Originally by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe

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FAIL!

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Originally by: Lilith Velkor

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Hmm, I'd be careful with drawing attention to such unfair advantages over other peoples ships, someone might think its not balanced...

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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My Paladin and Vargur hit just as hard. What's the issue? My friend flies a Golem and it's great. What's unfair?

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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1x 60% web gets the speed reduction to -90%. We need it back at -99% to web those frigs/cruisers during missions. Thanks in advance.

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Originally by: Theron Gyrow

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Paladin / Kronos get a 10% bonus to web strength. With 90% web, it raises it to 99% web; a 60% web becomes a 66% web. Thus a target webbed by a Paladin or Kronos will move 34 times as fast unless something is changed.

Yeah, either the bonus needs to be boosted or changed completely, if it stays as is it is useless.

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Originally by: Theron Gyrow

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Paladin / Kronos get a 10% bonus to web strength. With 90% web, it raises it to 99% web; a 60% web becomes a 66% web. Thus a target webbed by a Paladin or Kronos will move 34 times as fast unless something is changed.

Yeah, either the bonus needs to be boosted or changed completely, if it stays as is it is useless.

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Originally by: Theron Gyrow

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Paladin / Kronos get a 10% bonus to web strength. With 90% web, it raises it to 99% web; a 60% web becomes a 66% web. Thus a target webbed by a Paladin or Kronos will move 34 times as fast unless something is changed.

Yeah, either the bonus needs to be boosted or changed completely, if it stays as is it is useless.

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Finally someone who understands the issue, although your math is wrong. When I fit a 60% web to my Paladin on SISI, it reads as a 90% speed reduction. I'm sure it's actually something like 89.9% or something similar, but it's roughly 90% and is displayed as such.

To the rest of you losers: the TQ Paladin with a 90% web currently has a webbing effect of 99%. This is used for webbing things like NPC frigs and such. A 90% web isn't sufficient. A 99% web is. This is how it was designed to work originally, and needs to be returned to that specification.

And no, simply adding tracking mods isn't acceptable and won't work regardless.

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Originally by: Theron Gyrow

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Finally someone who understands the issue, although your math is wrong. When I fit a 60% web to my Paladin on SISI, it reads as a 90% speed reduction. I'm sure it's actually something like 89.9% or something similar, but it's roughly 90% and is displayed as such.

To the rest of you losers: the TQ Paladin with a 90% web currently has a webbing effect of 99%. This is used for webbing things like NPC frigs and such. A 90% web isn't sufficient. A 99% web is. This is how it was designed to work originally, and needs to be returned to that specification.

And no, simply adding tracking mods isn't acceptable and won't work regardless.

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Originally by: Jufi Wekior

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Originally by: Theron Gyrow

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Finally someone who understands the issue, although your math is wrong. When I fit a 60% web to my Paladin on SISI, it reads as a 90% speed reduction. I'm sure it's actually something like 89.9% or something similar, but it's roughly 90% and is displayed as such.

To the rest of you losers: the TQ Paladin with a 90% web currently has a webbing effect of 99%. This is used for webbing things like NPC frigs and such. A 90% web isn't sufficient. A 99% web is. This is how it was designed to work originally, and needs to be returned to that specification.

And no, simply adding tracking mods isn't acceptable and won't work regardless.

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Let's do a comparison
TQ Paladin gets a 99% web which is about the same as 2 90% webs(-97.821%) on any other ship.
sisi Paladin gets 90% web which is more then 2 60% webs(-80.856%) on any other ship, it's closer to 3 webs(-87.4%) on any other ship.

PS. If it is 90% on sisi then it would appear the bonus has been boosted already from the original 2% per level to 10% per level.

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Originally by: Jufi Wekior

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Originally by: Theron Gyrow

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Finally someone who understands the issue, although your math is wrong. When I fit a 60% web to my Paladin on SISI, it reads as a 90% speed reduction. I'm sure it's actually something like 89.9% or something similar, but it's roughly 90% and is displayed as such.

To the rest of you losers: the TQ Paladin with a 90% web currently has a webbing effect of 99%. This is used for webbing things like NPC frigs and such. A 90% web isn't sufficient. A 99% web is. This is how it was designed to work originally, and needs to be returned to that specification.

And no, simply adding tracking mods isn't acceptable and won't work regardless.

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Let's do a comparison
TQ Paladin gets a 99% web which is about the same as 2 90% webs(-97.821%) on any other ship.
sisi Paladin gets 90% web which is more then 2 60% webs(-80.856%) on any other ship, it's closer to 3 webs(-87.4%) on any other ship.

PS. If it is 90% on sisi then it would appear the bonus has been boosted already from the original 2% per level to 10% per level.

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Indeed, it's 10% per level. Needs to be bumped to around 12% or so to attain the orginal -99% speed modifier.

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Originally by: Jufi Wekior

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Originally by: Theron Gyrow

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Finally someone who understands the issue, although your math is wrong. When I fit a 60% web to my Paladin on SISI, it reads as a 90% speed reduction. I'm sure it's actually something like 89.9% or something similar, but it's roughly 90% and is displayed as such.

To the rest of you losers: the TQ Paladin with a 90% web currently has a webbing effect of 99%. This is used for webbing things like NPC frigs and such. A 90% web isn't sufficient. A 99% web is. This is how it was designed to work originally, and needs to be returned to that specification.

And no, simply adding tracking mods isn't acceptable and won't work regardless.

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Let's do a comparison
TQ Paladin gets a 99% web which is about the same as 2 90% webs(-97.821%) on any other ship.
sisi Paladin gets 90% web which is more then 2 60% webs(-80.856%) on any other ship, it's closer to 3 webs(-87.4%) on any other ship.

PS. If it is 90% on sisi then it would appear the bonus has been boosted already from the original 2% per level to 10% per level.

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Indeed, it's 10% per level. Needs to be bumped to around 12% or so to attain the orginal -99% speed modifier.

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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*moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal*

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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Edited by: MotherMoon on 29/07/2008 08:01:51

Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Originally by: Jufi Wekior

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Originally by: Theron Gyrow

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Finally someone who understands the issue, although your math is wrong. When I fit a 60% web to my Paladin on SISI, it reads as a 90% speed reduction. I'm sure it's actually something like 89.9% or something similar, but it's roughly 90% and is displayed as such.

To the rest of you losers: the TQ Paladin with a 90% web currently has a webbing effect of 99%. This is used for webbing things like NPC frigs and such. A 90% web isn't sufficient. A 99% web is. This is how it was designed to work originally, and needs to be returned to that specification.

And no, simply adding tracking mods isn't acceptable and won't work regardless.

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Let's do a comparison
TQ Paladin gets a 99% web which is about the same as 2 90% webs(-97.821%) on any other ship.
sisi Paladin gets 90% web which is more then 2 60% webs(-80.856%) on any other ship, it's closer to 3 webs(-87.4%) on any other ship.

PS. If it is 90% on sisi then it would appear the bonus has been boosted already from the original 2% per level to 10% per level.

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Indeed, it's 10% per level. Needs to be bumped to around 12% or so to attain the orginal -99% speed modifier.

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all ships are going slower you don't need that 99% web anymore. 90% is IMO overpowered allready.

just be happy with having such a powerful tool when everyone else has 60% webs.

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Originally by: Arana Tellen

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Congratulations you all fail at reading the dev blog:

"Marauders will probably get their web bonus boosted"

That is all.

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Originally by: Jufi Wekior

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Indeed, it's 10% per level. Needs to be bumped to around 12% or so to attain the orginal -99% speed modifier.

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Right and it completely blew past you that Paladin got quite an impressive boost with the 10% on 60% webs instead of 2% on 90% webs. On sisi it's using the equivalent of 3 webs on just 1 module, whereas on TQ it's only the equivalent of 2 webs.

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Originally by: Shadowsword

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Maybe, before screaming about overpowered bonuses, you should ask yourself what the point of said bonus is in the first place?

Why do TQ Marauders have a bonus not on web range, but on web efficicency? The answer is glaringly obvious, it's to be able to hit even small NPCs with their large guns. This is one of the perks of the class, one of it's defining points.

If that class end up with 90% webs, then that point has disappeared.

Now, for pvp, even with 99% webs, do you really expect to see lots of them? They cost 750M, not because of high demand, but because they cost a shitload of efforts and skills to build. They are, and will remain, slow, fat targets, easily caught. Unlike a nano-ship who can flee almost any scenario. They remain easily jammable.

If you think a web bonus will turn pvp into marauder-online, you're mad.

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Originally by: Meiyang Lee

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Do keep in mind that with the changes to T1 Battleships currently on SiSi a Marauder is less fat, faster and more agile than its T1 equivalent. Their stats weren't changed.

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Originally by: Shadowsword

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Edited by: Shadowsword on 29/07/2008 08:16:20

Originally by: Jufi Wekior

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Maybe, before screaming about overpowered bonuses, you should ask yourself what the point of said bonus is in the first place?
Why do TQ Marauders have a bonus not on web range, but on web efficicency? The answer is glaringly obvious, it's to be able to hit even small NPCs with their large guns. This is one of the perks of the class, one of it's defining points.

If that class end up with 90% webs, then that point has disappeared.

Now, for pvp, even with 99% webs, do you really expect to see lots of them? They cost 750M, not because of high demand, but because they cost a shitload of efforts and skills to build. They are, and will remain, slow, fat targets, easily caught. Unlike a nano-ship who can flee almost any scenario. They remain easily jammable.

If you think a web bonus will turn pvp into marauder-online, you're mad.

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Originally by: Jufi Wekior

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Originally by: Shadowsword

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Edited by: Shadowsword on 29/07/2008 08:16:20

Originally by: Jufi Wekior

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Maybe, before screaming about overpowered bonuses, you should ask yourself what the point of said bonus is in the first place?
Why do TQ Marauders have a bonus not on web range, but on web efficicency? The answer is glaringly obvious, it's to be able to hit even small NPCs with their large guns. This is one of the perks of the class, one of it's defining points.

If that class end up with 90% webs, then that point has disappeared.

Now, for pvp, even with 99% webs, do you really expect to see lots of them? They cost 750M, not because of high demand, but because they cost a shitload of efforts and skills to build. They are, and will remain, slow, fat targets, easily caught. Unlike a nano-ship who can flee almost any scenario. They remain easily jammable.

If you think a web bonus will turn pvp into marauder-online, you're mad.

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I've not once said it is overpowered, in current sisi state, but asking for a 99% webbing bonus while EVERYONE else has to settle for a 60% web is too much. Even on TQ it's not that much of an increase in effect.

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Originally by: Amantus

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Real men don't need to get into blaster range.

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Originally by: Jufi Wekior

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It's the difference between hitting frigs with large guns, and not. So yes, it's a difference. And specifically I'm referring to NPCs.

Pretty much every post here saying that the current bonuses are 'good enough' are all concerned with PVP. Everyone knows that no one ever PVPs in Marauders. They're only for mission running, hence their arguement that it's 'overpowered' is absurd.

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Originally by: Linas IV

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If marauders get their web strengh buffed, i want something like that on my Minny Recons aswell!

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Originally by: Linas IV

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Why? They didn't have a web strength bonus to begin with. Plus they're PVP oriented ships, Marauders are not. By the way, I fly Minmatar recons and HACs.

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And still you are more worried about the 9% nerv on marrauders? i think that says enough.
Btw Look at the Vargur and then complain again.

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Originally by: Linas IV

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Why? They didn't have a web strength bonus to begin with. Plus they're PVP oriented ships, Marauders are not. By the way, I fly Minmatar recons and HACs.

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And still you are more worried about the 9% nerv on marrauders? i think that says enough.
Btw Look at the Vargur and then complain again.

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Originally by: Linas IV

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Why? They didn't have a web strength bonus to begin with. Plus they're PVP oriented ships, Marauders are not. By the way, I fly Minmatar recons and HACs.

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And still you are more worried about the 9% nerv on marrauders? i think that says enough.
Btw Look at the Vargur and then complain again.

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What is WITH you people?!! Something gets broken, you don't fly it, and you all dance around with glee that someone else gets f#cked in the ass. WTF?

I fly a Vargur. I love it, it's great. I also fly Rapiers and Huginns, and I still think they're very effective on SISI.

The Kronos lost 50% of it's webbing capability (from 99% to 90%, effectively reducing it to what a Megathron can do currently with one web) and I WANT IT BACK.

I don't see the Vargur getting it's target painter bonus nerfed do I? It's like everyone has been killed a thousand times by a Kronos and they're the most deadly ship in the game. FFS, I'll bet you've never even SEEN a Kronos on TQ with a **PVP** fit, much less been attacked by one.

What does it matter to you if it gets fixed?

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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The Kronos lost 50% of it's webbing capability (from 99% to 90%, effectively reducing it to what a Megathron can do currently with one web) and I WANT IT BACK.

I don't see the Vargur getting it's target painter bonus nerfed do I? It's like everyone has been killed a thousand times by a Kronos and they're the most deadly ship in the game. FFS, I'll bet you've never even SEEN a Kronos on TQ with a **PVP** fit, much less been attacked by one.

What does it matter to you if it gets fixed?

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Originally by: Vengal Seyhan

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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The Kronos lost 50% of it's webbing capability (from 99% to 90%, effectively reducing it to what a Megathron can do currently with one web) and I WANT IT BACK.

I don't see the Vargur getting it's target painter bonus nerfed do I? It's like everyone has been killed a thousand times by a Kronos and they're the most deadly ship in the game. FFS, I'll bet you've never even SEEN a Kronos on TQ with a **PVP** fit, much less been attacked by one.

What does it matter to you if it gets fixed?

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I think the main problem would be its amazing web ability in context with any other ships.
Want to own in a gatecamp? Fit up a Marauder and remote rep it. 99% web FTW. Fit three!

You can't tell me that lowsec gatecamping pirates (and others) wouldn't see an advantage in investing 650mill in the only type of ship that can do that with a single web?

This of course, doesnt mean that it isn't broken.

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Originally by: Vengal Seyhan

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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The Kronos lost 50% of it's webbing capability (from 99% to 90%, effectively reducing it to what a Megathron can do currently with one web) and I WANT IT BACK.

I don't see the Vargur getting it's target painter bonus nerfed do I? It's like everyone has been killed a thousand times by a Kronos and they're the most deadly ship in the game. FFS, I'll bet you've never even SEEN a Kronos on TQ with a **PVP** fit, much less been attacked by one.

What does it matter to you if it gets fixed?

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I think the main problem would be its amazing web ability in context with any other ships.
Want to own in a gatecamp? Fit up a Marauder and remote rep it. 99% web FTW. Fit three!

You can't tell me that lowsec gatecamping pirates (and others) wouldn't see an advantage in investing 650mill in the only type of ship that can do that with a single web?

This of course, doesnt mean that it isn't broken.

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Originally by: Amantus

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Real men don't need to get into blaster range.

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Originally by: Capt Harlock

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"I have a mouse with a green tail". It's tail may or may not be green. The car however is mating with a monkey".

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Originally by: The Djego

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Originally by: Vengal Seyhan

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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The Kronos lost 50% of it's webbing capability (from 99% to 90%, effectively reducing it to what a Megathron can do currently with one web) and I WANT IT BACK.

I don't see the Vargur getting it's target painter bonus nerfed do I? It's like everyone has been killed a thousand times by a Kronos and they're the most deadly ship in the game. FFS, I'll bet you've never even SEEN a Kronos on TQ with a **PVP** fit, much less been attacked by one.

What does it matter to you if it gets fixed?

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I think the main problem would be its amazing web ability in context with any other ships.
Want to own in a gatecamp? Fit up a Marauder and remote rep it. 99% web FTW. Fit three!

You can't tell me that lowsec gatecamping pirates (and others) wouldn't see an advantage in investing 650mill in the only type of ship that can do that with a single web?

This of course, doesnt mean that it isn't broken.

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Because it is mutch cheaper and more effective to use a remote repped Huggin with multiple Webs. Using a slow locking slow moving over expesive BS for Webbing in a gate camp will never happen, or if it would get down shot for shure.

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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What is WITH you people?!! Something gets broken, you don't fly it, and you all dance around with glee that someone else gets f#cked in the ass. WTF?

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Originally by: Torfi

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There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses

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Originally by: Oveur

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Originally by: Lilith Velkor

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Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 29/07/2008 06:53:39

Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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My Paladin and Vargur hit just as hard. What's the issue? My friend flies a Golem and it's great. What's unfair?

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My rupture doesnt get such a webber bonus, just because your ship costs billions of isk you should not have unfair advantage!!!1one

Ed: whoever finds any irony may keep it

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Originally by: Sepheir Sepheron

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Originally by: Lilith Velkor

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Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 29/07/2008 06:53:39

Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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My Paladin and Vargur hit just as hard. What's the issue? My friend flies a Golem and it's great. What's unfair?

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My rupture doesnt get such a webber bonus, just because your ship costs billions of isk you should not have unfair advantage!!!1one

Ed: whoever finds any irony may keep it

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Well, just because your Rupture costs 5 million and my IBIS is free doesn't mean your Rupture should have an unfair advantage!

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Originally by: Jufi Wekior

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I propose that marauders blow up the instant a player webs/scrams it or it webs/scrams a player, that way it can't ever be used in pvp and you can all have your 99% webbing you value sooo much. No more of this kind of videos .

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Originally by: forum mematar

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Originally by: Vengal Seyhan

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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The Kronos lost 50% of it's webbing capability (from 99% to 90%, effectively reducing it to what a Megathron can do currently with one web) and I WANT IT BACK.

I don't see the Vargur getting it's target painter bonus nerfed do I? It's like everyone has been killed a thousand times by a Kronos and they're the most deadly ship in the game. FFS, I'll bet you've never even SEEN a Kronos on TQ with a **PVP** fit, much less been attacked by one.

What does it matter to you if it gets fixed?

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I think the main problem would be its amazing web ability in context with any other ships.
Want to own in a gatecamp? Fit up a Marauder and remote rep it. 99% web FTW. Fit three!

You can't tell me that lowsec gatecamping pirates (and others) wouldn't see an advantage in investing 650mill in the only type of ship that can do that with a single web?

This of course, doesnt mean that it isn't broken.

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Obviously it's a mission ship and not a PVP ship.
Why would someone fly them in PVP?

/me goes back to the Paladin training on all accounts

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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Lots of falling

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Originally by: forum mematar

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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Lots of falling

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It was a CHJOKE!!

If you check the links in my sig/check mematar ingame you should propably guess that I'm not a damned carebear

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Originally by: Dapanman1

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Terrible idea, you're an idiot

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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

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Hiding would be the way to go.

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Originally by: Maeltstome

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Us: "Oh look, the only PVP viable marauder is being flown by the op!"

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Originally by: Amantus

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Real men don't need to get into blaster range.

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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Originally by: forum mematar

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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Lots of falling

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It was a CHJOKE!!

If you check the links in my sig/check mematar ingame you should propably guess that I'm not a damned carebear

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A.my sigs were not on

B. your name is forum member

C. you said those ships are PvE only, labeling yourself a carebear dude.

there are other thigns like scripts and stuff that could be put in but a 99% web is overpowered after the changes sorry it just it.

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Originally by: Cyrgon Flyingmachine

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90% won't cut it for catching the frigs and cruisers in missions which I am pretty sure was the point of having a 99% web.
If it wasn't then I wonder what the point was because that's what I have been using it for.

It would be interesting to see an official response to this, is it the devs opinion that the
post-patch web bonus is sufficient for what it's supposed to do?

I support this thread. o/

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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Edited by: MotherMoon on 29/07/2008 08:01:51

Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Originally by: Jufi Wekior

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Originally by: Theron Gyrow

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Finally someone who understands the issue, although your math is wrong. When I fit a 60% web to my Paladin on SISI, it reads as a 90% speed reduction. I'm sure it's actually something like 89.9% or something similar, but it's roughly 90% and is displayed as such.

To the rest of you losers: the TQ Paladin with a 90% web currently has a webbing effect of 99%. This is used for webbing things like NPC frigs and such. A 90% web isn't sufficient. A 99% web is. This is how it was designed to work originally, and needs to be returned to that specification.

And no, simply adding tracking mods isn't acceptable and won't work regardless.

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Let's do a comparison
TQ Paladin gets a 99% web which is about the same as 2 90% webs(-97.821%) on any other ship.
sisi Paladin gets 90% web which is more then 2 60% webs(-80.856%) on any other ship, it's closer to 3 webs(-87.4%) on any other ship.

PS. If it is 90% on sisi then it would appear the bonus has been boosted already from the original 2% per level to 10% per level.

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Indeed, it's 10% per level. Needs to be bumped to around 12% or so to attain the orginal -99% speed modifier.

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all ships are going slower you don't need that 99% web anymore. 90% is IMO overpowered allready.

just be happy with having such a powerful tool when everyone else has 60% webs.

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Originally by: Jufi Wekior

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Originally by: Cyrgon Flyingmachine

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90% won't cut it for catching the frigs and cruisers in missions which I am pretty sure was the point of having a 99% web.
If it wasn't then I wonder what the point was because that's what I have been using it for.

It would be interesting to see an official response to this, is it the devs opinion that the
post-patch web bonus is sufficient for what it's supposed to do?

I support this thread. o/

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The point was that you would have 1 module doing practically the same as 2 without the bonus.
The current 10% per level on sisi has the same result. 1 webifier doing the same job as 2(a little more) from another ship.

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Originally by: WillageGirl

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Originally by: Jufi Wekior

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Originally by: Cyrgon Flyingmachine

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90% won't cut it for catching the frigs and cruisers in missions which I am pretty sure was the point of having a 99% web.
If it wasn't then I wonder what the point was because that's what I have been using it for.

It would be interesting to see an official response to this, is it the devs opinion that the
post-patch web bonus is sufficient for what it's supposed to do?

I support this thread. o/

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The point was that you would have 1 module doing practically the same as 2 without the bonus.
The current 10% per level on sisi has the same result. 1 webifier doing the same job as 2(a little more) from another ship.

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And the point of this thread is that the webbing effect Kronos has on SiSi now isnt enough to allow it to fill its intended role. (hittings fast NPC's at close range...)

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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all ships are going slower you don't need that 99% web anymore.

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Originally by: Jufi Wekior

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Sure... Bellum will be using the Kronos for running missions...
Plant a tree, grow a clue.

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Originally by: Princess 02

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99% web was good in the nano-era...

Will 99% web still be good in the nerfed nano-era? or Overpowered?

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Originally by: Jufi Wekior

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Originally by: WillageGirl

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Originally by: Jufi Wekior

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Originally by: Cyrgon Flyingmachine

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90% won't cut it for catching the frigs and cruisers in missions which I am pretty sure was the point of having a 99% web.
If it wasn't then I wonder what the point was because that's what I have been using it for.

It would be interesting to see an official response to this, is it the devs opinion that the
post-patch web bonus is sufficient for what it's supposed to do?

I support this thread. o/

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The point was that you would have 1 module doing practically the same as 2 without the bonus.
The current 10% per level on sisi has the same result. 1 webifier doing the same job as 2(a little more) from another ship.

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And the point of this thread is that the webbing effect Kronos has on SiSi now isnt enough to allow it to fill its intended role. (hittings fast NPC's at close range...)

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Sure... Bellum will be using the Kronos for running missions...
Plant a tree, grow a clue.

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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Originally by: forum mematar

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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Lots of falling

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It was a CHJOKE!!

If you check the links in my sig/check mematar ingame you should propably guess that I'm not a damned carebear

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A.my sigs were not on

B. your name is forum member

C. you said those ships are PvE only, labeling yourself a carebear dude.

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Why do TQ Marauders have a bonus not on web range, but on web efficicency? The answer is glaringly obvious, it's to be able to hit even small NPCs with their large guns. This is one of the perks of the class, one of it's defining points.

If that class end up with 90% webs, then that point has disappeared.

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Have CCP actually stated that NPC frigates/cruisers etc are also getting a speed reduction ? I've certainly not seen it.

In which case it's simple logic. Either the Kronos can hit a webbed frig/cruiser or it cannot. If it can't it either needs another boost to put web back where it should be, or the bonus needs to be changed.

Having a bonus to web effectiveness is pointless if you still can't hit **** for toffee.

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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1x 60% web gets the speed reduction to -90%. We need it back at -99% to web those frigs/cruisers during missions. Thanks in advance.

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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1x 60% web gets the speed reduction to -90%. We need it back at -99% to web those frigs/cruisers during missions. Thanks in advance.

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Originally by: Vladameir Harkenin

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Edited by: Vladameir Harkenin on 10/08/2008 14:12:41

Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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1x 60% web gets the speed reduction to -90%. We need it back at -99% to web those frigs/cruisers during missions. Thanks in advance.

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So let me get this right, you have a 90% web and you want more, are you kidding me, I don't care if your large guns can't hit smaller targets, you have a drone bay, use it. I didn't even need a webber using my raven in missions, use your drones, they work great at killing smaller targets.

Alot of people in this game use slightly over 100mil isk battleships without webbers and have no problems with lvl 4 missions and you can't figure out how in a 750mil isk ship that is designed purely for running missions, no wonder we have nerfs in this game, people like this trying to pvp when they can't even run a simple lvl 4 mission.

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Pretty much every post here saying that the current bonuses are 'good enough' are all concerned with PVP. Everyone knows that no one ever PVPs in Marauders. They're only for mission running, hence their arguement that it's 'overpowered' is absurd.

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Originally by: Lopin Acheteur

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Pretty much every post here saying that the current bonuses are 'good enough' are all concerned with PVP. Everyone knows that no one ever PVPs in Marauders. They're only for mission running, hence their arguement that it's 'overpowered' is absurd.

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See the thing is, no one today uses a maurader where they could use 2 webs on another ship, because that single extra slot is not that valuable compared to the advantage. I sure as hell WILL use a Kronos in PvP if it is the only ship capable of giving a 99% web with 1 slot, while the best any other ship can do with 3 slots is 93.6%. Hell even with 90% with one slot vs 84% with a rapier using 2 slots, I will be strongly thinking about using a maurader in PvP post patch (99% web with two webs !, no other ship can do that even with 5 webs !)

If it makes them not as good at missioning, maybe it's the rats that need slowing down ;)

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Originally by: WillageGirl

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Originally by: Jufi Wekior

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Originally by: Cyrgon Flyingmachine

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90% won't cut it for catching the frigs and cruisers in missions which I am pretty sure was the point of having a 99% web.
If it wasn't then I wonder what the point was because that's what I have been using it for.

It would be interesting to see an official response to this, is it the devs opinion that the
post-patch web bonus is sufficient for what it's supposed to do?

I support this thread. o/

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The point was that you would have 1 module doing practically the same as 2 without the bonus.
The current 10% per level on sisi has the same result. 1 webifier doing the same job as 2(a little more) from another ship.

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And the point of this thread is that the webbing effect Kronos has on SiSi now isnt enough to allow it to fill its intended role. (hittings fast NPC's at close range...)

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Originally by: Sorien Marutor

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A 90% web is useless. Its not just "bad" - no its USELESS! (where useless means there is no difference whether you have one or not) There is no "want more" when you don't have anything yet! It's just "want something cause we have nothing usable".

I'd rather fit a 3rd or 4th Tracking Computer insteat of a 90% webifier. Don't forget most NPC vessels have a "mass". It's not "Turn 90% web on and he's at 5 m/s". It is "Turn the 90% web on and wait for 30 seconds per enemy to slow down enough to hit him".

And let's be honest. If it slows down enough to hit it's at 2-3 km distance where your tracking again doesn't hit him.


Oh sorry i forgot, you are one of the plenty raven noobs without tracking issues - and no need for webifiers also.

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Originally by: Vladameir Harkenin

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Originally by: Sorien Marutor

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A 90% web is useless. Its not just "bad" - no its USELESS! (where useless means there is no difference whether you have one or not) There is no "want more" when you don't have anything yet! It's just "want something cause we have nothing usable".

I'd rather fit a 3rd or 4th Tracking Computer insteat of a 90% webifier. Don't forget most NPC vessels have a "mass". It's not "Turn 90% web on and he's at 5 m/s". It is "Turn the 90% web on and wait for 30 seconds per enemy to slow down enough to hit him".

And let's be honest. If it slows down enough to hit it's at 2-3 km distance where your tracking again doesn't hit him.


Oh sorry i forgot, you are one of the plenty raven noobs without tracking issues - and no need for webifiers also.

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Last I checked all maruaders have a decent size drone bay, I have no problem running a lvl 4 mission with a domi or a raven, no I don't shoot little ships with missiles, waste of ammo, I let the drones kill them while I kill things I can hit (cruisers, bcs and bs's) and that web will help your drones.

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Originally by: Jim Hazard

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- can either only fit a scrambler or web (only matters for PvP of course)

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Originally by: Vladameir Harkenin

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Originally by: Sorien Marutor

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A 90% web is useless. Its not just "bad" - no its USELESS! (where useless means there is no difference whether you have one or not) There is no "want more" when you don't have anything yet! It's just "want something cause we have nothing usable".

I'd rather fit a 3rd or 4th Tracking Computer insteat of a 90% webifier. Don't forget most NPC vessels have a "mass". It's not "Turn 90% web on and he's at 5 m/s". It is "Turn the 90% web on and wait for 30 seconds per enemy to slow down enough to hit him".

And let's be honest. If it slows down enough to hit it's at 2-3 km distance where your tracking again doesn't hit him.


Oh sorry i forgot, you are one of the plenty raven noobs without tracking issues - and no need for webifiers also.

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Last I checked all maruaders have a decent size drone bay, I have no problem running a lvl 4 mission with a domi or a raven, no I don't shoot little ships with missiles, waste of ammo, I let the drones kill them while I kill things I can hit (cruisers, bcs and bs's) and that web will help your drones.

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Originally by: Amantus

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Real men don't need to get into blaster range.

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Originally by: forum mematar

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Originally by: Jim Hazard

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- can either only fit a scrambler or web (only matters for PvP of course)

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Whats this nerf?

Haven't heard of this

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Originally by: Roemy Schneider

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oh, this isnt a troll thread...? just when i thought i had grasped the meaning of it =(

as someone already pointed out: fit two webs now for -97.82%

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Originally by: Amantus

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Real men don't need to get into blaster range.

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Originally by: Lopin Acheteur

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Pretty much every post here saying that the current bonuses are 'good enough' are all concerned with PVP. Everyone knows that no one ever PVPs in Marauders. They're only for mission running, hence their arguement that it's 'overpowered' is absurd.

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See the thing is, no one today uses a maurader where they could use 2 webs on another ship, because that single extra slot is not that valuable compared to the advantage. I sure as hell WILL use a Kronos in PvP if it is the only ship capable of giving a 99% web with 1 slot, while the best any other ship can do with 3 slots is 93.6%. Hell even with 90% with one slot vs 84% with a rapier using 2 slots, I will be strongly thinking about using a maurader in PvP post patch (99% web with two webs !, no other ship can do that even with 5 webs !)

If it makes them not as good at missioning, maybe it's the rats that need slowing down ;)

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If you intend on PVPing witha Kronos or Paladin with two webs fit post patch, I'm adding you to my contact list and firing up my locator agents.

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Originally by: The Djego

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Edited by: The Djego on 11/08/2008 14:03:28

Originally by: Roemy Schneider

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oh, this isnt a troll thread...? just when i thought i had grasped the meaning of it =(

as someone already pointed out: fit two webs now for -97.82%

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Cool, i allways had only 3 of my 4 Meds realy in use. Finaly i can fit a Mod in.

So the dicison is, less Tank(barly since i only use 4 Slots for it) less Damage(switch a MFS with a Cap power Realy to remove the only Cap Recharger in the Fitting) or less Tracking/Range(Switch a Tracking Comp with a Web) for less Web Power overall.

Sounds like fun. But im glad it only hits the minority of Turret users that do PVE wiht Turrets. Since any Missle ship are not effected by this, looks quite balanced to me. Why not making hard mode a bit harder and maintain easy mode as it is?

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Originally by: Ethaet

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Increasing the web bonus to 13% per level gives 99% webbing from a 60% web.

It is balanced because:
1. marauders cost a lot, not many people would use one in pvp
2. any well skilled ecm pilot in a rook/falcon can permajam 2 marauders.

If people have the isk and are insane enough to take a kronos/paladin into pvp just for its web, congratulations, you get a slight advantage assuming there is no ecm arund, and you get BBQ'd if there is.

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Originally by: Lopin Acheteur

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Originally by: Lopin Acheteur

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Pretty much every post here saying that the current bonuses are 'good enough' are all concerned with PVP. Everyone knows that no one ever PVPs in Marauders. They're only for mission running, hence their arguement that it's 'overpowered' is absurd.

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See the thing is, no one today uses a maurader where they could use 2 webs on another ship, because that single extra slot is not that valuable compared to the advantage. I sure as hell WILL use a Kronos in PvP if it is the only ship capable of giving a 99% web with 1 slot, while the best any other ship can do with 3 slots is 93.6%. Hell even with 90% with one slot vs 84% with a rapier using 2 slots, I will be strongly thinking about using a maurader in PvP post patch (99% web with two webs !, no other ship can do that even with 5 webs !)

If it makes them not as good at missioning, maybe it's the rats that need slowing down ;)

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If you intend on PVPing witha Kronos or Paladin with two webs fit post patch, I'm adding you to my contact list and firing up my locator agents.

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You can meet my falcon alt too then

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Originally by: murder one

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You only have one Falcon alt?

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sry, the angel bashing tempest/vargur just doesnt pity your +5% damage pulse lasers nor the kronos bonuses.

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If Maurauders get a boost to web bonus then so should the matari recons and eelectronic attack ships as well as the Bhaalgorn etc..

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Originally by: Roemy Schneider

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Originally by: The Djego

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Edited by: The Djego on 11/08/2008 14:03:28

Originally by: Roemy Schneider

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oh, this isnt a troll thread...? just when i thought i had grasped the meaning of it =(

as someone already pointed out: fit two webs now for -97.82%

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Cool, i allways had only 3 of my 4 Meds realy in use. Finaly i can fit a Mod in.

So the dicison is, less Tank(barly since i only use 4 Slots for it) less Damage(switch a MFS with a Cap power Realy to remove the only Cap Recharger in the Fitting) or less Tracking/Range(Switch a Tracking Comp with a Web) for less Web Power overall.

Sounds like fun. But im glad it only hits the minority of Turret users that do PVE wiht Turrets. Since any Missle ship are not effected by this, looks quite balanced to me. Why not making hard mode a bit harder and maintain easy mode as it is?

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sry, the angel bashing tempest/vargur just doesnt pity your +5% damage pulse lasers nor the kronos bonuses. i've had it with the strongest weapon systems getting buffed all day.
dear god, one less MFS, what was i thinking

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Originally by: Amantus

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Real men don't need to get into blaster range.

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Originally by: Roemy Schneider

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errr... yes
your tank can't be sustained when fit for max damage......
sry, but... no sh** sherlock -.-

all the stuff mentioned is a given - lamenting about it just shows how spoiled some people are; right in the OP: you want to shoot frigs with large guns! and not just any - the biggest large guns!

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Originally by: Roemy Schneider

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all you have to do is spare one MagStab in order to get cap there, then fit a second web.
or actually use your >1k cargo for cap charges - replenish them from sanshas, serpentis, etc

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Originally by: Roemy Schneider

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if shield tanking were that easy.....

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Originally by: Roemy Schneider

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yeahyeah... flexible projectile ammo. translation: apart from dishing out a fraction of your EFT-dps, phased plasma and fusion (and titanium sabot) reduce it even more. add the fact that falloff means LOTS of missed shots and minnies can be glad if they deal half the damage you are used to.

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Originally by: Amantus

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Real men don't need to get into blaster range.

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Because it is mutch cheaper and more effective to use a remote repped Huggin with multiple Webs. Using a slow locking slow moving over expesive BS for Webbing in a gate camp will never happen, or if it would get down shot for shure.

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Originally by: Amantus

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Real men don't need to get into blaster range.

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Originally by: The Djego

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Even with a Domination Web you are limeted to 17km(with Overload).

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Er...fit at second web? Neither the Kronos or Paladin tank with their mid slots.

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