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Powers Sa GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 56	Posted - 2012.03.27 05:50:00 - [1141] - Quote Princess Bride wrote: The real question is, what action can CCP take to mitigate the damages in the lawsuit? No, probably not by the guy targeted by Alex. But if there ever IS a cyber-bullying lawsuit that drags CCP into court, and CCP didn't take action here, that WILL be used to prove that CCP ignored previous events, or that CCP is "soft" on cyber-bullies. Like it or not, there are laws against it in a few states already, you don't see an eventual cause of action against CCP? I bet CCP does. As a paralegal, I bet Alex has already done the math here. Just a matter of timing now. The guy is still alive. He doesn't even remember the event per evidenced by the chatlogs that have been posted. What are you talking about internet, not even wannabe lawyer.
Romar Agent Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 4	Posted - 2012.03.27 05:51:00 - [1142] - Quote I tip my hat to Mr. Gianturco. Now I'm interested in what the Mittani and the rest of the CSM have in store for this year...
Taiwanistan Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 230	Posted - 2012.03.27 05:51:00 - [1143] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: Taiwanistan wrote: Cipher Jones wrote: Show me that quote and Ill biomass. Otherwise HTFU and GTFO. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=46031&p=1 actually, don't biomass, i don't want to be responsible for your own mental instability Why would I biomass? You were wrong on top of being wrong. It's pretty laughable. just seems like youse a bitche from the bitchery bitchin about griefing wis shall not be a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, devoid of gameplay and consequnces.
Shandir Ferocious Felines 70	Posted - 2012.03.27 05:52:00 - [1144] - Quote Jonatan Reed wrote: Princess Bride wrote: The real question is, what action can CCP take to mitigate the damages in the lawsuit? No, probably not by the guy targeted by Alex. But if there ever IS a cyber-bullying lawsuit that drags CCP into court, and CCP didn't take action here, that WILL be used to prove that CCP ignored previous events, or that CCP is "soft" on cyber-bullies. Like it or not, there are laws against it in a few states already, you don't see an eventual cause of action against CCP? I bet CCP does. As a paralegal, I bet Alex has already done the math here. Just a matter of timing now. The grieving and trolling are part of the game, and CCP discloses in the EULA that it is. The minute you start playing on this game, you agree to all sorts of briefing and general asshattery. Deal with it. There are no laws that can do anything against CCP. I always find the ESRB sticker saying 'online interactions are not rated' as slightly humorous when applied to this whole scenario. Except that that's b*llocks, 'griefing' is defined, is against the rules, and is clearly what happened here. Most players who called for this extreme level of griefing (calling for a several thousand player harassment attack on an already 'distressed' player) would find themselves outright banned. And I'm having a hard time seeing why Mittens should get special treatment. I also think that anyone who followed Mitten's request and EVEmailed or otherwise harassed this player should given the exact same punishments. Edit: I'm really trying hard to have patience and wait for CCP's verdict and the opinion of the other CSMs. I don't think it's very helpful to call for his head at this point. But the Goon trolling keeps reminding me that he's the one who wants to be seen as the biggest douchebag in EVE Online. And EVE Online could live with a few less of those.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 1279	Posted - 2012.03.27 05:52:00 - [1145] - Quote stuntane wrote: He should resign and if not, be forcefully shown the door. This is unacceptable. I hope CCP has the foresight to see this is their opportunity to reset the standard and show the playerbase this ** is not on. It's also not just one man's juvenile actions but a culmination of the wider Eve culture's degradation that we've come to this point. I mean, again, that Alliance Panel - what the ** CCP. Reel your audience in, you're embarrassing yourselves and the rest of us. He is in the process of resigning his chair, if he can get anyone to accept it under these circumstances. I will agree with you on one point, I don't really see much point to the Alliance Panel... at least not how it is currently being handled. Now if it was a good natured question and answer period for alliance leaders, or a venue for alliances leaders to have a direct public dialogue with CCP devs, it would have a point. Drunken alliance histories and war stories... not so much. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point. Also, I can kill you with my brain.
Shogun Archer 30	Posted - 2012.03.27 05:53:00 - [1146] - Quote Haulin Aussie wrote: Headerman wrote: When someone gets drunk and does such a stupid thing like Aled did, then he deserves everything he gets. Advocating for people to encourage someone to kill themselves is NOT a light matter. Exactly. Being drunk is not an excuse. I didn't think they let you guys have video games... If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror.
Bane Necran 163	Posted - 2012.03.27 05:53:00 - [1147] - Quote Shere wrote: This is about people with some goon-grudge trying to find some oil for their torches and a stone to sharpen their pitchforks on Not just goons, but the type of EVE player they represent. Mittani doing this has become a catalyst for a much larger issue about this game.
Shandir Ferocious Felines 70	Posted - 2012.03.27 05:54:00 - [1148] - Quote Bane Necran wrote: Shere wrote: This is about people with some goon-grudge trying to find some oil for their torches and a stone to sharpen their pitchforks on Not just goons, but the type of EVE player they represent. Mittani doing this has become a catalyst for a much larger issue about this game. This, so much this. There's a line, and it should not be crossed.
Acwron Meet The Fockers Vera Cruz Alliance 17	Posted - 2012.03.27 05:55:00 - [1149] - Quote Scumbag in game, scumbag in real life. CCP still loves you tho. Resign and GTFO.
Shogun Archer 30	Posted - 2012.03.27 05:55:00 - [1150] - Quote Bane Necran wrote: Shere wrote: This is about people with some goon-grudge trying to find some oil for their torches and a stone to sharpen their pitchforks on Not just goons, but the type of EVE player they represent. Mittani doing this has become a catalyst for a much larger issue about this game. Cool, does that mean we will be flying cotton balls next year? If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror.
Xyla Vulchanus Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD. 24	Posted - 2012.03.27 05:55:00 - [1151] - Quote Why does anyone really give a crap about this? It was just a tasteless joke. Get over it peoples. Mittani for CSM 8!
Xutech GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 161	Posted - 2012.03.27 05:56:00 - [1152] - Quote The EVE convention gives people a limited amount of time to meet everyone they know, socialize and discuss topics. Is it hardly surprising that a convention that features alcohol would contribute to people acting unwisely? The fact is that the Mittani was inebriated at the point where he made his speech in front of hundreds of people. Is it hardly surprising that he may have spoken some unwise words, given a little too much information away? Given that the EVE convention has, in the past, featured short movies of devs flying spaceships made out of beer bottles, is it surprising that anyone attending not be in full control of their faculties? He has made an apology, he has been embarrassed. That is a healthy situation. One where a person has made a mistake and can recognize it. Anyone in a leadership position, in the spotlight, day after day, will make mistakes. We cannot remove a leader every time they make a mistake, we would have no-one left to lead. The Mittani got a huge number of votes, he does his job well, he does hold CCP to account. I would like to see him tone down the drinking, or leave it till the end of the convention. I think that is a fair request that we can make. Asking him to resign is not a reasonable request given his year round work. Xutech of the KUGU community.
HazardsSoul BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 0	Posted - 2012.03.27 05:57:00 - [1153] - Quote Acwron wrote: Scumbag in game, scumbag in real life. CCP still loves you tho. Resign and GTFO. Wow, the nails have realy come out now huh?
Lolmer Yahoo Inc Caffeine Nicotine and Hate 23	Posted - 2012.03.27 05:57:00 - [1154] - Quote Comtezza wrote: Please tell me others have looked at the voting list and realized that if BOTH Darius and Mittens left . . . who would now be number 14 He'd be better than Darius III, that's for sure, though I still wouldn't want riverini on the CSM.
Shogun Archer 31	Posted - 2012.03.27 05:57:00 - [1155] - Quote Shandir wrote: Bane Necran wrote: Shere wrote: This is about people with some goon-grudge trying to find some oil for their torches and a stone to sharpen their pitchforks on Not just goons, but the type of EVE player they represent. Mittani doing this has become a catalyst for a much larger issue about this game. This, so much this. There's a line, and it should not be crossed. And so it goes... Ten people out of 300000 are "offended" for someone they don't even know or have never even met, yet they want to dictate the rules to the rest of the majority of people who either do not care or do not agree. If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror.
Haulin Aussie Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2012.03.27 05:58:00 - [1156] - Quote Shere wrote: This is about people with some goon-grudge trying to find some oil for their torches and a stone to sharpen their pitchforks on It wouldn't matter whether it was the Mittani or Chribba, when somethings wrong its wrong. Funny how every goonswarm post is in defence of their awesome leader by default, kinda like how he got voted chair in the first place
Princess Bride Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium 215	Posted - 2012.03.27 05:58:00 - [1157] - Quote Jonatan Reed wrote: Princess Bride wrote: The real question is, what action can CCP take to mitigate the damages in the lawsuit? No, probably not by the guy targeted by Alex. But if there ever IS a cyber-bullying lawsuit that drags CCP into court, and CCP didn't take action here, that WILL be used to prove that CCP ignored previous events, or that CCP is "soft" on cyber-bullies. Like it or not, there are laws against it in a few states already, you don't see an eventual cause of action against CCP? I bet CCP does. As a paralegal, I bet Alex has already done the math here. Just a matter of timing now. There are no laws that can do anything against CCP. This may come as a shock, but there doesn't have to be a law passed against something to file a lawsuit over something. All you need is a damaged plaintiff, like a victim who attempted suicide for example, and a good argument for comparative negligence. CCP doing nothing about this would help that argument quite a bit. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/
Kjel Keikira Jovian Legacy Jovian Empire 2	Posted - 2012.03.27 05:59:00 - [1158] - Quote An apology was made. A nice gesture made in the form of ISK. This is what anyone would, and should do Sometimes though, an apology does not cut it. Heart felt or not... I guess we will never know.. Mainly due to the rod this guy has made for his own back over the past years acting the way he does and projecting the persona he has. Be it in forums, in game or even on camera. Arrogant, Self indulged, Egotistical, Cruel and Immature. Bearing that in mind, it is purely understandable why people in this forum are dubious as to the sincerity of the "Apology" Plainly put, he has made mistake, Him and no-one else. Such a grave mistake in fact, that the only logical and just response, is to resign from the CSM entirely with immediate effect. By choosing to stay he shows no respect or consideration for CCP themselves or indeed this community. If such a choice were made i could only surmise that it would undoubtedly force CCP's hand in the matter and the termination of his role be enforced. You're a big boy now Mittens, Time to put on those big boy pants and do what a man's gotta do.... Farewell o/
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3536	Posted - 2012.03.27 05:59:00 - [1159] - Quote Acwron wrote: I AM VERY ANGRY ABOUT MY TITAN lol loser "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 1283	Posted - 2012.03.27 05:59:00 - [1160] - Quote Shogun Archer wrote: Shandir wrote: Bane Necran wrote: Shere wrote: This is about people with some goon-grudge trying to find some oil for their torches and a stone to sharpen their pitchforks on Not just goons, but the type of EVE player they represent. Mittani doing this has become a catalyst for a much larger issue about this game. This, so much this. There's a line, and it should not be crossed. And so it goes... Ten people out of 300000 are "offended" for someone they don't even know or have never even met, yet they want to dictate the rules to the rest of the majority of people who either do not care or do not agree. Including the alleged "victim". When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point. Also, I can kill you with my brain.
Headerman Quovis CORE Alliance 753	Posted - 2012.03.27 05:59:00 - [1161] - Quote Shogun Archer wrote: Haulin Aussie wrote: Headerman wrote: When someone gets drunk and does such a stupid thing like Aled did, then he deserves everything he gets. Advocating for people to encourage someone to kill themselves is NOT a light matter. Exactly. Being drunk is not an excuse. I didn't think they let you guys have video games... Enough of us got together and told the government to go and fornicate with ones self. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why?
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3536	Posted - 2012.03.27 05:59:00 - [1162] - Quote Princess Bride wrote: This may come as a shock, but there doesn't have to be a law passed against something to file a lawsuit over something. All you need is a damaged plaintiff, like a victim who attempted suicide for example, and a good argument for comparative negligence. CCP doing nothing about this would help that argument quite a bit. problem is that the "victim" here doesn't give a rat's ass "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 1283	Posted - 2012.03.27 06:01:00 - [1163] - Quote Princess Bride wrote: Jonatan Reed wrote: Princess Bride wrote: The real question is, what action can CCP take to mitigate the damages in the lawsuit? No, probably not by the guy targeted by Alex. But if there ever IS a cyber-bullying lawsuit that drags CCP into court, and CCP didn't take action here, that WILL be used to prove that CCP ignored previous events, or that CCP is "soft" on cyber-bullies. Like it or not, there are laws against it in a few states already, you don't see an eventual cause of action against CCP? I bet CCP does. As a paralegal, I bet Alex has already done the math here. Just a matter of timing now. There are no laws that can do anything against CCP. This may come as a shock, but there doesn't have to be a law passed against something to file a lawsuit over something. All you need is a damaged plaintiff, like a victim who attempted suicide for example, and a good argument for comparative negligence. CCP doing nothing about this would help that argument quite a bit. This may come as a shock, but there was no attempted suicide... and by his own admission no victim. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point. Also, I can kill you with my brain.
de4deye Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition. 44	Posted - 2012.03.27 06:01:00 - [1164] - Quote It is only a matter of time before CCP shows an interest in this topic beyond an "investigation", as it is obvious and in your face. Mittens will surely not escape unscathed from what he has done so easily with his "Drunk, not my fault" excuse, 12 step AA is that-a-way --->
Algia Knightstorm Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans 21	Posted - 2012.03.27 06:02:00 - [1165] - Quote Lolmer wrote: Comtezza wrote: Please tell me others have looked at the voting list and realized that if BOTH Darius and Mittens left . . . who would now be number 14 He'd be better than Darius III, that's for sure, though I still wouldn't want riverini on the CSM. Are you saying you're not a fan of panty dropping?
Xython Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation 433	Posted - 2012.03.27 06:02:00 - [1166] - Quote de4deye wrote: It is only a matter of time before CCP shows an interest in this topic beyond an "investigation", as it is obvious and in your face. Mittens will surely not escape unscathed from what he has done so easily with his "Drunk, not my fault" excuse, 12 step AA is that-a-way ---> What are you doing on the forums? Your Titans won't kill themselves.
Algia Knightstorm Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans 21	Posted - 2012.03.27 06:03:00 - [1167] - Quote Haulin Aussie wrote: Shere wrote: This is about people with some goon-grudge trying to find some oil for their torches and a stone to sharpen their pitchforks on It wouldn't matter whether it was the Mittani or Chribba, when somethings wrong its wrong. Funny how every goonswarm post is in defence of their awesome leader by default, kinda like how he got voted chair in the first place It's funny how he got more votes than he has people in the entirety of the GSF alliance.
Shogun Archer 31	Posted - 2012.03.27 06:03:00 - [1168] - Quote Headerman wrote: Shogun Archer wrote: Haulin Aussie wrote: Headerman wrote: When someone gets drunk and does such a stupid thing like Aled did, then he deserves everything he gets. Advocating for people to encourage someone to kill themselves is NOT a light matter. Exactly. Being drunk is not an excuse. I didn't think they let you guys have video games... Enough of us got together and told the government to go and fornicate with ones self. Well hell yes. good for you guys If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror.
Maharal Klaus Talmudic Academy Games of Divinity 2	Posted - 2012.03.27 06:03:00 - [1169] - Quote CCP should let the miner change his name - as for Mittani - All of EvE will be watching to see what CCP decides.
de4deye Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition. 44	Posted - 2012.03.27 06:04:00 - [1170] - Quote Xython wrote: de4deye wrote: It is only a matter of time before CCP shows an interest in this topic beyond an "investigation", as it is obvious and in your face. Mittens will surely not escape unscathed from what he has done so easily with his "Drunk, not my fault" excuse, 12 step AA is that-a-way ---> What are you doing on the forums? Your Titans won't kill themselves. We are now putting 3 gyros rather than the previous failure of a mere 2 gyros on our buses now, tyvm.

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