I can't believe that you have suggested replacing rare and unique in-game items with Space Barbie clothes. Please leave my game.

.. stuff..

It's a game. Literally everything you own within it is useless, including your character. Some people enjoy getting killmails, others enjoy farming isk, and others still like collecting things. What exactly makes any one of those the right way to play the game, which is constantly labeled as a sandbox?

"If you ask politely maybe you should get it back" Would you have that same attitude if CCP deleted your account? They have every right to do that, as do any gaming company that run MMOs, are you telling me you wouldn't be upset?

Nope. Entity had more isk worth of items removed from him that I currently have isk. Hell, if I were to liquidate all my assets, and sell all my characters, I STILL wouldn't have enough to cover what entity lost because of a dev not double-checking his work, and I'd wager that neither would you.

The dev in question mistakenly deleted literally hundreds of billions of items that he wasn't supposed to. Had he done the reverse, GIVING players items worth that kind of money when he shouldn't have, we'd still be hearing about it years from now (here's lookin at you T20)

I'd say that stealing items from players is notably worse than giving them out, so why then shouldn't people be upset over this dev's screw up?

How exactly do the already in-game items affect balance at all? They useless in terms of performance. You're literally suggesting ccp fix the issue of collectible items by introducing different collectible items. How is that any different/better?

I played in a sandbox once when I was a kid. Thing is, I got expelled from Kindergarten because it just so happens this sandbox had rice in it and I decided to add water to the equation.

Hmm.. that one is actually harder to answer than you might think. I would care, but at the moment I am just paying to train skills and chat on the forums, and aside from a few purchases, I haven't done anything substantial in the game for quite awhile. Either way, it isn't a particularly good comparison given there is some difference between an account and a bunch of stuff in your hangar.

Yeah, farming ISK, (at least where it pertains to RMT, exploits, and botting), is bad or haven't you been keeping up with things? Mostly nobody cares about the exploits I guess, but the other two are quite frowned upon.

Stealing? How does this equal stealing? They were deleted while the Devs were trying to clean up the database. I suppose you've never had the experience of trying to clean something up? Still holding copies of every e-mail you've had since the invention of them are you? Imagine trying to sort through that and delete the spam.

Now you could argue that CCP has the right to take things from its subscribers, but then that same logic could be applied to literally everyone in the game, as stealing is allowed according to the game rules, meaning you've a right to do it within the limits of the game.

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Given your obvious lack of enthusiasm for my suggestions and opinions, I'll assume that you weren't quite level headed when you read this. My intent wasn't to imply the lost items hurt game balance, but rather to suggest that apparel as a replacement wasn't going to affect it either.

Minor deletions (zero-content posts removed). Please remember that the items in question were lost due to a technical fault GÇö there's no need to be uncivil towards those who are affected by it.

Minor deletions (zero-content posts removed). Please remember that the items in question were lost due to a technical fault GÇö there's no need to be uncivil towards those who are affected by it.

Hi,

Yes, this happened because of a thing that I did. We're looking at our options right now, but there are some other things I have to sort out first today. We'll get back to you!

-Greyscale

PS My player account owned both blueprints, I understand your pain.

Minor deletions (zero-content posts removed). Please remember that the items in question were lost due to a technical fault GÇö there's no need to be uncivil towards those who are affected by it.

I would also like to know about Capsules. They have been mentioned in the other thread, but no official comment was made. I purchased 2 not long ago.. Transported them via an alt, and traded them to this toon. They were in my hanger. I logged off, back on, and they were gone.

... bit bitter as wasn't around when certain (now rare and deleted items) were freely available in game ...

I would also like to know about Capsules. They have been mentioned in the other thread, but no official comment was made.

I purchased 2 not long ago.. Transported them via an alt, and traded them to this toon. They were in my hanger. I logged off, back on, and they were gone.

Is this intentional, or just some glitch ? I've petitioned over it, but have got no response [ petition made 10 days ago ].

If no one should have these, then I should never have been able to trade for them, or transport them. If you have now decided that we shouldn't have them, then we should be compensated. Why should WE be punished for purchasing something in game, only to have you decide that people shouldn't have them anymore ?

They were introduced into the game by you, CCP. Intentional or not.
They have remained in the game for all this time, with no statement saying that they are illegitimate, and may be removed.
You have allowed them to remain in game, allowed people to buy and trade for them. Removing them after that with no regard for that is rather disturbing.. And would be a kick in the balls to everyone in this sandbox.

I'm a little disturbed at how casually they were prepared to discard the extra blueprint data. If anyone researched those, that was still time they spent not researching something else. And it was put forth like it was no big deal that they would have lost that time. If you don't value every minute of time a player pays you to play this game then you are doing it wrong.

I'm a little disturbed at how casually they were prepared to discard the extra blueprint data. If anyone researched those, that was still time they spent not researching something else. And it was put forth like it was no big deal that they would have lost that time. If you don't value every minute of time a player pays you to play this game then you are doing it wrong.

As I've said before, most of us who had capsules still have them. I still have mine in a station warehouse. Some were just auctioned off on the sell orders section of the forum. If you had them and you no longer do, you should petition it. Their removal didn't (to my knowledge) have anything to do with the database because they are still in the TQ database. I would petition it now if you are missing capsules. They can give them back to you now.

I've been involved in a Back and Forth since last night with the GM's over my Capsules.

I won't post any information about it at this time, but suffice it to say, it's apparently not as cut and dry as them just restoring them.

I've been involved in a Back and Forth since last night with the GM's over my Capsules.

I won't post any information about it at this time, but suffice it to say, it's apparently not as cut and dry as them just restoring them.

No. No. No and no.

No one threatened with dropping subscription. Trust me. You can bet that Entity loves this game infinitely more than how much you love this game.

Entity did not acquire those items through illegitimate means. Before Entity and others corrected CCP Greyscale, CCP Greyscale initially assumed that most of the items that he deleted were acquired through illegitimate means. Now that he is corrected with proper fact, he decided to re-issue several of the items back to the players' hands.

What does this tell us? It tells us that CCP Greyscale did not place much care into checking facts and it is only because players demanded appropriate actions and gave CCP Greyscale some historical lessons and fact check, that he relented and decided to hand back the items.

Also if you refer to the property-right laws (at least in the U.S.), if a buyer makes purchase of an item acquired of illegitimate means, but without knowing the fact of its origin, the transfer is valid and the buyer gains ownership over the item. Most likely, Entity saw an item he hasn't seen (yes, capital implant) on the market and decided to buy it. If CCP decides to remove the item out of the database, then CCP should provide an appropriate compensation to Entity for the transaction costs and ISK he used to buy the implants.

I initially did not respond to your nonsensical remark about collectors trying to scam other players because such logic is almost @ a borderline-stupidity. I think you need a small lesson on basic business and economics before spitting out your nonsensical ramblings all over the wall.

Hi,

Yes, this happened because of a thing that I did. We're looking at our options right now, but there are some other things I have to sort out first today. We'll get back to you!

-Greyscale

PS My player account owned both blueprints, I understand your pain.

I don't own any mines or mine BPs, but it'd be pretty sad if they're all gone forever, and it's not just a temporary error. :|

Fromw what CCP has said, it was not their intent to get rid of mines and their BPs, that was accidential. The intent was to eliminate items that were never intended to be in the game at all but they ended up with a small number of false positives.

The items in question are still in the Database, and many people still have them in their inventory.

Must we keep an external audit of all our stuff because of CCP's incompetence?

How do we know if we get back ALL the stuff they stole?

Should we all open petitions to make sure we get them? I opened one.

Since the items missing are not in the DB (and thus essentially DO NOT EXIST) filing a petition will do nothing but annoy a GM who can do nothing to address the situation. So no, you shouldn't open a petition. Currently CCP has said they will be returned a couple of days after the next release.

They were cleaing up the DB by removing items that were never in game, while deleting in excess of 1000 items that weren't ever in game, they got false positive tests on about 13 (there is some dispute over 1 or 2 items).

is there a way to export all Assets (including in station cans) for auditing purposes?

is there a way to export all Assets (including in station cans) for auditing purposes?

It seems we need this feature now too, given CCP's history of "oops".