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Buxaroo Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.07.14 18:24:00 - [61] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich So for those who pray to the spaghetti monster do they instead say Ramen? I prefer to worship Joe Peschi. He's a guy that gets things done
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.14 18:26:00 - [62] Originally by: Remata Lakira Originally by: Arvald if a god is willing to fight evil but not able then he is not omnipotent if he is able to fight evil but not willing then he is malevolent if he is both willing and able to fight evil when from when cometh evil? and if he is neither willing nor able then why call him a god Another problem: If god was told to create a stone so heavy that not even he could lift it then what would happen? If he created it that would mean that he'd be a part of this realitys rules and forces as he wouldn't be able to lift the stone. If he told you that he couldn't then his power obviously isn't infinite. If I remember my philosophy A level correctly, theres a fairly standard answer to that one. The sound-bite is that "God can do anything" isn't covering all the points, and that a better statement would be "God can do anything that it is logically possible to do". In other words, its claiming that the original statement is nothing more than a linguistic nonsense, and no more needs arguing against than "If God can do anything, can God not be God?". It makes no sense; just gobbledee** of words. Therefore, God can only do things that make logical sense. Not that I'm expressing an opinion either way, understand, I'm just regurgitating an old college course... ------ Originally by:** Micheal Dietrich You can even get a midget with a camera to sit on the floorboard.
Kirala Hcsirf	Posted - 2008.07.14 18:26:00 - [63] Edited by: Kirala Hcsirf on 14/07/2008 18:28:03 Edited by: Kirala Hcsirf on 14/07/2008 18:27:15 RE: Originally by: Remata Lakira On a slightly lighter note: if your god is perfect and he created us in his own image then howcome people frequently bite the inside of their mouths by accident? Could this be the work of Satan? How come men have nipples? How come some children are born with birth defects (especially poignant for those who believe that ills come from sins - did the kids sin in the womb?) Did Adam and Eve have bellybuttons? And so forth. Religious beliefs typically are so vulnerable to critical enquiry that the 'faithful' have no choice but to react defensively. They'll just say "god works in mysterious ways" when they really mean "I can't stand to have my belief system fundamentally weakened by logic so instead I choose to ignore logic and rely on unsupported 'faith' " Fools.
Kyrall Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.14 18:27:00 - [64] Originally by: Remata Lakira You can't just disregard a well known philosophical theory by just comparing it to a flawed argument based on your lack of understanding in the quantum physics departments. This was precisely my point. You can't disprove religion based on a flawed argument based on your lack of understanding of theology. Originally by: Remata Lakira If your god does indeed exist then this argument proves that it isn't omnipotent. It has to obey the rules of this universe, which means that this god of yours can't cut the price of gasoline...unless it puts on a suit and take san active role in the world economy. A truly omnipotent God does NOT have to obey the rules of the universe, that's kinda the point of being omnipotent. Originally by: Remata Lakira On a slightly lighter note: if your god is perfect and he created us in his own image then how come people frequently bite the inside of their mouths by accident? Could this be the work of Satan? I'd say it'd more likely be a product of sinning and no longer mirroring the perfection of God, or something like that. Or maybe you talk too much and your mouth muscles have grown too much? Maybe Trappists have got it right... - Originally by: Tamia Clant in a Jenny Spitfire thread There was a flame here, but it ran out of oxygen.
Bhaal Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.07.14 18:34:00 - [65] Quote: Not that I'm expressing an opinion either way, understand, I'm just regurgitating an old college course... I hope that was a free course tbfh... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
Remata Lakira Terran Coalition The Threshold	Posted - 2008.07.14 18:35:00 - [66] Originally by: Patch86 stuff Everything you said is true. The point of this logic trap is to demonstrate that omnipotence doesn't exist. it also makes it likely that no god was responsible for the creation of the universe, unless it manipulated space matter to create the big bang. What I like about such arguments is that it encourages Christians to think about the details of the world they live in, rather than respond to every question with "god did it".
Remata Lakira Terran Coalition The Threshold	Posted - 2008.07.14 18:40:00 - [67] Originally by: Kyrall This was precisely my point. You can't disprove religion based on a flawed argument based on your lack of understanding of theology. But I do have an understanding of Theology. The basic timeline here is that Christians started out with this nice little fairy tale and demanded that everyone recognise it as THE truth. Scientific evidence and philosophical arguments have forced the Christians to make concessions. If you believe in god then fine, but don't just dismiss any argument that attempts to strip your god of one of its attributes. At least try to think of a specific problem with the argument. Originally by: Kyrall A truly omnipotent God does NOT have to obey the rules of the universe, that's kinda the point of being omnipotent. Exactly, but I bet that the Christians mentioned in the OP haven't accepted that yet
Slanty McGarglefist	Posted - 2008.07.14 18:42:00 - [68] Edited by: Slanty McGarglefist on 14/07/2008 18:42:09 Originally by: Buxaroo Originally by: Micheal Dietrich So for those who pray to the spaghetti monster do they instead say Ramen? I prefer to worship Joe Peschi. He's a guy that gets things done God bless Joe Peschi. RIP Mr. Carlin __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Wrangler No Doh!
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.07.14 18:49:00 - [69] I forced Thor out of retirement myself. I might try out Ra next year.
Polonium 210	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:15:00 - [70] Edited by: Polonium 210 on 14/07/2008 19:16:03 I've just bought 2.7l Dodge Intrepid a couple of days ago. I'm driving it, guzzling your gas and raising the price. Would've bough 3.2l one, but tax is too high.
Thorliaron Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.07.14 22:09:00 - [71] boo hoo American's have to pay more for petrol. Build a bridge and get over it. pro tip - every time you threaten Iran oil pices jump higher
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.07.14 22:11:00 - [72] Originally by: Thorliaron boo hoo American's have to pay more for petrol. Build a bridge and get over it. pro tip - every time you threaten Iran oil pices jump higher protip: this thread is not a complaint about the price of gas. Watch the video.
Captain Hudson Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.07.14 22:12:00 - [73] i actually saw a similer clip to these but on fox news. They where dancing and everything. The Real Eve FanFest
Kirjava Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.07.14 23:13:00 - [74] Originally by: Remata Lakira Wrong. You can't just disregard a well known philosophical theory by just comparing it to a flawed argument based on your lack of understanding in the quantum physics departments. If your god does indeed exist then this argument proves that it isn't omnipotent. It has to obey the rules of this universe, which means that this god of yours can't cut the price of gasoline...unless it puts on a suit and take san active role in the world economy. On a slightly lighter note: if your god is perfect and he created us in his own image then howcome people frequently bite the inside of their mouths by accident? Could this be the work of Satan? Actually these are all lies, the God exists yet is not aware of its own existence. Point in context, God lives a normal life, has been raised by (note the powers of god allow the creation of time travel and hence at point 0 when god gained subconscious awareness of existence, the start of the universe -14*10^9 was brought into existence im a paradox) in a normal environment and hence reality exists because this is what god expects. Naturally, to keep order god must believe itself in a higher status of being (aliens, gods, ESPers) to maintain the paradox of such a beings existence yet not aware of it as to hence accidentally delete/rebuild the universe. Essentially, keeping the illusion of religion, aliens, time travel and espers is preferential to the mighty Haruhi running amok Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.15 01:05:00 - [75] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich protip: this thread is not a complaint about the price of gas. Watch the video. You're right, it's a blatant attack on all forms of religion. Nothing more, nothing less. As I said previously, you "cool kids" can talk shit from the back of the class room all you like - but just realize that it's all that you're doing. You're not pointing out a fallacy, educating, enlightening, or even providing positive input in any way. At best, you're circle jerking over how much better you are than those people. I mean, if you get your jollies from talking bad about people, fine, I guess. The best part is that you're teaching your children (heaven forbid you have any) to be snide critics about anything that they don't believe. We'll see if your children and their generation discard you and all of your opinions and insights because of some archaic belief that you have. They'll mindlessly and intolerantly stumble into another genocide or race war, all because you thought it great fun to make fun of someone. Oh, wait, but you're the tolerant one? Are you? Your words deny you. Really, all this world needs is more cynicism and arrogance. -Liang -- The Universe has a really good firewall. Why else do you think nobody has hacked the Universe yet?
Remata Lakira Terran Coalition The Threshold	Posted - 2008.07.15 01:20:00 - [76] Originally by: Liang Nuren The best part is that you're teaching your children (heaven forbid you have any) to be snide critics about anything that they don't believe. Well you god-lovers started it! I think that the problem is religion (not to be confused with spirituality) has always been inherently oppressive. So most Atheist tend to let the religious people get under their sking for their incredible intolerance and so atheists lash out at the religious people and the spiritual people get the recieving end of that aggression.
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.07.15 01:36:00 - [77] Originally by: Liang Nuren The best part is that you're teaching your childrento be snide critics about anything that they don't believe. -Liang And religion does what? P.S. I am not an atheist Slade "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self"
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.15 01:38:00 - [78] Originally by: Remata Lakira I think that the problem is religion (not to be confused with spirituality) has always been inherently oppressive. So most Atheist tend to let the religious people get under their sking for their incredible intolerance and so atheists lash out at the religious people and the spiritual people get the recieving end of that aggression. No, most Atheists (as seen in this thread) seem to take particular delight in making snide/snarky comments from the back of the class room. Really, they're no better than the "intolerant religious nutters" that they're lashing out at. The biggest difference is that the nutters (in theory) have some "guiding force" holding them back from the brink of insanity. No major world religion that I am aware of actively suggests to its followers to wage war against another religion or people group. -Liang -- The Universe has a really good firewall. Why else do you think nobody has hacked the Universe yet?
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.15 01:41:00 - [79] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 15/07/2008 01:43:38 Originally by: Slade Trillgon And religion does what? P.S. I am not an atheist Is this the point at which you point at the "radical fundamentalists" that blatantly disregard their religion's fundamental precepts for political and personal gain? -Liang Ed: Is this also the point at which you make some sort of comment about how these people are a danger to society at large because they don't fit into your nice little mold of how people should look? Tell me: where does that road lead? -- The Universe has a really good firewall. Why else do you think nobody has hacked the Universe yet?
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.07.15 01:47:00 - [80] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Micheal Dietrich protip: this thread is not a complaint about the price of gas. Watch the video. You're right, it's a blatant attack on all forms of religion. Nothing more, nothing less. As I said previously, you "cool kids" can talk shit from the back of the class room all you like - but just realize that it's all that you're doing. OOH we got a fiery one here. It's not a blatant attack on all religion then because then I'd be attacking the book of Dietrich which offers salvation with Thor and partying to all hours of the night. It's a blatant attack on mindless stupidity and thinking some all powerful being is going to stop everything and lower the price of gas. Also it's not what you said previously. What you said previously was that us forum posters are hipocrits doing nothing about the gas situation and we caught you on that so you've decided to switch your attacks to my biased beliefs about religion. Originally by: Liang Nuren You're not pointing out a fallacy, educating, enlightening, or even providing positive input in any way. At best, you're circle jerking over how much better you are than those people. I mean, if you get your jollies from talking bad about people, fine, I guess. Your right, I'm such a cold hearted bastard child. I should change my ways and give out an inspirational message to my fellow OOPE members: DON'T BE LIKE THESE PEOPLE, THINK FOR YOURSELVES! Originally by: Liang Nuren The best part is that you're teaching your children (heaven forbid you have any) to be snide critics about anything that they don't believe. We'll see if your children and their generation discard you and all of your opinions and insights because of some archaic belief that you have. They'll mindlessly and intolerantly stumble into another genocide or race war, all because you thought it great fun to make fun of someone. I'm gonna shock the hell out of you, I went to church lately. Why? My neice n nephew asked me to join. Madness I tell you. NO MA'AM or SIR I will not teach my children to blindy follow an invisible man who loves you but threatens to send you to hell to live in anguish and torment if you don't do as he says. I will not teach my children to ask an invisible being to solve their problems for them. I will teach them to solve their problems for themselves, to think for themselves, to run their life. As my daddy always told me: You can do anything you want, anything at all, but you are the one that has to pay the consequences. That's good thinking cause I'd really hate to blame God when the gas prices don't go down. Also to note that i'm not the one with the 6000 year old archaic belief that is spawned from a book that has been revised what, 12 times now? Originally by: Liang Nuren Oh, wait, but you're the tolerant one? Are you? Your words deny you. Really, all this world needs is more cynicism and arrogance. -Liang Coming from the one who just berated me on the forums, this means exactly squat. Little piece of advice for you. I. Don't. Give. A. Damn. What. You. Think. Of. Me. I do however appreciate that you bumped this thread to the top so more people can point and laugh thank you. Feel free to stop by more.
Remata Lakira Terran Coalition The Threshold	Posted - 2008.07.15 01:47:00 - [81] Originally by: Liang Nuren No, most Atheists (as seen in this thread) seem to take particular delight in making snide/snarky comments from the back of the class room. Really, they're no better than the "intolerant religious nutters" that they're lashing out at. Maybe we need some atheists to be intolerant in order to keep the intolerant religious nuts at bay. They are the snakes that we msut introduce to the garden in order to save paradise. I thought a religious metaphor was very apt here.
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.07.15 01:50:00 - [82] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 15/07/2008 01:49:59 Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Slade Trillgon And religion does what? P.S. I am not an atheist Is this the point at which you point at the "radical fundamentalists" that blatantly disregard their religion's fundamental precepts for political and personal gain? -Liang The radical fundamentalist are the ones that have driven world religion from the beginning, whichever beginning you choose to believe in. Two people point out the exact same line and that is all you can come up with? These people are "probably" fundamentalist christians and quite honestly gave me a good laugh. It was a waste of time and fuel. They could have done the same thing without wasting any gas. Slade "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self"
Arvald Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.07.15 01:52:00 - [83] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Micheal Dietrich protip: this thread is not a complaint about the price of gas. Watch the video. You're right, it's a blatant attack on all forms of religion. Nothing more, nothing less. As I said previously, you "cool kids" can talk shit from the back of the class room all you like - but just realize that it's all that you're doing. You're not pointing out a fallacy, educating, enlightening, or even providing positive input in any way. At best, you're circle jerking over how much better you are than those people. I mean, if you get your jollies from talking bad about people, fine, I guess. The best part is that you're teaching your children (heaven forbid you have any) to be snide critics about anything that they don't believe. We'll see if your children and their generation discard you and all of your opinions and insights because of some archaic belief that you have. They'll mindlessly and intolerantly stumble into another genocide or race war, all because you thought it great fun to make fun of someone. Oh, wait, but you're the tolerant one? Are you? Your words deny you. Really, all this world needs is more cynicism and arrogance. -Liang ok ok dont get me wrong, im usually not one to judge but i have been told nearly all of my life (well when i started to make desicions for myself anyways) by religious people that what i believe in is completely and totally wrong and nothing else but whay they belive in is right, so excuse me if i am a bit bitter towards any and all religions ans they bring nothing but problems (and even though its not so much this way now a days but prosecution death and destruction) Originally by: Siddy APERANTLY GEED PEE VEE PEE PLAYAS!!111 im in your forums, derailing your threads
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.07.15 01:54:00 - [84] Originally by: Liang Nuren No major world religion that I am aware of actively suggests to its followers to wage war against another religion or people group. -Liang BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Oh jesus have you even read the bible? Theres some awesome battles that take place in it. Theres also the HOLY Crusades. Holy shit. Many others such as Jihad (translated - holy war), Muslim Conquests, French Wars of Religion, and the Reconquista. Thirty years war. More people have died in that name of god than anything else.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.15 01:56:00 - [85] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Also it's not what you said previously. What you said previously was that us forum posters are hipocrits doing nothing about the gas situation and we caught you on that so you've decided to switch your attacks to my biased beliefs about religion. Actually, it's that there were 2 pages of mindless circle-jerking over your attack on religion, so I took the occasion to point out just how enlightened you guys must feel. Also, I don't feel particularly "fiery". I feel like someone has to point out that you're being an ass. Apparently everyone else here feels the same way, and thus deserves a proper warning about what lies down the path you walk. Quote: Your right, I'm such a cold hearted bastard child. I should change my ways and give out an inspirational message to my fellow OOPE members: DON'T BE LIKE THESE PEOPLE, THINK FOR YOURSELVES! Subsequently, they must all think like you, else you make posts on Eve-O and snicker with your friends over how silly they are? Quote: I'm gonna shock the hell out of you, I went to church lately. Why? My neice n nephew asked me to join. Madness I tell you. NO MA'AM or SIR I will not teach my children to blindy follow an invisible man who loves you but threatens to send you to hell to live in anguish and torment if you don't do as he says. Actually, I'm not shocked... you obviously have a bone to pick. Quote: I will not teach my children to ask an invisible being to solve their problems for them. I will teach them to solve their problems for themselves, to think for themselves, to run their life. As my daddy always told me: You can do anything you want, anything at all, but you are the one that has to pay the consequences. So instead you'll teach them that it's ok to make fun of others and that these people don't have any right to reproduce, and that they're basically sub-human? Oh, that's going to turn out well. Quote: Also to note that i'm not the one with the 6000 year old archaic belief that is spawned from a book that has been revised what, 12 times now? I do believe you're projecting beliefs onto me. :) Quote: Coming from the one who just berated me on the forums, this means exactly squat. Little piece of advice for you. I. Don't. Give. A. Damn. What. You. Think. Of. Me. Most children don't care what others think of them, and rarely think of others at all. Well, except perhaps to crow to their cronies about how superior they all are. -Liang -- The Universe has a really good firewall. Why else do you think nobody has hacked the Universe yet?
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.15 02:03:00 - [86] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Oh jesus have you even read the bible? Theres some awesome battles that take place in it. I have read it, along with other religious texts. Quote: Theres also the HOLY Crusades. Holy shit. Which has what to do with religion, and everything to do with personal and religious power? Quote: More people have died in that name of god than anything else. Sure, if the name of that god is money. -Liang -- The Universe has a really good firewall. Why else do you think nobody has hacked the Universe yet?
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.15 02:06:00 - [87] Originally by: Remata Lakira Actually it can be. Remember when the Allies became intolerant of the intolerant **s and we started WW2? The same situation applies here, I feel. Since you brought it up, remember when the Germans decided it'd be a great idea to become intolerant of all those evil Jews stealing their wealth? Hell, you guys are making statements like "these guys shouldn't even be allowed to reproduce!! lol look at them so stupid sub human!! roflmao!" So what does that sound like: - **** youth - Britian's response to the Blitzkrieg -Liang -- The Universe has a really good firewall. Why else do you think nobody has hacked the Universe yet?
Remata Lakira Terran Coalition The Threshold	Posted - 2008.07.15 02:08:00 - [88] Originally by: Liang Nuren Sure, if the name of that god is money. -Liang You're splitting hairs. Religion is and always has been a system of control. It allows the few at the top to call the shots. This isn't that different from political parties but at least they don't justify their actions by claiming that 'god' happens to want their enemies dead.
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.07.15 02:10:00 - [89] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Slade Trillgon These people are "probably" fundamentalist christians and quite honestly gave me a good laugh. It was a waste of time and fuel. They could have done the same thing without wasting any gas. I like how you know that they're warlike savage barbarian fundamentalist christians. Man, I must have missed the guns in their hands. They're a real menace, and shouldn't be allowed to reproduce. -Liang You have no clue what you are talking about. First of all I put fundamentalist in quotations, so as to point out that i do not know the whole truth, but they still wasted gas for a pathetic attempt to plead to their god about something that was hurting their pocket. Also anyone that condemns me for being a conscientious objector would be a fundamentalist in my book...example you. P.S. Their are atheist christians, budists, islamics, hindus, and hebrews, bet you never even considered that did you. Slade "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self"
Remata Lakira Terran Coalition The Threshold	Posted - 2008.07.15 02:10:00 - [90] Originally by: Liang Nuren Since you brought it up, remember when the Germans decided it'd be a great idea to become intolerant of all those evil Jews stealing their wealth? Hell, you guys are making statements like "these guys shouldn't even be allowed to reproduce!! lol look at them so stupid sub human!! roflmao!" So what does that sound like: - **** youth - Britian's response to the Blitzkrieg -Liang No, my example was of using intolerance to defeat the intolerant. Your example of the **s picking on the jews is an example of the intolerant picking on a tolerant and debased people. Unless of course you were implying that the Jews are intolerant. Oh look, a Christian is a in-the-closet- anti-semite. I'm trying to contain my amazement.

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