To be fair over the past 5 months Goonswarm has transformed itself into the biggest crybabies in game. The second something doesn't go their way, 7000 members take to the petitions and forums to ~right the wrongs of eveonline~.


Of course if you're asked to police your own people for botting, that's a crusade too far~

Liang: fair enough, but you still have to agree that it's not even remotely plausible as an intended mechanic that it locks up ships and that using this unintentional behaviour to lock down ships is very obviously the exploitation of a bug. Until they put in the required code to handle the exceptional situation (and again: I'll willingly and fully throw my weight behind any kind of GÇ£wtf, why didn't you fix it soonerGÇ¥ movement), just bring a Lachesis along GÇö they need to get out more often anyway.

Claiming CCP didn't know exactly what was going on is goddamn retarted, it's been explained to them in detail over and over again by people frustrated over losing their ships to faction police, by people wanting to make sure their tactics are legit and it's something every good PvP'er knows how to use to his advantage.

Up until yesterday it was a well known game mechanic no one had any issues with. CCP said that's how it's supposed to work, and players adapted to their rules. if they feel it needs to be changed then fine, they can change it so you'll allways be able ot cancell warp no matter what. But call it what it is; a change in game mechanics. The warp mechanics might be poorly designed, but this doesn't mean taking advantage of this is cheating; it's knowing how the game works and using that to your advantage.

So you do think that using a Rapier is an exploit. Wow.

isn't this something that the Internal Affairs department should look at?

The ship must be at speed (like on undock) and unaligned before hitting warp. Hitting warp in this state will force an obscene length of time aligning and speeding up while 'warping'. If a player applies webs to the target, adjusting it's max-speed in relation to the web bonus and then bump the ship to a speed greater than its max speed, the ship will be stuck effectively trying to slow-down in order to warp.

Again, this is nothing new. It can happen to ANY ship in almost ANY circumstance and it has been petitioned many, many times over the years. I believe it last happened to me after I was webbed by a rapier in a vagabond after I had initiated warp where my inertia upon getting webbed carried my current speed much faster than my max-speed after getting webbed. I was stuck in warp and promptly died. Rapier pilot exploits, I guess?

It's not exploiting a bug, it's exploiting ****** game mechanics that CCP introduced to stop you pulsing mwd then warping.

all you gotto do as a Pathetic Legion pilot is to form up proper subcap fleets for 'gudfights' ...its not really magic.
Tho :effort:?

Of course if you're asked to police your own people for botting, that's a crusade too far~

PL is known for their firm stance against botting

See what I did thar?

After much discussion with the leaders of NCdot, PL, Raiden and Hydra Reloaded I have convinced them to start using nothing but ECM against the CFC.

/metagame

Time to make a "if you warped you're dead" joke.

Let me tell you about this DBRB fleet I was in...

kinda hard when all you do is RUN(besides in a very few engangments where solar/gypsy props you up) ;)

tho thats totaly offtopic.

It's not an exploit. Ships are engaged/webbed/bumped after undocking thousands of times a day. It's been around for years and it's happened to all of us at one point or another either from faction police or in PVP itself. It's been petitioned in the past with none other than a standard "working as intended" reply so what's the hurf-blurf about now?

It is pathetic for you to pretend and come out with such strong a statement like this is something you didn't know about already. And it's even more sad that it took the cries of a thousand carebears and casual power-bloc players for you to say you're going to do something about it.

not an exploit. fix cancel warp.

the mechanic that is being "exploited here" has been in the game since it's inception.

in 2003 you could fit 4 mwd to a typhoon, fill the lows with power diags to make your capacitor large enough to fire them all in rapid succession.

the result would be that you accellerated to speeds faster than the, then 1au for all ships, warp speed.

it would take several minutes for you to coast down to a speed where you could once again manuever your ship.

in this case, instead of boosting your actual velocity to such an extreme, the webbifiers are lowering your 'maximum potential velocity" down to an extreme.


The question here is whether or not it should be considered an exploit.


the webbifier is reducing maximum velocity of a ship -- that's an intended mechanic.

This ship becomes unmanueverable when it's actual velocity is higher than it's "maximum" velocity -- another intended mechanic.


While the result may not be "intended", the mechanics are. I say no exploit here, as no game mechanics are being subverted at all.

( not that it actually matters what I say or anything )


To top it off, it's completely avoidable.

after undock, stop your ship.
align your ship
warp

if at any time before you are aligned and ready to warp you get attacked, you are then able to simply dock your ship.

The issue isn't just that you can't cancel warp, but how the core mechanics of how entering warp works.

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the issue is exactly that you can't cancel warp, while not being in warp. as long as ships is not in warp, it should be able to cancel warp align. because that's basically what pre-warp does. it simply aligns ships. there should be no special condition for pre-warp. ship is either in warp, or it isn't. as long as it isn't, it should be able to cancel warp. when it is, it can't be affected by modules.

This mechanic can could be horribly abused effectively making people unable to play the game. Its about the time CCP acknowledged it.

Imagine a hypothetical situation. You are scrammed and bumped off the station. But not shot at. You still can play the game. You can try to outrun or outsmart your captors, you can eject or self destruct. Now change that to webbed and bumped off the station. Now the only thing you can do is log off. Unless they shoot you or scram you.