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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2008.07.15 02:18:00 -
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 Originally by: Remata Lakira
You're splitting hairs. Religion is and always has been a system of control. It allows the few at the top to call the shots. This isn't that different from political parties but at least they don't justify their actions by claiming that 'god' happens to want their enemies dead.
Politics by any means is and always has been a means of control. I think that we both know that the examples cited had no interest of the religion at heart. However, what you're saying has the strong implication that you believe that there is no god.
What I have to ask you is this: Should no one be allowed to believe in a god because you do not?
Let me ask you: are you any better at that rate?
-Liang
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Remata Lakira
Terran Coalition
The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.07.15 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
What I have to ask you is this: Should no one be allowed to believe in a god because you do not?
Let me ask you: are you any better at that rate?
-Liang
people are free to believe in whatever the hell they want. I jsut don't think that religion has any rightful official capacity in society. People can meet up in small groups to meet other godlovers but that should be where it ends. Any crime (no matter how minor) proven to have been sparked by religious prejudice should be met with SEVERE punishment. With the church out the way that's one less source of government/social corruption.
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.07.15 02:25:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
You have no clue what you are talking about. First of all I put fundamentalist in quotations, so as to point out that i do not know the whole truth, but they still wasted gas for a pathetic attempt to plead to their god about something that was hurting their pocket.
"pathetic attempt"
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Also anyone that condemns me for being a conscientious objector would be a fundamentalist in my book...example you.
I don't condemn you for being a conscientious objector. I condemn you because all you're doing is sitting back and making snide comments. This thread is full of circle jerking over how much better you are than they are.
News flash: You're not. You're every bit as religiously intolerant as the worst of them (which quite likely is not this particular group that you're scoffing at).
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P.S. Their are atheist christians, budists, islamics, hindus, and hebrews, bet you never even considered that did you.
AFAICT, you're referring to being on the member role for a religious denomination. You might consider the definition of Atheist:
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S: (n) atheist (someone who denies the existence of god)
http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=atheist
-Liang
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.07.15 02:25:00 -
[94]
Oh man this is just awesome. Not only did you make me lose track of time and spend an extra half hour at work you had me speeding home to see what foolishness you say next.
I am sorry Liang but you don't have a flippin clue what you are talking about. Not to mention you are very badly putting words into peoples mouths and making some wild, wild assumptions about us.
I would kindly ask that you show me where I said that religious people are sub-human and shouldn't breed.
And what you said about the holy war, yeah, that was just LOL!
Oh god I am laughing so hard now, this has been an awesome day.
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.07.15 02:27:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Remata Lakira
No, my example was of using intolerance to defeat the intolerant. Your example of the ****s picking on the jews is an example of the intolerant picking on a tolerant and debased people.
Your example uses intolerance - and an intolerance by a majority mandated and taught from school. No, that doesn't have the capacity to go wrong at all.
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Oh look, a Christian is a in-the-closet- anti-semite. I'm trying to contain my amazement. 
WTF? I issue a warning about genocide and crimes against humanity, and now I'm an anti-semite? Wow man, you need to step back and get some perspective on that.
-Liang
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Remata Lakira
Terran Coalition
The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.07.15 02:31:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
WTF? I issue a warning about genocide and crimes against humanity, and now I'm an anti-semite? Wow man, you need to step back and get some perspective on that.
-Liang
Reread what I said and digest the meaning behind each word. Also consider backtracking to the post where I first started the example o using intolerance to beat an intolerant threat.
] Originally by: Remata Lakira
No, my example was of using intolerance to defeat the intolerant. Your example of the ****s picking on the jews is an example of the intolerant picking on a tolerant and debased people.
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.07.15 02:32:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Remata Lakira
people are free to believe in whatever the hell they want. I jsut don't think that religion has any rightful official capacity in society.
Well, judging from your comments in this thread, it seems that you think it has no rightful place in society.
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People can meet up in small groups to meet other godlovers but that should be where it ends. Any crime (no matter how minor) proven to have been sparked by religious prejudice should be met with SEVERE punishment.
Of course, because a crime performed by a religious person of any variety is infinitely worse than a crime performed by a non religious person. I'm sure that you can't see the double standard there, but I assure you that there is one.
A crime is a crime, and it has a punishment. Anything more is bringing in your personal (or even collective) biases into justice - which makes a mockery of any meaningful attempt it.
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With the church out the way that's one less source of government/social corruption.
Wow, religion is a social corruption to you. I think I can see why you're so anxious to get rid of all those people that are different from you.
-Liang
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.07.15 02:38:00 -
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You do not need to believe in god to be a good person. You do not need to be a non-believer to be a bad person. But when you claim belief in a god and ask them to change something like the price of gas it is laughable period.
Slade
"I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self" |
Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.07.15 02:39:00 -
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As long as we got you on the line I got a wonderful question I wanna ask ya that I love to ask all kinds of people and maybe you have the answer for me:
In the ten commandments it states that we shall not worship false idols. There is one god and you must put your faith in him.
In the Qur'an it is stated that Alla is the true prophet
Failure to put your faith and beliefs into either of these gods grants you a ticket to hell.
My question is, since you can't follow both, how do you avoid hell?
I've got another question for you once you answer this one.
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.07.15 02:45:00 -
[100]
Edited by: Liang Nuren on 15/07/2008 02:45:28
Originally by: Remata Lakira
[Reread what I said and digest the meaning behind each word. Also consider backtracking to the post where I first started the example o using intolerance to beat an intolerant threat.
I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent.
-- Mahatma Gandhi
-Liang
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.07.15 02:47:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
You do not need to believe in god to be a good person. You do not need to be a non-believer to be a bad person. But when you claim belief in a god and ask them to change something like the price of gas it is laughable period.
Slade
You're making a value decision about their religion based upon your beliefs. You assume that there's no god, therefore you think it silly to ask said god to help. If there were a god, it would not be so silly.
-Liang
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.07.15 02:49:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
My question is, since you can't follow both, how do you avoid hell?
I'm afraid that you'll have to do some soul searching to determine the answer to that.
-Liang
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.07.15 02:53:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
My question is, since you can't follow both, how do you avoid hell?
I'm afraid that you'll have to do some soul searching to determine the answer to that.
-Liang
That is such a horrible answer. I'm disappointed.
Oh well, carry on with your misguided knowledge of religion and misconceptions of us.
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.07.15 03:09:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
My question is, since you can't follow both, how do you avoid hell?
I'm afraid that you'll have to do some soul searching to determine the answer to that.
-Liang
Awful time to choose misdirection.
Slade
"I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self" |
Kirala Hcsirf
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Posted - 2008.07.15 03:10:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
My question is, since you can't follow both, how do you avoid hell?
I'm afraid that you'll have to do some soul searching to determine the answer to that.
-Liang
Awful time to choose misdirection.
Slade
Well, if you can't answer the question, it's a time-honored obfuscation tactic!
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.07.15 03:15:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
That is such a horrible answer. I'm disappointed.
Oh well, carry on with your misguided knowledge of religion and misconceptions of us.
Well, I kinda figured that introspection wasn't your gig. I would like you to stop projecting beliefs onto me though. I haven't once advocated religion in this thread.
What I have done is say (I walked over my posts in this thread):
- These people are doing something (even if it is ineffective, it was seen and heard around the world)
- This thread (you, plural) is strongly anti-religious, and at least one example (comment #5) seemingly exhibits the desire/hope that these people don't reproduce. There is lots of talk about how they're mentally ******ed, ignorant, fools, mentally unstable, and a social corruption.
- Your attitudes are destructive, and these kinds of discussions really hold no positive value for anyone.
- Your intolerance is not the right answer either. Intolerance easily leads to hatred (as you honestly seem to do), and mass hatred is just a hop, skip, and a jump from crimes against humanity.
- Historical examples of religious wars have in reality had their basis in finances and political power.
Originally by: Slade
Awful time to choose misdirection
See above.
-Liang
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Jawas
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.15 03:28:00 -
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The biggest evil comes from those who say they worship god, more so that those who say they don't.
How is this so? Just look at the number of Evil things done in god's name.
Why do churches (faiths) prey on the sick and the lame, targetting those in particular who have mental or physical disabilities? They are supposed to give thanks to a god who made them that way
If this god loves us, why do we have wars, famine, disease? Why do children suffer more? Why does he tolerate others making your life a misery if he could so easily do something to stop it? This is not the work of a god of love, it is the work of a deranged mind.
I used to be RC until I 'grew up' and saw the world for what it was rather than through the rose tinted goggles the church gives you.
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Father Weebles
North Face Force
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Posted - 2008.07.15 03:48:00 -
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No thanks.
High gas prices are the only way this self centered country will get off its ass and make change for a better fuel economy.
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.07.15 03:52:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Father Weebles
No thanks.
High gas prices are the only way this self centered country will get off its ass and make change for a better fuel economy.
Sadly, I think you're right... and I'm fairly sure that global warming (or some other looming disaster) will be the only way the nations of this planet will work together for a serious space program.
It'll be interesting to see how it pans out, I hear that they're having real trouble selling new trucks/SUVs... and that some dealerships won't even accept them as trade-ins.
-Liang
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Arvald
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.07.15 03:54:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Father Weebles
No thanks.
High gas prices are the only way this self centered country will get off its ass and make change for a better fuel economy.
Sadly, I think you're right... and I'm fairly sure that global warming (or some other looming disaster) will be the only way the nations of this planet will work together for a serious space program.
It'll be interesting to see how it pans out, I hear that they're having real trouble selling new trucks/SUVs... and that some dealerships won't even accept them as trade-ins.
-Liang
eh i say glass this rock and start over from scratch
Originally by: Siddy
APERANTLY GEED PEE VEE PEE PLAYAS!!111
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.07.15 04:12:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
What I have done is say (I walked over my posts in this thread):
- These people are doing something (even if it is ineffective, it was seen and heard around the world)
In which you assumed I was doing nothing. Excellent job.
Originally by: Liang Nuren
- This thread (you, plural) is strongly anti-religious, and at least one example (comment #5) seemingly exhibits the desire/hope that these people don't reproduce.
Which I never said but you pinned on me. Excellent job again.
Originally by: Liang Nuren
There is lots of talk about how they're mentally ******ed, ignorant, fools, mentally unstable, and a social corruption.
I don't know about mentally ******ed but mentally unstable, ignorant, and brainwashed comes to mind.
Originally by: Liang Nuren
- Your attitudes are destructive, and these circle jerking over some supposed "superiority" holds no positive value for anyone.
Oh I'm positive that other people agree that praying will get you no where with gas prices going down. you said it yourself that it was most likely ineffective ( see above) and yet you attack me for making the same point. Excellent job again.
Originally by: Liang Nuren
- Your intolerance is not the right answer either. Intolerance easily leads to hatred (as you honestly seem to do), and mass hatred is just a hop, skip, and a jump from crimes against humanity.
You mean like the church's intolerance to homosexuality, or it's intolerance of other religions? I think those lead to holy wars.
Originally by: Liang Nuren
- Historical examples of religious wars have in reality had their basis in finances and political power.
Which is what religion is all about my young padawan, power and greed. People go to war in the name of God so they can rejoice in the spoils of the fallen blasphemous heretics who dare not follow their religion.
you done an excellent job of proving most of my points, failing to sideslip the case, and walking back into your own words.
Originally by: Liang Nuren
-Liang
M.V.D.
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Arvald
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.07.15 04:31:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Liang Nuren
What I have done is say (I walked over my posts in this thread):
- These people are doing something (even if it is ineffective, it was seen and heard around the world)
In which you assumed I was doing nothing. Excellent job.
Originally by: Liang Nuren
- This thread (you, plural) is strongly anti-religious, and at least one example (comment #5) seemingly exhibits the desire/hope that these people don't reproduce.
Which I never said but you pinned on me. Excellent job again.
Originally by: Liang Nuren
There is lots of talk about how they're mentally ******ed, ignorant, fools, mentally unstable, and a social corruption.
I don't know about mentally ******ed but mentally unstable, ignorant, and brainwashed comes to mind.
Originally by: Liang Nuren
- Your attitudes are destructive, and these circle jerking over some supposed "superiority" holds no positive value for anyone.
Oh I'm positive that other people agree that praying will get you no where with gas prices going down. you said it yourself that it was most likely ineffective ( see above) and yet you attack me for making the same point. Excellent job again.
Originally by: Liang Nuren
- Your intolerance is not the right answer either. Intolerance easily leads to hatred (as you honestly seem to do), and mass hatred is just a hop, skip, and a jump from crimes against humanity.
You mean like the church's intolerance to homosexuality, or it's intolerance of other religions? I think those lead to holy wars.
Originally by: Liang Nuren
- Historical examples of religious wars have in reality had their basis in finances and political power.
Which is what religion is all about my young padawan, power and greed. People go to war in the name of God so they can rejoice in the spoils of the fallen blasphemous heretics who dare not follow their religion.
you done an excellent job of proving most of my points, failing to sideslip the case, and walking back into your own words.
Originally by: Liang Nuren
-Liang
M.V.D.
*golfclap*
Originally by: Siddy
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2008.07.15 04:38:00 -
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you done an excellent job of proving most of my points, failing to sideslip the case, and walking back into your own words.
I haven't walked back on my words... you've merely proven that you have an axe to grind with religion (and tbfh it looks specifically like Christianity).
Also, I'd like to point out that I'm concerned with the general (and overwhelmingly) derogatory attitude taken here against any religion. It's very easy for these things to get out of hand.
-Liang
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Yarsk Hunters
DeaDSpace Coalition
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Posted - 2008.07.15 06:26:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
In the ten commandments it states that we shall not worship false idols. There is one god and you must put your faith in him.
Hmmm, I'm pretty sure there were 15 commandments, but the dude that brought them dropped the 3rd tablet with 5 commandments. So which were the last 5 commandments?
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.07.15 09:53:00 -
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Oh this is epic, Liang, I can't find fault with Dietrich yet to be honest.
Take a look at when Christianity came into being (lets ignore all other religions for the moment) as a religion. Now which European superpower was on the decline and grasping for straws to stay afloat? The Roman Empire, if you are familiar with copypasta you will note the similarities between Isis and the Virgin Mary.
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.15 10:17:00 -
[116]
Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
In the ten commandments it states that we shall not worship false idols. There is one god and you must put your faith in him.
Hmmm, I'm pretty sure there were 15 commandments, but the dude that brought them dropped the 3rd tablet with 5 commandments. So which were the last 5 commandments?
Actually 16 verses in Exodus 20:2-17 and 15 verses in Deuteronomy 5:6-21 which is where the mistake often comes, it's not one verse per commandment as some would suggest.
Exodus 20:8-11 refer to the sabbath and so do Deuteronomy 5:12-15 so that's 4 off of each. Also Exodus 20:3-6 and Deuteronomy 5:7-10 refer to not having false gods and what to expect if you do which brings it down to 8 or 9 really so even 10 is not entirely accurate.
The paradox you will see is the part about slavery. Ref: Exodus.
Exodus 20:2 - I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery;
Exodus 20:10 - But the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any workùyou, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns.
Exodus 20:17 You shall not covet your neighbourÆs house; you shall not covet your neighbourÆs wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour
So he's saved them from a life of slavery and servitude but says it's ok to make slaves of others. That infers that god is a hypocrite. It was this kind of inconsistency in the religion that turned me away from it.
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Kyrall
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.15 11:36:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
As long as we got you on the line I got a wonderful question I wanna ask ya that I love to ask all kinds of people and maybe you have the answer for me:
In the ten commandments it states that we shall not worship false idols. There is one god and you must put your faith in him.
In the Qur'an it is stated that Alla is the true prophet
Failure to put your faith and beliefs into either of these gods grants you a ticket to hell.
My question is, since you can't follow both, how do you avoid hell?
I've got another question for you once you answer this one.
I'll bite:
I'm no expert on Islam, but from Christianity's point of view, the Qur'an is wrong, so there's no question to answer here. Or was this question directed only at Islam?
- Originally by: Tamia Clant in a Jenny Spitfire thread
There was a flame here, but it ran out of oxygen.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2008.07.15 12:11:00 -
[118]
Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 15/07/2008 12:13:32
News flash for you all. Judaism, Islam and Christianity are 1 and the same religion, just following different prophets/holy texts. There's a reason why all 3 have the exact same creation story, what christianity refers to as the "Old Testament" is basically the core of the jewish Torah and forms the first part of the Qu'ran. The "New Testament" isn't present in Judaism since that's the oldest of the three, and Christianity split of from that. Islam then split of from Christianity a couple of centuries later, and suprise suprise there is quite a lot from the "new testament" in the Qu'ran.
But as is the norm with differences of religious opinion, you try to kill who ever isn't part of your little group. Cue 2 millennia of wars fought over nothing more than a couple of old geezers disagreeing on what is proper in their own eyes and misrepresent what their beliefs really stand for.
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.15 12:35:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Meiyang Lee
Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 15/07/2008 12:23:44
News flash for you all. Judaism, Islam and Christianity are 1 and the same religion, just following different prophets/holy texts. There's a reason why all 3 have the exact same creation story, what christianity refers to as the "Old Testament" is basically the core of the jewish Torah and forms the first part of the Qur'an. The "New Testament" isn't present in Judaism since that's the oldest of the three, and Christianity split of from that. Islam then split of from Christianity a couple of centuries later, and suprise suprise there is quite a lot from the "new testament" in the Qur'an.
But as is the norm with differences of religious opinion, you try to kill who ever isn't part of your little group. Cue 2 millennia of wars fought over nothing more than a couple of old geezers disagreeing on what is proper in their own eyes and misrepresent what their beliefs really stand for.
Keep on going back in time and you'll probably find references that link all religions to sun worship. Since it was around long before life evolved on earth, gives us warmth and life and undoubtedly was the prime cause of life evolving on this planet, it's fair to presume that the sun really is god.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2008.07.15 12:40:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Dantes Revenge
Keep on going back in time and you'll probably find references that link all religions to sun worship. Since it was around long before life evolved on earth, gives us warmth and life and undoubtedly was the prime cause of life evolving on this planet, it's fair to presume that the sun really is god.
Fair enough. 
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