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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:59:00 -
[931]
 Originally by: Schalac
/c
Nope. Because you gain an unfair advantage over other miners as to the fact that your tank far surpasses anything else that can be ganked in high sec while mining.
talk about petty 
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SirKaill
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:59:00 -
[932]
Originally by: Schalac
So by these rules you are allowed to have a cap in high sec space but you can't do anything in it except sit outside of station with it. That means no ratting/mining/missioning. So please tell me what is the point of having a cap ship in high sec again?
you pay people to see it?
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Mikael Mechka
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:00:00 -
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Thank you CCP for doing the right thing. My faith in your views of the player community had been badly shaken by this incident. You have gone a long way to restoring that faith.
Thank you.
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Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:01:00 -
[934]
Originally by: Mikael Mechka
Thank you CCP for doing the right thing. My faith in your views of the player community had been badly shaken by this incident. You have gone a long way to restoring that faith.
Thank you.
"The right thing" meaning "caving to pressure".
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Schalac
Caldari
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:01:00 -
[935]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Schalac
/c
Nope. Because you gain an unfair advantage over other miners as to the fact that your tank far surpasses anything else that can be ganked in high sec while mining.
talk about petty
What's petty about it? They could basically mine all day long and unless you bring an entire fleet of BSs to gank it they will never be brought down. Do other miners have this option? The answer is no so there is using it's attributes to gain an unfair advantage over other people.
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Anti Protagonist
Hiro Trade and Logistics
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:01:00 -
[936]
Originally by: Kage Getsu
Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: GM Grimmi
2. If at war, or with war declaration pending, you may not take your capital ship out of station.
So i can perma war dec chribba and we wont officially be able to undock in his ship to even cyno it into low sec
SKUNK
If you don't do this I will.
I doubt that your CEO would agree. FRICK tends to have more sense than you've shown here. If I were your CEO, you'd be a former member in 24 hours.
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:02:00 -
[937]
Good call CCP. You thought things over and came to a rational conclusion.
Originally by: Kuzya Morozov
Cry more about it because you can't keep your sad dread in hisec.
Someone didn't read the GM post
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Reyold Bengali
Caldari
Core Research Expedition
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:02:00 -
[938]
Originally by: GM Grimmi
3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
This section could be interpreted very broadly.
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Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:03:00 -
[939]
Originally by: Anti Protagonist
I doubt that your CEO would agree. FRICK tends to have more sense than you've shown here. If I were your CEO, you'd be a former member in 24 hours.
And that's why you're in a carebear corp. Luckily there are three character slots per account so it will be easy to create a war without involving my main.
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:03:00 -
[940]
Originally by: Abrazzar
Heh.
"Let's poke the ant hive and see what happens."
"OMG THEY ARE SWARMING ALL OVER ME HALP!!!"
Oh dude, belly laugh....
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Wa'roun
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:04:00 -
[941]
Originally by: GM Grimmi
Greetings everyone,
About those capital ships in high sec…
First, I’d like to apologize for this whole debacle. The simple truth is that our policies on capitals in high sec were not all that clear internally as well as officially. In hindsight, we should have given the matter more thought and discussion before acting, a valuable lesson to learn and we’ll remember it in the future. The general idea was that no capitals should be allowed in high sec and then we had some vague un-official guidelines on ships built before changes and whatnot. Those rules were never really actually set in stone and hence the situation we face now.
This is an excellent opportunity to change all that. We have therefore decided to set the following rules for capitals in high sec:
1. Capital ships may under no circumstances be used for aggression.
2. If at war, or with war declaration pending, you may not take your capital ship out of station.
3. You may not use your capital ship’s attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
4. Breach any of the above and receive 2 weeks ban and off to low sec with your capital.
Along with those brand new actual rules, we will move Chribba’s Veldnaught back to Amarr, and will also move any other capital ship, by request, that was built in high sec before these changes were introduced. Anyone who had a viable high sec capital moved and wants it back should petition and we will take care of it as soon as possible.
With actual official rules on capitals in high sec, we should be able to make things work without further issues. We will be diligent about enforcing the new rules and anyone found in breach of them will have the offending capital ship moved out of high sec without advance notice, reversal or reimbursement. A two-week ban will also be imposed on the owner.
Thank you for your feedback, patience and understanding.
GM Grimmi
Lead Game Master
#3 can be used as a huge, broad excuse for interpretation of the rules.
Someone can say his high sec cap mining asteroids gives an advantage since no rats can ever hurt his mining vessel.
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Akira2501
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:04:00 -
[942]
EveryoneÆs so quick to condemn CCPà see they did the right thing after all.
Just a mistake.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:05:00 -
[943]
YAAAAAAAAAAY!!!
I am worried about 2 things though.
1) does mining in the veldnaught constitute an unfair advantage?
2) does this mean that you can keep the veldnaught permanently docked by wardeccing chribba?
cause that'd be lame
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How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:05:00 -
[944]
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Schalac
/c
Nope. Because you gain an unfair advantage over other miners as to the fact that your tank far surpasses anything else that can be ganked in high sec while mining.
talk about petty
What's petty about it? They could basically mine all day long and unless you bring an entire fleet of BSs to gank it they will never be brought down. Do other miners have this option? The answer is no so there is using it's attributes to gain an unfair advantage over other people.
You do know that a battlecruiser can extract more ore than the veldnought right?
The veldnought is a novelty ship, like the imperial issue apoc.
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Silam Ryder
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:06:00 -
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Ok, so aslong as I can make a ship with just as big tankor buffertank as his capital He can mine in it and all you petty people can go away?
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Hope Xar
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:07:00 -
[946]
Excellent!
That is a really good move on CCP and shows their quality that they actually listen to their players!
Everyone can make mistakes, no doubt about this. But if the mistakes are corrected, then it shows the true quality there!
Many other people/corps would have just stuck to their wrong decision so that they "don't lose face" which is so wrong and only makes things much worse.
Not so CCP! They saw that that it was not a good decision and corrected it quickly. That is good.
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Apoctasy
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:07:00 -
[947]
Originally by: Wa'roun
#3 can be used as a huge, broad excuse for interpretation of the rules.
Someone can say his high sec cap mining asteroids gives an advantage since no rats can ever hurt his mining vessel.
Exactly what I was thinking
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los ojos
COGNET SpaceSystems Ltd
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:07:00 -
[948]
Hooray!!!
Now, while we're feeling good about ourselves, bring on the nano-nerf and maybe no one will notice!
Quick! Do it now!!!
lo
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Theo Samaritan
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:07:00 -
[949]
Originally by: Schalac
That means no ratting/mining/missioning. So please tell me what is the point of having a cap ship in high sec again?
You can mine in them as they mine slower than a cruiser, and you never could mission or rat in one anyway.
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Schalac
Caldari
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:07:00 -
[950]
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Schalac
/c
Nope. Because you gain an unfair advantage over other miners as to the fact that your tank far surpasses anything else that can be ganked in high sec while mining.
talk about petty
What's petty about it? They could basically mine all day long and unless you bring an entire fleet of BSs to gank it they will never be brought down. Do other miners have this option? The answer is no so there is using it's attributes to gain an unfair advantage over other people.
You do know that a battlecruiser can extract more ore than the veldnought right?
The veldnought is a novelty ship, like the imperial issue apoc.
Does any battlecruiser have the cargo space that a dread has? Does any Battlecruiser have the tank that the dread has?
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Anti Protagonist
Hiro Trade and Logistics
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:08:00 -
[951]
Originally by: Kage Getsu
Originally by: Anti Protagonist
I doubt that your CEO would agree. FRICK tends to have more sense than you've shown here. If I were your CEO, you'd be a former member in 24 hours.
And that's why you're in a carebear corp. Luckily there are three character slots per account so it will be easy to create a war without involving my main.
Sounds like bait for a griefing petition really. And you've posted your intentions here for a nice record.
As far as what corp I'm in... Assume all you want. The whole "don't judge a book by it's cover" thing.
Can we institute an age requirement for this game to keep the immature children out?
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Claudia Voltaire
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:08:00 -
[952]
Originally by: Ga'len
You can **** off your customers only so much, then they engage in public outcry.
If you don't understand this, then you need to read the post again. Then look at all the hard work, time and money Chribba has put into this game. He's a vital part of the community. People sign up and play this game because of his celebrity. He's brought a lot to this game.
His complaint is a valid complaint and like so many of his efforts, it's not cenetered on just him.
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Ohh im quite sure it revolves entirely around him, why he and he alone posted this knowing the ever so predictable reaction, even if he hadn't dripped it with semantics about caring for the fate of others.
And if you realy belive any of the above (the out of game provided services) should count toward personal exceptions ingame, then you're completly wrong, were ccp to do it, their name would be mud.
Made my point anyway, im sure it's been clearly understood by those that havn't been caught up in the stir frenzy of the op.
Sorry if i go against the grain, seen the good the bad and the ugly of ccp many times, this isn't one of them. Him posting this here wasn't his best option, by doing this he's only dug the hole he was in even deeper.
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar
Warped Mining
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:09:00 -
[953]
About time CCP.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:09:00 -
[954]
Originally by: Wa'roun
#3 can be used as a huge, broad excuse for interpretation of the rules.
Someone can say his high sec cap mining asteroids gives an advantage since no rats can ever hurt his mining vessel.
I could say the same thing about my mining rokh...
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Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:10:00 -
[955]
Originally by: Anti Protagonist
Sounds like bait for a griefing petition really. And you've posted your intentions here for a nice record.
As far as what corp I'm in... Assume all you want. The whole "don't judge a book by it's cover" thing.
Can we institute an age requirement for this game to keep the immature children out?
What a world we live in where people think that declaring war is griefing.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:11:00 -
[956]
Originally by: Terianna Eri
2) does this mean that you can keep the veldnaught permanently docked by wardeccing chribba?
This rule does not make any difference when it comes to me. As I would never have undocked it anyway.
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Stormwind Bloodfeather
Minmatar
Sogdian Traders Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:11:00 -
[957]
Edited by: Stormwind Bloodfeather on 27/08/2008 20:14:37
Originally by: GM Grimmi
3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
This needs to be better defined. Chribba mines Veldspar in his Veldnaught and "some" will whine that he has an unfair advantage due to the Mining Lasers and Cargo capacity of the Veldnaught, I can already SEE someone making the mistake of claiming it's an unfair advantage "whine whine" concerning this. I think CCP needs to better define the "Unfair advantage" clause and make it very clear concerning the High-Sec Capitals what they can and can-not do to the nth degree. Currently this clause is rather vague and overly general...
Chribba: I am VERY happy to see you and the other High-Sec Capital ship owners got your ships back where they were. PLEASE be careful and ask for a clearer statement concerning rule 3, it has CCP WTF-PWN in waiting written all over it.
Storm
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Anti Protagonist
Hiro Trade and Logistics
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:11:00 -
[958]
Originally by: Kage Getsu
Originally by: Anti Protagonist
Sounds like bait for a griefing petition really. And you've posted your intentions here for a nice record.
As far as what corp I'm in... Assume all you want. The whole "don't judge a book by it's cover" thing.
Can we institute an age requirement for this game to keep the immature children out?
What a world we live in where people think that declaring war is griefing.
Declaring war with the sole purpose of keeping him from undocking his cap ship is griefing if you ask me. Of course, children will be children.
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Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:13:00 -
[959]
Originally by: Anti Protagonist
Declaring war with the sole purpose of keeping him from undocking his cap ship is griefing if you ask me. Of course, children will be children.
News flash! Carebear thinks war is griefing!
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Falcon Troy
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:14:00 -
[960]
Edited by: Falcon Troy on 27/08/2008 20:15:19
To all you idiots out there calling that Chribba's Veldnaught is an exploit because he's 'ungankable,' shut the **** up. It is gankable, albeit you might have to risk more of YOUR ISK to bring it down. I suppose if I deadspace tank a battleship and use it to mine forcing you to bring in multiple battleships then I'd be using an exploit as well? Get real and quit being jealous. The stupid ****s that post here...they amaze me so.
Since Chribba got his Veldnaught simply due to unusual circumstance instead of an actual exploit or glitch I suppose we should be taking action against those with unique ships as well. It's quite unfair that I did not receive one or even had the chance to try.
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