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Murk Loar Polytope	Posted - 2008.10.27 00:57:00 - [2611] It's taken so long to beat the bugs out of all these patches now that speed freaks on TQ no longer seem to be so much of an issue.People learnt how to (or have seemed to from where Im sitting) counter-act speed fits and adapted accordingly. Just add the Orca to keep the carebears happy and leave TQ as is with a new log in screen..Genius! (And no,Im not a nanofanboi.)
Evan Batarr	Posted - 2008.10.27 01:19:00 - [2612] Edited by: Evan Batarr on 27/10/2008 01:21:06 Originally by: keano69 this will make more and more people get in bs's to kill bs's. bs blobs, great. Yep - but don't dare to solo in a BS or you die to everything smaller than you that manages to get in short range before you can pop it (which is highly unlikely). As a counter to this CCP Nozh offered several 'solutions' . I will only name the two 'best': - blob - fit small guns You can have a laugh here: Lolage
Necro Joe	Posted - 2008.10.27 03:24:00 - [2613] I think adding MWD jamming to warp scrams is a bit too much. How about adding a new type of warp jammer that has range slightly higher than scramblers (like 10-15km) and MWD jamming but only 1 warp scramble strength?
Hul'ka Minmatar MicroFunks	Posted - 2008.10.27 07:49:00 - [2614] why this topic isn't sticky? --------- phew phew
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2008.10.27 15:22:00 - [2615] Originally by: Hul'ka why this topic isn't sticky? That would be because CCP find this thread unpleasant to look at, basically its a massive thread that says they are **** heads.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.10.27 15:25:00 - [2616] Edited by: lecrotta on 27/10/2008 15:25:12 Originally by: Nian Banks Originally by: Hul'ka why this topic isn't sticky? That would be because CCP find this thread unpleasant to look at, basically its a massive thread that says they are **** heads. Yea but they did post the "local nerf" thread in hopes of deflecting ppls ire at this one a little....a bit like taking somebodies mind of a sore tooth by kicking them in the b0llocks but hey lol thats ccp for ya....
Hul'ka Minmatar MicroFunks	Posted - 2008.10.27 17:09:00 - [2617] Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 27/10/2008 15:25:12 Originally by: Nian Banks Originally by: Hul'ka why this topic isn't sticky? That would be because CCP find this thread unpleasant to look at, basically its a massive thread that says they are **** heads. Yea but they did post the "local nerf" thread in hopes of deflecting ppls ire at this one a little....a bit like taking somebodies mind of a sore tooth by kicking them in the b0llocks but hey lol thats ccp for ya.... they nerfing local? haha, have to check it out, was kinda busy monitoring speed nerf and ghost training topics. Guess that was their intention :p --------- phew phew
Uzume Ame	Posted - 2008.10.27 17:55:00 - [2618] Originally by: Necro Joe I think adding MWD jamming to warp scrams is a bit too much. How about adding a new type of warp jammer that has range slightly higher than scramblers (like 10-15km) and MWD jamming but only 1 warp scramble strength? No, actually is very fun this new change and I'm loving it in my armored ishtar
Nicoli Malthus Caldari The First Somerset Strikers	Posted - 2008.10.28 16:49:00 - [2619] I really think CCP needs to stop this over inflated nerf on speed. I play the game to have fun, i also play when i have time too. Slowing all ships speeds down, means i now have to sacrafice tanking for speed to finish missions in the same amount time, thus raising the risk. Big deal if i'm a mission runner, it's what i like to do, and so does 80% of the rest of EVE players. To me, in real life, time equals money, and i run my life as efficiently as possible to maximise the most out of my time. If it's going to take longer to finish missions, it's going to take more of my real life time, and that is not acceptable!! Parent's aren't going to like this, because now when/if they let their kids play, the kids are going to want more time to play, which isn't neccessarily bad, but there are obligations to be met before play time and going to bed at night. Parent's aren't going to want their playing longer, just to finish a mission, one that before only took 10 minutes to do, or now takes 15 or 20 minutes to do. This whole nerf is absurd! Just implement speed caps on ships, their structural integrity can only handle so much, even in the dead of space, because of different gravitational forces and such. Speed caps solve the whole problem, easily and efficiently. Leave the game the way it is, add speed caps, and problem's solved!!!
Vegetable Goodsoup	Posted - 2008.10.28 18:43:00 - [2620] Seems CCP wants Caldari Blobfares.Speed nerf was needed in small casses where players invested billions (not 100k isk like other people do) in officer fittings and implants. But seriously,these speed nerfs dont make any sense,first you nerf every ship's speed even the ones that are already slow as a snail,then you nerf webbers (the things that are used against speed if you didnt know CCP) then you buff warp scramblers to stop MWD... Seriously ,scrap all your speed nerf ideas,rething them for atleast 1 year and come back. Im not a nano-pilot but im not a blob-fan either. R.I.P EVE,you are in the hands of SOE II (CCP) ... NGE INC,not enough time to warp out.

Kel Solaar Soulbound.	Posted - 2008.10.28 19:31:00 - [2621] Edited by: Kel Solaar on 28/10/2008 19:33:17 It's basically pretty much like ecah time CCP is balancing EVE. Instead of dealing with the true problem and finding a focused solution to it, they automatically take the sledgehammer on left hand and the double axe on the right one (yeah, yeah they manage to do it, and it's proven every years ), put the mess middle of everything, breaking the game mechanics with no respect for their customers that spend a lot of time training specific skills or buy expensive gear. This time is even worse than usual, because instead of killing a class of ship at a time ( like they used to be ) they simply decided to change pretty everything and the way the game is actually played. Yes I'm a nano pilot and yes I was frustrated sometimes not being able to catch some fast flying bees, but you can defeat them ( and not only with nano yourself). This change is too much radical, something needeed to be done, but not the way it currently implemented by CPP devs. It will create too much new problems, unbalancing, unfairness, and to be honest no need to be a game designer to see the implications of such deep and radical changes ( just reading some pages of this thread already show this). And in the end it will be just the rise of something new to replace nanos ( Caldari, Ewar, dunno what) associated to months of testing to tweak back the game at a good level of balancing.
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2008.10.31 07:54:00 - [2622] So anyone know whats changed? Has CCP done anything positive to allay our fears or is it status quo?
Xenomorphea Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.31 09:02:00 - [2623] Originally by: Nian Banks So anyone know whats changed? Has CCP done anything positive to allay our fears or is it status quo? No. Cheers, Xeno
Q429	Posted - 2008.10.31 10:23:00 - [2624] Originally by: Xenomorphea Originally by: Nian Banks So anyone know whats changed? Has CCP done anything positive to allay our fears or is it status quo? No. Cheers, Xeno This. I've read pages about this nerf. Its **ing stupid. Not only did they not fix the problem, they spread it around. now, even frigate noobships can speed tank right out oof the box at a measly 30m/s. yes, you read right. 30 meters per second. not only that, but they also took away webs to make them useless unless you're flying in a blob, made missiles useless unless your flying in a blob, made all ships but frigates big ing sitting duck, unless ,ofcourse, you're in a blob. Did I miss anything? Basically, they moved the speed threshold for speed tanking from over 4000k/s to just over 30/ms for frigates, 150 for cruisers, and about 200m/s for bc. And they did this by completely ing tracking speed and missile explosion radius's. They completelt lost sight of the goal - and that was to prevent some few people from surpassing a certain speed that made them invulnerable. The answer was simple - get a phisics engine that wasn't built by first graders which can handle a few extra zeros, and then take the next step to give us a way to fight it. perhaps introducing a ship that specializes in shutting down MWDs over a distance, or make bubbles shut down MWDs. anything. there are a plethora of possible solutions. CCP Nohz nothing and his sidekick zulomuch just had to pick the solution that sucks the most . Neither play this game, or understand that even for non-nano users, eve ships are SLOW AS . Why the would you want to make them slower across the board unless you just waant to make us all go **ing insane?!?!?!?!11111eleventyone!11
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.31 17:05:00 - [2625] Quote: not only that, but they also changed webs to make them useless (unless you're flying in a blob), made missiles useless (unless your flying in a blob), and made all ships but frigates big ***ing sitting duck, (unless ,ofcourse, you're in a blob.)* Basically, they moved the speed threshold for speed tanking from over 4000k/s to just over 30/ms for frigates, 150m/s for cruisers, and about 200m/s for bc. And they did this by completely ****ing tracking speed and missile explosion radius's. Excellent summation.
Nifan	Posted - 2008.11.01 09:36:00 - [2626] Originally by: Q429 Edited by: Q429 on 31/10/2008 10:31:27 Originally by: Xenomorphea Originally by: Nian Banks So anyone know whats changed? Has CCP done anything positive to allay our fears or is it status quo? No. Cheers, Xeno This. I've read pages about this nerf. Its ***ing stupid. Not only did they not fix the problem, they spread it around. now, even frigate noobships can speed tank right out of the box at a measly 30m/s. yes, you read right. 30 meters per second.* not only that, but they also changed webs to make them useless (unless you're flying in a blob), made missiles useless (unless your flying in a blob), and made all ships but frigates big ***ing sitting duck, (unless ,ofcourse, you're in a blob.)* Did I miss anything? Basically, they moved the speed threshold for speed tanking from over 4000k/s to just over 30/ms for frigates, 150m/s for cruisers, and about 200m/s for bc. And they did this by completely **ing tracking speed and missile explosion radius's. They completely lost sight of the goal - and that was to prevent a few (billionaire?) people from surpassing a certain speed that made them invulnerable. They said their physics engine can't handle ludicris speeds. The answer was simple - get a physics engine that wasn't built by a bunch of first graders. And then take the next logical step to give us a way to fight nano-f a g g o t r y. perhaps introducing a ship that specializes in shutting down MWDs over a distance, or make bubbles shut down MWDs. anything. there are a plethora of possible solutions. CCP Nohz and his sidekick just had to pick the solution that sucks the most **. Neither play this game, or understand that, even for non-nano users, eve ships are SLOW AS F U C K. Why the f u c k would you want to make them slower unless you want us all to go f u c k i n g insane? Yet that's just what they did with an across the board speed Nerf. Isn't the bubble of HEAVY DITORS not allowing MWDs to work in 0.0?
Inzax Caldari StarShip Earth Technologies New Eden Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.11.10 14:39:00 - [2627] So, if I have a very expensive snake omega in slot six and they move my Rogue CY-2 to slot six, WTF happens to my snake Omega? Does it move to a different slot?
Darth Pheonix	Posted - 2008.11.10 15:00:00 - [2628] Originally by: Inzax So, if I have a very expensive snake omega in slot six and they move my Rogue CY-2 to slot six, WTF happens to my snake Omega? Does it move to a different slot? Yea, what if I have all of my implant slots full and I have a rogue set? What happens?
InstantCoffee	Posted - 2008.11.10 16:13:00 - [2629] Edited by: InstantCoffee on 10/11/2008 16:16:29 Edited by: InstantCoffee on 10/11/2008 16:14:29 I allready wasted so much time and money in EVE! First of all I skilled for Shield Tank on my Nidhoggur cause it had 6/6/5. And after I was done: NERF, new Slot Layout: 6/5/6. Ok time to skill for armor. Then I skilled for Black Ops, but what happend: They were Pre-Nerfed. And now my Flagship, my Minmatar Reconen Ships. I skilled Recon Level 5, maxed out all my Rapier/Huginn skills and finally: NERF. Please CCP: TELL ME WHAT TO DO! I AM SICK OF SKILLING FOR SHIPS THAT COULD BECOME NERFED EVERY SECOND. WHAT SHOULD I DO? START TO SKILL CALDARI? AMARR? GALLENTE? I am really, REALLY sick of it! AND NO! I WILL NOT STOP WHINING, finally it is time for whining! I don't think this 'rebalance' does make any sense at all. We had the ships with speed like Vaga, Inties and that stuff and we had the counter ships. Wasn't that great? This nerf makes both an end. Btw CCP: Just adding new tactics does not make the game better. If you guys start to overload it, it well get just confusing, nothing more, nothing less. P.s.: I hope the next Patch is called 'Second Genesis'!
philphy	Posted - 2008.11.12 09:17:00 - [2630] I don't think the speed nerf helps anyone really. From PvPers to mission runners and miners New Eden just got a whole lot slower - my mission running Domi went from an unacceptably(unacceptable to CCP that is) 144 m/s down to 118 m/s and my looting/salvaging megathron(with afterburner) went from 290 m/s to 240 m/s. Just how is this expected to improve gameplay I ask???? Seems like we used an elephant gun to shoot a mouse here and consequently ended up with a mess.

Ruciza Minmatar The Feminists	Posted - 2008.11.12 10:34:00 - [2631] Originally by: Nian Banks Originally by: Hul'ka why this topic isn't sticky? That would be because CCP find this thread unpleasant to look at, basically its a massive thread that says they are **** heads. They have already stated in a live dev blog that whiners should stfu, and they are 100% correct with it. Why care about clueless whining maggots? This thread is the outlet for meaningless frustrations. It's either CCP's way or the highway. They would be insane to prefer player opinion over their own on what is good for the balance of the product. Games don't work that way.
Commander Leto	Posted - 2008.12.17 18:41:00 - [2632] Wow free 5 days to bring back the reasons we all quit. Thanks CCP for nice gift of 5 days for free play time so we can find our old posts and show you again why we all quit after QR, you guys rock.
Reatu Krentor Minmatar Duragon Pioneer Group GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.12.17 22:45:00 - [2633] Originally by: Commander Leto Wow free 5 days to bring back the reasons we all quit. Thanks CCP for nice gift of 5 days for free play time so we can find our old posts and show you again why we all quit after QR, you guys rock. Can I have your stuff? -- stuff --
Ephemeron Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.12.18 04:08:00 - [2634] Have these new devs ever admitted they were wrong about anything? I doubt it
Christari Zuborov Amarr Ore Mongers	Posted - 2008.12.18 05:13:00 - [2635] I tried in ernest, and I have to say I'm having less fun now than before.
Commander Leto	Posted - 2008.12.18 21:45:00 - [2636] Originally by: Reatu Krentor Originally by: Commander Leto Wow free 5 days to bring back the reasons we all quit. Thanks CCP for nice gift of 5 days for free play time so we can find our old posts and show you again why we all quit after QR, you guys rock. Can I have your stuff? Merry Xmas you can have all my stuff. I will contract the ibis to you right away.
Dizeezer Velar Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2008.12.19 18:04:00 - [2637] Originally by: Commander Leto Wow free 5 days to bring back the reasons we all quit. Thanks CCP for nice gift of 5 days for free play time so we can find our old posts and show you again why we all quit after QR, you guys rock. QFT :)
Ecky X Shadow Company	Posted - 2008.12.19 22:42:00 - [2638] Good job devs, loving the speed nerf. I've been flying my Vaga more than ever, I "lol" at cruisers trying to catch me. No, seriously, I like it.


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