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TR4D3R4LT
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:37:00 -
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Entity wrote: Thanks, but I still want my implant back. Just because I have the only one doesn't mean it was acquired illegally. There's plenty of single items that are entirely legit...
This is exactly why I pointed out why there should be checkup made on player owned features/items. If it returns 0, aka nobody has it, nobody has *never* had it, it can be removed.
However, if someone has at one point owned one, like certain unique ship lost to pvp gank, deleting it to save couple bytes is akin to going to museum and tossin stuff to trash "to clear up room." You just dont do it. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
500
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:57:00 -
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Dead Loss wrote:What about the capsules ? They are still in the database today! The only ones removed were the Home types etc (you can see here, LeMonde's Capsule was the only one not in the DB at Crucible launch). My capsules were not confiscated and I know of several others that still have theirs. I'm unsure if Chribba had some of the ones that were removed. I haven't heard of a player owning any of them though.
tl;dr; - petition if capsules went missing... they can give them back right now b/c they are still in the tranq database.
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Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
212
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Posted - 2012.03.30 12:15:00 -
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page 5? really?
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Dead Loss
Sweet Capsuleer Tears
7
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:03:00 -
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Bump |
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.30 21:22:00 -
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I agree.. anything in the hands of a player should be returned to the player..
If you are going on about stuff being got through Illicit means, then why are the Tech II BPO's still out there ?
Make a consistent line in the sand, one way or another. |
TR4D3R4LT
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.31 04:39:00 -
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Sentinel Smith wrote:I agree.. anything in the hands of a player should be returned to the player..
If you are going on about stuff being got through Illicit means, then why are the Tech II BPO's still out there ?
Make a consistent line in the sand, one way or another.
See now you're just spewing whatever nonsense in your mind brings you. There was this thing called t2 lottery that used datacore mechanics. CCP eventually realized it was bad thing to use lottery to hand out instant moneys as that resulted in concentration (t2 bpo = money, with money you buy another t2 bpo that results in more money ad infinum.) So then we got the invention system that pretty much nerfed most t2 bpo's to be "more sensible" money makers.
However all those t2 bpo's handed out via lottery are "legal", some argue t2 bpo's handed out in gm-events are "legal" altho I've personally never seen proper proof of said t2 bpo handouts and events. T2 bpo's handed out "unofficially" (looking at T20) are *not* legal.
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Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.03.31 05:46:00 -
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TR4D3R4LT wrote:See now you're just spewing whatever nonsense in your mind brings you. There was this thing called t2 lottery that used datacore mechanics. CCP eventually realized it was bad thing to use lottery to hand out instant moneys as that resulted in concentration (t2 bpo = money, with money you buy another t2 bpo that results in more money ad infinum.) So then we got the invention system that pretty much nerfed most t2 bpo's to be "more sensible" money makers.
However all those t2 bpo's handed out via lottery are "legal", some argue t2 bpo's handed out in gm-events are "legal" altho I've personally never seen proper proof of said t2 bpo handouts and events. T2 bpo's handed out "unofficially" (looking at T20) are *not* legal.
I didn't mean ALL the Tech II BPO's.. I mean the illicit ones we all know are still out there. But it was my fault for not being more specific. |
fido gotran over
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:44:00 -
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CCP has deicided to selectivly penalize people for owning items theoretically obtained illicitly (even if the current owner obviously had nothing to do with it) and these items have no REAL effect on the game
Then CCP should be even more motivated to FIX the problem with T2 BPO for four reasons
1) Many were KNOWN to be obtained illiclty 2) The have a direct effect on a large portion of the game (unlike unusable collector items) 3) They devalue the gameplay and work done by thousands of people (unlike unusable collector items) 4) Not only is it cheaper to build with BPOs its easier because you have less steps and materials to deal with. |
Freyus Dreborne
New Eden Industrial Services
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Posted - 2012.03.31 21:06:00 -
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When? |
Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
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Posted - 2012.03.31 21:21:00 -
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fido gotran over wrote:blah blah T2 BPOs blah blah
Stop trying to derail the thread -- if you have a beef with T2 BPOs start (another) thread on the subject. And no, I don't own any T2 BPOs.
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Freyus Dreborne
New Eden Industrial Services
2
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Posted - 2012.04.02 12:38:00 -
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Well I guess its just a matter of time... |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
2968
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Posted - 2012.04.02 12:41:00 -
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Hopefully Soon! I want my stuff back.
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Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
49
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Posted - 2012.04.02 22:37:00 -
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Hey CCP Greyscale, how are the restoration plans going? Do you have an ETA yet? |
Klezmer
In Praise Of Shadows
20
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Posted - 2012.04.02 23:02:00 -
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Someone contact me on Lady Spank as to the purchase of a signed copy of the pax amarria, thanks. |
DeODokktor
Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
4
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Posted - 2012.04.02 23:57:00 -
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Arrs Grazznic wrote:Hey CCP Greyscale, how are the restoration plans going? Do you have an ETA yet?
When the banking crisis happened Iceland banks said they wouldnt pay out compensation to non-icelandic folk... I think Greyscale is working on the same type of system.
Take it away. Give nothing back.
In other words, up to this point, His lack of reply amounts to him spitting on you or telling you to fek off.
A lot of small game changes are happening, taking a game that works for most and trying to dumb it down for the masses is gonna backfire me thinks. Those players dont want to play in eve because it takes years to grind their way to the top... When ccp tells the elite, the hackers(collectors), and the non-grind monkeys of eve to all take a flying flip then it'll be interesting to see how long they last with the mass grinding characters. There is a reason WoW stopped publishing subscriber data, ccp wants to scoop those players and remove the loyal ones. Growth is good, unless you destroy your product in the process.
CCP should spot items that shouldn't be there within 24 hours, not after 8 years. Should we take it as a sign that they all sat on their laurels for the past 8 years and ignored all non-combat related bugs?
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1961
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Posted - 2012.04.03 00:13:00 -
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So can we get a clarification of when this stuff comes back?
Seems like its been a while since we were told they would be returned.
Issler |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
538
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Posted - 2012.04.03 00:44:00 -
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Klezmer wrote:Someone contact me on Lady Spank as to the purchase of a signed copy of the pax amarria, thanks.
I think I know of one collecting dust in an Aeon somewhere..
The longer time goes on the more disturing it is to know this (item removal) is just a knee-jerk reaction from 1-2 CCP employees. The dialogue initially was good, the silence after is not. And what really needs to be clarified as well, is whether CCP plans to keep just removing random stuff at a whim, at 1-2 peoples own discretion. Really? shiptoastin' liek a baws |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
514
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Posted - 2012.04.03 00:48:00 -
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Misanth wrote:Klezmer wrote:Someone contact me on Lady Spank as to the purchase of a signed copy of the pax amarria, thanks. I think I know of one collecting dust in an Aeon somewhere.. The longer time goes on the more disturing it is to know this (item removal) is just a knee-jerk reaction from 1-2 CCP employees. The dialogue initially was good, the silence after is not. And what really needs to be clarified as well, is whether CCP plans to keep just removing random stuff at a whim, at 1-2 peoples own discretion. Really? Emphasis added - good question... hope we get an answer on that one. ...kind of makes collecting anything unusual pointless if things are taken away arbitrarily.
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Wolf Kruol
Capsuleer Legions Of New Eden GREATER ITAMO MAFIA
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Posted - 2012.04.03 00:51:00 -
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I still think is a mistake that CCP has removed Mines from the game. They're a great tool. CCP just needs to rethink on how it should be use for players not to exploit it too much.
I hate seeing great game features vanish because of a few bad apples.
Every time I hear CCP banning or removing stuff I feel eve dieing abit more every other day. |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
538
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Posted - 2012.04.03 00:53:00 -
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Gogela wrote: ...kind of makes collecting anything unusual pointless if things are taken away arbitrarily.
Oh yeah thanks for the headsup.
WTS Tutorial Attack Drone, Bone Splinter, Complex Fullerene Shard Craploads of Snowball Launcher + Snowballs + a stack of all the give-away shuttles/frigates/haulers etc
Oh and ofc, I want to sell my Quafe industrial I got from this years Fanfest as obviously some kneejerk reaction from CCP will remove that too in the future!
I better get rid of my pirate and faction ships too, and maybe t2 as well hmm. Hangar clearout at my place this weekend! shiptoastin' liek a baws |
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FluffyDice
StarFckers Inc.
124
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Posted - 2012.04.03 01:05:00 -
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Misanth wrote:Oh yeah thanks for the headsup.
WTS Tutorial Attack Drone, Bone Splinter, Complex Fullerene Shard Craploads of Snowball Launcher + Snowballs + a stack of all the give-away shuttles/frigates/haulers etc
Oh and ofc, I want to sell my Quafe industrial I got from this years Fanfest as obviously some kneejerk reaction from CCP will remove that too in the future!
I better get rid of my pirate and faction ships too, and maybe t2 as well hmm. Hangar clearout at my place this weekend! No the Quafe ship will be given out for free this christmas. |
Orator de Umbras
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.04.03 01:34:00 -
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Suggestion / Idea:
In order to preserve collectable items, while also cleaning up the database and related portions of code, why not create new items, representing the old obsolete items, under a different group / marketGroup ID?
For example, the group could be called "Commodity > Collectables", and the information for the items could reflect why the items were removed from service or never used. (from a role-play perspective).
*Puts on flame resistant suit, as I know this will draw some.*
You could also tie this into 'Walking in Stations' later on, as an item that could be used to decorate your captain's quarters / hangar. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
324
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:42:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Hi again,
Just finished resurrecting the following types: Anaconda Mine Anaconda Mine Blueprint Asp Mine Asp Mine Blueprint Chalcopyrite Cobra Mine Cobra Mine Blueprint Hellhound I Mimir Blueprint Mining Drone - Elite Mining Drone - Improved (with fixed name) Python Mine Python Mine Blueprint
We beat the kinks out of our pipeline and these now all exist again internally with the original typeIDs.
We now have a clear process for getting these back onto TQ and then restoring them to everyone who owned them. Exact timescale TBC but I hope to have this wrapped up by Escalation at the latest.
Thanks again for your patience, -Greyscale
How about Mining Drone -UNUSED?
As Entity said, if you are not able to restore several of the items, would you at least, be kind enough to provide some kind fo reparation for the deletion? We paid billions in ISK for these items.
Or at least be kind enough to create a simple item stating that we "owned these items," if it is too hard to restores those. |
Andrev Nox
SOMER Blink Cognitive Development
61
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Posted - 2012.04.03 17:28:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Fittings including non-existent types cause the fitting manager to fail to open properly. They were removed so that you could actually look at your fittings again. (And no, before someone suggests it, we don't want to make our code more complex and harder to maintain and therefore more likely to break just to support the handful of people who want to import invalid fittings for fun.)
I'm going to fix up the name on the Improved drone and put that on the to-replace list too. I've not heard a good argument for anything else beyond those drones and the other mentioned types, though. The capital hardwiring, for example was the *only* implant of that entire set existing on TQ, and I find it hard to believe that exactly one implant found its way into the game through wholly legitimate means. Further, in this particular case, we've deleted *all* the capital hardwirings because we didn't have any intention of releasing them any time soon. Leaving one of these things in the DB because some player has acquired one illicitly means that this exact kind of problem, where we have things in the DB that appear to be in game but which nobody can remember *why* they're ingame, is more likely to happen in future. This is exactly the kind of ongoing problem that we were trying to prevent in the first place with this cleanup.
I'm late to this thread, I realize - but insinuating that this was gained illicitly without any attempt at investigating if that was truth or not is low on the professionalism scale, even by CCP's standards.
This type of blanket statement and unfounded accusation is poor form even from a player. From an employee, I find this reprehensible.
Entity is a more forgiving person than I, for not using stronger language calling you on this. Is there an avenue we can use to speak to your management about employees making this type of accusation publicly and without research? Somer Blink - The original microlottery site. |
Morph Eis
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.03 17:54:00 -
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RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE |
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
48
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Posted - 2012.04.03 18:12:00 -
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Andrev Nox wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:Fittings including non-existent types cause the fitting manager to fail to open properly. They were removed so that you could actually look at your fittings again. (And no, before someone suggests it, we don't want to make our code more complex and harder to maintain and therefore more likely to break just to support the handful of people who want to import invalid fittings for fun.)
I'm going to fix up the name on the Improved drone and put that on the to-replace list too. I've not heard a good argument for anything else beyond those drones and the other mentioned types, though. The capital hardwiring, for example was the *only* implant of that entire set existing on TQ, and I find it hard to believe that exactly one implant found its way into the game through wholly legitimate means. Further, in this particular case, we've deleted *all* the capital hardwirings because we didn't have any intention of releasing them any time soon. Leaving one of these things in the DB because some player has acquired one illicitly means that this exact kind of problem, where we have things in the DB that appear to be in game but which nobody can remember *why* they're ingame, is more likely to happen in future. This is exactly the kind of ongoing problem that we were trying to prevent in the first place with this cleanup. I'm late to this thread, I realize - but insinuating that this was gained illicitly without any attempt at investigating if that was truth or not is low on the professionalism scale, even by CCP's standards. This type of blanket statement and unfounded accusation is poor form even from a player. From an employee, I find this reprehensible. Entity is a more forgiving person than I, for not using stronger language calling you on this. Is there an avenue we can use to speak to your management about employees making this type of accusation publicly and without research?
Pretty clear to me that "gaining illicitly" is not an accusation against the acquirer, but is just descriptive about the end result of something being in the game that was not intended to be.
Don't really see what the big deal is to be honest. It was a passing molehill of a remark. The takeaway message is just that the devs are cleaning up some loose ends.
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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
96
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Posted - 2012.04.03 18:15:00 -
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I should look and see if my large rigged ships are still intact (especially my phantasm) |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
517
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:23:00 -
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Markus Reese wrote:I should look and see if my large rigged ships are still intact (especially my phantasm) I have a bunch of faction frigates with large rigs that are still fitted with them and working just fine. I do not think, however, that the large rigs in any way give you an advantage anymore. They did at one time, but have since been rebalanced making them effectively the same as their small counterparts now. What has changed is the way the game deals with ships with "bonus" fittings. In some instances I have frigs that have an extra rig (3 when they are only supposed to have two) or 2 guns and 2 launchers on a frig that has been rebalanced and can now only fit say 2 guns. While those ships are still fitted thusly, they can't undock. I get an error saying something to the effect of "Your *ship* can only fit 2 rigs but has 3" or something to that effect.
I wonder if anyone has a ship that still has a warp core... that would be a neat thing to get. Entity?
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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
102
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Posted - 2012.04.04 07:09:00 -
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Gogela wrote:Markus Reese wrote:I should look and see if my large rigged ships are still intact (especially my phantasm) I have a bunch of faction frigates with large rigs that are still fitted with them and working just fine. I do not think, however, that the large rigs in any way give you an advantage anymore. They did at one time, but have since been rebalanced making them effectively the same as their small counterparts now. What has changed is the way the game deals with ships with "bonus" fittings. In some instances I have frigs that have an extra rig (3 when they are only supposed to have two) or 2 guns and 2 launchers on a frig that has been rebalanced and can now only fit say 2 guns. While those ships are still fitted thusly, they can't undock. I get an error saying something to the effect of "Your *ship* can only fit 2 rigs but has 3" or something to that effect. I wonder if anyone has a ship that still has a warp core... that would be a neat thing to get. Entity?
Since they brought out sized rigs, it has never been an advantage. Before it was rig or not rigged. All the rigs give the same bonuses. I just am not near them atm and I really don't fly them. I keep them for posterity. Back then almost nobody rigged ships. I have two of the large rigged ships for collectible. One is a phantasm, the other is a purifier. Used to have a large rigged succubus too, but I learned the hard way about the burning down the hive epic part. |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
152
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Posted - 2012.04.04 22:11:00 -
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Bump, I believe my mine BPOs are still missing, but please correct me if I'm wrong...
These were legitimate collectors items. I believe I could have gotten about 5B for mine if I sold them slowly over 6 months, so it sort of sucks to have them disappear :\
Hell, I remember buying them off the market 6 years ago, it's not like these were brought into the game by bugs or mistakes. I was dirt poor and it was a decent investment for me at the time but I figured they would be worth something someday... |
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