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Tassi Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2008.08.07 18:15:00 - [61] Edited by: Tassi on 07/08/2008 18:15:58 So, fact is you are completely ignoring these facts: 1. Maelstrom is superior when roaming low sec (piracy) 2. Maelstrom is superior when roaming 0.0 (outside your home-region) 3. Maelstrom is superior when you meet weak ships with high dps, which you can eliminate and thus lessen the dps to a value where it is tankable again You know there are people who do piracy and 0.0 roaming?!
Trojanman190 D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.07 18:21:00 - [62] Originally by: Tassi Edited by: Tassi on 07/08/2008 18:15:58 So, fact is you are completely ignoring these facts: 1. Maelstrom is superior when roaming low sec (piracy) 2. Maelstrom is superior when roaming 0.0 (outside your home-region) 3. Maelstrom is superior when you meet weak ships with high dps, which you can eliminate and thus lessen the dps to a value where it is tankable again You know there are people who do piracy and 0.0 roaming?! Maelstrom is probably superior for low sec piracy, ill give you that. But roaming? I don't see why it would be a good ship roaming. Unless you mean its just better than the abaddon, and that I can see.
Rajere No Trademark Obsidian Empire	Posted - 2008.08.07 18:21:00 - [63] 25% ROF from Minmatar BS V = 72dps (but only at 3km optimal) NOTR How to Fail at Eve
Trojanman190 D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.07 18:24:00 - [64] Originally by: Rajere 25% ROF from Minmatar BS V = 72dps (but only at 3km optimal) Haha, that's awesome. Same dps from MUCH shorter range and both cap out only when their cap boosters die. Illustrates the point very nicely.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.07 19:02:00 - [65] Edited by: AstroPhobic on 07/08/2008 19:01:52 Originally by: Tassi Edited by: Tassi on 07/08/2008 18:15:58 So, fact is you are completely ignoring these facts: Epic lulz. Quote: 1. Maelstrom is superior when roaming low sec (piracy) 2. Maelstrom is superior when roaming 0.0 (outside your home-region) I didn't see you post convincing evidence, try again? BTW, me quoting your post and saying "blabber" means you didn't make valid points or view it as a whole, try again. Quote: 3. Maelstrom is superior when you meet weak ships with high dps, which you can eliminate and thus lessen the dps to a value where it is tankable again I don't see where you think gang DPS is that low. Let's say you have a fairly standard lowsec gang. 2 BS, battlecruiser, cruiser (lols), inty. 2 BS will do anywhere from 1k to 2.5k DPS depending on tank/range. I'll call it 1500 for giggles. BC will probably average 500-700 DPS. 600. Cruiser will do around 300-500. 400. Inty - negligable. 2500 DPS... sure, you can take out the cruiser fairly easily, and the BC DPS is low so it'll probably be buffered, and then you're stuck with 1500 DP... oh wait, you're entering hull damage. (Damn cactus - afk again)
Boz Well Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.07 19:03:00 - [66] Quote: (Damn cactus - afk again)
Arazel Chainfire The first genesis Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.08.07 19:38:00 - [67] Originally by: Tassi Edited by: Tassi on 07/08/2008 18:15:58 So, fact is you are completely ignoring these facts: 1. Maelstrom is superior when roaming low sec (piracy) 2. Maelstrom is superior when roaming 0.0 (outside your home-region) 3. Maelstrom is superior when you meet weak ships with high dps, which you can eliminate and thus lessen the dps to a value where it is tankable again You know there are people who do piracy and 0.0 roaming?! Erm... fail? Maelstrom superior when roaming in lowsec. Well... when I lowsec roam, I do it in my plated gank mega - after all, all I have to do is carry around an LAR 2 in my cargohold (20m3 or so) and i can rep back up after any fights. And i have yet to have multiple fights in the 15minutes before GCC expires. Of course, if you a really bad piwat, you don't have this option, but thats why -10 is bad m'kay? Maelstrom is superior when roaming 0.0. Well... when I roam 0.0, the only time I use a battleship is in remote rep gangs. At which point active tanking == waste. Solo battleship in 0.0? That sounds like a deathtrap as soon as the first nano gang comes along, and last I heard those were rather common out in 0.0. Small gang? Meet mr. blob, who you can't outrun, because you're in slowass battleships. Maelsrom is superior when you meet weak ships with high dps, which you can eliminate and thus lessen the dps to a value where it is tankable again. Do you then stop at that point? Not eliminate anymore ships? Personally, I like to kill ALL my opponents... i hear it drops dps on you down to 0. Quite frankly, I see no reason at all to fly a minmatar battleship (any of them) when you can fly another races battleship with at least lvl 3 skills. If you can t2 fit another races battleship, by all means go for that, unless of course you're just out for the lols... -Arazel Originally by: Tsanse Kinske Mutual Incomprehension is one of the Four Horsemen of most internet arguments, I guess, along with Unfettered Hostility, Overwhelming Vagueness, and Lack of Evidence.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.07 19:49:00 - [68] Edited by: AstroPhobic on 07/08/2008 19:49:21 Thanks Arazel. I was going to type a long winded reply to his post before that, but you saved me from it (phew.). Originally by: Boz Well Quote: (Damn cactus - afk again) Clearing brush... bloody catcuses all around with tiny needles that camouflage against their "seed pod" thing. They're about an inch long and orange - got about 100 in my leg, at which point blonde hair = oh damn. Had to come in to take 'em all out, so I got a little bit of time to check on my post.
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.08.07 19:50:00 - [69] Clearing the brush huh? Sure you were... ;)
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.07 19:51:00 - [70] Originally by: Amandin Adouin Clearing the brush huh? Sure you were... ;) Are you inferring cactus bestiality?
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.08.07 19:53:00 - [71] Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 07/08/2008 19:53:41 Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Amandin Adouin Clearing the brush huh? Sure you were... ;) Are you inferring cactus bestiality? Hey I didn't say it. Cactusist.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.07 21:11:00 - [72] Originally by: Amandin Adouin Hey I didn't say it. Would that make someone a Cactusist? That might hurt...
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.07 21:24:00 - [73] im sick of people telling everyone that you NEED t2 guns to be successful in a bs (not saying that you are telling people this) remember kids there are no such things as deadly ships, just deadly pilots
Boz Well Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.07 21:28:00 - [74] Originally by: Arvald im sick of people telling everyone that you NEED t2 guns to be successful in a bs (not saying that you are telling people this) remember kids there are no such things as deadly ships, just deadly pilots Well I think it sort of depends. With autocannons or pulse lasers, you're going to want your long range t2 ammo because it's just secksie. With other guns, it can make less of a difference. I agree with you Mr. Turtle that a BS with named guns and a good fit can still put out nice damage, can still kill people and can still win fights. But, I think what people are saying when they say you need t2 guns is that you are handicapped when your guns have a good t2 ammo that you can't use. Typically, this means less damage at range, but that can make or break some encounters. BS with named guns certainly aren't useless, but it is a bit like fighting with one arm tied behind your back, haha.
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.07 21:31:00 - [75] Originally by: Boz Well Originally by: Arvald im sick of people telling everyone that you NEED t2 guns to be successful in a bs (not saying that you are telling people this) remember kids there are no such things as deadly ships, just deadly pilots Well I think it sort of depends. With autocannons or pulse lasers, you're going to want your long range t2 ammo because it's just secksie. With other guns, it can make less of a difference. I agree with you Mr. Turtle that a BS with named guns and a good fit can still put out nice damage, can still kill people and can still win fights. But, I think what people are saying when they say you need t2 guns is that you are handicapped when your guns have a good t2 ammo that you can't use. Typically, this means less damage at range, but that can make or break some encounters. BS with named guns certainly aren't useless, but it is a bit like fighting with one arm tied behind your back, haha. oh and on the topic of mr turtle, check my title ingame
Boz Well Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.07 21:33:00 - [76] It fits.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.07 21:38:00 - [77] Originally by: Arvald im sick of people telling everyone that you NEED t2 guns to be successful in a bs (not saying that you are telling people this) remember kids there are no such things as deadly ships, just deadly pilots I tell people to get t2 guns before using a BS in pvp for 2 reasons. 1. Long range ammo. Really. It's sexy, own and a half. Probably doesnt make a huge difference once gang numbers get up there though. 2. Support. Chances are if you haven't trained xxxxx turret 5, your support skills aren't all that great either. If you already have 8m in gunnery, then obviously it doesn't matter as much. I still won't take a megapulse abaddon into pvp until I get t2 guns, but that's just my preference. It's split between costs and t2 ammo.
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.07 21:40:00 - [78] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Arvald im sick of people telling everyone that you NEED t2 guns to be successful in a bs (not saying that you are telling people this) remember kids there are no such things as deadly ships, just deadly pilots I tell people to get t2 guns before using a BS in pvp for 2 reasons. 1. Long range ammo. Really. It's sexy, own and a half. Probably doesnt make a huge difference once gang numbers get up there though. 2. Support. Chances are if you haven't trained xxxxx turret 5, your support skills aren't all that great either. If you already have 8m in gunnery, then obviously it doesn't matter as much. I still won't take a megapulse abaddon into pvp until I get t2 guns, but that's just my preference. It's split between costs and t2 ammo. i specifically ment the people that say never fly any bs unless you can fully t2 fit it, those bastards **** me off more than anything else >< but yes it is good advice
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.07 21:43:00 - [79] Chances are they're the type that also get large xxx spec to level 5 before training another race's frigate to 1. Anyway, you're taking my topic offtopic. Again. You guys always do. Fix projectiles plzthxbai.
Aleus Stygian	Posted - 2008.08.07 21:44:00 - [80] Edited by: Aleus Stygian on 07/08/2008 21:45:37 Originally by: Amandin Adouin OMG. Maelstrom w/lazer beams = <3 To see that beautiful ship with pink laser beams shooting from it. Now if we could just the Hello Kitty custom skin, so that it looks like the kitten is shooting the laser beams... ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGH! Also, hi again, Amandin. This seems to be the way we meet, huh? I'd go with the Abaddon, yes. Even though your lowslot setup suxxors. It slows the ship down when it actually needs to determine the distance to the Mael, doesn't help with the powergrid issues, and neglects an armor repairer and more potential resists. What are you thinking?! Also, since that seems to be the damn way things should work, somehow, slap on a cap booster for the Abaddon.
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.07 21:46:00 - [81] Originally by: AstroPhobic Chances are they're the type that also get large xxx spec to level 5 before training another race's frigate to 1. Anyway, you're taking my topic offtopic. Again. You guys always do. Fix projectiles plzthxbai. .......this thread is now abou pie.....ok sorry ill stop
Aleus Stygian	Posted - 2008.08.07 21:47:00 - [82] Originally by: Arvald Originally by: AstroPhobic Chances are they're the type that also get large xxx spec to level 5 before training another race's frigate to 1. Anyway, you're taking my topic offtopic. Again. You guys always do. Fix projectiles plzthxbai. .......this thread is now abou pie.....ok sorry ill stop How do I get out of this chicken-shit thread?
Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.07 21:48:00 - [83] problem here is buffer tanks... really. Support the introduction of well thought out Amarr solutions! I believe rats should avoid you if you have high standing with them.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.07 21:49:00 - [84] Originally by: Dristra problem here is buffer tanks... really. It's compound. A mixture of both active tank failure and projectile failure.
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.08.07 22:03:00 - [85] Originally by: Aleus Stygian ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGH! lol. Come on a Maelstrom with Hello Kitty sails that shoots lazers that go pewpewpew? That's not cute at all.
Aleus Stygian	Posted - 2008.08.07 22:04:00 - [86] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Dristra problem here is buffer tanks... really. It's compound. A mixture of both active tank failure and projectile failure. Projectile failure goes more together with artillery than it does with autocannons, but even the latter have some issues, yes. The simple answer? Just increase their range. Not their power. Well, that's the simple answer, at least...
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.07 22:05:00 - [87] Originally by: Amandin Adouin Originally by: Aleus Stygian ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGH! lol. Come on a Maelstrom with Hello Kitty sails that shoots lazers that go pewpewpew? That's not cute at all. Need to either have rainbow lasers, or Radio/Infra/MF/Radio/Infra/MF/Radio/Infra
Aleus Stygian	Posted - 2008.08.07 22:05:00 - [88] Originally by: Amandin Adouin Originally by: Aleus Stygian ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGH! lol. Come on a Maelstrom with Hello Kitty sails that shoots lazers that go pewpewpew? That's not cute at all. But throwing radioactive slag at people is? :3 Seems like we're starting to understand each other...
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.08.07 22:14:00 - [89] Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 07/08/2008 22:17:12 Am I the only one who knows what the freakin color pink is?!!! The Paladin = pink (ok maybe just when using the old graphics) Radio Waves = pink Get it straight. Geez. Edit: How's your cactus? ;)
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.07 22:18:00 - [90] Originally by: Amandin Adouin Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 07/08/2008 22:14:21 Am I the only one who knows what the freakin color pink is?!!! The Paladin = pink Radio Waves = pink Get it straight. Geez. Edit: How's your cactus? ;) Stop derailing! Out out out! fixprojectileskthxbai BTW. Ingame channel - Salvage Minmatar. For this stuff.

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