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TornSoul
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Posted - 2004.05.24 20:27:00 -
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www.BIG-EVE.com
Firstly - Forget everything you have already read, or think you have read, or have been told, or have guessed or...
Here's the 'gospel':
In round 28 of the BIG Lottery there will be 3 prizes
1st prize : 1 Billion ISK 2nd prize : 500 Million ISK 3rd prize : 250 Million ISK
Furthermore there will be a 5000 ticket (5M ISK) cap.
This cap *includes* any tickets you might have bought during round 27. This means: If you already bought 1000 tickets in round 27, you are only allowed to buy 4000 more tickets in round 28. If you cant remember how many tickets you have bought checkout the receipt page
Also: Anyone who during round 27 bought more than 5000 tickets, will have their excess purchases refunded (thereÆs a few) NOTE : If you go over the limit in round 28 - You will *not* get a refund (BIG will consider it a donation, and send you many warm thoughts on all holidays .
_______________________________________________________________________________ A bit of explanation for the above decisions is in order.
Many have on the GalNet suggested we split up the pot, as it's better to make a lot of people rich, than simply one person super rich. This is the reason for 1: Having 3 prizes rather than the normal "Winner takes it all" 2: Not paying out *all* of the ISK in round 28.
By not paying out all of the ISK from round 27 as prizes in round 28, we hope that we will be able to *keep* paying out 1.75 Billion each time in the future drawings. A huge pot usually attracts a lot of ticket buyers. So our hope is, that we be doing it this way can *keep* attracting a lot of ticket buyers, and thus secure that we can *keep* paying out these *huge* prizes. By not paying out all of the ISK right away in round 28, we have a 'buffer', to at least ensure that round 29 will *also* have some huge prizes. Round 28 will show if the huge ISK prize is enough to attract enough tickets buyers so we can keep those prizes for good - Only time will tell.
We are keeping a cap, but raising it because: 1 : Many have in the past expressed fears that someone would simply 'buy up' the lottery, by buying say 500M ISK worth of tickets, and they would thus have no chance of winning. Although this has *zero* foundation in math, but is an entirely irrational human reasoning, it can never the less not be ignored as a factor ruling purchase patterns. Having the cap in round 27 might have been a contributing factor to many more giving it a shot, as they no longer had the above mentioned (irrational) fear. We want as many to take part as possible, so we keep the cap (although raising it to 5000 tickets) 2 : Round 27 showed that nearly everyone bought the maximum number of tickets allowed for that round - Which indicates that the cap might have been set too low (aka EVEians have more ISK to spend than assumed). So we will try with a 5000 ticket (5M ISK) cap instead this time. Hopefully, this will mean even more ISK in the pot, for even BIGger prizes in the future
Refund policy: Because we earlier have stated that round 28 would be 'free for all' (regarding the number of tickets you could buy), some might have thought "Heck I'll just toss in a lot of ISK now, and enter round 27&28 at the same time, and think no more of it". Due to the humongous pot size, that frankly overwhelmed us, we have changed this 'policy'. As such it's only fair to refund those, buying tickets under this assumption. But doing refunds is extra work, extra work we frankly donÆt need... As such, this refund policy will *only* be in effect for those *who have already* bought more tickets than the now imposed cap for round 28 allows.
A couple of examples are probably in order:
Player A purchases: Round 27: 10,000 tickets (10M ISK) Round 28: Nothing Player A gets a 5M ISK refund.
Player B purchases: Round 27: 10,000 tickets (10M ISK) Round 28: Any number of tickets Player B gets a 5M ISK refund. The tickets bought during round 28, are considered donations.
Player C purchases: Round 27: 5,000 tickets (5M ISK) Round 28: Nothing Player C needs no refund, as he is not over the cap.
Player D purchases: Round 27: 2,000 tickets (5M ISK) Round 28: 5,000 tickets (5M ISK) Player D has bought a total of 7,000 tickets, which is 2000 more than allowed. The ISK for the 2000 tickets will *not* get refunded.
Player E purchases: Round 27: Nothing Round 28: 8,000 tickets (8M ISK) Player E has bought a total of 8,000 tickets, which is 3000 more than allowed. The ISK for the 3000 tickets will *not* get refunded.
I hope the above (large amount of) examples, covers most questions... (wishful thinking )
BIG Lottery
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2004.05.24 20:28:00 -
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(continued)
I realize this might be a bit 'complicated', but thats the price we have to pay for 1) Moving the ISK pot to the next round and 2) Changing the cap on tickets.
From round 29 and onwards it will once again become pretty simply. Have faith
Remember the drawing of the new, the 28th, round of the BIG Lottery is on monday June 7th 1800 EVE time (GMT) in ingame channel 'BIG Games'.
Good Luck.
BIG Lottery
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Shevar
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Posted - 2004.05.24 20:35:00 -
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Edited by: Shevar on 24/05/2004 20:49:07 So basicly the chance of winning isk out of a ticket has been greatly lowered? Since alot more isk has been flown into the big drawing thingies and not everything is coming out of it... So basicly we have a ALOT smaller chance/isk ratio in reality then what was promised us?
Sorry but its still just plain ****ty. -------- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
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Dracoform
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Posted - 2004.05.24 20:37:00 -
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Quote from the rules of the 27 drawing:
""So there you have it : By only buying tickets in the BIG Lottery 1 year anniversary round (#27) you actually get *two* chances of winning BIG In round #27 you get the chance of getting the Imperial Issue Apocalypse and in round #28 you get the chance of running away with the *combined* sum of ISK put into the BIG Lottery pot, for rounds #27 and #28 - A sum I'm sure will beat any previous BIG Lottery records by far.""
How do you expect to be trusted in the future when you changing the rules for the lottery after the tickets has been sold???
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crazychimp
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Posted - 2004.05.24 20:43:00 -
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Edited by: crazychimp on 24/05/2004 20:45:10 Ummm, HELL NO
I payed into the pot, i want a chance to win it. Shifting my money to a lottery that i have to pay to enter again is totally unacceptable.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.05.24 20:47:00 -
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You do understand by yourselves that paying out a sum of about four billion isk OR MORE to a single person isn't that much a great idea right? No single player would have the use for that. Except for buying battleships for his whole 40 members corp, perhaps.
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crazychimp
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Posted - 2004.05.24 20:49:00 -
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Im not disagreeing that the pot needs to be split, but they cant shift it money i enter to get a chance to win the pot to somewhere where they expect more money.
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Shevar
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Posted - 2004.05.24 20:50:00 -
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JarJar your point being? That was kinda what was expected, if they would devide it up to 5 winners then that could be understood but not paying out all isk in the pot is just plain cheesy and not what was promised... -------- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
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Deloup Drakar
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Posted - 2004.05.24 20:52:00 -
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Quote: This cap *includes* any tickets you might have bought during round 27.
My only question in the rollover policy is....
Say in Round 27 I bought 3,000 tickets before knowing of the cap. And for round 28 I buy 2,000 more. Does this count as 5,000 or just 3,000?
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NAFnist
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Posted - 2004.05.24 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Shevar Edited by: Shevar on 24/05/2004 20:49:07 So basicly the chance of winning isk out of a ticket has been greatly lowered? Since alot more isk has been flown into the big drawing thingies and not everything is coming out of it... So basicly we have a ALOT smaller chance/isk ratio in reality then what was promised us?
This acctually gives everyone the same chance of winning (presuming everyone buys for 5 mill)
I think it's fair. _____________
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Shevar
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Posted - 2004.05.24 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: NAFnist
Originally by: Shevar Edited by: Shevar on 24/05/2004 20:49:07 So basicly the chance of winning isk out of a ticket has been greatly lowered? Since alot more isk has been flown into the big drawing thingies and not everything is coming out of it... So basicly we have a ALOT smaller chance/isk ratio in reality then what was promised us?
This acctually gives everyone the same chance of winning (presuming everyone buys for 5 mill)
I think it's fair.
Ehh yeah thats right but not all isk gotten through the ticket sales will be payed out, so the chance*isk is alot lower then paying out all isk gotten through the lottery... And thats kinda my point... -------- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2004.05.24 21:05:00 -
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Edited by: TornSoul on 24/05/2004 21:09:46
Quote: So basicly the chance of winning isk out of a ticket has been greatly lowered? Since alot more isk has been flown into the big drawing thingies and not everything is coming out of it... So basicly we have a ALOT smaller chance/isk ratio in reality then what was promised us?
Could you please explain the math behind that? (I dont get it)
"not everything is coming out of it..." Every single ISK will be paid out as prizes.
@Dracoform That post was made on the very first day of the Lottery - If you had read all the fourm posts, you wouldhave seen that many asked for a change in how the payouts should be handled - We have listened to those suggestions.
Furtermore - Because of all those suggestions, we have *several* times after that post stated that we *would* change things, and that *how* excactly we would do that, was undecided until we knew just how BIG the pot would become, as the options would change with the size.
@crazychimp You are automattically entered into round 28 - Nothing to worry about.
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JarJar your point being? That was kinda what was expected, if they would devide it up to 5 winners then that could be understood but not paying out all isk in the pot is just plain cheesy and not what was promised...
If you are ok with the prize money beeing split up, then I dont understand why you are so upset. Thats excactly what we have done.
AND we are trying to ensure that you will have more chances at a *huge* prize in comming rounds as well. By doing it the way we are, people will hopefulyl continue to buy *a lot* of tickets (because we can guarantee HUGE prizes), and thus ensure even furhter HUGE prizes, etc etc.
If we are really lucky - We can keep this going forever I dont think so, but we can at least keep it going for quite some time longer, than if we simply paid out everything in round 28, and woudl have to 'start at scratch' with round 29.
The *end result* beeing, that we over all will end up paying out a helluva lot more ISK over the next rounds, than if we simply paid it all out in ruond 28.
*Thats* the idea behind doing it this way. BIG Lottery
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crazychimp
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Posted - 2004.05.24 21:09:00 -
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@Torn
But Round 28 is only half of the POT.
I PAID to win the whole or percentage of that pot, so do I get free entry in to round 29? If not then You have effectively stolen my money by deception.
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Shevar
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Posted - 2004.05.24 21:11:00 -
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Quote:
If you are ok with the prize money beeing split up, then I dont understand why you are so upset. That excactly what we have done. AND we are trying to ensure that you will have more chances at a *huge* prize in comming rounds as well. By doing it the way we are, people will hopefulyl continue to buy *a lot* of tickets (because we can guarantee HGUE prizes), and thus ensure even furhter HUGE prizes, etc etc. If we are really lucky - We can keep this going forever I dont think so, but we can at least keep it going for quite some time longer, than if we simply paid out everything in round 28, and woudl have to 'start at scratch' with round 29.
So im together with ~4000 others are able of winning in all future rounds already? While tickets used to buy at later stages will be the same? Holy crap, i already feel sorry with the people organizing that . -------- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2004.05.24 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Deloup Drakar
Quote: This cap *includes* any tickets you might have bought during round 27.
My only question in the rollover policy is....
Say in Round 27 I bought 3,000 tickets before knowing of the cap. And for round 28 I buy 2,000 more. Does this count as 5,000 or just 3,000?
That counts as 5000 in total. BIG Lottery
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2004.05.24 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: crazychimp @Torn
But Round 28 is only half of the POT.
I PAID to win the whole or percentage of that pot, so do I get free entry in to round 29? If not then You have effectively stolen my money by deception.
People asked us to split up the prize - which we have done. So you'd not have been able to win more regardless. If you win first prize you win first prize.... BIG Lottery
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Amaron Ghant
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Posted - 2004.05.24 21:20:00 -
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First time entering. Wont be doing it again. Changing the conditions AFTER collecting the money will get you a bad rep, deserved or not.
The draw was for a poc in 27 and the isk in 28. NOT isk in 28,29,30,31 whatever.
Roids are a Menece I tell you, hunt then down I say, hunt them down!!
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crazychimp
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Posted - 2004.05.24 21:20:00 -
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Edited by: crazychimp on 24/05/2004 21:24:42 Edited by: crazychimp on 24/05/2004 21:23:50 You're missing my point. I payed to be invloved in the winning of part of almost 4 billion isk, but your only giving me the chance to win part of 2bill. And taking the othe 2bill away from players who paid for that chance.
I know the numbers are just rough.
Edit: Agree with Amaron
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2004.05.24 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: crazychimp Edited by: crazychimp on 24/05/2004 21:24:42 Edited by: crazychimp on 24/05/2004 21:23:50 You're missing my point. I payed to be invloved in the winning of part of almost 4 billion isk, but your only giving me the chance to win part of 2bill. And taking the othe 2bill away from players who paid for that chance.
I know the numbers are just rough.
Edit: Agree with Amaron
As I tried to tell you : If the 1st prize is one bill, what does it possible matter what the total pot is? BIG Lottery
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Amaron Ghant
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Posted - 2004.05.24 21:27:00 -
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It matters. My last post on this or any BIG related subject.
Roids are a Menece I tell you, hunt then down I say, hunt them down!!
Amaron Ghant the Mad Caldari Miner |
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Amaron Ghant
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Posted - 2004.05.24 21:28:00 -
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It matters. My last post on this or any BIG related subject.
Roids are a Menece I tell you, hunt then down I say, hunt them down!!
Amaron Ghant the Mad Caldari Miner |
Deloup Drakar
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Posted - 2004.05.24 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: TornSoul
Originally by: Deloup Drakar
Quote: This cap *includes* any tickets you might have bought during round 27.
My only question in the rollover policy is....
Say in Round 27 I bought 3,000 tickets before knowing of the cap. And for round 28 I buy 2,000 more. Does this count as 5,000 or just 3,000?
That counts as 5000 in total.
Thank you.
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crazychimp
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Posted - 2004.05.24 21:33:00 -
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Beacause I contributed to It FFS, so I want to be involved in the winning of it.
This Event has totally ruined my faith in BIG
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Deloup Drakar
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Posted - 2004.05.24 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: crazychimp Beacause I contributed to It FFS, so I want to be involved in the winning of it.
This Event has totally ruined my faith in BIG
you and 4,000+ others.
get in line for your cookie.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2004.05.24 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: TornSoul on 24/05/2004 21:41:21 @crazychimp
Last attempt...
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I payed to be invloved in the winning of part of almost 4 billion isk
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your only giving me the chance to win part of 2bill
If that part is 1 billion (1st prize) regardless of the pot size, what excactly is it then you are not involved in? BIG Lottery
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Shevar
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Posted - 2004.05.24 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: TornSoul
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your only giving me the chance to win part of 2bill
If that part is 1 billion (1st prize) regardless of the pot size, what excactly is it then you are not involved in?
In the 2 billion isk that is missing? You buy tickets for a small chance in a pot that is depending on the ammount of people that enter and the ammount of tickets they buy, when your chance of winning gets lower the chance of your tickets not winning gets bigger (ie. if you got 2 people entering with both 10k tickets you got a 50% of winning 2 million isk, with 3 people your chance of winning goes down by 17% but the price pot increases with 33%), now what you have proposed is suddenly changing the fundemental rules BIG have used in the past to winning a set ammount, while having ALOT of isk from 1 pot from which people assumed it would have been devided amongst them through pure chance.
Now the problem with this is basicly really simple, i've bought tickets to have a chance at winning the isk in the pot (not even going into how its devided, by 10 or by 100 or with 1 prize, i would prefer using the method of 1 big price since that that where the orignal rules, but i wouldnt consider it a big problem if that that would be changed to ie. as many 1 billion prices as possible). But what happens is that i only get a chance of not even winning half the ammount of isk that is in the pot, and thats not what i paid for... -------- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
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Fruny
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Posted - 2004.05.24 22:17:00 -
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I like the idea of spliting it up into 3 winners, but I disagree with keeping some of the isk for future lotteries. UNLESS the players that bought tickets in round 27 will have a ticket in all future lotteries untill the full 4mill(rough amount) isk is won. For those that buy in from now on only get a chance at that single lottery.
What does everyone think?
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Recruit
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Posted - 2004.05.24 22:24:00 -
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It sounds like you're just being greedy. 1,000,000,000 ISK is a ****load of money!
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Altai Saker
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Posted - 2004.05.24 22:54:00 -
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Edited by: Altai Saker on 25/05/2004 06:41:02 Seems we were all wrong to trust big with that much money.
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Helison
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Posted - 2004.05.24 23:10:00 -
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Splitting the money into more rounds is a very bad idea. We have already calculated of winning the whole pot and not the half.
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