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OutCast EG Very Industrial Corp. Legion of xXDEATHXx 2	Posted - 2012.03.29 07:46:00 - [841] - Quote So i see nothing new here, just CCP shooting itself in the leg again.
Kara Balveda EVE University Ivy League 2	Posted - 2012.03.29 07:48:00 - [842] - Quote SuperBeastie wrote: hold a new election or reinstate mittens. ~10058~ people agree with me. More than that. I did not vote for The Mittani, knowing that Goons' votes would be enough to make him chairman, but instead voted my CEO into CSM7. Regardless, my reaction to CCP Navigator's post was a quick succession of denial, anger, bargaining, and depression. Acceptance just won't come. Mittens should not be chairman of CSM7 after this. But he accepted that and acted on it, in a responsible way. In the meantime, CCP showed that they still suck big time. What a pity. Crucible was a step in the right direction, Inferno was looking promising. Hell, I even wanted to do a Po2 and get me a second account on Saturday. But now, CCP is clearly back in Incarna mode, making very bad decisions under self-inflicted time pressure, not caring for the players' opinions, resulting in rage quits again. I hate it when it comes to forum whining like this post and rage quits like all the others I just read. I expect that the people the players voted for are the people ending up as CSM, and that CCP does nt disenfranchise the 10.058 voters of a guy who got more voters than the next two people together.
1Of9 Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion 31	Posted - 2012.03.29 07:53:00 - [843] - Quote Thank you ccp. You did the right thing, altho the CSM rules state that he cannot run for CSM again. Plz explain why you are allowing him to run again in the future.
Alphea Abbra Project Promethion 18	Posted - 2012.03.29 07:54:00 - [844] - Quote Kara Balveda wrote: I expect that the people the players voted for are the people ending up as CSM, and that CCP does nt disenfranchise the 10.058 voters of a guy who got more voters than the next two people together. I would expect that as well, so I wouldn't be too nice to my representative if he ruined my chance of being represented. The Mittani got himself into this mess. He disenfranchised the 10.058 voters, if they really are disenfranchised (The CSM7 posts in this thread hints in another direction). He got elected with a clear mandate - who wouldn't call roughly 17% of the votes a mandate in cases like this? - and he screwed it up. He did apparently not think enough of that mandate to behave properly. He did not think enough of those 10.058 who voted for him to represent them. And yet you're angry at CCP?
Diamonica Norya University of Caille Gallente Federation 14	Posted - 2012.03.29 07:55:00 - [845] - Quote stop being naive and keep ranting about the 10k votes the elected abused it he took it too far he can't take alcohol he breaks your trust he crossed the line between a video game and real life he was naive enough to think a forum apology will play well he's naive enough to think that 10 billion virtual currency will buy his way out he f'ed up CCP's PR image he f'ed up other players' effort trying to bring Eve to more wider audience he f'ed up your vote he is filled with anger, fear, hate in his new speech that he actually didn't see all this coming he has't learnt a thing he's just another politician he need to get himself and pets to actually really distinguish what RL and game life are and don't get too attached to a video game like they've shown to everyone else. 30 days ban is too generous
Zloco Crendraven BALKAN EXPRESS 7	Posted - 2012.03.29 08:02:00 - [846] - Quote I see lots of ppl stopping. Can i haz your stuff pls? This game will anyway be better without you, so pls dont look back. About Mittani, well he did behave very very badly and bad behavior deserves a punishment. Only fault for those 10k votes gone bad is your chairmans fault and its really ******** to put it on CCP.
Florestan Bronstein United Highsec Front The 99 Percent 490	Posted - 2012.03.29 08:04:00 - [847] - Quote Hecatonis wrote: Phigmeta wrote: So after reading very carefully through the entire EULA and TOS something occured to me. His actions we outside of the game and since the statements we not on the forums....... .......... the EULA / TOS does not apply. This literally means that CCP .... your an idoit thats like saying RMT is outside game because you dont use the eve client to send the money. the told people to use CCP tools to find, player search, and harass, eve mail, another player. CCP is well within their rights to temp ban him CCP reserves the right to perma-ban you for no special reason at all, so they are always "within their rights". But that's not the question...
Josef Djugashvilis The Scope Gallente Federation 61	Posted - 2012.03.29 08:11:00 - [848] - Quote Sould be interesting to see how many, indeed if any Goons rage quit. This is not to have a go at the goonies - it would make more sense to stay in the game to exact revenge. Mittens admitted that he did wrong, so CCP had to act. He could have been perma banned, so really he got off 'relatively' lightly
Zowie Powers Hole in the wall 58	Posted - 2012.03.29 08:16:00 - [849] - Quote Two step wrote: I disagree with this decision, and am working hard with CCP to make sure the 10,058 voters that voted for Alex have their voice heard. More to come, just wanted to make sure I had a spot on the first page I hope you are never forced to learn why you are wrong.
Chokichi Ozuwara Lucky Dragon Convenience 49	Posted - 2012.03.29 08:16:00 - [850] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Sould be interesting to see how many, indeed if any Goons rage quit. This is not to have a go at the goonies - it would make more sense to stay in the game to exact revenge. Revenge on who? The game is moving past the Goons, CCP fired the first serious shot at them today by banning Mittens. The days of badass internet tough guys running Eve are going to come to an end. Sony is going to bring thousands of new players into the game as CCP goes mainstream. Those players aren't going to be interested in meta gaming, Reddit, 4Chan or Something Awful. Start a corp and do it yourself. You'll fail, but you'll enjoy failing. Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.

Zowie Powers Hole in the wall 58	Posted - 2012.03.29 08:18:00 - [851] - Quote The unhappy voters can just swallow it. They're not the first people in history to be duped by lacklustre fanatical leaders and they won't be the last. You made a bad bet based on bad interpretation of available information sucks to be you etc.
Beidorion eldwardan Corporation Danmark Tactical Narcotics Team 0	Posted - 2012.03.29 08:25:00 - [852] - Quote please dont ban me for the following post. it is only ment as food for thought and not a rage post why are we only talking about what mittani is to have done wrong. but isnt it also a violation against the eula/tos to treaten with killing yourselves unless another stops some ingame action. ? im just saying that its not fair that we ONLY see this from one side. it al started with a person( who if serious needs immeadiate proffession help and attension) claiming to end his own life unless people stop shooting his icemining boats. the comments the mittens made where bad but how come we have degenerated into saying that the other dude okay... stop blaming mittens for a drunken slipup you holi-holly's and ban the suicide pilot as well, at least for the amount of time the ccp paid doctor needs to fix the guy... ccp - that iceminer is adicted to your product !!! how about repairing that damage instead of creating a huge problem over a slipup and to ccp - you have a game that is somewhat good, stop mixing reallife into it
Karim alRashid Aliastra Gallente Federation 148	Posted - 2012.03.29 08:26:00 - [853] - Quote CCP, HTFU IRL.
Josef Djugashvilis The Scope Gallente Federation 63	Posted - 2012.03.29 08:26:00 - [854] - Quote Chokichi Ozuwara wrote: Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Sould be interesting to see how many, indeed if any Goons rage quit. This is not to have a go at the goonies - it would make more sense to stay in the game to exact revenge. Revenge on who? The game is moving past the Goons, CCP fired the first serious shot at them today by banning Mittens. The days of badass internet tough guys running Eve are going to come to an end. Sony is going to bring thousands of new players into the game as CCP goes mainstream. Those players aren't going to be interested in meta gaming, Reddit, 4Chan or Something Awful. I am no fan of the Goons and their childish name calling - aspies - sperg etc, in fact I think CCP should ban the use of these insults. But, so long as they do not violate the eula etc thay are a part of the game. The Goons have lost so much credibilty over this, that they may never recover. They should look closer to home for the cause of their rage and ask themselves of mittens is a fit and proper person to lead them.
Edward Olmops Sirius Fleet Bringers of Death. 7	Posted - 2012.03.29 08:29:00 - [855] - Quote Reading the EULA/TOS closely again, I found this: Quote: You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language. (Alternate spelling or partial masking of such words will be reprimanded in the same manner as the actual use of such words.) I also watched this panel video where this Goonswarm guy made fun of former victims by reciting some hate/tearmails. What does this chain of events now mean for ME? There is thousands of players all over new Eden, boasting and bragging, all those Websites about killmails. CCP emphasizing over and over again that the EVE universe is a harsh place and so on.. And then someone gets banned for not being nice to another player. Where EXACTLY is the red line he crossed? Mocking another player? Publishing this mail? Doing it on the fanfest? Not verifying that a specific player who was griefed does not have suicidical tendencies as some have indicated? I perfectly understand that CCP might have a serious problem, a legal problem, if they do not condemn this behaviour. But after all, the game itself does encourage conflicts and villains. Of course, I would never take this to a player-to-player level, but I strongly doubt that this counts for all 350k people in the game After being provoked, it now and then might happen that some furious player sends mails ingame that contain strong language And it will be impossible to decide what is meant or understood as a threat or insult to a character as opposed to a threat or insult to a player. And then? Name him a fool. Petition. Ban? Sound metagaming. I mean, seriously... What exactly do you want the players to do? I can only suggest to have a much more strict code of conduct for CSM members, but that won't solve everything. Quote: You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP The Mittani himself presented another mail in the same video where someone threatened to get him and send mercenaries after him if he does not turn over a supercap. What makes that a legal threat and the grief-the-miner-thing not?
1Of9 Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion 32	Posted - 2012.03.29 08:30:00 - [856] - Quote 1Of9 wrote: Thank you ccp. You did the right thing, altho the CSM rules state that he cannot run for CSM again. Plz explain why you are allowing him to run again in the future. to pinpoint my claim: http://community.eveonline.com/download/devblog/CSM.pdf on page 20 it says, and i quote: Quote: CSM representative conduct any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the eula or tos by a Csm representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. there are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow. In light of this, ccp please explain why he will be able to run for CSM in the future.
Orion GUardian 133	Posted - 2012.03.29 08:33:00 - [857] - Quote Great democracy guys...about nearly a quarter of all votes dismissed... Whatever CCP, CSM is a scam now..... Well thats what Eve is known for after all, scamming allowed!
Inovy Dacella Proper Villains 16	Posted - 2012.03.29 08:34:00 - [858] - Quote The Mittani did this to himself and he is now dealing with it. The so called 1058 need to understand that votes do not make you unaccountable. Learn from your leaders mistake. Don't warship him.
Karim alRashid Aliastra Gallente Federation 148	Posted - 2012.03.29 08:34:00 - [859] - Quote 1Of9 wrote: In light of this, ccp please explain why he will be able to run for CSM in the future. Because, you less-than-average-intelligent mammal, it has nothing to do with EULA/TOS, but is an equivalent to an out-of-court settlement.
Sam McCausland Pax Mortis Inc. 6	Posted - 2012.03.29 08:36:00 - [860] - Quote Funny how all the internet toughguys of goonswarm & pets, who do like to revel in their oh so mighty badassery by telling everyone else to "HTFU" and ~deal with it~ are crying worse than the hisec bears they so despise. How about you maintain your absurd toughguy image, take your own advice and just ~deal with it~Gäó? You neckbeards are breaking character here and it's quite hilarious Go ahead and unsuscribe, apart from the fact that (a) you won't go through with it and (b) CCP won't care, the rest of EVE surely will not miss you. HTFU

Tvaishk Suzuki Long Night Industries Black Thorne Alliance 0	Posted - 2012.03.29 08:43:00 - [861] - Quote Thank you CCP for your quick action personaly I fully suport this action. and hope we can move on to premote eve in a more mature way. As for all of you waveing your number of votes around and bashing ccp for this please.... While I agree we could now do with a reopening of elections, all the crys of "WHAT ABOUT MY VOTE" are pathetic. Infact going on about this is just makeing things worse, I've looked though just about every news site that has mentioned this incedent and the comments are almost all negative in terms of the eve comumity as a whole, because of your insesant wineing and being dicks about this. He was in the wrong and got the punishment he was due, if you can't deal with it get out the fire. This is eve HTFU!
Temulkar Blaine Liberation Army BricK sQuAD. 52	Posted - 2012.03.29 08:51:00 - [862] - Quote Some of you really need to wake up and smell the roses. When Alexander stepped out of the game and made a statement that potentially could have had serious indeed fatal consequenses he did more than simply make a tasteless joke. Freedom of speech is not an absolute right nor is it wiothout consequenses. The first ammendment does not apply in Europe and Iceland. EU/Icelandic law is very very very clear, You have the right to express your opinions, culture, faith you do not have the right to harrass, discriminate against or offend. What Alexander did in Iceland was not merely in bad taste, it was not merely the product of a petty mind without the intellegence to understand the implications of what he was saying. What he did was more than a slight faux pas. He chose to make statements that could potentially endanger someones life. He encouraged others in a course of action that could have endangered sombodys life. He has to understand his responsibility in this. What he did may be viewed in america as tasteless and unintellegent, under EU/Icelandic law it is potentially illegal. Let me paint a scenario for you, had sombody taken that joke and decided to do somthing about it and the worst had happened and the guy was from a EU country then Alexander would have faced a civil and criminal court case. There are multiple cases including high profile ones in the last week where people have been charged tried sentenced and jailed for drunken crass behaviour on the internet. YOu can express yourself in game to a toon and as a toon how you wish, when you take that behaviour into the real world there are consequenses. So US players who think its an apalling limit on peoples civil liberties and us Europeans are crazy well, we dont have guns allowed in our society for people to carry around, hows that working out for you?
Tessle Aesis DECIMA LEGIO Yulai Federation 1	Posted - 2012.03.29 08:56:00 - [863] - Quote EULA/TOS are for CSM too, not only for us all, if a CSM did a violation it's right to take any possible actions to punish him as well.
Captain Warp GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 0	Posted - 2012.03.29 08:59:00 - [864] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Chokichi Ozuwara wrote: Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Sould be interesting to see how many, indeed if any Goons rage quit. This is not to have a go at the goonies - it would make more sense to stay in the game to exact revenge. Revenge on who? The game is moving past the Goons, CCP fired the first serious shot at them today by banning Mittens. The days of badass internet tough guys running Eve are going to come to an end. Sony is going to bring thousands of new players into the game as CCP goes mainstream. Those players aren't going to be interested in meta gaming, Reddit, 4Chan or Something Awful. I am no fan of the Goons and their childish name calling - aspies - sperg etc, in fact I think CCP should ban the use of these insults. But, so long as they do not violate the eula etc thay are a part of the game. The Goons have lost so much credibilty over this, that they may never recover. Our credibility backbone...
Josef Djugashvilis The Scope Gallente Federation 63	Posted - 2012.03.29 09:01:00 - [865] - Quote Captain Warp wrote: Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Chokichi Ozuwara wrote: Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Sould be interesting to see how many, indeed if any Goons rage quit. This is not to have a go at the goonies - it would make more sense to stay in the game to exact revenge. Revenge on who? The game is moving past the Goons, CCP fired the first serious shot at them today by banning Mittens. The days of badass internet tough guys running Eve are going to come to an end. Sony is going to bring thousands of new players into the game as CCP goes mainstream. Those players aren't going to be interested in meta gaming, Reddit, 4Chan or Something Awful. I am no fan of the Goons and their childish name calling - aspies - sperg etc, in fact I think CCP should ban the use of these insults. But, so long as they do not violate the eula etc thay are a part of the game. The Goons have lost so much credibilty over this, that they may never recover. Our credibility backbone... Precisely
Chicken Pizza Penumbra Institute 28	Posted - 2012.03.29 09:07:00 - [866] - Quote You morons say "10,058" like it's a large number. Do you even realize how many of those votes were probably alts? Do you know how many votes Obama alone received in the US 2008 presidential election? 69,456,897 votes. 52.92% of all of the voters in the third most populated country in the world. Kinda puts things into perspective, huh? If Obama went live and told everyone in the US to feel free to call/mail/message a specific person and tell them to kill themselves, do you really think he would still be in office for much longer? Most of you won't un-sub. Of the ones who do, I'm sure many, if not most, will inevitably re-sub. If you don't, good riddance. Why don't you try looking at it conversely? Out of 59,109 votes cast, Mittani only received 10,058. That means 49,051 votes were NOT for Mittani. 83% of the votes/voters did NOT want Mittani for CSM. So while you're all bitching about how all 10,058 of you wanted Mittani to be CSM, consider the fact that the other 49,051 of us don't give a **** about what you think. Math rules.
John Maynard Keynes Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 35	Posted - 2012.03.29 09:09:00 - [867] - Quote Why is Mittens not posting in this thread? oh wait.....
Akrasjel Lanate Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 674	Posted - 2012.03.29 09:13:00 - [868] - Quote Mashie Saldana wrote: The funny thing is, CCP didnt force Mittens to resign and invalidate the votes. He did that himself. Well said, sir.
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 1325	Posted - 2012.03.29 09:16:00 - [869] - Quote 1Of9 wrote: 1Of9 wrote: Thank you ccp. You did the right thing, altho the CSM rules state that he cannot run for CSM again. Plz explain why you are allowing him to run again in the future. to pinpoint my claim: http://community.eveonline.com/download/devblog/CSM.pdf on page 20 it says, and i quote: Quote: CSM representative conduct any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the eula or tos by a Csm representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. there are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow. In light of this, ccp please explain why he will be able to run for CSM in the future. This right here. If he is allowed to campaign again for CSM, this whole shitstorm will be reactivated with a vengeance. There will be plenty of players making sure that happens. The press will be notified, players will rebel and basically CCP will have another load of bad PR heaped upon them again. CCP needs to stand by their own rules no matter how many players threaten to rage quit. If they do quit, good riddance.
Thebriwan LUX Uls Xystus 24	Posted - 2012.03.29 09:17:00 - [870] - Quote Well handled CCP! There is no excuse for doing a drunken stunt at an official life streamed panel. I regret that we lost a good speaker of the CSM - but personal attacks at a player can't be justified in any way.



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