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Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 427	Posted - 2012.03.16 17:55:00 - [121] - Quote Entity wrote: ...or at least compensate me for the loss of unique collectibles. If history is any indication, you might get a PLEX and instructions to STFU. ...or you might just get banned. I'm sure they'll do whatever is easier and requires less thought. Gê¦Gê¦-áEvery Ship in GëíGêçGëí-áGê¦Gê¦ GëíGêçGëí-+ odd items
Cindy Marco Expanse Security 63	Posted - 2012.03.16 17:55:00 - [122] - Quote I can understand how going through a large list of items, how rare non-market items could be marked for deletion. I can also see how it could have made it to sisi before a problem was seen. You said that deleting items this way creates a log. Then why did no one check the log when this hit the test server? It seems to be a reasonable precaution. They would have seen all the deletions there. If you delete a ton of items you never thought were in game, that should throw a flag that perhaps further investigation is needed. But still, I can understand how this happened. As long as you don't take too long restoring these items its not that bad. Just learn from it, and in the future if you delete item types, check whats actually being delete before it goes live.
Entity X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence 174	Posted - 2012.03.16 18:01:00 - [123] - Quote Gogela wrote: ...or you might just get banned. Cue articles on every major gaming site in the world. No, I don't quite think they're going to ban me for fighting for my assets/career :P GòªGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGòæGûæGûæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòæGûæGòæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòªGòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòªGòùGòöGòù GòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòùGòöGòúGûæGòöGòùGòáGûæGûæGòáGûæGòáGòùGòáGò¥GûæGòæGòáGûæGòáGò¥GòæGòæGòæGòÜGòù Gò¬GòÉGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòÜGò¥GûæGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGûæGòÜGò¥GòæGòæGòÜGò¥GûæGò¬GòÜGò¥GòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòæGòÜGò¥ Got Item? \| [topic=6504]EVE API?[/topic] \| [topic=6501]Cache?[/topic]
Amateratsu The Pegasus Project 18	Posted - 2012.03.16 18:05:00 - [124] - Quote Were the Creation only skills like Genetic Engineering and Mneumonics that were recently removed part of this clean up? Are the other rare skillbooks alson in danger of being removed? Like Salvage Drone Operation....
Steve Celeste Nex Exercitus Raiden. 225	Posted - 2012.03.16 18:08:00 - [125] - Quote I wanted to say that Greyscale completely lost it, but that would imply that he was competent to begin with. I guess my appreciation thread was not so bad after all. There is enough material to send to some gaming websites, I think they would like to run an article on the goings at CCP. Then again, Greyscale can do pretty much anything without the risk of getting fired, history has proven that.
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 427	Posted - 2012.03.16 18:09:00 - [126] - Quote Entity wrote: Gogela wrote: ...or you might just get banned. Cue articles on every major gaming site in the world. No, I don't quite think they're going to ban me for fighting for my assets/career :P Heh... that sounds like a threat! I like seeing the fire. ...that said, I think you might be getting a bit big for your britches. While I realize you are probably one of (if not just "the") the most prolific collectors in all of gaming and in one of the most challenging environments, I think CCP would kick you as easily as I or anyone else. We are very replaceable and insignificant from what I've seen. I don't think CCP has any concept of the word "unique". Maybe there's no Icelandic translation. It would explain a lot. Gê¦Gê¦-áEvery Ship in GëíGêçGëí-áGê¦Gê¦ GëíGêçGëí-+ odd items
The Antiquarian Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 284	Posted - 2012.03.16 18:10:00 - [127] - Quote How about Mining Drone - UNUSED? Are you telling me that 3B that I've spent to acquire those items have gone to waste? Leaving the items causes NO HARM to anyone. By deleting the items, you just caused the very imbalance that you tried to avoid, by enriching certain individuals, while depriving stupid PLEX buyers (Yes Me!) of ISK and actual USD. Please return the Mining Drone -UNUSED or at least, convert those into Hellhounds I x 2. You claim that deleting those items results in no economical detriments to anyone. Have you considered about the transaction costs that many individuals including Entity took, to seek and purchase those rare items that were originally seeded in the game through CCP's incompetence? If you want to delete those items... it's fine. As long as you provide an appropriate compensation to those who spent time, money, and effort in acquiring those items.
Entity X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence 174	Posted - 2012.03.16 18:13:00 - [128] - Quote Amateratsu wrote: Were the Creation only skills like Genetic Engineering and Mneumonics that were recently removed part of this clean up? Are the other rare skillbooks alson in danger of being removed? Like Salvage Drone Operation.... They were removed in Incarna afaik. GòªGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGòæGûæGûæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòæGûæGòæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòªGòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòªGòùGòöGòù GòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòùGòöGòúGûæGòöGòùGòáGûæGûæGòáGûæGòáGòùGòáGò¥GûæGòæGòáGûæGòáGò¥GòæGòæGòæGòÜGòù Gò¬GòÉGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòÜGò¥GûæGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGûæGòÜGò¥GòæGòæGòÜGò¥GûæGò¬GòÜGò¥GòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòæGòÜGò¥ Got Item? \| [topic=6504]EVE API?[/topic] \| [topic=6501]Cache?[/topic]
Palovana Inner Fire Inc. 159	Posted - 2012.03.16 18:18:00 - [129] - Quote Total dick move, deleting stuff, which just might make a new list on Cracked if they ever revisit the topic. Saves you what, maybe 100MB of database space at most? That's like blowing your nose before stepping on a scale. That said, how can Mines truly be a collector item, if BPOs exist, they can still be produced, and due to the way EVE functions (no visible item creation date, serial number, etc) there is no way to tell between a 2003-built mine and a 2012-built one? I'm from the Empyrean Age timeframe, so mines were unusable when I started. Please support: export of settings in editable format Your stuff goes here.
Entity X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence 175	Posted - 2012.03.16 18:18:00 - [130] - Quote Gogela wrote: Entity wrote: Gogela wrote: ...or you might just get banned. Cue articles on every major gaming site in the world. No, I don't quite think they're going to ban me for fighting for my assets/career :P Heh... that sounds like a threat! I like seeing the fire. ...that said, I think you might be getting a bit big for your britches. A threat? This is just a hypothetical bull-excrement situation you suggested, and i'm playing along with it. I mean, come on. Why the heck would they ban me for complaining about them deleting my stuff when I have every right to be upset. Also, The Antiquarian wrote: How about Mining Drone - UNUSED? Are you telling me that 3B that I've spent to acquire those items have gone to waste? Greyscale has already said they will be restored too. GòªGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGòæGûæGûæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòæGûæGòæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòªGòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòªGòùGòöGòù GòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòùGòöGòúGûæGòöGòùGòáGûæGûæGòáGûæGòáGòùGòáGò¥GûæGòæGòáGûæGòáGò¥GòæGòæGòæGòÜGòù Gò¬GòÉGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòÜGò¥GûæGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGûæGòÜGò¥GòæGòæGòÜGò¥GûæGò¬GòÜGò¥GòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòæGòÜGò¥ Got Item? \| [topic=6504]EVE API?[/topic] \| [topic=6501]Cache?[/topic]

Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 879	Posted - 2012.03.16 18:24:00 - [131] - Quote If you guys really want a piece of history of eve, screen shot all your items and keep those in your computer. A piece of history of Eve would be the first Quafe T-shirt, a Lego-Nyx, Leviathan dildo and so on. Pixels have no value if they don't belong to you...ho wait, that's exactly what it is !
Entity X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence 176	Posted - 2012.03.16 18:28:00 - [132] - Quote Tanya Powers wrote: If you guys really want a piece of history of eve, screen shot all your items and keep those in your computer. A piece of history of Eve would be the first Quafe T-shirt, a Lego-Nyx, Leviathan dildo and so on. Pixels have no value if they don't belong to you...ho wait, that's exactly what it is ! Said pixels have value, actually. Like the hellhounds are ~2b or so. which equates to 4 PLEX. Your argument is invalid. GòªGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGòæGûæGûæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòæGûæGòæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòªGòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòªGòùGòöGòù GòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòùGòöGòúGûæGòöGòùGòáGûæGûæGòáGûæGòáGòùGòáGò¥GûæGòæGòáGûæGòáGò¥GòæGòæGòæGòÜGòù Gò¬GòÉGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòÜGò¥GûæGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGûæGòÜGò¥GòæGòæGòÜGò¥GûæGò¬GòÜGò¥GòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòæGòÜGò¥ Got Item?
FluffyDice StarFckers Inc. The Jagged Alliance 68	Posted - 2012.03.16 18:32:00 - [133] - Quote Palovana wrote: Total dick move, deleting stuff, which just might make a new list on Cracked if they ever revisit the topic. Saves you what, maybe 100MB of database space at most? That's like blowing your nose before stepping on a scale. That said, how can Mines truly be a collector item, if BPOs exist, they can still be produced, and due to the way EVE functions (no visible item creation date, serial number, etc) there is no way to tell between a 2003-built mine and a 2012-built one? I'm from the Empyrean Age timeframe, so mines were unusable when I started. As far as I can remember the BPO has no build requirements of skills or materials and cannot actually be used to produce mines. It can however be used to produce BPC's.
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 427	Posted - 2012.03.16 18:37:00 - [134] - Quote FluffyDice wrote: Palovana wrote: Total dick move, deleting stuff, which just might make a new list on Cracked if they ever revisit the topic. Saves you what, maybe 100MB of database space at most? That's like blowing your nose before stepping on a scale. That said, how can Mines truly be a collector item, if BPOs exist, they can still be produced, and due to the way EVE functions (no visible item creation date, serial number, etc) there is no way to tell between a 2003-built mine and a 2012-built one? I'm from the Empyrean Age timeframe, so mines were unusable when I started. As far as I can remember the BPO has no build requirements of skills or materials and cannot actually be used to produce mines. It can however be used to produce BPC's. Incorrect. I had thousands of them in my hanger. Gê¦Gê¦-áEvery Ship in GëíGêçGëí-áGê¦Gê¦ GëíGêçGëí-+ odd items
FluffyDice StarFckers Inc. The Jagged Alliance 68	Posted - 2012.03.16 18:44:00 - [135] - Quote Gogela wrote: FluffyDice wrote: Palovana wrote: Total dick move, deleting stuff, which just might make a new list on Cracked if they ever revisit the topic. Saves you what, maybe 100MB of database space at most? That's like blowing your nose before stepping on a scale. That said, how can Mines truly be a collector item, if BPOs exist, they can still be produced, and due to the way EVE functions (no visible item creation date, serial number, etc) there is no way to tell between a 2003-built mine and a 2012-built one? I'm from the Empyrean Age timeframe, so mines were unusable when I started. As far as I can remember the BPO has no build requirements of skills or materials and cannot actually be used to produce mines. It can however be used to produce BPC's. Incorrect. I had thousands of them in my hanger. When did you build the mines though?
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 427	Posted - 2012.03.16 18:47:00 - [136] - Quote FluffyDice wrote: When did you build the mines though? hmmm... now that you mention it, it's been a while. I'm not sure. A year or two ago maybe? Gê¦Gê¦-áEvery Ship in GëíGêçGëí-áGê¦Gê¦ GëíGêçGëí-+ odd items
FluffyDice StarFckers Inc. The Jagged Alliance 68	Posted - 2012.03.16 18:52:00 - [137] - Quote Fair enough. I only really remember trying to build them on BPC's. I think I may have just assumed it didn't work with the BPO's. I would test it out if i stall had them :P Testing after/if we get them back may not prove anything either if they mess with them.
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 427	Posted - 2012.03.16 18:56:00 - [138] - Quote FluffyDice wrote: Fair enough. I only really remember trying to build them on BPC's. I think I may have just assumed it didn't work with the BPO's. I would test it out if i stall had them :P Testing after/if we get them back may not prove anything either if they mess with them. We have the tools... Those are the stats on the BPO from the Crucible 1.2 (341054) database. I really like that site. btw - I don't see what the point of messing with the stats of something you can't even use would be, other than to give a big finger to the player base. Gê¦Gê¦-áEvery Ship in GëíGêçGëí-áGê¦Gê¦ GëíGêçGëí-+ odd items
FluffyDice StarFckers Inc. The Jagged Alliance 68	Posted - 2012.03.16 19:01:00 - [139] - Quote If that applies to the copies then I guess my memory has failed me. I guess if they can still be produced then the mines themselves shouldn't be all that rare or worth anything. Id like to think my BPO still held some value though.
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 427	Posted - 2012.03.16 19:05:00 - [140] - Quote FluffyDice wrote: If that applies to the copies then I guess my memory has failed me. I guess if they can still be produced then the mines themselves shouldn't be all that rare or worth anything. Id like to think my BPO still held some value though. Yah mine BPOs were going for about 300 mil or so. The mines were going for very little in contracts, but it was a good place to start out for people who wanted to start collecting unique items or for people who were profiting from collectors. I know a couple of people who were making a few ISK selling mines. Gê¦Gê¦-áEvery Ship in GëíGêçGëí-áGê¦Gê¦ GëíGêçGëí-+ odd items

DeODokktor Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium 3	Posted - 2012.03.16 19:06:00 - [141] - Quote Yea, I seem to remember using bpo's without any issue recently. Not sure that build requirements were ever changed. They made R.A.M. build times virtually 0 at one point, It didnt result in any bans. Lets just hope this "DEV" doesnt deem tech2 bpo's to be something he "Thinks" in his own little world .... well .... that players shouldnt have. Personally... I think they should move him to other jobs... Feeding the fish in the fish tank.
FluffyDice StarFckers Inc. The Jagged Alliance 68	Posted - 2012.03.16 19:15:00 - [142] - Quote Those poor fish dont deserve to die.
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 427	Posted - 2012.03.16 19:21:00 - [143] - Quote FluffyDice wrote: Those poor fish dont deserve to die. ha! I was picturing a drowned dog in the bottom of the tank... Gê¦Gê¦-áEvery Ship in GëíGêçGëí-áGê¦Gê¦ GëíGêçGëí-+ odd items
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 427	Posted - 2012.03.16 20:13:00 - [144] - Quote Entity wrote: At the very least I just want assurance that items that have 1 or more instances owned by players will not be deleted unless they threaten the game balance. I need to be able to go to bed and wake up the next day without having to run my Asset GuardGäó script to check what CCP deleted this time. (some called me paranoid for that, but obviously that script has been vindicated now) What is this script? Is it something you've released publicly or is it an Entity only script? This has made me think about what else I might loose. I'd love a copy if you don't mind! Gê¦Gê¦-áEvery Ship in GëíGêçGëí-áGê¦Gê¦ GëíGêçGëí-+ odd items
Entity X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence 177	Posted - 2012.03.16 20:16:00 - [145] - Quote Gogela wrote: What is this script? Is it something you've released publicly or is it an Entity only script? This has made me think about what else I might loose. I'd love a copy if you don't mind! Sorry, Entity-only. it's actually set of scripts working together with my collection manager and typedb scanner and it's all pretty rough around the edges, not the most userfriendly stuff ever. Maybe I'll make a polished version at some point. GòªGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGòæGûæGûæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòæGûæGòæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòªGòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòªGòùGòöGòù GòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòùGòöGòúGûæGòöGòùGòáGûæGûæGòáGûæGòáGòùGòáGò¥GûæGòæGòáGûæGòáGò¥GòæGòæGòæGòÜGòù Gò¬GòÉGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòÜGò¥GûæGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGûæGòÜGò¥GòæGòæGòÜGò¥GûæGò¬GòÜGò¥GòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòæGòÜGò¥ Got Item?
Evei Shard Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 73	Posted - 2012.03.16 20:32:00 - [146] - Quote As someone who was just starting to collect things, I can only consider the amount of Isk I will save by making the decision to do something else. What irritates me the most is the attitude displayed by CCP about this. As a company, CCP in general seems to think that "act, then think" is an acceptable way to do things. Players are open to change, but not when it is presented in "Oops! did I do that? Sucks to be you, here's some table scraps" format. Profit favors the prepared
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 427	Posted - 2012.03.16 20:52:00 - [147] - Quote Entity wrote: Gogela wrote: What is this script? Is it something you've released publicly or is it an Entity only script? This has made me think about what else I might loose. I'd love a copy if you don't mind! Sorry, Entity-only. it's actually set of scripts working together with my collection manager and typedb scanner and it's all pretty rough around the edges, not the most userfriendly stuff ever. Maybe I'll make a polished version at some point. No prob I just thought I'd ask At least you are on the case. I'll just trust that when items go missing you'll know. Gê¦Gê¦-áEvery Ship in GëíGêçGëí-áGê¦Gê¦ GëíGêçGëí-+ odd items
GavinCapacitor CaeIum Incognitum 27	Posted - 2012.03.16 21:13:00 - [148] - Quote I had some mines I bought long after they were usable (only ~4 years old) as a curiosity. Never really had any super rare collectors items. I seem to be playing eve a lot less lately, despite recently currently being unemployed. Only log in to change skills and poke my PI + datacores for plex money. Guess this is just one more thing.
Ibeau Renoir Colonial Fleet Services Independent Faction 23	Posted - 2012.03.17 02:57:00 - [149] - Quote Some funny type names that got deleted: 'Voila' Anti-Cloaking Pulse I Ore compression thingie Blueprint 10mn webscramblifying Drone Blueprint GM Ultra Mega Super Death Ray horrible tracking drone TESTCattle 'Helsing' Anti-Vampire I 'Blade' Vampire Hunter I 'Buffy' Vampire Slayer I vlgergh Test Modulated Veldspar Sucker of Doom Oh also, I had a handful of mines (Python?), I think I even had them back when they were usable. Ceci n'est pas un sig.
Terminal Insanity Convex Enterprises Unprovoked Aggression 282	Posted - 2012.03.17 03:05:00 - [150] - Quote Pak Narhoo wrote: Utremi Fasolasi wrote: I take it you never lost a sock in the dryer. I've had items vanish without a trace from my apt with no explainable reason. EVE is Real! Gäó. Greyscale Gnome's. They're everywhere! I learned early in life where all my left socks end up



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