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Commoner Caldari Emergent Chaos Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.07.29 11:25:00 - [31] I agree, that web bonus was one of the selling points. Without it, you might as well buy a navy version of the apoc and the tempest for cheaper prices. The worst pvp'er in EVE :
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.07.29 12:05:00 - [32] Originally by: Linas IV Originally by: Bellum Eternus Why? They didn't have a web strength bonus to begin with. Plus they're PVP oriented ships, Marauders are not. By the way, I fly Minmatar recons and HACs. And still you are more worried about the 9% nerv on marrauders? i think that says enough. Btw Look at the Vargur and then complain again. What is WITH you people?!! Something gets broken, you don't fly it, and you all dance around with glee that someone else gets f#cked in the ass. WTF? I fly a Vargur. I love it, it's great. I also fly Rapiers and Huginns, and I still think they're very effective on SISI. The Kronos lost 50% of it's webbing capability (from 99% to 90%, effectively reducing it to what a Megathron can do currently with one web) and I WANT IT BACK. I don't see the Vargur getting it's target painter bonus nerfed do I? It's like everyone has been killed a thousand times by a Kronos and they're the most deadly ship in the game. FFS, I'll bet you've never even SEEN a Kronos on TQ with a PVP fit, much less been attacked by one. What does it matter to you if it gets fixed? Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Jufi Wekior Arachnid Logistics	Posted - 2008.07.29 12:45:00 - [33] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Linas IV Originally by: Bellum Eternus Why? They didn't have a web strength bonus to begin with. Plus they're PVP oriented ships, Marauders are not. By the way, I fly Minmatar recons and HACs. And still you are more worried about the 9% nerv on marrauders? i think that says enough. Btw Look at the Vargur and then complain again. What is WITH you people?!! Something gets broken, you don't fly it, and you all dance around with glee that someone else gets f#cked in the ass. WTF? I fly a Vargur. I love it, it's great. I also fly Rapiers and Huginns, and I still think they're very effective on SISI. The Kronos lost 50% of it's webbing capability (from 99% to 90%, effectively reducing it to what a Megathron can do currently with one web) and I WANT IT BACK. I don't see the Vargur getting it's target painter bonus nerfed do I? It's like everyone has been killed a thousand times by a Kronos and they're the most deadly ship in the game. FFS, I'll bet you've never even SEEN a Kronos on TQ with a PVP fit, much less been attacked by one. What does it matter to you if it gets fixed? No, what is it with you... Everyone is losing webbing strength but for some asinine reason you want the Paladin/Kronos to keep TQ strength exactly. They already improved the bonus to bring it further ahead of sisi webs in effectiveness then it is currently on TQ(rightfully so, 10% total boost would be pretty weak with the sisi webs) and you're still moaning and *****ing. Right now on TQ, anyone not flying a Kronos or a Paladin will have to get 3 webs on a target to reduce target's velocity by approx. the same amount. On sisi you'd need to put 5 webs on a target to get approx. the same effect as a Paladin or Kronos gets from just 1
Vengal Seyhan Sten Industries	Posted - 2008.07.29 13:11:00 - [34] Originally by: Bellum Eternus The Kronos lost 50% of it's webbing capability (from 99% to 90%, effectively reducing it to what a Megathron can do currently with one web) and I WANT IT BACK. I don't see the Vargur getting it's target painter bonus nerfed do I? It's like everyone has been killed a thousand times by a Kronos and they're the most deadly ship in the game. FFS, I'll bet you've never even SEEN a Kronos on TQ with a PVP fit, much less been attacked by one. What does it matter to you if it gets fixed? I think the main problem would be its amazing web ability in context with any other ships. Want to own in a gatecamp? Fit up a Marauder and remote rep it. 99% web FTW. Fit three! You can't tell me that lowsec gatecamping pirates (and others) wouldn't see an advantage in investing 650mill in the only type of ship that can do that with a single web? This of course, doesnt mean that it isn't broken.
Slade Hoo Amarr xPlaguex	Posted - 2008.07.29 13:18:00 - [35] Just implement a special webber, that only fits on a marauder with bonus (like cov ops cloaking). Everything will be fine
forum mematar	Posted - 2008.07.29 13:18:00 - [36] Originally by: Vengal Seyhan Originally by: Bellum Eternus The Kronos lost 50% of it's webbing capability (from 99% to 90%, effectively reducing it to what a Megathron can do currently with one web) and I WANT IT BACK. I don't see the Vargur getting it's target painter bonus nerfed do I? It's like everyone has been killed a thousand times by a Kronos and they're the most deadly ship in the game. FFS, I'll bet you've never even SEEN a Kronos on TQ with a PVP fit, much less been attacked by one. What does it matter to you if it gets fixed? I think the main problem would be its amazing web ability in context with any other ships. Want to own in a gatecamp? Fit up a Marauder and remote rep it. 99% web FTW. Fit three! You can't tell me that lowsec gatecamping pirates (and others) wouldn't see an advantage in investing 650mill in the only type of ship that can do that with a single web? This of course, doesnt mean that it isn't broken. Obviously it's a mission ship and not a PVP ship. Why would someone fly them in PVP? /me goes back to the Paladin training on all accounts --- http://stige.pingtimeout.net/evevids/
The Djego Minmatar merovinger inc	Posted - 2008.07.29 13:25:00 - [37] Originally by: Vengal Seyhan Originally by: Bellum Eternus The Kronos lost 50% of it's webbing capability (from 99% to 90%, effectively reducing it to what a Megathron can do currently with one web) and I WANT IT BACK. I don't see the Vargur getting it's target painter bonus nerfed do I? It's like everyone has been killed a thousand times by a Kronos and they're the most deadly ship in the game. FFS, I'll bet you've never even SEEN a Kronos on TQ with a PVP fit, much less been attacked by one. What does it matter to you if it gets fixed? I think the main problem would be its amazing web ability in context with any other ships. Want to own in a gatecamp? Fit up a Marauder and remote rep it. 99% web FTW. Fit three! You can't tell me that lowsec gatecamping pirates (and others) wouldn't see an advantage in investing 650mill in the only type of ship that can do that with a single web? This of course, doesnt mean that it isn't broken. Because it is mutch cheaper and more effective to use a remote repped Huggin with multiple Webs. Using a slow locking slow moving over expesive BS for Webbing in a gate camp will never happen, or if it would get down shot for shure. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
Hayman Wakefield Caldari Trans-Stellar Salvage Shipping and Securities	Posted - 2008.07.29 13:32:00 - [38] I agree the bonus needs to be put to 99% why it isnt just converted to a flat benefit from the BS 5 I don't know (oh that would mean it only had 3 level based bonuses and people would cry I suppose). It is there for one reason only: to stop NPC frigs in their tracks and hit them with large guns. If it isn't changed, people will not fit webs use the drone bay (yes I know this is used anyway) and the we get 2 marauders with a useless bonus. I suppose this will make the Golem the only Marauder to use at that point as I here the minnie one is useless apparently. Originally by: Capt Harlock "I have a mouse with a green tail". It's tail may or may not be green. The car however is mating with a monkey".
Weryl	Posted - 2008.07.29 14:45:00 - [39] According to my math .. for the web bonus to be identical to live for the maruaders it needs to be 13 per level instead of 10
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.07.29 14:46:00 - [40] Originally by: The Djego Originally by: Vengal Seyhan Originally by: Bellum Eternus The Kronos lost 50% of it's webbing capability (from 99% to 90%, effectively reducing it to what a Megathron can do currently with one web) and I WANT IT BACK. I don't see the Vargur getting it's target painter bonus nerfed do I? It's like everyone has been killed a thousand times by a Kronos and they're the most deadly ship in the game. FFS, I'll bet you've never even SEEN a Kronos on TQ with a PVP fit, much less been attacked by one. What does it matter to you if it gets fixed? I think the main problem would be its amazing web ability in context with any other ships. Want to own in a gatecamp? Fit up a Marauder and remote rep it. 99% web FTW. Fit three! You can't tell me that lowsec gatecamping pirates (and others) wouldn't see an advantage in investing 650mill in the only type of ship that can do that with a single web? This of course, doesnt mean that it isn't broken. Because it is mutch cheaper and more effective to use a remote repped Huggin with multiple Webs. Using a slow locking slow moving over expesive BS for Webbing in a gate camp will never happen, or if it would get down shot for shure. This. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION Inveniam viam aut faciam.

Mr Evilbadnasty Minmatar EVIL BADNASTY	Posted - 2008.07.29 15:53:00 - [41] /signed -----------------------
Malendra De'Forest	Posted - 2008.07.29 15:54:00 - [42] /signed
Bowel Owl	Posted - 2008.07.29 15:55:00 - [43] /signed
Kethry Avenger Krell-Korp	Posted - 2008.07.29 16:11:00 - [44] I agree with the original post the Marauders need to maintain there current level of bonuses to remain effective mission ships. Unless NPC speed gets nerfed too which there has been no mention of. And Marauders are not a very good choice for PvP, they have less HP than even Tech 1 ships, they are way easier to Jam, and they have Tech II insurance, which we all know doesn't really exist.
Pantaloon	Posted - 2008.07.29 16:33:00 - [45] /signed
Ethan Dean Gallente Excavation Omega	Posted - 2008.07.29 16:34:00 - [46] /signed
Galliana Foresta Gallente Fleeting Moments of Insanity	Posted - 2008.07.29 16:37:00 - [47] Edited by: Galliana Foresta on 29/07/2008 16:37:03 /signed I fly both the Paladin and Kronos and it's the web bonus that first attracted me to them as a PvE ship. Reducing my Domination webber effectiveness to 90% is a 10x nerf, and that's unacceptable for a ship that specialises in stopping small, close-orbiting targets dead in their tracks. Boost Pally/Kronos web bonus nao plox. HIRING\|KB\|PRESS
DOARota Gallente Guns of Liberty	Posted - 2008.07.29 16:37:00 - [48] With over 4 yeas of training gallente and watching every aspect of their ships get destroyed, I'd settle for this one ship getting screwed and the others getting fixed. Since that isn't going to happen, this one might as well stay broke too so they all share the same racial traits.
Lilith Velkor Minmatar Oyster Colors	Posted - 2008.07.29 17:43:00 - [49] Originally by: Bellum Eternus What is WITH you people?!! Something gets broken, you don't fly it, and you all dance around with glee that someone else gets f#cked in the ass. WTF? Its very sad but true. I'd say something about people failing in life and enjoying others being miserable, but... Makes one wonder, it is said the average eve player is way older than 25, doesnt seem to be the case.
MenanceWhite Amarr Red Light Navy	Posted - 2008.07.29 19:08:00 - [50] It's simple. Do you see a text where it says "npc speeds are nerfed"? no? Has the npc speeds been nerfed on SiSi? No? Do you know why npc speeds has'nt been nerfed? Because npc speeds are'nt supposed to get nerfed on that test patch. Yet Pala/Kronos webs has been nerfed, removing one of the main reasons to get them in the first place. Give me a break, they're pure PvE ships - have you ever seen one in PvP or with PvP-ish fitting? No. Just boost the freaking web bonus for them already. --- Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur

Sepheir Sepheron Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.30 00:43:00 - [51] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 29/07/2008 06:53:39 Originally by: Bellum Eternus My Paladin and Vargur hit just as hard. What's the issue? My friend flies a Golem and it's great. What's unfair? My rupture doesnt get such a webber bonus, just because your ship costs billions of isk you should not have unfair advantage!!!1one Ed: whoever finds any irony may keep it Oh yeah, just because your Rupture costs 5 million and my IBIS is free doesn't mean your Rupture should have an unfair advantage!
Sepheir Sepheron Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.30 00:43:00 - [52] Originally by: Sepheir Sepheron Originally by: Lilith Velkor Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 29/07/2008 06:53:39 Originally by: Bellum Eternus My Paladin and Vargur hit just as hard. What's the issue? My friend flies a Golem and it's great. What's unfair? My rupture doesnt get such a webber bonus, just because your ship costs billions of isk you should not have unfair advantage!!!1one Ed: whoever finds any irony may keep it Well, just because your Rupture costs 5 million and my IBIS is free doesn't mean your Rupture should have an unfair advantage!
Jufi Wekior Arachnid Logistics	Posted - 2008.07.30 01:11:00 - [53] I propose that marauders blow up the instant a player webs/scrams it or it webs/scrams a player, that way it can't ever be used in pvp and you can all have your 99% webbing you value sooo much. No more of this kind of videos .
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.07.30 01:33:00 - [54] Originally by: Jufi Wekior I propose that marauders blow up the instant a player webs/scrams it or it webs/scrams a player, that way it can't ever be used in pvp and you can all have your 99% webbing you value sooo much. No more of this kind of videos . Shhh. Quiet you! Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION Inveniam viam aut faciam.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.07.30 02:12:00 - [55] Originally by: forum mematar Originally by: Vengal Seyhan Originally by: Bellum Eternus The Kronos lost 50% of it's webbing capability (from 99% to 90%, effectively reducing it to what a Megathron can do currently with one web) and I WANT IT BACK. I don't see the Vargur getting it's target painter bonus nerfed do I? It's like everyone has been killed a thousand times by a Kronos and they're the most deadly ship in the game. FFS, I'll bet you've never even SEEN a Kronos on TQ with a PVP fit, much less been attacked by one. What does it matter to you if it gets fixed? I think the main problem would be its amazing web ability in context with any other ships. Want to own in a gatecamp? Fit up a Marauder and remote rep it. 99% web FTW. Fit three! You can't tell me that lowsec gatecamping pirates (and others) wouldn't see an advantage in investing 650mill in the only type of ship that can do that with a single web? This of course, doesnt mean that it isn't broken. Obviously it's a mission ship and not a PVP ship. Why would someone fly them in PVP? /me goes back to the Paladin training on all accounts oh god carebears. people PvP in them. get over yourselfs. there are PvP videos up on this very site of PvP in these ships. With the abilty to overheqat all of it's highs with 3 heat sinks plus cargo space for cap boosters, plus hlaf cap use plus half ammo use, plus they are faster equals good PvP ship. also they even come with an extra slot to put an ECCM however in my fleets we usually just remote ECCM them. after the web nerf they will become very powerful ships in the game, unlike all the other battleships they alone will be able to take out any frigate tackling it with a single/ or 2 webs. it used to be 90% to 99% nows it's 60% to 90% you should be hapy god forbid CCP decided based on your whining that it needs a nerf to be more along the lines of 80% and as for PvE have you tested it even? can your drones rip though a webbed npc? becuase after the nerf the navy apoc will only be able to web up to 60% which brings me to my final poit you really see no reaso to fly the plaldin over the navy apoc after the changes when the navy apoc can only web a 60%? your saying the ship is now useless and will never be flown. but that makes no sense becuase the other ships you could fly web for 30% less.
Daelin Blackleaf The Reclaimed	Posted - 2008.07.30 03:37:00 - [56] I'd wait and see if they tweak tracking and/or sig radius first.
Chum Tea Janitors of the Empire	Posted - 2008.07.30 11:20:00 - [57] I support the OP's motion. Marauders got the 99% web to be able to hit small orbitting NPCs, as the 90% webbers just didn't cut it. This is one of the core features, which is being taken from them totally out of context. Buff up the bonus to 13% per level of racial battleship, resulting in the old 99% speed reduction.
Lt Angus Caldari Lt Angus Corp	Posted - 2008.07.30 11:23:00 - [58] Im looking forward to all the whining about missions being impossible after the nerf Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Daan Sai HAZCON Inc	Posted - 2008.07.30 11:33:00 - [59] I agree with the pirate. We've drifted a long way from the stats that were used to generate the mission NPCs - just look at ECM, and now this big change has the potential to change mission balance a lot. A script for webs, range and or strength would be cool, NPCs are pretty dumb and have known orbit distances, the problem being largely with v close orbiting drones or web/scram frigs. MWD isn't an issue there in deadspace, but a 90% web is pretty important for v. close range mission NPCs when in a rail boat. Can the devs say if they are looking at the impact these changes have on missions? I am going to be running missions in a hype and a navy mega in the next few days and I'll let folks know how it goes..
forum mematar	Posted - 2008.07.30 13:02:00 - [60] Originally by: MotherMoon Lots of falling It was a CHJOKE!! If you check the links in my sig/check mematar ingame you should propably guess that I'm not a damned carebear --- http://stige.pingtimeout.net/evevids/



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