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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.08.12 17:35:00 -
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Edited by: LaVista Vista on 12/08/2008 17:38:07 Devblog
There's several issues with it:
1. The loss of techlab(API Discussion) 2. The Crime and Punishment forum description is misleading "Piracy, scams, mercenaries, and more. Carebears beware; C&P invokes the dark side of EVE's nature." 3. The market discussion description doesn't really tell what it's all about: "Share stock tips or get the inside scoop on trading."(Notice it's the current description) 4. EVETV forum - Unless the tournament is completely dead, are we supposed to spam all our questions to StevieSG on the general discussion forum? 5. Player gathering and events is not a gameplay area. It should be in the communication center 6.(Added) Don't merge the Events and the forum should NOT be merged with the player gathering forum.
Unless CCP is willing to actually make some changes, these forum changes should not be implemented any time soon.
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Ix Forres
Vanguard Frontiers Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.08.12 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista Devblog
There's several issues with it:
1. The loss of techlab(API Discussion) 2. The Crime and Punishment forum description is misleading "Piracy, scams, mercenaries, and more. Carebears beware; C&P invokes the dark side of EVE's nature." 3. The market discussion description doesn't really tell what it's all about: "Share stock tips or get the inside scoop on trading."(Notice it's the current description) 4. EVETV forum - Unless the tournament is completely dead, are we supposed to spam all our questions to StevieSG on the general discussion forum? 5. Player gathering and events is not a gameplay area. It should be in the communication center
Unless CCP is willing to actually make some changes, these forum changes should not be implemented any time soon.
Agreed. The Techlab is invaluable.
As to the EVETV forum, I wouldn't hold your breath for another tournament. That the EVETV forum has been condemned to the graveyard is somewhat indicative of CCP's current attitude towards EVETV.
-- Ix Forres EVE Application Developer ISKsense | RLS-EVE | Blog |
Salvis Tallan
The Shadow Order Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.08.12 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Unless CCP is willing to actually make some useful changes, these forum changes should not be implemented any time soon.
Fixed it for you.
also: WTB built-in search feature that works. ------
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.12 17:40:00 -
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I'd also like to hear about what is actually being done to improve the underlying forum code. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3) |
LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.08.12 17:41:00 -
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Agreed. Don't fix what aren't broken.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.08.12 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic I'd also like to hear about what is actually being done to improve the underlying forum code.
According to the information we got at CSM meetings, there won't be any underlying forum code. But I would like to be proven wrong.
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J Kunjeh
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Posted - 2008.08.12 17:45:00 -
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Can I also add that the forum needs a complete redesign and new tech behind it? The forum here is less than useful compared to how it could be. Check out the forums at Quartertothree.com for an example of a good setup and tech. We need to be able to send PM's, mark forums read, sort things to our liking and many other things.
I hear rumor that they're working with a third party on this, but can we get a status report?
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Adrielle Firewalker
WASTELAND MINERS Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.12 17:55:00 -
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Backing this. The loss of an official place to discuss the development of third party tools (i.e. the tech lab) is no good thing, and as far as I could see from the proposed new structure, there's no 'reasonable' alternative place to post about these projects, which makes me sad. ================
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TornSoul
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.08.12 17:56:00 -
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Edited by: TornSoul on 12/08/2008 17:56:28
Originally by: LaVista Vista
1. The loss of techlab(API Discussion) 5. Player gathering and events is not a gameplay area. It should be in the communication center 6.(Added) Don't merge the Events and the forum should NOT be merged with the player gathering forum.
Agreed on the above being completly bonkers and hopefully the result of someones brainfart (already stated so a bit more elaborate in the devblog comments thread)
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.12 18:04:00 -
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Oh, and please don't get rid of Eve Technology Lab!
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.12 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Tarminic I'd also like to hear about what is actually being done to improve the underlying forum code.
According to the information we got at CSM meetings, there won't be any underlying forum code. But I would like to be proven wrong.
Care to elaborate? Are they planning on using 3rd party forum software? ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3) |
Burchov
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2008.08.12 18:24:00 -
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Edited by: Burchov on 12/08/2008 18:24:23 Signed. The dev blog doesn't state why the forum is getting changed, only that it will be (for the worse). ________ Invention profit calculator |
Vessper
Indicium Technologies
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Posted - 2008.08.12 18:25:00 -
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Seems like changes are being made for change's sake.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.08.12 18:28:00 -
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Fix this place already, merge it with the idea forum, having both is needless clutter as most people don't bother with the other forum now that this whine express lane is in place and you must be here with your big [ISSUE] sign to be seen.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Matalino
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.12 19:00:00 -
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We need a forum for third party development: The Tech Lab must stay.
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.08.12 19:07:00 -
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.12 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista Agreed. Don't fix what aren't broken.
This. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Treelox
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.08.12 20:50:00 -
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dammit i have to agree with LV --
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Cesar Malari
Gunfleet Logistics
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Posted - 2008.08.12 20:54:00 -
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Tech lab must be saved. |
Dronte
Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2008.08.12 21:15:00 -
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It would definately be the wrong discussion to close down the Tech Lab, most of the interesting stuff on the E-O forums actually goes on here
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Dierdra Vaal
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Posted - 2008.08.12 22:06:00 -
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I agree with LaVista, these forums dont need reshuffling of various areas. They need a lot of feature upgrades.
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Tkar vonBiggendorf
Snake Eyes Inc Friend or Enemy
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Posted - 2008.08.13 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: Matalino We need a forum for third party development: The Tech Lab must stay.
Don't let the low post count fool you. Tech Lab is quality over quantity. Keep it!
I promise nothingÖ. --CCP Prism X |
Salvar Ar'adim
State Property
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Posted - 2008.08.13 03:13:00 -
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CAOD changes need to be clarified at the very least ______
Salvar Ar'Adim [RLLUP]State Property
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Get Chribba to publically denounce Veldspar, then we can start discussing winning EVE...
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Ami Nia
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Posted - 2008.08.13 03:56:00 -
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agreed
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.08.13 04:57:00 -
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I see a dev blog about forum updates, and I start into my happy dance...only to find out that they're not actually doing bugger all. Rewriting descriptions is nice and all, but it's not a "forum change", it's a bit of descriptive text. That's not worth a dev blog - if you're feeling really ambitious, you might mention it in a thread on Eve General. We want actual forum changes, at the code level, not a modification of the descriptor text.
Also, please don't make CAOD an in-character forum. I like the tards having their own little fenced-off area, and I don't want them invading the still-sometimes-sane forums.
Also, one other question I have - will any old threads be deleted? I'm an archivist at heart, and I hope all the threads from deleted boards will be moved to whatever remaining board seems most appropriate. ------------------ Fix the forums! |
J'Mkarr Soban
Proxenetae Invicti
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Posted - 2008.08.13 09:27:00 -
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I agree.
I'd also suggest to them that there are many open source ASP.NET forum software libraries out there. Mind you, that would mean they need to bring the entire website into the modern age - IIRC they are still using old ASP.
-- These are my personal views and in no way represent the views of Proxenetae Invicti, which maintains a neutral stance stemming from the strong ethics demanded of its work. |
Gabriel Darkefyre
Crystal Ship
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Posted - 2008.08.13 09:33:00 -
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Agreed, the forum doesn't need a reshuffle, it needs a complete Redesign from Ground Level upwards.
Given that all Posters on here are tied to an In Game Character, a PM system as requested above should be easy to implement, just allow us to access the EVE-Mail system from the Forum, bar Trial Account Characters from using the Eve-Mail System from the Forum (To avoid ISK Spamming) as a CSPA Charge can't apply for messages sent from the Forum only for messages sent ingame.
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Haloxx
Star Section 9
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Posted - 2008.08.13 09:53:00 -
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I agree first and foremost that removing Techlab is an issue!
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Hel O'Ween
Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.08.13 10:25:00 -
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EVE Tech Lab is the essential resource for all of us 3rd party developers. Judging the importance of a forum only by its post count (this is what seemed to have happened), is a too simplified means to make a proper decision. Two points:
1) Due to the nature of that forum's contents, the potential user/poster base is of course way lower than CAOD or MD, for example.
2) *Hint, hint* Developers posting there might actually know how to operate a search engine (eve-search, Google, whatever) and do so before posting the umpteens duplicate question about the same topic.
Both leads to a low post count.
We might see something new/a replacement for EVE Tech Lab for 3rd party developers with the upcoming EVELOPEDIA (which hopefully also provides a real, useful official API documentation). But if that's the case, stating so in the dev blog would have saved much of the rabble going on now. -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager |
Aero089
Exiled. Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.13 15:55:00 -
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Tech lab must stay THOUGH I'd like it if there would be a thread or system that could keep track of available tools, rather than having to dig through pages of topics to find what is interesting. ---
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Sarin Adler
Saturn Ammo
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:21:00 -
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CCP what about doing something usefull, like upgrade the akwardness of the web code and feature wise (ffs, we don't even have a proper search function any php forum has).
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Immersive
Immersive Technology Solutions
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Posted - 2008.08.14 01:44:00 -
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Tech Lab must stay!
(I fear it's an api pre-nerf tho ) --- New to the API? GrabRaw XML
It's coming...
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Jameroz
Echoes of Space
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Posted - 2008.08.14 03:57:00 -
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techlab!!
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Hiruko Kitomi
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Posted - 2008.08.14 04:30:00 -
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Fix search and posting problems before you do any of this non-sense.
More wasted time that could have gone to actually BENEFIT the paying customers.....
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Claymaker
Caldari Restless Oblivion
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Posted - 2008.08.14 09:42:00 -
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Tech Lab must stay.
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Draugrist Ithil
the oNe Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.14 10:53:00 -
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I support the tech lab
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Gilgamoth
Eldritch Storm The Matari Consortium
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Posted - 2008.08.14 11:38:00 -
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Tech Lab is only one of two forums sections I read, please leave it alone.
Regards,
Gil
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Serenity Steele
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Posted - 2008.08.14 19:39:00 -
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Thanks for putting this up LaVista. It's surprising the focus is here, given what we discussed at the last CSM/CCP meet.
EVE Technology Lab has to stay, it's spawned EVEMON, Outpost Alert!, Loads of information sites, google tool .. EVE Almighty .. it wouldn't be half as almighty without that forum and the slew of spawned 3rd party tools.
Count on my vote for Sunday's CSM meeting.
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Scavy Proximus
GenX Societies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.14 19:52:00 -
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I'm shocked that they would remove the Tech Lab and not even offering an alternative. This would simply be a big blow to 3rd party EVE application developement.
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Tareen Kashaar
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.08.15 04:20:00 -
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Tech Lab needs to stay.
Oh, and do we really need dev blogs about such puny things when there's a game to be fixed? ____________
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Tareen Kashaar
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.08.15 04:23:00 -
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Um, and I also support these issues <3 ____________
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Davik Rendar
ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.15 13:35:00 -
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Tech Lab definitely needs to stay. It's one of the only forums I regularly visit.
DONT KILL THE TECH LAB CCP
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SencneS
Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2008.08.15 19:38:00 -
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Why the hell would CCP want to get rid of Tech Lab, if they don't want Third Party API development then they might as well turn off API..
100% Supported.
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Yoinx
Gemini Sun
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Posted - 2008.08.16 11:29:00 -
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Edited by: Yoinx on 16/08/2008 11:32:45 I agree with this post...
Though, what do you expect? This is classic CCP... Rather than fixing actual issues they're just going to reshuffle things so that they can call it an upgrade.
Seriously. Quit playing around with things that are unimportant/unbroken and actually fix the things that are broken first.
Short List:
- Forums Search (thank god for third party search sites)
- Finding your own posts/threads (it can be done, but not as easy as it should be)
- IGB support. (seriously, ingameboard is even in the url, and it still fails)
Besides, who complained about the current organization of the forums that CCP wants to shuffle them anyway? There's no way it could have been more people than who complain about the forums being broken in this way or that.
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Amarr Holymight
Bat Country Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.08.21 06:23:00 -
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All they need to do is fix the search function and a bit of reshuffling. |
Yorick Downe
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.21 16:06:00 -
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Absolutely, we need a forum to discuss 3rd-party tool development. Please don't nerf TechLab.
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AcriQuo
Tribal Retribution
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Posted - 2008.08.21 17:11:00 -
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Dont nerf the techlab |
Sile Suirghiche
Gaidhlig Technology
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Posted - 2008.08.21 17:22:00 -
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Save the Tech Lab! |
Fudspari Hjikla
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.21 21:17:00 -
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Tech lab ftw!
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Eina Shadowlancer
Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.21 23:16:00 -
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Please save techlab!
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Sky Grunthor
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.22 03:43:00 -
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Keep the Tech Lab
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Haverloth
1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2008.08.22 12:05:00 -
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Please save techlab, I don't want it gone
If they're going to make a change to the forum, make it a real change to make the forum useful, don't just nerf areas. ____________________
http://1pg.vigilia-valeria.org http://www.amarr-empire.net |
BigWhale
Three WiseMen Association
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Posted - 2008.08.24 06:21:00 -
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Tech Lab! -- R, U & Y are letters, not words... |
Karentaki
Fighting While Intoxicated
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Posted - 2008.08.24 22:53:00 -
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/supported
The tech lab is a valuable forum resource, and shouldn't simply be removed.
Quote:
EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
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Iss Mneur
ARK-CORP SATRAPY
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Posted - 2008.08.25 05:59:00 -
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Originally by: Serenity Steele
EVE Technology Lab has to stay, it's spawned EVEMON, Outpost Alert!, Loads of information sites, google tool .. EVE Almighty .. it wouldn't be half as almighty without that forum and the slew of spawned 3rd party tools.
Its the truth!
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Revolution Rising
Venture Research and Resources
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Posted - 2008.08.26 06:19:00 -
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Please don't change the techlab forum.
Thx
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Stevil Knevil
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Posted - 2008.08.26 20:36:00 -
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Another gratuitous bump for keeping the tech lab. It serves a very different purpose to what the Game Dev forum is for.
(For more details see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=846273&page=1#5)
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Dragonaire
Caldari Corax.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:43:00 -
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Keep the Tech Lab. It's saving CCP from having to field a lot of questions by making third party resource findable but I'll also add my name to list that wishes the search was better. It's being low volume but high quality is so much better then the way most of the forums are that we'd have to wade thru if we lost it. -- Finds camping stations from the inside much easier. Been known to write some PHP code for API from time to time too. |
Apple Boy
Wyverns of Dionysus Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.09.03 05:22:00 -
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Leave the tech lab alone! It's practically the one section on this forum with almost 100% quality posts rather then random crap like caod, and it's got some great information.
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Elektra Cute
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Posted - 2008.09.05 14:04:00 -
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Stevil Knevil
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Posted - 2008.09.15 11:34:00 -
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Techlab is invaluable.
If closed I can well see the only possible compromise being a sticky thread on the GameDev forum with the title "For information about the Eve API and Player Generated Tools" and then simply have a link to an externally hosted forum.
Do CCP really want to push this information onto an external forum - and make it harder for new devvers to find?
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Wollari
StoneDogS Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.26 11:44:00 -
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i would miss the Tech Lab for API discussions.
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Kalahari Wayrest
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2008.09.26 19:29:00 -
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Quote: 1. The loss of techlab(API Discussion)
keep techlab plz __________________________ Indulge Me Consider Yourself Indulged - Immy ♥ Wow immy scored - Xorus
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SysFin
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