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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
585
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:57:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Yeah, about that.. I don't think that's how a democracy works when an elected "official" is impeached, which is pretty much what happened here. I think CCP provided for alternates for this specific situation. It depends on the nature of the democracy and how it is handled. Refer to the previous discussion on a By-Election or read here.
Well, that type of situation would be conditional on there being no alternates, CCP provided for this situation by assigning alternate CSM candidates for *exactly* this situation.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
110
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:58:00 -
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Doddy wrote:The whole alternates thing is stupid from the start, though ccp are pretty unlucky that this perfect storm (candidate gets enormous vote then is removed immediately with the alternate system leaving his voters disenfranchised) has happened to expose its flaws.
That's actually a good thing. Now that the problem is known, it can be fixed.
The CSM needs to be further codified in the event of future incidents like this. If you have a set plan in place beforehand, when the unthinkable happens you don't have a ton of people running around screaming and helpless...you have instructions to follow. You learn that in the military pretty quickly. |
Mashie Saldana
Veto.
Veto Corp
434
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:59:00 -
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The funny thing is, CCP didnt force Mittens to resign and invalidate the votes.
He did that himself.
Dominique Vasilkovsky
Mashie Saldana
Monica Foulkes |
Liam Mirren
385
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:00:00 -
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Doddy wrote:The whole alternates thing is stupid from the start, though ccp are pretty unlucky that this perfect storm (candidate gets enormous vote then is removed immediately with the alternate system leaving his voters disenfranchised) has happened to expose its flaws.
There are no flaws, one of the CSM members messed up (this has happened before) and got removed because of it (this has happened before), thus an alternate steps in. The system works perfectly fine. CCP is not responsible for the actions of said CSM member, if the public isn't happy with losing representation then they should probably aim that at the booted CSM member. Or just cry tears of rage on the forums, that also works and by "works" I mean "is hilarious".
Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
Doddy
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
53
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:01:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Yeah, about that.. I don't think that's how a democracy works when an elected "official" is impeached, which is pretty much what happened here. I think CCP provided for alternates for this specific situation. It depends on the nature of the democracy and how it is handled. Refer to the previous discussion on a By-Election or read here. Well, that type of situation would be conditional on there being no alternates, CCP provided for this situation by assigning alternate CSM candidates for *exactly* this situation.
So the current first alternate (i don't even know who it is btw) will represent the people who voted for Mittani?
Of course the CFC only have themselves to blame for putting all their votes behind MIttani instead of maximising CSM numbers like in previous years. Oops.
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Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:02:00 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote:The funny thing is, CCP didnt force Mittens to resign and invalidate the votes.
He did that himself.
Hey you can keep posting this and liking your own post but it's still not true. |
Mashie Saldana
Veto.
Veto Corp
434
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:03:00 -
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Doctor Benway Kado wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:The funny thing is, CCP didnt force Mittens to resign and invalidate the votes.
He did that himself. Hey you can keep posting this and liking your own post but it's still not true.
What part of resign don't you grasp?
Dominique Vasilkovsky
Mashie Saldana
Monica Foulkes |
Heimdallofasgard
Apex Clan
138
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:04:00 -
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Adrenalinemax wrote:re run
there is no other choice
The voice of the people spoke
not empty quoting |
Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:05:00 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote:Doctor Benway Kado wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:The funny thing is, CCP didnt force Mittens to resign and invalidate the votes.
He did that himself. Hey you can keep posting this and liking your own post but it's still not true. What part of resign don't you grasp?
What part of "from the chairmanship" don't you grasp?
Oh, I know, the part that doesn't support your bullshit version of history. Right. |
Midge Mo'yb
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
127
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:06:00 -
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I WANT MY VOTES BACK |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1065
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:06:00 -
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Kyle Myr wrote:If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.
Rerun the election, or the results are worthless.
As I said in the other goon tears thread in JP:
You had your vote. You voted fail. Now HTFU and stop crying.
Mr Epeen 
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
585
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:08:00 -
[72] - Quote
Doddy wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Yeah, about that.. I don't think that's how a democracy works when an elected "official" is impeached, which is pretty much what happened here. I think CCP provided for alternates for this specific situation. It depends on the nature of the democracy and how it is handled. Refer to the previous discussion on a By-Election or read here. Well, that type of situation would be conditional on there being no alternates, CCP provided for this situation by assigning alternate CSM candidates for *exactly* this situation. So the current first alternate (i don't even know who it is btw) will represent the people who voted for Mittani? Of course the CFC only have themselves to blame for putting all their votes behind MIttani instead of maximising CSM numbers like in previous years. Oops.
I would imagine that the delegate with the next highest number of votes would become chairman, or the CSM would vote on who becomes chairman from within their ranks.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Doddy
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
53
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:08:00 -
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Liam Mirren wrote:Doddy wrote:The whole alternates thing is stupid from the start, though ccp are pretty unlucky that this perfect storm (candidate gets enormous vote then is removed immediately with the alternate system leaving his voters disenfranchised) has happened to expose its flaws. There are no flaws, one of the CSM members messed up (this has happened before) and got removed because of it (this has happened before), thus an alternate steps in. The system works perfectly fine. CCP is not responsible for the actions of said CSM member, if the public isn't happy with losing representation then they should probably aim that at the booted CSM member. Or just cry tears of rage on the forums, that also works and by "works" I mean "is hilarious".
Its still a flaw even if its funny. The fact the CSM wasn't even in place yet makes it even more ridiculous. |
PsychoBitch
Playboy Enterprises
Dark Taboo
260
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:09:00 -
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The behavior exhibited is not becoming of an eve player, let alone someone he supposedly represents.
CCP should have him unceremoniously removed immediately, and banned.
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Doddy
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
53
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:09:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Doddy wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Yeah, about that.. I don't think that's how a democracy works when an elected "official" is impeached, which is pretty much what happened here. I think CCP provided for alternates for this specific situation. It depends on the nature of the democracy and how it is handled. Refer to the previous discussion on a By-Election or read here. Well, that type of situation would be conditional on there being no alternates, CCP provided for this situation by assigning alternate CSM candidates for *exactly* this situation. So the current first alternate (i don't even know who it is btw) will represent the people who voted for Mittani? Of course the CFC only have themselves to blame for putting all their votes behind MIttani instead of maximising CSM numbers like in previous years. Oops. I would imagine that the delegate with the next highest number of votes would become chairman, or the CSM would vote on who becomes chairman.
The csm votes to select a replacement, i am not talking about who is chairman though, that is really just an ego piece.
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MissCake
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:10:00 -
[76] - Quote
Revote imo |
Ai Shun
461
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:10:00 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote:Doctor Benway Kado wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:The funny thing is, CCP didnt force Mittens to resign and invalidate the votes.
He did that himself. Hey you can keep posting this and liking your own post but it's still not true. What part of resign don't you grasp?
Oh dear, dear, dear.
Resigned as chairman.
CCP removed him from the CSM. |
Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:11:00 -
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PsychoBitch wrote:The behavior exhibited is not becoming of an eve player, let alone someone he supposedly represents.
CCP should have him unceremoniously removed immediately, and banned.
But spamming is, apparently. |
Kesper North
Gentlemen of Means
Gentlemen's Agreement
38
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:11:00 -
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Kyle Myr wrote:If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.
Rerun the election, or the results are worthless.
QFT - this action totally invalidates the rest of the voting. |
Ai Shun
461
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:12:00 -
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PsychoBitch wrote:The behavior exhibited is not becoming of an eve player, let alone someone he supposedly represents.
CCP should have him unceremoniously removed immediately, and banned.
You ran for the CSM and can't even keep up with the game? |
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XavierVE
Concordiat
Spaceship Samurai
128
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:14:00 -
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Kesper North wrote:QFT - this action totally invalidates the rest of the voting.
Don't vote for an abusive alcoholic next time, and maybe your vote won't be wasted. Literally.
I wonder if Republicans cried this much when Nixon was forced from office. Then again, at least Nixon was funny once in a while, not even ol' Mittani could manage that. |
Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
149
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:16:00 -
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If u split his vote on to 2 players they would still beat every current csm member. we need a revote. |
Degren
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
95
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:18:00 -
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The bread my wife made earlier was really, really good.
Also, I got a new grill today. Time to cook up some chicken! Mmm |
Minabunny
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:19:00 -
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Would you like a tissue? |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Retribution
Amarr 7th Fleet
49
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:20:00 -
[85] - Quote
its probably an omen. put 0.0 on the backburner for a while and focus on other aspects of game. like FW
HANS FOR CSM! |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy
Caldari State
124
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:24:00 -
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CSM is invalid, we demand revote. |
Revii Lagoon
The Foreign Legion
Test Alliance Please Ignore
49
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:33:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote:CSM is invalid, we demand revote.
We do not want a revote we want the person we rightfully elected to CSM to actually be on the CSM. |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
85
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:38:00 -
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Voting now would mean the lowest turn-out ever. Unless The Mittani could run, in which case he likely would get even more votes then before.
I think the majority of EVE is not pleased how a few very vocal scrubs have thrown The Mittani in front of a bus, not caring about the damage it would do to the game. And they are aided by the imbeciles at CCP that don't understand their own game and only care about licking the boots of Sony and the game media.
The best move would have been CCP apologizing for the live feed. Mittens stepping down as chairman but retaining a seat on the CSM with an public and personal apology. And perhaps a 30 day ban (though that sets a very slippery precedent about an in-game eula being applied to out-game matters).
Sadly, the 'deciders' are generally stupid people.
http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif
How about fixing image-linking on the forums, CCP? I want to see signatures! |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
479
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:42:00 -
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Didn't vote Mittani, yet still disagree with the fact that 1/6th of the biggest turnout in CSM election history just got made null and void before the Council even starts term.
Recall election please. Same candidates as already out there (minus Mittani) and rerun the vote.
Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
153
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:49:00 -
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There should be no rerun the votes have been counted and the election completed.
Two Step should become chair.
If CCP wishes another CSM then a seperate vote to elect 1 new CSM should take place. But that's up to CCP. |
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