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Manji Lee
Missions Mining and Mayhem Northern Coalition.
48
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:58:00 -
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If there's a re-vote. Then I call for bullshit. He was never a good man to begin with. Manipulative, crude, and arrogant type of son of the ***** he was. And yet you people voted for him!? Not to mention all this yelling about how CCP sack him from CSM when in reality he resigned from it.
Peeps need to take a chill pill and accept the fact before jumping to conclusion. |

Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
130
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:10:00 -
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People who are all Goon-hate will be allowed to revote as well. The point is EVERYONE'S VOICE MATTERS. Not just Goons, and not just Anti-Goons.
When we get the revote that is needed to keep the CSM a relevant entity, you can vote for whomever you want. |

Manji Lee
Missions Mining and Mayhem Northern Coalition.
48
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:11:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote:People who are all Goon-hate will be allowed to revote as well. The point is EVERYONE'S VOICE MATTERS. Not just Goons, and not just Anti-Goons.
When we get the revote that is needed to keep the CSM a relevant entity, you can vote for whomever you want.
I think your missing the point... |

THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
118
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:27:00 -
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GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:THE L0CK wrote:GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:THE L0CK wrote:Darius for CSM7 f**k off U mad bro? no im not... i just know he's a f**kin waste of space
yeahumad Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |

Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
225
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:01:00 -
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CCP will do what they do. The members that won, won. I've got nothing against the candidates you voted for (I'm presuming Elise and Darius III given the alliance tickers). I'm simply pointing out that removing the candidate that won more votes than any 3 other candidates combined (or even the 7 lowest standing members) calls into question the CSM representing players.
Obviously, as players, we have no power to dictate their policy. How they handle this will just say how they consider the CSM as an organization representing their voting players. |

Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
223
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:01:00 -
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The Mittani for CSM 7. . |

Panda Name
Republic University Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:22:00 -
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Manji Lee wrote:If there's a re-vote. Then I call for bullshit. He was never a good man to begin with. Manipulative, crude, and arrogant type of son of the ***** he was. And yet you people voted for him!? Not to mention all this yelling about how CCP sack him from CSM when in reality he resigned from it.
Peeps need to take a chill pill and accept the fact before jumping to conclusion.
ncDOT |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
507
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:24:00 -
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Kyle Myr wrote:If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.
Rerun the election, or the results are worthless.
Some one you like made you waste your vote so now you want to disfranchise the other winners. Next time vote for someone that wont waste your vote.
Stay classy goons. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish into thin air. |

Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
138
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:25:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:Didn't vote Mittani, yet still disagree with the fact that 1/6th of the biggest turnout in CSM election history just got made null and void before the Council even starts term.
Recall election please. Same candidates as already out there (minus Mittani) and rerun the vote. This please. CCP either takes the CSM seriously or it's just a politically correct entity that means nothing to them. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
511
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:25:00 -
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Kyle Myr wrote:CCP will do what they do. The members that won, won. I've got nothing against the candidates you voted for (I'm presuming Elise and Darius III given the alliance tickers). I'm simply pointing out that removing the candidate that won more votes than any 3 other candidates combined (or even the 7 lowest standing members) calls into question the CSM representing players.
Obviously, as players, we have no power to dictate their policy. How they handle this will just say how they consider the CSM as an organization representing their voting players.
Dont vote for a racist that called for other players to kill someone next time. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish into thin air. |
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Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
94
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:25:00 -
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a year of trolling a csm lacking any democratic mandate
oh boy |

Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
139
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:29:00 -
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Daviclond wrote:a year of trolling a csm lacking any democratic mandate
oh boy Pretty much this. LET THE TEN THOUSAND HAVE THEIR SAY. |

Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:31:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote: ...LET THE TEN THOUSAND HAVE THEIR SAY.
Oh, go make a TV show for Christ's sake. |

Manji Lee
Missions Mining and Mayhem Northern Coalition.
48
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:18:00 -
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Panda Name wrote:Manji Lee wrote:If there's a re-vote. Then I call for bullshit. He was never a good man to begin with. Manipulative, crude, and arrogant type of son of the ***** he was. And yet you people voted for him!? Not to mention all this yelling about how CCP sack him from CSM when in reality he resigned from it.
Peeps need to take a chill pill and accept the fact before jumping to conclusion.  ncDOT 
I don't hide behind alts. |

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
91
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:23:00 -
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Manji Lee wrote:Panda Name wrote:Manji Lee wrote:If there's a re-vote. Then I call for bullshit. He was never a good man to begin with. Manipulative, crude, and arrogant type of son of the ***** he was. And yet you people voted for him!? Not to mention all this yelling about how CCP sack him from CSM when in reality he resigned from it.
Peeps need to take a chill pill and accept the fact before jumping to conclusion.  ncDOT  I don't hide behind alts.
No one is saying anything about alts, but as someone from an alliance with something to gain out of all this, your people's opinions should be taken with a boulder of salt. |

Macon Chalaise
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:24:00 -
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Kyle Myr wrote:If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.
Rerun the election, or the results are worthless.
Nixon was the peoples choice here in the US.
He resigned. No one was disenfranchised. There was no "re-vote."
True story. Here's to fire. Not the fast and furious kind that burns down shacks and shanties, but the slow, seductive kind that takes down pants and panties - Irish Toast |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
520
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:26:00 -
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Macon Chalaise wrote:Kyle Myr wrote:If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.
Rerun the election, or the results are worthless. Nixon was the peoples choice here in the US. He resigned. No one was disenfranchised. There was no "re-vote." True story. 
They don't actually care about the truth.
They just want to push their tyranny.
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish into thin air. |

Walter Wite
Spectre Arms
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:29:00 -
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I don't think we need a rerun
Just mittens is kicked and the every slides up a place, 1st reserve gets a full seat.
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Macon Chalaise
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:30:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Macon Chalaise wrote:Kyle Myr wrote:If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.
Rerun the election, or the results are worthless. Nixon was the peoples choice here in the US. He resigned. No one was disenfranchised. There was no "re-vote." True story.  They don't actually care about the truth. They just want to push their tyranny.
The only person the goons have any reason to be mad at is the chairman formerly known as...not CCP or anyone else.
What happened was his fault and his responsibility.  Here's to fire. Not the fast and furious kind that burns down shacks and shanties, but the slow, seductive kind that takes down pants and panties - Irish Toast |

Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
144
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:31:00 -
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Walter Wite wrote:I don't think we need a rerun
Just mittens is kicked and the every slides up a place, 1st reserve gets a full seat.
And 10000 people who voted are suddenly declared as not important. Sounds totally legit. CSM is officially just a free ticket to iceland. |
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Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
120
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:36:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote: Pretty much this. LET THE TEN THOUSAND HAVE THEIR SAY.
They had their say.
Their say was expelled.
Why do they deserve to speak twice? |

Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
144
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:44:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote: Pretty much this. LET THE TEN THOUSAND HAVE THEIR SAY.
They had their say. Their say was expelled. Why do they deserve to speak twice? Because their first say was just dismissed by CCP as irrelevant. Thus, the CSM is now irrelevant in the minds of the 10000 who had their opinions **** on. |

Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
227
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:29:00 -
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Mittani resigning from the chair is his own business. CCP chose to remove him from the seat that 10,058 players elected him to, for events which occurred during his CSM 6 tenure, before the CSM 7 results were announced, without offering anything to the constituency, Goonfleet and otherwise, which voted for him. Banning him for 30 days for this also goes above the actions taken against other EULA violations at fanjets, and it speaks of undemocratic reactions to media and marketing pressure. Obviously, if CCP doesn't want to do anything about this, they don't have to. But, by not doing anything, it casts the whole of CSM 7 under an air of questionable legitimacy, as anyone elected to it has far less votes than the leader removed from it.
This isn't to say that the remaining CSM 7 candidates haven't won their seats fair and square. To the posters in this thread suggesting that I think ill of Hans Jaegerblitzen or Elise Randolph (maybe Seleene?), I actually quite like these candidates, and commend them on their results in the polls. Furthermore, with the notable exception of Issler, those members of CSM 7 that have spoken about this decision have called out CCP's actions. Given their interest in serving the player base as representatives, I see no reason for them not to rally behind this stance - they would all easily win again in roughly the same order.
This has little to nothing to do with my personal views, which are irrelevant here. I actually found Mittani's presentation to be in poor taste, and I'm glad he gave his apology. More importantly, I'm glad logs have shown that The Wis is doing quite well these days. I actually like pretty much all of the members of CSM 7, and even those I don't necessarily like, I congratulate on winning their position, fair and square.
At any rate, obviously I can do nothing more than present CCP with this basic idea of how to keep a mandate with CSM 7. If they want to ignore this, that's their business. Posting here either way does little. |

Testerxnot Sheepherder
DeadHeads - Question Authority Crew
3
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:34:00 -
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Goon tears are slightly more sweet and sugary (i.e. more delicious) than "pubbie" tears. |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
127
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:36:00 -
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Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:Goon tears are slightly more sweet and sugary (i.e. more delicious) than "pubbie" tears. It's the consistency I like... The way it melts into the mouth... |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
585
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:37:00 -
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why?
because a lot of dudes voted for a guy who decided to decline the CSM chairman position?
should've voted better |

Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
228
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:02:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:why?
because a lot of dudes voted for a guy who decided to decline the CSM chairman position?
should've voted better
So you can't read, didn't read, or don't care what I typed. Fine. At least you're posting on your main.
This has nothing to do with the chair. Stepping down from the chair doesn't disenfranchise voters. Removing the seat disenfranchises voters.
Granted, I imagine you're posting because you're presuming this is some sort of internet anger from me, implying some sort of victory from what you presume to be your own faction. That, honestly, is why I post. Because if that's what you think, it makes my own terrible posting look that much better by comparison. |

Dead Loss
Sweet Capsuleer Tears
2
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:03:00 -
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So many goon tears in here, I just had the most awesome breakfast. |

Flette
Rosen Association
11
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:07:00 -
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Kyle Myr wrote:If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.
Rerun the election, or the results are worthless.
No. This is what alternates are for. The votes were counted. The members elected. The criminals were thrown out. They don't run elections a second time when the politician turns out to be a criminal.
Deal with it. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
538
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:08:00 -
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Kyle Myr wrote:Mittani resigning from the chair is his own business. CCP chose to remove him from the seat that 10,058 players elected him to, for events which occurred during his CSM 6 tenure, before the CSM 7 results were announced, without offering anything to the constituency, Goonfleet and otherwise, which voted for him. Banning him for 30 days for this also goes above the actions taken against other EULA violations at fanjets, and it speaks of undemocratic reactions to media and marketing pressure. Obviously, if CCP doesn't want to do anything about this, they don't have to. But, by not doing anything, it casts the whole of CSM 7 under an air of questionable legitimacy, as anyone elected to it has far less votes than the leader removed from it.
This isn't to say that the remaining CSM 7 candidates haven't won their seats fair and square. To the posters in this thread suggesting that I think ill of Hans Jaegerblitzen or Elise Randolph (maybe Seleene?), I actually quite like these candidates, and commend them on their results in the polls. Furthermore, with the notable exception of Issler, those members of CSM 7 that have spoken about this decision have called out CCP's actions. Given their interest in serving the player base as representatives, I see no reason for them not to rally behind this stance - they would all easily win again in roughly the same order.
This has little to nothing to do with my personal views, which are irrelevant here. I actually found Mittani's presentation to be in poor taste, and I'm glad he gave his apology. More importantly, I'm glad logs have shown that The Wis is doing quite well these days. I actually like pretty much all of the members of CSM 7, and even those I don't necessarily like, I congratulate on winning their position, fair and square.
At any rate, obviously I can do nothing more than present CCP with this basic idea of how to keep a mandate with CSM 7. If they want to ignore this, that's their business. Posting here either way does little.
Trying to hard. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
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