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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.08.11 10:40:00 -
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So here I am, cruising along in high sec looking for untanked AFK haulers to kill when I started thinking about the upcoming patch, how it's going to affect PVP in general, and how all the previous patches have affected PVP. I'm not going to state my opinion about where I think it's headed however. I just want to put some facts out there and their contributions to PVP in general:
(sort of in order by date, oldest first)
Hitpoint buff, then HP buff again: increased the time required to kill a target. More targets escape destruction.
T2 Ammo damage reduction (by some 20%+): all T2 ammo, long range and short ranged reduced in peak DPS and volley DPS. More targets escape destruction.
Warp to zero: targets either become invulnerable, warping straight from gate to station and back, or are only able to be attacked as they're jumping away from a gate, not into it. Excludes 0.0 bubble camps. More targets escape destruction.
Rigs are introduced: peak tank DPS and static HP skyrocket, peak speeds go insane, peak DPS remain static. More targets escape destruction.
The upcoming web nerf: few ships will be able to fit more than one web, or both web and 9km scram at the same time. Targets will MWD, AB or simply float back to gates and jump out, escaping destruction. More targets escape.
Ok, so remember when I said I wouldn't give my own opinon about all of this earlier? Well, I lied. I can't let the masses come to their own conclusion. Everyone is too stupid to arrive at the correct answer. Fortunately you have me here to do your thinking for you. \o/
Eve is moving further and further away from nonconsentual combat. Offensive ship capabilities continue to get compromised while defense is improved over and over again. Webs are key to holding a target away from it's avenue of escape long enough to kill it. Now this will be defunct as well. 0.0 guys will have less of a problem with this than lowsec and empire war players, but it will still be somewhat of an issue.
One of the main reasons that high sec ganking has become so popular is that it's the only way for attackers to access the ISK rich targets that never *ever* stray into their combat environment for any reason. They're not even able to be war decced the majority of the time due to NPC corps.
Am I saying that the game is doomed and coming to an end? Of course not. But I am saying that if you're a PVPer and you like killing other players for fun or profit, you're going to be liking the results less and less. Just wait till this time next year and you're able to recount all the stories about the one's that got away instead of the ones you killed.
CCP continues to reinforce the safety of those who wish to avoid PVP at all costs while doing it at the expense of the rest of the PVP crowd, regardless of what venue they PVP in, whether it be 0.0, low sec or empire.
Bellum Eternus
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Sylek
Amarr
The Fated
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Posted - 2008.08.11 10:49:00 -
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Bellum Eternus is my hero.
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Tzigan Jegos
Dirty Gypsies Trading Co.
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Posted - 2008.08.11 10:53:00 -
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tl;dr version
Last patches nerfed combat and made it easier to escape pvp. hp buff, t2 ammo dmg nerf, warp to zero, hp/speed rigs, web nerf.
Eve is moving further and further away from nonconsentual combat. Offensive ship capabilities continue to get compromised while defense is improved over and over again.
CCP continues to reinforce the safety of those who wish to avoid PVP
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.08.11 10:54:00 -
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So you joined the whining piwat ranks too ?
I thought you'd know better.
It seems that the "happy ganker" attitude is starting to show more and more often with more people joining EvE. I've been playing this game for some time now and never had any problem with pirates and such, not even on the forums. Yet lately some whines are too much for my liking. There are more and more kiddies here that think making the game miserable for everybody else is great fun.
That attitude will kill EvE a lot faster than CCP nerfs.
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Fedor Emilianenko
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Posted - 2008.08.11 10:55:00 -
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Edited by: Fedor Emilianenko on 11/08/2008 10:55:45
My thoughts exactly. All well said, OP.
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VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.08.11 10:57:00 -
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Agreed. The game is moving in the wrong direction. We are moving away from combat-oriented gameplay of all types. Did you even mention all the war dec changes? |
Furb Killer
Gallente
The first genesis
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.08.11 10:59:00 -
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tl;dr version:
Suicide ganker whines he hasnt total risk free profit.
Did it ever occur to you that a 1 minute long fight is more fun for both the loser and the winner than a 7 second fight where the winner alpha strikes the loser?
Which brings us to point 2, the only pvp you know is ganking unarmed haulers without any risk someone shoots you, that doesnt make it the only form of pvp in eve... |
Call'Da Poleece
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Posted - 2008.08.11 11:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Bellum Eternus
I can't let the masses come to their own conclusion. Everyone is too stupid to arrive at the correct answer.
Numpty
EVE is changing, you have to change with it or GTFO ... |
VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.08.11 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
tl;dr version:
Suicide ganker whines he hasnt total risk free profit.
Did it ever occur to you that a 1 minute long fight is more fun for both the loser and the winner than a 7 second fight where the winner alpha strikes the loser?
Which brings us to point 2, the only pvp you know is ganking unarmed haulers without any risk someone shoots you, that doesnt make it the only form of pvp in eve...
LOL NUB. Go to the video section of the forum and check out how bellum fights. |
Arctur Ceti
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Posted - 2008.08.11 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
So here I am, cruising along in high sec looking for untanked AFK haulers to kill...
Have you tried other forms of PVP besides ganking untanked AFK haulers in hi sec? I hear in low sec there's plenty of PVP to be had. |
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Zephyr Rengate
dearg doom
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Posted - 2008.08.11 11:03:00 -
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Many valid points. Does seem that it will become far too easy to escape a pvp situation now. I dont even think I could do a bit of solo pvp if the web changes go ahead targets would just be able to run back to any gate far more easily then it is as of now.
My main concern at the moment is how safe and rich high sec space is. |
Zephyr Rengate
dearg doom
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Posted - 2008.08.11 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Arctur Ceti
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
So here I am, cruising along in high sec looking for untanked AFK haulers to kill...
Have you tried other forms of PVP besides ganking untanked AFK haulers in hi sec? I hear in low sec there's plenty of PVP to be had.
******. |
Tippia
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.11 11:04:00 -
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While I agree with the OP in principle regarding the direction of the game…
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Rigs are introduced: peak tank DPS and static HP skyrocket, peak speeds go insane, peak DPS remain static. More targets escape destruction.
The upcoming web nerf: few ships will be able to fit more than one web, or both web and 9km scram at the same time. Targets will MWD, AB or simply float back to gates and jump out, escaping destruction. More targets escape.
…rigs also introduced ways of boosting your DPS, and the upcoming "nerfs" also boost a number of previously useless combat ships. |
Furb Killer
Gallente
The first genesis
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.08.11 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Zephyr Rengate
Many valid points. Does seem that it will become far too easy to escape a pvp situation now. I dont even think I could do a bit of solo pvp if the web changes go ahead targets would just be able to run back to any gate far more easily then it is as of now.
My main concern at the moment is how safe and rich high sec space is.
How is that a problem exactly?
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Zephyr Rengate
dearg doom
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Posted - 2008.08.11 11:05:00 -
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Encourages blobing. |
Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.08.11 11:05:00 -
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You forgot
- CCP approved logofksi
- Removal of aggro timer from one system to the next
- Insta warp transport buff
- Macherial nerf (incoming) for carrier invulnerabilty
- Nomad implants
- Cloak MWD
- Jump Freighters cyno to dock
And many more.
Yes CCP are lame. They love the bear-bucks though.
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2008.08.11 11:05:00 -
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concerning the being unable to wardec npc corp players and thier 'invulnerability' to pvp, there should be a new mechanic in place now that fw is here in that if you dont leave your noob starting corp after 3 months you are automatically enlisted by your factions militia and put in the militia corp until you find a player corp to join. |
Tzigan Jegos
Dirty Gypsies Trading Co.
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Posted - 2008.08.11 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Zephyr Rengate
My main concern at the moment is how safe and rich high sec space is.
Too safe. Too rich. Make all hi sec agents quality -15 and all low sec ones +20 
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.08.11 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Hugh Ruka
So you joined the whining piwat ranks too ?
I thought you'd know better.
It seems that the "happy ganker" attitude is starting to show more and more often with more people joining EvE. I've been playing this game for some time now and never had any problem with pirates and such, not even on the forums. Yet lately some whines are too much for my liking. There are more and more kiddies here that think making the game miserable for everybody else is great fun.
That attitude will kill EvE a lot faster than CCP nerfs.
Whining pirate ranks? (I refuse to misspell 'pirate' like a drooling inbred six year old).
Everyone has the exact same opportunity to kill everyone else. That's what makes Eve such a great game. If I wanted safety and boredom, I'd go play WoW. I hate WoW. WoW ****ing sucks. Why? Because all the stupid people can do just as well as all the really smart people. Why? Because it's too simple and easy.
I'm not whining. I'm just making an observation. I never said 'buhu I'm quitting, CCP is ruining my fun'. I'll adapt and inflict pain and misery on carebears regardless of what CCP does until they remove nonconsentual PVP completely. At which point I'll cash out and go do something else.
It seems that the "whiney carebear" attitude is starting to show more and more often with more people joining EvE. I've been playing this game for some time now and never had any problem with loser carebears and such, not even on the forums. Yet lately some whines are too much for my liking. There are more and more kiddies here that think making the game safer for everybody is great fun.
That attitude will kill EvE a lot faster than CCP nerfs. |
Kristina Jackson
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Posted - 2008.08.11 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Sylek
Bellum Eternus is "young adult" whose not got enough life experience to realise that he's not as smart as he thinks he is.
There, that's much better
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Vladimir Griftin
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Posted - 2008.08.11 11:07:00 -
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All the hitpoint buffs and damage nerfs did was make fights last longer. Thats a GOOD thing, longer fights = more room for tactical gameplay.
Your looking at the web nerf the wrong way, the nano nerf is actually designed to get you MORE fights. It stops people running away at ludicrous uncatchable speeds.
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Ebodhisatva
The Templars Knights
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Posted - 2008.08.11 11:07:00 -
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Quote:
The upcoming web nerf: few ships will be able to fit more than one web, or both web and 9km scram at the same time. Targets will MWD, AB or simply float back to gates and jump out, escaping destruction. More targets escape.
IIRC the scram has changed also: If you are scrammed, you will not be able to use your MWD.
(not that this differs to the OP's subject)
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Fedor Emilianenko
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Posted - 2008.08.11 11:08:00 -
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Rather than simply flaming the OP with a very simple statement on what he is and that that is bad, some of us here need to learn how to debate. Ok I will give you a clue... You have to raise the same points he raised and then argue why they are not to be seen in the same light that he sees them. Go on I dare you, use that brain!
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Sylek
Amarr
The Fated
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Posted - 2008.08.11 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kristina Jackson
Originally by: Sylek
Bellum Eternus is "young adult" whose not got enough life experience to realise that he's not as smart as he thinks he is.
There, that's much better
Dude, don't make me sound so intelligent.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.08.11 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
While I agree with the OP in principle regarding the direction of the gameā
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Rigs are introduced: peak tank DPS and static HP skyrocket, peak speeds go insane, peak DPS remain static. More targets escape destruction.
The upcoming web nerf: few ships will be able to fit more than one web, or both web and 9km scram at the same time. Targets will MWD, AB or simply float back to gates and jump out, escaping destruction. More targets escape.
ārigs also introduced ways of boosting your DPS, and the upcoming "nerfs" also boost a number of previously useless combat ships.
Incorrect my friend. Notice I said 'peak' DPS. Whether you add damage mods or rigs or a combination of the two, your absolute peak DPS won't change much before or after rigs due to the compound stacking of damage rigs and damage mods, and the fact that rigs only affect one damage bonus or another (ROF or damage), and not both at once like damage mods do.
Prior to rigs, there was *zero* way to increase your peak DPS/sec tank other than to add another rep, another shield booster, or another shield boost amp (or resists etc.).
Bellum Eternus
[Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION
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Furb Killer
Gallente
The first genesis
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.08.11 11:10:00 -
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He is only looking at ganking unarmed or totally outgunned targets, he isnt looking at 'fair' fights. Sure if you just want easy kills you dont like more HP, i personally prefer a real fight where both sides get kills or in a 1v1 where both sides end in hull than easy kills. Then i really enjoy longer fights alot more than dieing in seconds.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.08.11 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ebodhisatva
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The upcoming web nerf: few ships will be able to fit more than one web, or both web and 9km scram at the same time. Targets will MWD, AB or simply float back to gates and jump out, escaping destruction. More targets escape.
IIRC the scram has changed also: If you are scrammed, you will not be able to use your MWD.
(not that this differs to the OP's subject)
Um, what? I just *said* that. Solo PVPers will need *both* a web and a 9km scram (in addition to a 24km point) to stop MWD ships from escaping, by deactivating their MWD and then webbing them to 50%. If they have an AB, they'll escape regardless.
Bellum Eternus
[Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION
Inveniam viam aut faciam. |
Arctur Ceti
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Posted - 2008.08.11 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
I'll adapt and inflict pain and misery on carebears regardless of what CCP does until they remove nonconsentual PVP completely.
That's your problem right there. This isn't the game you think it is.
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Tippia
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.11 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Incorrect my friend. Notice I said 'peak' DPS.
Bah! Details! 
Ok, ok… conceded.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.08.11 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
He is only looking at ganking unarmed or totally outgunned targets, he isnt looking at 'fair' fights. Sure if you just want easy kills you dont like more HP, i personally prefer a real fight where both sides get kills or in a 1v1 where both sides end in hull than easy kills. Then i really enjoy longer fights alot more than dieing in seconds.
You in a 0.0 alliance to be fair. PVP on easy mode.
Oh and it looks like a lot of your kills were 20 man ganks :))
SKUNK
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