of repression or lack of confidence. Slade QFT. ...and experience the joy of interaction (sexually as well as nonsexually) with different kinds of women... soft ones, mean ones (a strong willed amazon can be VERY arousing when you're grown enough dominance and confidence yourself), etc... --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.07.08 18:26:00 - [102] Originally by: Doc Extropy (a strong willed amazon can be VERY arousing when you're grown enough dominance and confidence yourself), etc... I worked with a Division 1 collegiate basketball team and there is one on that team that I am so friggan attracted to. My goal is to get her to do something with me, the trouble is that she will at the least have to be talked into a state of bisexualness before I can get anywhere with her. I like challenges Slade
Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.08 18:29:00 - [103] Originally by: Slade Trillgon Originally by: Doc Extropy (a strong willed amazon can be VERY arousing when you're grown enough dominance and confidence yourself), etc... I worked with a Division 1 collegiate basketball team and there is one on that team that I am so friggan attracted to. My goal is to get her to do something with me, the trouble is that she will at the least have to be talked into a state of bisexualness before I can get anywhere with her. I like challenges Slade Oh yes... do you know Stephane? If not, nevermind, but if this name rings a bell, I suppose this guy has some seriously interesting stuff about exactly what you are going to try to accomplish. Btw, never was in that situation myself before, I'm far from being at the level required to screen for bisexuality or instilling it, but of course I plan to move into this direction as well. Regular threesomes 4tw. --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.07.08 18:38:00 - [104] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 08/07/2008 18:39:14 Originally by: Doc Extropy Originally by: Slade Trillgon Originally by: Doc Extropy (a strong willed amazon can be VERY arousing when you're grown enough dominance and confidence yourself), etc... I worked with a Division 1 collegiate basketball team and there is one on that team that I am so friggan attracted to. My goal is to get her to do something with me, the trouble is that she will at the least have to be talked into a state of bisexualness before I can get anywhere with her. I like challenges Slade Oh yes... do you know Stephane? If not, nevermind, but if this name rings a bell, I suppose this guy has some seriously interesting stuff about exactly what you are going to try to accomplish. Btw, never was in that situation myself before, I'm far from being at the level required to screen for bisexuality or instilling it, but of course I plan to move into this direction as well. Regular threesomes 4tw. Well Stephanie does not ring a bell. Oh well. Actually I am not to worried about my chances. Most of the lesbians loved me and one decided to cross back over the tracks for me after working with the softball team for a semester. I new I had her reelled in when I saw her eyes when I was holding the Assistant Athletic Directors baby when she needed to do something on the field. That being said, another thing to point out is to always pay attention to womens eyes, they tell many secrets. Slade
Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.08 18:48:00 - [105] If you manage to do so, I would be VERY interested in a few hints, I will not use that info in near term, but every bit helps when the time comes. Yeah, the eyes... ;) --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.07.08 18:56:00 - [106] Originally by: Doc Extropy If you manage to do so, I would be VERY interested in a few hints, I will not use that info in near term, but every bit helps when the time comes. Yeah, the eyes... ;) As for hints, as I said before, you pretty much hit the nails on the head. As for getting chances with lesbians, I think what I had going for me was that they were forced to be around me many hours of the day for 3.5 years. When you apply many of the things you pointed out in previous posts in this thread it is hard for even the staunchest lesbian to hold true to her male bashing dogmas for very long. I mean the softball girl slowly had her relationship with a women evaporate over the semster I traveled with them and the ex still found it hard to not have a good time when I was around; even though she didn't want to have one. The funny thing was that I saw the relationship falling apart for 2 months and I let the cards fall, they just happened to fall right into my lap . Slade
Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.08 19:01:00 - [107] Originally by: Slade Trillgon Originally by: Doc Extropy If you manage to do so, I would be VERY interested in a few hints, I will not use that info in near term, but every bit helps when the time comes. Yeah, the eyes... ;) As for hints, as I said before, you pretty much hit the nails on the head. As for getting chances with lesbians, I think what I had going for me was that they were forced to be around me many hours of the day for 3.5 years. When you apply many of the things you pointed out in previous posts in this thread it is hard for even the staunchest lesbian to hold true to her male bashing dogmas for very long. I mean the softball girl slowly had her relationship with a women evaporate over the semster I traveled with them and the ex still found it hard to not have a good time when I was around; even though she didn't want to have one. The funny thing was that I saw the relationship falling apart for 2 months and I let the cards fall, they just happened to fall right into my lap . Slade Hm, yeah... at the moment I DO have some female friends who are lesbians, but I keep this intentionally on a platonic stage... it is relaxing sometimes going out with women just to chat, have a few beer, shoot a few balls at the billard table and... philosoph about women. Not that one of them would interest me... most are butches, but what happens if I ever meet my Alyssa (Chasing Amy 4tw). :D --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.08 19:58:00 - [108] Originally by: Slade Trillgon Originally by: Doc Extropy If you manage to do so, I would be VERY interested in a few hints, I will not use that info in near term, but every bit helps when the time comes. Yeah, the eyes... ;) As for hints, as I said before, you pretty much hit the nails on the head. As for getting chances with lesbians, I think what I had going for me was that they were forced to be around me many hours of the day for 3.5 years. When you apply many of the things you pointed out in previous posts in this thread it is hard for even the staunchest lesbian to hold true to her male bashing dogmas for very long. I mean the softball girl slowly had her relationship with a women evaporate over the semster I traveled with them and the ex still found it hard to not have a good time when I was around; even though she didn't want to have one. The funny thing was that I saw the relationship falling apart for 2 months and I let the cards fall, they just happened to fall right into my lap . Please be sure to differentiate between "lesbian" and "bisexual." There are plenty of girls that play for both teams, but you shouldn't confuse them. Women who are legitimately completely uninterested in the opposite sex get really annoyed by guys who try and "convert" them. Originally by: Doc Extropy Hm, yeah... at the moment I DO have some female friends who are lesbians, but I keep this intentionally on a platonic stage... it is relaxing sometimes going out with women just to chat, have a few beer, shoot a few balls at the billard table and... philosoph about women. Agreed. It's kind of fun to hang out with them, especially when both of you can ogle the same people. I like being able to hang out with girls where flirting/romantic stuff isn't even part of the equation. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.07.08 20:29:00 - [109] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 08/07/2008 20:29:40 Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Slade Trillgon Originally by: Doc Extropy If you manage to do so, I would be VERY interested in a few hints, I will not use that info in near term, but every bit helps when the time comes. Yeah, the eyes... ;) As for hints, as I said before, you pretty much hit the nails on the head. As for getting chances with lesbians, I think what I had going for me was that they were forced to be around me many hours of the day for 3.5 years. When you apply many of the things you pointed out in previous posts in this thread it is hard for even the staunchest lesbian to hold true to her male bashing dogmas for very long. I mean the softball girl slowly had her relationship with a women evaporate over the semster I traveled with them and the ex still found it hard to not have a good time when I was around; even though she didn't want to have one. The funny thing was that I saw the relationship falling apart for 2 months and I let the cards fall, they just happened to fall right into my lap . Please be sure to differentiate between "lesbian" and "bisexual." There are plenty of girls that play for both teams, but you shouldn't confuse them. Women who are legitimately completely uninterested in the opposite sex get really annoyed by guys who try and "convert" them. Originally by: Doc Extropy Hm, yeah... at the moment I DO have some female friends who are lesbians, but I keep this intentionally on a platonic stage... it is relaxing sometimes going out with women just to chat, have a few beer, shoot a few balls at the billard table and... philosoph about women. Agreed. It's kind of fun to hang out with them, especially when both of you can ogle the same people. I like being able to hang out with girls where flirting/romantic stuff isn't even part of the equation. Trust me I know that there is a difference between lesbians and bisexuals. But I also hate it when people just one handedly say, that for a fact that one can only be gay, straight, or bisexual. Not that there aren't individuals that do represent the full ends of the spectrum, but remember sexuality is a spectrum, and like most things most people work somewhere in the middle regions whether or not they realize it or not. Women just tend to be more aware of this spectrum then men do To Doc, whether or not a womanÆs past puts her into a realm of gay or bi, if there is a connection it will be recognized the same way if it was with a woman that is straight. The way you try to initiate the attraction is done in the same way you stated for "straight" women. Do not act like an ass, be a gentleman, be funny, be caring, be a little macho/assertive, and most importantly BE REAL. I did not go into things saying I was going to make the player like me, I was just myself and she slowly came my way, completely unintentional. Till that point she had dated a few guys but never got anything out of them. She gave me a chance, we had a blast till I left Florida, and she is now back with women. As for being with a girl with past "gay" tendencies it is imperative that you are not to be the one to ask for any type of threesome!!! That is a question that most guys hesitate to ask their "straight" girl friends. If you ask a girl, that you know has been with girls, to be a with you and another girl, you instantly turn right into what most "lesbians" hate, a male schovanist pig that is only interested in sex. Slade
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2008.07.08 21:22:00 - [110] There's a simple mathematical equation that I've found applicable to all women in my life. women + alcohol + cameras = whatever your heart desires. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony

Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.08 23:07:00 - [111] Slade, thank you for your thoughts and advice, I appreciate it VERY MUCH. --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.07.08 23:33:00 - [112] Originally by: Doc Extropy Slade, thank you for your thoughts and advice, I appreciate it VERY MUCH. Much thanks for the thanks. I didn't even intend to post anything and that is why I read the whole thread and then ended up posting. I would have said all the same things you said all but verbatim and I thought that warranted my post of agreement to support what you were saying. As I type I can not even remeber how this started, lmao, long days/nights at work. Good luck to Siberys and heed the words that Doc put forth earlier. Slade
Dirtee Girl Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.07.09 00:49:00 - [113] don't tell her about eve ... at all * *
Siberys	Posted - 2008.07.09 01:49:00 - [114] Originally by: Pwett There's a simple mathematical equation that I've found applicable to all women in my life. women + alcohol + cameras = whatever your heart desires. Here the simple equation for ME though: women + alcohol = possibly jail, and getting grounded till I'm frakking 18.
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.07.09 02:47:00 - [115] Originally by: Siberys Originally by: Pwett There's a simple mathematical equation that I've found applicable to all women in my life. women + alcohol + cameras = whatever your heart desires. Here the simple equation for ME though: women + alcohol = possibly jail, and getting grounded till I'm frakking 18. LMAO!!! Well from what I have read. You + alcohol = jail. You do not even need to add women to it. Slade
Siberys	Posted - 2008.07.09 11:24:00 - [116] Which gets us to a very simple message : DRUGS R BAD!
Drumul Oaselor	Posted - 2008.07.09 11:29:00 - [117] I got a lot of strange advice from ppl, some said to be agressive etc. but I say be cool, ask what's up then ask if she'd like to go do something sometime, such as... (insert activity here) just don't make it nerdy, no video games etc., but something fun, depends on what's going on in your area I like to look girls in the eyes a lot, instant attraction creation, just don't stare like a psycho, be this guy , not this guy
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.07.09 11:58:00 - [118] Originally by: Siberys Which gets us to a very simple message : DRUGS R BAD! Drugs are good mkay. Just not in massive quantities and after you having finished developing Wait. Did I jsut say that. Do Not Use Drugs. However, naturally occuring plants and liquid chemicals are fun once your head is in the right place. So to speak. Slade
ivar R'dhak STK Scientific	Posted - 2008.07.12 19:28:00 - [119] Well whatever you think or learn about the tips in this thread, mind this: Never give her the keys to your balls! (link slightly metaphorical ) She¦ll always lie and hide them! _ Mal-`Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-¦Big damn heroes sir.¦ Mal-¦Aint we just.¦
hall monitor	Posted - 2008.07.13 01:52:00 - [120] Depends on whether you are a male or a female. Male: Strike up a conversation...take her to dinner...buy flowers...whisper sweet nothings into her ears...get her jewelry and stuff...etc...etc... Female: Show up naked with beer.

Terianna Eri Amarr Terianna Eri Corp	Posted - 2008.07.13 02:09:00 - [121] Three simple rules: Be handsome. Be attractive. Don't be unattractive. __________________________________ Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
Ryan Scouse'UK omen. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.07.13 03:43:00 - [122] Three simple rules: Be handsome. Be attractive. Don't be unattractive. # Of course this only works if ur as good looking as me,, prob 1 of the best looking ex eve players but anyways yer.. I normaly just ask a girl for a kiss followed by her phone number & her name.. if ya dont ask you dont get.. girls luv it when you just ask them for a kiss or say there fit or whatever to there face.. perhaps am to forward but am good looking enuff to get away with it, are you ? no EVE related content in signature. ~Weatherman
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.13 05:53:00 - [123] Originally by: Ryan Scouse'UK Three simple rules: Be handsome. Be attractive. Don't be unattractive. # Of course this only works if ur as good looking as me,, prob 1 of the best looking ex eve players but anyways yer.. I normaly just ask a girl for a kiss followed by her phone number & her name.. if ya dont ask you dont get.. girls luv it when you just ask them for a kiss or say there fit or whatever to there face.. perhaps am to forward but am good looking enuff to get away with it, are you ? And so humble, too! ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.07.13 08:51:00 - [124] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 13/07/2008 08:51:19 Originally by: Tarminic And so humble, too! I dont think girls like humble guys anyway. I cant remember when the humble guy got the girl. --- Its dead, Jim.
Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.13 09:02:00 - [125] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 13/07/2008 08:51:19 Originally by: Tarminic And so humble, too! I dont think girls like humble guys anyway. I cant remember when the humble guy got the girl. Indeed. Originally by: "Stephane Hemon" Oh, stop being so HUMBLE... Humble sucks. It's boring, it's meaningless, and it's annoying. You don't need it; you can let Humble go now. Flowers are not "humble"! They stretch up toward the sun and seem to say, "Look at me, I'm beautiful!" My CAT is certainly NOT HUMBLE. He struts his stuff and women FLOCK to him. They walk right past me and go straight to him. My cat has no Approach Anxiety whatsoever. (Please note that I'm not bashing TRUE humble-ness. Most people ACT humble and then secretly feel proud about it.) This is, I guess, the real truth about "humbleness". ** it. --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!**
Shirley Serious Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.07.13 10:06:00 - [126] These things are good: Self confidence, like wearing a pink shirt without being self conscious. Having opinions and being able to express them coherently - shows ability to think. Able to make decisions but listens to opinions - doesn't leave it to me to decide everything. Showing interest in other people, and having something to do, like a hobby, during the day and able to talk about it - it's nice to make small talk. Feeling safe in their company. Physical things like broad shoulders, square faces etc, are less important, but having energy to do things is important. These things aren't: Complete devotion, I don't want a puppy. Overprotectiveness, it's suffocating. Neediness Arrogance
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.07.13 10:21:00 - [127] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 13/07/2008 10:21:38 Originally by: Shirley Serious These things are good: Self confidence, like wearing a pink shirt without being self conscious. Having opinions and being able to express them coherently - shows ability to think. Able to make decisions but listens to opinions - doesn't leave it to me to decide everything. Showing interest in other people, and having something to do, like a hobby, during the day and able to talk about it - it's nice to make small talk. Feeling safe in their company. Sounds like me, even though I leave it up to other men to wear pink shirts... --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
Victor Valka Caldari Kissaki Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.13 11:36:00 - [128] This is how I read this. Originally by: Shirley Serious These things are good: Self confidence, like wearing a pink shirt without being self conscious. Having opinions and being able to express them coherently - shows ability to think. Able to make decisions but listens to opinions - doesn't leave it to me to decide everything. Showing interest in other people, and having something to do, like a hobby, during the day and able to talk about it - it's nice to make small talk. Feeling safe in their company. This is everything women are not good at. So men have to be. Originally by: Shirley Serious [...]having energy to do things is important. Do things that are important to women, and only those! No. I don't think I will. Thank you. Originally by: Shirley Serious These things aren't: Complete devotion, I don't want a puppy. Overprotectiveness, it's suffocating. Neediness Arrogance These are things women are good at. They don't like men infringing upon their territory. Thanks for the LOLs. Originally by: Roxanna Kell You are insane.
Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.13 12:29:00 - [129] Hm, while women sometimes are very arrogant (I call this the **ole - mode), they do this to get rid of, hm, accomodating nice guys in the first place who can't stand even the slightest bit of resistance. Women are VERY keen about testing a guys resolve and dominance, you can see this arrogance (after approaching) and brattyness (when you are finally talking to them) as tests for your manliness. Both are, tbh, easy to overcome... be strong and confident... well, this is the short version. The long version is: You have to internalize: a) That you are worthy man, someone who went through hardships and challenges, someone who can handle himself and his life. b) That you own your own strength. Your willpower is your greatest gift, this is what makes you a man. c) Women are attracted TO MEN, not boys. Being a MAN is, in itself, attractive enough, the rest of this is to show her that you are normal, threedimensional, socially savvy and (at some point when she has "earned" it by other things than her looks) sexually interested in her ("wow... you are not only sexy, but also a great conversationalist" to take a popular example). --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!**
Shirley Serious Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.07.13 12:37:00 - [130] Originally by: Victor Valka Originally by: Shirley Serious [...]having energy to do things is important. Do things that are important to women, and only those! No. I don't think I will. Thank you. Hmm? I'm meaning that I don't expect them to be olympic athletes, but I'd like someone who doesn't complain about being tired all the time, and says they don't have the energy to go out of an evening. Quote: Thanks for the LOLs. So, I like manly men, not girly men. What's lol about that?

Ka'el Devwik The Archaeological Squirrel Society	Posted - 2008.07.13 13:51:00 - [131] Watch this vid? Supposedly the guy is very good but tbh I found it boring Originally by: Reven Cordelle Failing that. Equip : Balls and ask her if she wants to hang out
Victor Valka Caldari Kissaki Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.13 16:55:00 - [132] Originally by: Shirley Serious Hmm? I'm meaning that I don't expect them to be olympic athletes, but I'd like someone who doesn't complain about being tired all the time, and says they don't have the energy to go out of an evening. Us men do this thing called work, to us, that means spending 50+ hours/week at the office/warehouse/factory. We do this to earn money and status. Amongst us men, it is understood that this makes us tired. Personally, least I want to do when tired is go to a job interview I have to pay to attend. Originally by: Shirley Serious So, I like manly men, not girly men. What's lol about that? More LOLs. Originally by: Roxanna Kell You are insane.
Victor Valka Caldari Kissaki Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.13 17:05:00 - [133] Originally by: Doc Extropy Women are VERY keen about testing a guys resolve and dominance, you can see this arrogance (after approaching) and brattyness (when you are finally talking to them) as tests for your manliness. I see those as test to check if I'll put up with their bullshit. I won't. I refuse. After a woman has given me favorable signs showing that I may approach her, I expect the situation to go uphill and be pleasant for both involved. Of course, either side can still break off if they find that the other partner is not to their liking after all. That's a given. The crux of it is - you do not test people with negative stimulation. Originally by: Roxanna Kell You are insane.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.07.13 17:36:00 - [134] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 13/07/2008 17:37:12 Originally by: Victor Valka Originally by: Shirley Serious Hmm? I'm meaning that I don't expect them to be olympic athletes, but I'd like someone who doesn't complain about being tired all the time, and says they don't have the energy to go out of an evening. Us men do this thing called work, to us, that means spending 50+ hours/week at the office/warehouse/factory. We do this to earn money and status. Amongst us men, it is understood that this makes us tired. Personally, least I want to do when tired is go to a job interview I have to pay to attend. Women dont work in your world? They do here where I live - a lot. My boss at my work is a female. Not only is she the manager of the whole thing, she also brings her kids to school and back and takes care of them while excelling at her high stress position at work. I realize that some women are lazy and unemployed, but so are a lot of men. --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.13 17:43:00 - [135] Originally by: Victor Valka Originally by: Shirley Serious Hmm? I'm meaning that I don't expect them to be olympic athletes, but I'd like someone who doesn't complain about being tired all the time, and says they don't have the energy to go out of an evening. Us men do this thing called work, to us, that means spending 50+ hours/week at the office/warehouse/factory. We do this to earn money and status. Amongst us men, it is understood that this makes us tired. Personally, least I want to do when tired is go to a job interview I have to pay to attend. What part of the world do you live in, exactly? ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
Victor Valka Caldari Kissaki Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.13 18:35:00 - [136] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Victor Valka Originally by: Shirley Serious Hmm? I'm meaning that I don't expect them to be olympic athletes, but I'd like someone who doesn't complain about being tired all the time, and says they don't have the energy to go out of an evening. Us men do this thing called work, to us, that means spending 50+ hours/week at the office/warehouse/factory. We do this to earn money and status. Amongst us men, it is understood that this makes us tired. Personally, least I want to do when tired is go to a job interview I have to pay to attend. What part of the world do you live in, exactly? Eastern/Northern Europe. Depending on whom you believe. Originally by: Roxanna Kell You are insane.
Victor Valka Caldari Kissaki Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.13 18:46:00 - [137] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 13/07/2008 17:37:12 Originally by: Victor Valka Originally by: Shirley Serious Hmm? I'm meaning that I don't expect them to be olympic athletes, but I'd like someone who doesn't complain about being tired all the time, and says they don't have the energy to go out of an evening. Us men do this thing called work, to us, that means spending 50+ hours/week at the office/warehouse/factory. We do this to earn money and status. Amongst us men, it is understood that this makes us tired. Personally, least I want to do when tired is go to a job interview I have to pay to attend. Women dont work in your world? They do here where I live - a lot. My boss at my work is a female. Not only is she the manager of the whole thing, she also brings her kids to school and back and takes care of them while excelling at her high stress position at work. I realize that some women are lazy and unemployed, but so are a lot of men. Of course women work in my world. 90% of employees at my workplace are women. Some of them work high level/high stress management jobs. And for them, I have nothing but respect. I've worked with them for long enough to see that they get the job done and they get it done good, but most importantly - they know what it takes it get it done. Then there is a large number of women who seem to think that work gets done auto-magically and feel entitled to whine when going gets a little tough. Those are the ones I'm attacking here. Unfortunately, the later is far more common then the former. Originally by: Roxanna Kell You are insane.
Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.13 21:38:00 - [138] Edited by: Doc Extropy on 13/07/2008 21:39:57 Originally by: Victor Valka Originally by: Doc Extropy Women are VERY keen about testing a guys resolve and dominance, you can see this arrogance (after approaching) and brattyness (when you are finally talking to them) as tests for your manliness. I see those as test to check if I'll put up with their bullshit. I won't. I refuse. After a woman has given me favorable signs showing that I may approach her, I expect the situation to go uphill and be pleasant for both involved. Of course, either side can still break off if they find that the other partner is not to their liking after all. That's a given. The crux of it is - you do not test people with negative stimulation. Heh, personally I even FORCE those congruency tests out of women, because: a) Contrary to popular belief, they ARE a sign of sexual interest b) If you pass (and with the right mindset it is not THAT difficult, also contrary to popular belief 'n' whines) you get an enormous boost in female to male attraction c) It is good practice Situation I was in a few months ago, was in a club with a few friends, a very cute chick (about 22 or 23, blonde) standing next to me... Doc Extropy: "Who are you?" Girl: "What a stupid question..." (looking away) - this was the test! Doc Extropy (reaching for her hand): "I don't care. Turn around for me." Held her hand, turned her around so I could check her out from all sides... then... Girl: "omg." (blushes and gives me THE look) Doc Extropy: "yeah." Kiss. Not beginners stuff, tbh... but doable with a little practice. --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!
Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.13 21:41:00 - [139] Originally by: Victor Valka Then there is a large number of women who seem to think that work gets done auto-magically and feel entitled to whine when going gets a little tough. Those are the ones I'm attacking here. You will always get what you believe you will get. --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!
Shirley Serious Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.07.13 21:44:00 - [140] Originally by: Victor Valka Then there is a large number of women who seem to think that work gets done auto-magically and feel entitled to whine when going gets a little tough. Those are the ones I'm attacking here. And you see such women here? 5 days a week, I'm up at 6am, work 8-5 for the council parks&gardens service, and still have enough energy to go out for 2-3 hours in the evening if I feel like it. Other people at the depot just sit about in the evening. That's not so good.

Victor Valka Caldari Kissaki Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.14 04:52:00 - [141] Originally by: Shirley Serious And you see such women here? 5 days a week, I'm up at 6am, work 8-5 for the council parks&gardens service, and still have enough energy to go out for 2-3 hours in the evening if I feel like it. Other people at the depot just sit about in the evening. That's not so good. Are you insane? I only see pixels. Originally by: Roxanna Kell You are insane.
Victor Valka Caldari Kissaki Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.14 05:13:00 - [142] Originally by: Doc Extropy Edited by: Doc Extropy on 13/07/2008 21:39:57 Originally by: Victor Valka Originally by: Doc Extropy Women are VERY keen about testing a guys resolve and dominance, you can see this arrogance (after approaching) and brattyness (when you are finally talking to them) as tests for your manliness. I see those as test to check if I'll put up with their bullshit. I won't. I refuse. After a woman has given me favorable signs showing that I may approach her, I expect the situation to go uphill and be pleasant for both involved. Of course, either side can still break off if they find that the other partner is not to their liking after all. That's a given. The crux of it is - you do not test people with negative stimulation. Heh, personally I even FORCE those congruency tests out of women, because: a) Contrary to popular belief, they ARE a sign of sexual interest b) If you pass (and with the right mindset it is not THAT difficult, also contrary to popular belief 'n' whines) you get an enormous boost in female to male attraction c) It is good practice Situation I was in a few months ago, was in a club with a few friends, a very cute chick (about 22 or 23, blonde) standing next to me... Doc Extropy: "Who are you?" Girl: "What a stupid question..." (looking away) - this was the test! Doc Extropy (reaching for her hand): "I don't care. Turn around for me." Held her hand, turned her around so I could check her out from all sides... then... Girl: "omg." (blushes and gives me THE look) Doc Extropy: "yeah." Kiss. Not beginners stuff, tbh... but doable with a little practice. I see that our approaches are vastly different and I know that yours does work. Lets leave it at that. Originally by: Roxanna Kell You are insane.
Siberys	Posted - 2008.07.14 23:56:00 - [143] Well, I would like to thank everyone who posted decent advice (As in all of you except like 2) for all the help you've given me. Can't wait to test it out... just gotta get through the summer, or find out if the girl I like is in town for the summer.
Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.15 07:30:00 - [144] Originally by: Siberys Well, I would like to thank everyone who posted decent advice (As in all of you except like 2) for all the help you've given me. Can't wait to test it out... just gotta get through the summer, or find out if the girl I like is in town for the summer. Don't. :D Approach EVERY girl you like. There are plenty fish in the sea and everyone of them is special and unique. Just give yourself the chances and build the skills in the process. Did it myself and it was very rewarding. Don't EVER get a fixation on a single woman, not even when you're in a relationship... polyamory (which is what I chose) may or may not be the way to go for you, but keeping your eyes open and senses sharp is always a good thing. Only thing you get out from fixation is frustration and a life of loneliness, had this once myself, never again... this is the real world, not Hollywood and not Disney. Welcome to the jungle. --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!
Robert Rosenberg Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.07.15 08:44:00 - [145] Do not date ever, give up now in advance and spare yourself the heartache. All that will happen is you will either A: Not like her, and dump her. B: Like her a lot, and get dumped by her. Are you going to marry her? No? Then there is a messy breakup in your future if you pursue it. Prostitutes are the better choice.
Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.15 08:51:00 - [146] Originally by: Robert Rosenberg Do not date ever, give up now in advance and spare yourself the heartache. All that will happen is you will either A: Not like her, and dump her. B: Like her a lot, and get dumped by her. Are you going to marry her? No? Then there is a messy breakup in your future if you pursue it. Prostitutes are the better choice. Trollposting 4tl. --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2008.07.15 09:14:00 - [147] Originally by: Doc Extropy LOL. Here's what to do, honestly... a) Be a bit arrogant, show active disinterest by not acknowleding how hot she is, but still you talk to her b) Befriend her friends c) Don't attempt to meet her alone... yet, instead use your brain to gather her together with friends, befriend them... oh, I said that before... nevermind, this IS important d) Stand upright, speak with a clear, low and projected voice, keep eyecontact e) Lower body movements to a minimum, radiate calmness and "being in control" f) Only start hitting on her when she gives you three signs of interest (like she plays with her hair, starts touching you and asks for your name) g) Topics to talk about: everything you are interested in, except bad and nerdy stuff like politics, religion, computer games h) Kiss her when she gave you enough signs of interest, lips only (makeout comes later) Most important: i) Treat her like your little sister, especially when she is bratty (and when she is interested in you she WILL be bratty). That is so pre-youtube-age ... Nowdays you need to: - have a cool profile on myspace/facebook/... - be a youtube star - then just mention her somewhere How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2008.07.15 09:15:00 - [148] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 13/07/2008 08:51:19 Originally by: Tarminic And so humble, too! I dont think girls like humble guys anyway. I cant remember when the humble guy got the girl. Right after he saved the world from aliens/the bad guys/... usually... How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.15 10:33:00 - [149] Opening you mouth and saying something more interesting than "Gah..." might help. Imagine she's just one of the gang and talk like you would to a mate. Don't try to be hard or put on some bravado act, she'll see right through it. Above all, don't lie, it will come back and bite you in the ass. If you want the best way to strike up a convo, find subject she's good at and ask if she would be willing to help you get better grades. Even if you're already fairly good at the subject yourself, you've broken the ice and you're now talking to her. You've also flattered her by suggesting she's better at the subject than you which is a good start.


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