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Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:00:00 -
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If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.
Rerun the election, or the results are worthless. |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
115
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:01:00 -
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Darius for CSM7 Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
thekiller2002us
Order of Celestial Knights S I L E N T.
90
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:02:00 -
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MMMMMMM Goon tears are most delicious I'm with Brick on this one- make thouse carebearing b******s squeal.. |
Headerman
Quovis CORE Alliance
782
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:02:00 -
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IB4L The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
160
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:03:00 -
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As someone who did not vote for The Mitanni I feel it would be only fair to re-run the CSM elections or at least give those who voted for The Mitanni a chance to vote for someone else. |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
115
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:03:00 -
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I'm right on top yo. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
GeeShizzle MacCloud
98
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:03:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:Darius for CSM7
f**k off |
Gindack
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:03:00 -
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Also, if CCP is willing to action out of game/forum actions as a violation of our Terms of Use, what says they will not monitoring our Coms in the near future. It is a conspiracy against the Goon Agenda. |
Adrenalinemax
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
17
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:06:00 -
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re run
there is no other choice
The voice of the people spoke |
Kriegman
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:07:00 -
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Agreed, the vote has to be thrown out and new election held. Lots of people voted for Mittens. If he is gone our votes have to mean something if CSM is to have any legitimacy. |
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Poison Tiger
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:08:00 -
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re-election please. |
Liam Mirren
382
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:08:00 -
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Kyle Myr wrote:If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.
Rerun the election, or the results are worthless.
Elections were fair and square, no validity to question. It's just that AFTER the election said representative decided to mess up. Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
115
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:10:00 -
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GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:THE L0CK wrote:Darius for CSM7 f**k off
U mad bro? Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
205
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:11:00 -
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Darius got his seat, and an a fairly run recount of votes, he'd win it again. As someone whose organization has its legitimacy questioned by this, he should be calling just as hard for this. |
Anya Klibor
Error-404
25
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:12:00 -
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Kyle Myr wrote:If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.
Rerun the election, or the results are worthless.
These tears will be used as lube for my special alone time tonight. |
Ai Shun
453
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:12:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:As someone who did not vote for The Mitanni I feel it would be only fair to re-run the CSM elections or at least give those who voted for The Mitanni a chance to vote for someone else.
I agree, the CSM election should be re-run. We have lost the candidate that attracted 17% of the vote. To my mind that leaves the current CSM without a sufficient mandate. |
Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
277
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:13:00 -
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Mintrolio victor! Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á Senior Recruiter |
Kriegman
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:13:00 -
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Anya Klibor wrote:Kyle Myr wrote:If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.
Rerun the election, or the results are worthless. These tears will be used as lube for my special alone time tonight.
Tears? No, another CFC candidate for CSM chair YES |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
577
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:14:00 -
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CCP did not re-run the elections in teh past when other CSM members were removed for TOS/EULA violations, why should they do it now?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Ryunosuke Kusanagi
29
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:14:00 -
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I have to agree with this, when a large portion of the electoral ballots have suddenly become invalidated, Multiple things are gonna happen.
Future CSM votes will not nearly be as high. If at all. CSM WILL lose a lot, if not all credibility between CCP and CSM in the playerbase's eyes. See: Monoclegate
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
171
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:14:00 -
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Liam Mirren wrote:Kyle Myr wrote:If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.
Rerun the election, or the results are worthless. Elections were fair and square, no validity to question. It's just that AFTER the election said representative decided to mess up.
In what electoral system do you vote in where once the votes are in the other side automatically wins when dirt is found on the winning party? Because it has to be absolutely hilarious and I NEED to watch during election season. |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
106
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:15:00 -
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Kyle Myr wrote:If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.
Rerun the election, or the results are worthless. That's not how it works. If a President is impeached and removed from office, they don't just hold a new Presidential election right then and there. There's an order of succession, and that's what will take over.
I can understand feeling disenfranchised right now. The person you voted for, and who won in what can only be described as a massive landslide, will not in fact be holding the position he was elected to. It seems unfair. Unfortunately, that's how the process works.
When you make a choice that doesn't work out for you, you can't just suddenly demand to do it over with new options. You have to live with the consequences of your choice. You chose a person who later committed actions that caused him to be removed from office.
Such is life. |
Anya Klibor
Error-404
25
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:15:00 -
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Kriegman wrote:Anya Klibor wrote:Kyle Myr wrote:If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.
Rerun the election, or the results are worthless. These tears will be used as lube for my special alone time tonight. Tears? No, another CFC candidate for CSM chair YES
Oh God yes, keep them coming! |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
410
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:16:00 -
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If they rerun the election, can I vote for mittens again anyway?
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc Order of the Void
240
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:16:00 -
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Kriegman wrote:Agreed, the vote has to be thrown out and new election held. Lots of Goons voted for Mittens. If he is gone our votes have to mean something if CSM is to have any legitimacy.
Fixed. |
Anya Klibor
Error-404
25
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:21:00 -
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Ryunosuke Kusanagi wrote:I have to agree with this, when a large portion of the electoral ballots have suddenly become invalidated, Multiple things are gonna happen.
Future CSM votes will not nearly be as high. If at all. CSM WILL lose a lot, if not all credibility between CCP and CSM in the playerbase's eyes. See: Monoclegate
They were invalidated because of the elected official's incompetence. If it was vote tampering, you might have a point. |
Ai Shun
455
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:22:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote:That's not how it works. If a President is impeached and removed from office, they don't just hold a new Presidential election right then and there. There's an order of succession, and that's what will take over.
I can understand feeling disenfranchised right now. The person you voted for, and who won in what can only be described as a massive landslide, will not in fact be holding the position he was elected to. It seems unfair. Unfortunately, that's how the process works.
When you make a choice that doesn't work out for you, you can't just suddenly demand to do it over with new options. You have to live with the consequences of your choice. You chose a person who later committed actions that caused him to be removed from office.
Such is life.
Research "By-Election". The Mittani is not a president, but a member of a house. |
ChYph3r
Multiplex Gaming SpaceMonkey's Alliance
29
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:27:00 -
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My deal with this is Mittens took did something we all do within our corps, alliances and coms. He did it in public. I don't understand why saying a persons in game name can cause so much ****. Its not like its his real life name. Thus the anonymity was kept.
CCP has now just shat all over the 10058 people that voted for The Mittani.
PS Darius is still an ass.
FREE THE MITTANI ---- 10058AMP - Angry Monkey Podcast-á |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
106
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:27:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Amity Lane wrote:That's not how it works. If a President is impeached and removed from office, they don't just hold a new Presidential election right then and there. There's an order of succession, and that's what will take over.
I can understand feeling disenfranchised right now. The person you voted for, and who won in what can only be described as a massive landslide, will not in fact be holding the position he was elected to. It seems unfair. Unfortunately, that's how the process works.
When you make a choice that doesn't work out for you, you can't just suddenly demand to do it over with new options. You have to live with the consequences of your choice. You chose a person who later committed actions that caused him to be removed from office.
Such is life. Research "By-Election". The Mittani is not a president, but a member of a house. By-elections only apply when there's not a line of succession in place.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what the CSM alternates are for?
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Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
161
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:28:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:CCP did not re-run the elections in the past when other CSM members were removed for TOS/EULA violations, why should they do it now?
Those events were well into the terms of the CSM members and another election or chance for certain people to vote again would disrupt what was going on in the CSM.
The CSM elections just ended, the CSM hasn't even had the time to actually do anything and thus it would be appropriate for votes to be cast now while nothing has actually happened. |
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Lonox
Hilmar is Lord
7
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:30:00 -
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Rerun for CSM7!!! |
Alara IonStorm
1843
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:30:00 -
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I don't think there should be a re-election. Those votes were not lost but squandered by The Mittani and the blame is squarely on him.
The other people who campaigned do not deserve to loose there seats because of one bad apples crime. Yes my vote was invalidated and so was ten thousand others and I place blame on The Mittani for that one.
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low26
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
31
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:32:00 -
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u mad brah? |
GeeShizzle MacCloud
99
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:32:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:THE L0CK wrote:Darius for CSM7 f**k off U mad bro?
no im not... i just know he's a f**kin waste of space |
Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
473
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:33:00 -
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http://i.imgur.com/8q5Pt.jpg Theta Squad best squad. Monocle crew represent~
10,058 |
Liam Mirren
382
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:34:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Liam Mirren wrote:Kyle Myr wrote:If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.
Rerun the election, or the results are worthless. Elections were fair and square, no validity to question. It's just that AFTER the election said representative decided to mess up. In what electoral system do you vote in where once the votes are in the other side automatically wins when dirt is found on the winning party? Because it has to be absolutely hilarious and I NEED to watch during election season.
Actually, it happens a lot. Politicians who are found to have a "problematic history" or, as in this case, fck up afterwards to have to resign. Also eggs basket and all that, if you had chosen for more representatives you'd still have one. Don't vote on what you can't afford to lose. Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate
252
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:34:00 -
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Let's do it under STV. |
Ai Shun
455
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:34:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote:Research "By-Election". The Mittani is not a president, but a member of a house. By-elections only apply when there's not a line of succession in place.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what the CSM alternates are for?[/quote]
And in regular (At least here in NZ) systems, when the electoral candidate is removed or removes themselves the position does not drop down to the next highest vote count. see this as a special circumstance because it represents a large slice of the voting population (Almost 20%!) and it is the position of Chairman.
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
577
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:34:00 -
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CCP did not re-run the elections in the past when other CSM members were removed for TOS/EULA violations, why exactly should they do it now?
Anyone?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:36:00 -
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you guys butthurt?!? blahblahblah,blahblah, was what i got from this post. blahblahblah,blahblah, was what you got from my post. lets call it even. |
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Alara IonStorm
1844
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:36:00 -
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Infinimo wrote:http://i.imgur.com/8q5Pt.jpg You should fix that from because he told a guy to end it to he told a bunch of people to harass him into ending it.
Don't want to give misinformation do you?
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Xander Riggs
The Scope Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:37:00 -
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There is no better way to strip confidence from the CSM than to throw out the landslide winner on tenuous grounds. His actions were not representing the CSM or CCP, but Goonswarm, and should be seen as such. "SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE." |
XavierVE
Concordiat Spaceship Samurai
124
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:37:00 -
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That's what you get for voting in an abusive alcoholic to be CSM chairman.
Next time, vote for someone who is a bit more mentally balanced and you won't have these problems.
What'd Mittani say? Dealwithit? Yeah, that sounds about right. Dealwithit. |
Revii Lagoon
The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore
40
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:39:00 -
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We don't want a re-election, we want the person who we rightfully elected to the CSM have his spot on the CSM. |
Ai Shun
458
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:40:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:CCP did not re-run the elections in the past when other CSM members were removed for TOS/EULA violations, why exactly should they do it now?
I can't find the name of that candidate now, but if memory serves me right the candidate was not the Chair nor did they hold almost 20% of the vote. That is a large percentage - large enough to make me want a re-election rather than just having an alternate step up.
Besides, it is not like running a real-world election so the cost to CCP should be relatively minimal. |
Xander Riggs
The Scope Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:41:00 -
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XavierVE wrote:That's what you get for voting in an abusive alcoholic to be CSM chairman.
Next time, vote for someone who is a bit more mentally balanced and you won't have these problems.
What'd Mittani say? Dealwithit? Yeah, that sounds about right. Dealwithit.
Clearly, you have never been to any gaming conventions. Take a look at CCP's own gate camp at the airport. They met Eve players with a tour bus and handed out handles of jack and cases of beer. Sobriety is not what people DO at these conventions. "SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE." |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
108
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:41:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Research "By-Election". The Mittani is not a president, but a member of a house. By-elections only apply when there's not a line of succession in place. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what the CSM alternates are for?
And in regular (At least here in NZ) systems, when the electoral candidate is removed or removes themselves the position does not drop down to the next highest vote count. see this as a special circumstance because it represents a large slice of the voting population (Almost 20%!) and it is the position of Chairman. [/quote] Well, I guess there's so much variance all around the world it's pointless for the two of us to really speculate on it. I'll admit as an Israeli living in America I get pretty mixed up about how various government thingies work at times.
It's easy to get caught up in how things are done at home, and not be mindful of the rest of the world and how their processes work. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
579
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:44:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Doc Fury wrote:CCP did not re-run the elections in the past when other CSM members were removed for TOS/EULA violations, why exactly should they do it now? I can't find the name of that candidate now, but if memory serves me right the candidate was not the Chair nor did they hold almost 20% of the vote. That is a large percentage - large enough to make me want a re-election rather than just having an alternate step up. Besides, it is not like running a real-world election so the cost to CCP should be relatively minimal.
So just because one of the members who was removed for TOS/EULA violations got more votes than the other members, that somehow creates the necessity for some kind of a "do-over"?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Ai Shun
458
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:44:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote:Well, I guess there's so much variance all around the world it's pointless for the two of us to really speculate on it. I'll admit as an Israeli living in America I get pretty mixed up about how various government thingies work at times.
It's easy to get caught up in how things are done at home, and not be mindful of the rest of the world and how their processes work.
Yeah, I agree the Alternates should apply under normal circumstances but this seems to far from the norm for me to be comfortable with what has happened. It would be fair to the Goonswarm to have a re-election and, 'sides, it might give me the opportunity to get my preferred candidate a seat |
Xander Riggs
The Scope Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:45:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Research "By-Election". The Mittani is not a president, but a member of a house. By-elections only apply when there's not a line of succession in place. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what the CSM alternates are for? And in regular (At least here in NZ) systems, when the electoral candidate is removed or removes themselves the position does not drop down to the next highest vote count. see this as a special circumstance because it represents a large slice of the voting population (Almost 20%!) and it is the position of Chairman. Well, I guess there's so much variance all around the world it's pointless for the two of us to really speculate on it. I'll admit as an Israeli living in America I get pretty mixed up about how various government thingies work at times. It's easy to get caught up in how things are done at home, and not be mindful of the rest of the world and how their processes work.
Perhaps it would be wise to propose a system of alternates in future elections? The candidates choose their VPs and run on a two-man ticket, to ensure that the message is heard even if the particular winner is unable to continue to represent due to illness or hurt feelings? "SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE." |
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XavierVE
Concordiat Spaceship Samurai
124
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:45:00 -
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Xander Riggs wrote:Clearly, you have never been to any gaming conventions. Take a look at CCP's own gate camp at the airport. They met Eve players with a tour bus and handed out handles of jack and cases of beer. Sobriety is not what people DO at these conventions.
And the difference between someone with an alcohol problem and someone without?
The alcoholic is self-destructive, abusive to others and drinks to a level where he does not even remember what he did the previous night. You voted in an abusive alcoholic. You don't see proper CSM members like Darius III, Issler or Two Step getting blackout drunk and then trying to get someone to kill themselves. The fact that so many were served alcohol is not a defense of Alex, but a condemnation. Others could handle their alcohol, he couldn't because he needs professional help to deal with his addiction and abuse.
You complain that your votes are now wasted, they were wasted when you voted for the drunkard to begin with. |
Ai Shun
460
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:47:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:So just because one of the members who was removed for TOS/EULA violations got more votes than the other members, that somehow creates the necessity for some kind of a "do-over"?
Yes, because it represents such a large slice of the voting population. If 17% of the voting population that put a government in-place has their candidate removed, it seems reasonable to me. These are not normal circumstances.
You disagree, no harm. But I would like to see a re-election. We'll probably see the same people re-elected (With maybe Lady Harlot ) but it would make me feel the new CSM has legitimacy. They're not "sworn in" yet, that happens April 4th.
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Ai Shun
460
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:47:00 -
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Xander Riggs wrote:Perhaps it would be wise to propose a system of alternates in future elections? The candidates choose their VPs and run on a two-man ticket, to ensure that the message is heard even if the particular winner is unable to continue to represent due to illness or hurt feelings?
Something, yes. This is our damn in-game democracy. We should be able to shape it the way we want it. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
53
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:50:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:As someone who did not vote for The Mitanni, I feel it would be only fair to re-run the CSM elections or at least give those who voted for The Mitanni a chance to vote for someone else.
The latter is broken as it would allow us to strategically vote to get the most CFC candidates in. Hang on why am I telling you this, its a great idea.
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Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
109
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:50:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:Perhaps it would be wise to propose a system of alternates in future elections? The candidates choose their VPs and run on a two-man ticket, to ensure that the message is heard even if the particular winner is unable to continue to represent due to illness or hurt feelings? Something, yes. This is our damn in-game democracy. We should be able to shape it the way we want it. I could see a two-man ticket system getting really complicated.
I do agree that in the future there should be some kind of set system in the event of this kind of thing...whether a panel of alternates, junior members, By-election system, etc. Codification is good! |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
583
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:50:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Doc Fury wrote:So just because one of the members who was removed for TOS/EULA violations got more votes than the other members, that somehow creates the necessity for some kind of a "do-over"? Yes, because it represents such a large slice of the voting population. If 17% of the voting population that put a government in-place has their candidate removed, it seems reasonable to me. These are not normal circumstances. You disagree, no harm. But I would like to see a re-election. We'll probably see the same people re-elected (With maybe Lady Harlot ) but it would make me feel the new CSM has legitimacy. They're not "sworn in" yet, that happens April 4th.
Yeah, about that.. I don't think that's how a democracy works when an elected "official" is impeached, which is pretty much what happened here. I think CCP provided for alternates for this specific situation.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Xenuria
Center Haus
476
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:52:00 -
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Now is my chance...
Vote for me.
Vote Xenuria! Hockles |
Ai Shun
460
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:52:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Yeah, about that.. I don't think that's how a democracy works when an elected "official" is impeached, which is pretty much what happened here. I think CCP provided for alternates for this specific situation.
It depends on the nature of the democracy and how it is handled. Refer to the previous discussion on a By-Election or read here.
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Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:53:00 -
[59] - Quote
I would be willing to give up my campaign for a revote if CCP was willing to show transparency about how and why this decision was made. If we're going to start comparing this to an impeachment, isn't that what should happen?
But it's not an impeachment, and we all know that. Anybody claiming otherwise is clearly daft, devious, or both. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
53
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:54:00 -
[60] - Quote
The whole alternates thing is stupid from the start, though ccp are pretty unlucky that this perfect storm (candidate gets enormous vote then is removed immediately with the alternate system leaving his voters disenfranchised) has happened to expose its flaws. |
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
585
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:57:00 -
[61] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Yeah, about that.. I don't think that's how a democracy works when an elected "official" is impeached, which is pretty much what happened here. I think CCP provided for alternates for this specific situation. It depends on the nature of the democracy and how it is handled. Refer to the previous discussion on a By-Election or read here.
Well, that type of situation would be conditional on there being no alternates, CCP provided for this situation by assigning alternate CSM candidates for *exactly* this situation. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
110
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:58:00 -
[62] - Quote
Doddy wrote:The whole alternates thing is stupid from the start, though ccp are pretty unlucky that this perfect storm (candidate gets enormous vote then is removed immediately with the alternate system leaving his voters disenfranchised) has happened to expose its flaws. That's actually a good thing. Now that the problem is known, it can be fixed.
The CSM needs to be further codified in the event of future incidents like this. If you have a set plan in place beforehand, when the unthinkable happens you don't have a ton of people running around screaming and helpless...you have instructions to follow. You learn that in the military pretty quickly. |
Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
434
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 23:59:00 -
[63] - Quote
The funny thing is, CCP didnt force Mittens to resign and invalidate the votes.
He did that himself. Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
Liam Mirren
385
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:00:00 -
[64] - Quote
Doddy wrote:The whole alternates thing is stupid from the start, though ccp are pretty unlucky that this perfect storm (candidate gets enormous vote then is removed immediately with the alternate system leaving his voters disenfranchised) has happened to expose its flaws.
There are no flaws, one of the CSM members messed up (this has happened before) and got removed because of it (this has happened before), thus an alternate steps in. The system works perfectly fine. CCP is not responsible for the actions of said CSM member, if the public isn't happy with losing representation then they should probably aim that at the booted CSM member. Or just cry tears of rage on the forums, that also works and by "works" I mean "is hilarious". Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
53
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:01:00 -
[65] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Yeah, about that.. I don't think that's how a democracy works when an elected "official" is impeached, which is pretty much what happened here. I think CCP provided for alternates for this specific situation. It depends on the nature of the democracy and how it is handled. Refer to the previous discussion on a By-Election or read here. Well, that type of situation would be conditional on there being no alternates, CCP provided for this situation by assigning alternate CSM candidates for *exactly* this situation.
So the current first alternate (i don't even know who it is btw) will represent the people who voted for Mittani?
Of course the CFC only have themselves to blame for putting all their votes behind MIttani instead of maximising CSM numbers like in previous years. Oops.
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Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 00:02:00 -
[66] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:The funny thing is, CCP didnt force Mittens to resign and invalidate the votes.
He did that himself. Hey you can keep posting this and liking your own post but it's still not true. |
Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
434
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 00:03:00 -
[67] - Quote
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:The funny thing is, CCP didnt force Mittens to resign and invalidate the votes.
He did that himself. Hey you can keep posting this and liking your own post but it's still not true. What part of resign don't you grasp? Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
Heimdallofasgard
Apex Clan
138
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 00:04:00 -
[68] - Quote
Adrenalinemax wrote:re run
there is no other choice
The voice of the people spoke
not empty quoting |
Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 00:05:00 -
[69] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:Doctor Benway Kado wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:The funny thing is, CCP didnt force Mittens to resign and invalidate the votes.
He did that himself. Hey you can keep posting this and liking your own post but it's still not true. What part of resign don't you grasp? What part of "from the chairmanship" don't you grasp?
Oh, I know, the part that doesn't support your bullshit version of history. Right. |
Midge Mo'yb
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
127
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 00:06:00 -
[70] - Quote
I WANT MY VOTES BACK |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1065
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 00:06:00 -
[71] - Quote
Kyle Myr wrote:If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.
Rerun the election, or the results are worthless.
As I said in the other goon tears thread in JP:
You had your vote. You voted fail. Now HTFU and stop crying.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
585
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 00:08:00 -
[72] - Quote
Doddy wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Yeah, about that.. I don't think that's how a democracy works when an elected "official" is impeached, which is pretty much what happened here. I think CCP provided for alternates for this specific situation. It depends on the nature of the democracy and how it is handled. Refer to the previous discussion on a By-Election or read here. Well, that type of situation would be conditional on there being no alternates, CCP provided for this situation by assigning alternate CSM candidates for *exactly* this situation. So the current first alternate (i don't even know who it is btw) will represent the people who voted for Mittani? Of course the CFC only have themselves to blame for putting all their votes behind MIttani instead of maximising CSM numbers like in previous years. Oops.
I would imagine that the delegate with the next highest number of votes would become chairman, or the CSM would vote on who becomes chairman from within their ranks. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
53
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 00:08:00 -
[73] - Quote
Liam Mirren wrote:Doddy wrote:The whole alternates thing is stupid from the start, though ccp are pretty unlucky that this perfect storm (candidate gets enormous vote then is removed immediately with the alternate system leaving his voters disenfranchised) has happened to expose its flaws. There are no flaws, one of the CSM members messed up (this has happened before) and got removed because of it (this has happened before), thus an alternate steps in. The system works perfectly fine. CCP is not responsible for the actions of said CSM member, if the public isn't happy with losing representation then they should probably aim that at the booted CSM member. Or just cry tears of rage on the forums, that also works and by "works" I mean "is hilarious".
Its still a flaw even if its funny. The fact the CSM wasn't even in place yet makes it even more ridiculous. |
PsychoBitch
Playboy Enterprises Dark Taboo
260
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 00:09:00 -
[74] - Quote
The behavior exhibited is not becoming of an eve player, let alone someone he supposedly represents.
CCP should have him unceremoniously removed immediately, and banned.
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Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
53
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 00:09:00 -
[75] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Doddy wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Yeah, about that.. I don't think that's how a democracy works when an elected "official" is impeached, which is pretty much what happened here. I think CCP provided for alternates for this specific situation. It depends on the nature of the democracy and how it is handled. Refer to the previous discussion on a By-Election or read here. Well, that type of situation would be conditional on there being no alternates, CCP provided for this situation by assigning alternate CSM candidates for *exactly* this situation. So the current first alternate (i don't even know who it is btw) will represent the people who voted for Mittani? Of course the CFC only have themselves to blame for putting all their votes behind MIttani instead of maximising CSM numbers like in previous years. Oops. I would imagine that the delegate with the next highest number of votes would become chairman, or the CSM would vote on who becomes chairman.
The csm votes to select a replacement, i am not talking about who is chairman though, that is really just an ego piece.
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MissCake
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 00:10:00 -
[76] - Quote
Revote imo |
Ai Shun
461
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:10:00 -
[77] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:Doctor Benway Kado wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:The funny thing is, CCP didnt force Mittens to resign and invalidate the votes.
He did that himself. Hey you can keep posting this and liking your own post but it's still not true. What part of resign don't you grasp?
Oh dear, dear, dear.
Resigned as chairman.
CCP removed him from the CSM. |
Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:11:00 -
[78] - Quote
PsychoBitch wrote:The behavior exhibited is not becoming of an eve player, let alone someone he supposedly represents.
CCP should have him unceremoniously removed immediately, and banned.
But spamming is, apparently. |
Kesper North
Gentlemen of Means Gentlemen's Agreement
38
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:11:00 -
[79] - Quote
Kyle Myr wrote:If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.
Rerun the election, or the results are worthless.
QFT - this action totally invalidates the rest of the voting. |
Ai Shun
461
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 00:12:00 -
[80] - Quote
PsychoBitch wrote:The behavior exhibited is not becoming of an eve player, let alone someone he supposedly represents.
CCP should have him unceremoniously removed immediately, and banned.
You ran for the CSM and can't even keep up with the game? |
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XavierVE
Concordiat Spaceship Samurai
128
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:14:00 -
[81] - Quote
Kesper North wrote:QFT - this action totally invalidates the rest of the voting.
Don't vote for an abusive alcoholic next time, and maybe your vote won't be wasted. Literally.
I wonder if Republicans cried this much when Nixon was forced from office. Then again, at least Nixon was funny once in a while, not even ol' Mittani could manage that. |
Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
149
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 00:16:00 -
[82] - Quote
If u split his vote on to 2 players they would still beat every current csm member. we need a revote. |
Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
95
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 00:18:00 -
[83] - Quote
The bread my wife made earlier was really, really good.
Also, I got a new grill today. Time to cook up some chicken! Mmm |
Minabunny
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:19:00 -
[84] - Quote
Would you like a tissue? |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
49
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 00:20:00 -
[85] - Quote
its probably an omen. put 0.0 on the backburner for a while and focus on other aspects of game. like FW
HANS FOR CSM! |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
124
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:24:00 -
[86] - Quote
CSM is invalid, we demand revote. |
Revii Lagoon
The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore
49
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:33:00 -
[87] - Quote
Aiden Andraste wrote:CSM is invalid, we demand revote. We do not want a revote we want the person we rightfully elected to CSM to actually be on the CSM. |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
85
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:38:00 -
[88] - Quote
Voting now would mean the lowest turn-out ever. Unless The Mittani could run, in which case he likely would get even more votes then before.
I think the majority of EVE is not pleased how a few very vocal scrubs have thrown The Mittani in front of a bus, not caring about the damage it would do to the game. And they are aided by the imbeciles at CCP that don't understand their own game and only care about licking the boots of Sony and the game media.
The best move would have been CCP apologizing for the live feed. Mittens stepping down as chairman but retaining a seat on the CSM with an public and personal apology. And perhaps a 30 day ban (though that sets a very slippery precedent about an in-game eula being applied to out-game matters).
Sadly, the 'deciders' are generally stupid people. http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif
How about fixing image-linking on the forums, CCP? I want to see signatures! |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
479
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:42:00 -
[89] - Quote
Didn't vote Mittani, yet still disagree with the fact that 1/6th of the biggest turnout in CSM election history just got made null and void before the Council even starts term.
Recall election please. Same candidates as already out there (minus Mittani) and rerun the vote. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
153
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 00:49:00 -
[90] - Quote
There should be no rerun the votes have been counted and the election completed.
Two Step should become chair.
If CCP wishes another CSM then a seperate vote to elect 1 new CSM should take place. But that's up to CCP. |
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Manji Lee
Missions Mining and Mayhem Northern Coalition.
48
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 00:58:00 -
[91] - Quote
If there's a re-vote. Then I call for bullshit. He was never a good man to begin with. Manipulative, crude, and arrogant type of son of the ***** he was. And yet you people voted for him!? Not to mention all this yelling about how CCP sack him from CSM when in reality he resigned from it.
Peeps need to take a chill pill and accept the fact before jumping to conclusion. |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
130
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 01:10:00 -
[92] - Quote
People who are all Goon-hate will be allowed to revote as well. The point is EVERYONE'S VOICE MATTERS. Not just Goons, and not just Anti-Goons.
When we get the revote that is needed to keep the CSM a relevant entity, you can vote for whomever you want. |
Manji Lee
Missions Mining and Mayhem Northern Coalition.
48
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 01:11:00 -
[93] - Quote
Aiden Andraste wrote:People who are all Goon-hate will be allowed to revote as well. The point is EVERYONE'S VOICE MATTERS. Not just Goons, and not just Anti-Goons.
When we get the revote that is needed to keep the CSM a relevant entity, you can vote for whomever you want.
I think your missing the point... |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
118
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:27:00 -
[94] - Quote
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:THE L0CK wrote:GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:THE L0CK wrote:Darius for CSM7 f**k off U mad bro? no im not... i just know he's a f**kin waste of space
yeahumad Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
225
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 02:01:00 -
[95] - Quote
CCP will do what they do. The members that won, won. I've got nothing against the candidates you voted for (I'm presuming Elise and Darius III given the alliance tickers). I'm simply pointing out that removing the candidate that won more votes than any 3 other candidates combined (or even the 7 lowest standing members) calls into question the CSM representing players.
Obviously, as players, we have no power to dictate their policy. How they handle this will just say how they consider the CSM as an organization representing their voting players. |
Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
223
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:01:00 -
[96] - Quote
The Mittani for CSM 7. . |
Panda Name
Republic University Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:22:00 -
[97] - Quote
Manji Lee wrote:If there's a re-vote. Then I call for bullshit. He was never a good man to begin with. Manipulative, crude, and arrogant type of son of the ***** he was. And yet you people voted for him!? Not to mention all this yelling about how CCP sack him from CSM when in reality he resigned from it.
Peeps need to take a chill pill and accept the fact before jumping to conclusion.
ncDOT |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
507
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:24:00 -
[98] - Quote
Kyle Myr wrote:If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.
Rerun the election, or the results are worthless.
Some one you like made you waste your vote so now you want to disfranchise the other winners. Next time vote for someone that wont waste your vote.
Stay classy goons. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish into thin air. |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
138
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 03:25:00 -
[99] - Quote
Caellach Marellus wrote:Didn't vote Mittani, yet still disagree with the fact that 1/6th of the biggest turnout in CSM election history just got made null and void before the Council even starts term.
Recall election please. Same candidates as already out there (minus Mittani) and rerun the vote. This please. CCP either takes the CSM seriously or it's just a politically correct entity that means nothing to them. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
511
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:25:00 -
[100] - Quote
Kyle Myr wrote:CCP will do what they do. The members that won, won. I've got nothing against the candidates you voted for (I'm presuming Elise and Darius III given the alliance tickers). I'm simply pointing out that removing the candidate that won more votes than any 3 other candidates combined (or even the 7 lowest standing members) calls into question the CSM representing players.
Obviously, as players, we have no power to dictate their policy. How they handle this will just say how they consider the CSM as an organization representing their voting players.
Dont vote for a racist that called for other players to kill someone next time. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish into thin air. |
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Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
94
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:25:00 -
[101] - Quote
a year of trolling a csm lacking any democratic mandate
oh boy |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
139
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 03:29:00 -
[102] - Quote
Daviclond wrote:a year of trolling a csm lacking any democratic mandate
oh boy Pretty much this. LET THE TEN THOUSAND HAVE THEIR SAY. |
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
80
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 03:31:00 -
[103] - Quote
Aiden Andraste wrote: ...LET THE TEN THOUSAND HAVE THEIR SAY.
Oh, go make a TV show for Christ's sake. |
Manji Lee
Missions Mining and Mayhem Northern Coalition.
48
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 04:18:00 -
[104] - Quote
Panda Name wrote:Manji Lee wrote:If there's a re-vote. Then I call for bullshit. He was never a good man to begin with. Manipulative, crude, and arrogant type of son of the ***** he was. And yet you people voted for him!? Not to mention all this yelling about how CCP sack him from CSM when in reality he resigned from it.
Peeps need to take a chill pill and accept the fact before jumping to conclusion. ncDOT
I don't hide behind alts. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
91
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 04:23:00 -
[105] - Quote
Manji Lee wrote:Panda Name wrote:Manji Lee wrote:If there's a re-vote. Then I call for bullshit. He was never a good man to begin with. Manipulative, crude, and arrogant type of son of the ***** he was. And yet you people voted for him!? Not to mention all this yelling about how CCP sack him from CSM when in reality he resigned from it.
Peeps need to take a chill pill and accept the fact before jumping to conclusion. ncDOT I don't hide behind alts.
No one is saying anything about alts, but as someone from an alliance with something to gain out of all this, your people's opinions should be taken with a boulder of salt. |
Macon Chalaise
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:24:00 -
[106] - Quote
Kyle Myr wrote:If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.
Rerun the election, or the results are worthless.
Nixon was the peoples choice here in the US.
He resigned. No one was disenfranchised. There was no "re-vote."
True story. Here's to fire. Not the fast and furious kind that burns down shacks and shanties, but the slow, seductive kind that takes down pants and panties - Irish Toast |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
520
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:26:00 -
[107] - Quote
Macon Chalaise wrote:Kyle Myr wrote:If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.
Rerun the election, or the results are worthless. Nixon was the peoples choice here in the US. He resigned. No one was disenfranchised. There was no "re-vote." True story.
They don't actually care about the truth.
They just want to push their tyranny.
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish into thin air. |
Walter Wite
Spectre Arms
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 04:29:00 -
[108] - Quote
I don't think we need a rerun
Just mittens is kicked and the every slides up a place, 1st reserve gets a full seat.
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Macon Chalaise
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:30:00 -
[109] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Macon Chalaise wrote:Kyle Myr wrote:If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.
Rerun the election, or the results are worthless. Nixon was the peoples choice here in the US. He resigned. No one was disenfranchised. There was no "re-vote." True story. They don't actually care about the truth. They just want to push their tyranny.
The only person the goons have any reason to be mad at is the chairman formerly known as...not CCP or anyone else.
What happened was his fault and his responsibility. Here's to fire. Not the fast and furious kind that burns down shacks and shanties, but the slow, seductive kind that takes down pants and panties - Irish Toast |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
144
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:31:00 -
[110] - Quote
Walter Wite wrote:I don't think we need a rerun
Just mittens is kicked and the every slides up a place, 1st reserve gets a full seat.
And 10000 people who voted are suddenly declared as not important. Sounds totally legit. CSM is officially just a free ticket to iceland. |
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Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
120
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:36:00 -
[111] - Quote
Aiden Andraste wrote: Pretty much this. LET THE TEN THOUSAND HAVE THEIR SAY.
They had their say.
Their say was expelled.
Why do they deserve to speak twice? |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
144
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 04:44:00 -
[112] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote: Pretty much this. LET THE TEN THOUSAND HAVE THEIR SAY.
They had their say. Their say was expelled. Why do they deserve to speak twice? Because their first say was just dismissed by CCP as irrelevant. Thus, the CSM is now irrelevant in the minds of the 10000 who had their opinions **** on. |
Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
227
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 05:29:00 -
[113] - Quote
Mittani resigning from the chair is his own business. CCP chose to remove him from the seat that 10,058 players elected him to, for events which occurred during his CSM 6 tenure, before the CSM 7 results were announced, without offering anything to the constituency, Goonfleet and otherwise, which voted for him. Banning him for 30 days for this also goes above the actions taken against other EULA violations at fanjets, and it speaks of undemocratic reactions to media and marketing pressure. Obviously, if CCP doesn't want to do anything about this, they don't have to. But, by not doing anything, it casts the whole of CSM 7 under an air of questionable legitimacy, as anyone elected to it has far less votes than the leader removed from it.
This isn't to say that the remaining CSM 7 candidates haven't won their seats fair and square. To the posters in this thread suggesting that I think ill of Hans Jaegerblitzen or Elise Randolph (maybe Seleene?), I actually quite like these candidates, and commend them on their results in the polls. Furthermore, with the notable exception of Issler, those members of CSM 7 that have spoken about this decision have called out CCP's actions. Given their interest in serving the player base as representatives, I see no reason for them not to rally behind this stance - they would all easily win again in roughly the same order.
This has little to nothing to do with my personal views, which are irrelevant here. I actually found Mittani's presentation to be in poor taste, and I'm glad he gave his apology. More importantly, I'm glad logs have shown that The Wis is doing quite well these days. I actually like pretty much all of the members of CSM 7, and even those I don't necessarily like, I congratulate on winning their position, fair and square.
At any rate, obviously I can do nothing more than present CCP with this basic idea of how to keep a mandate with CSM 7. If they want to ignore this, that's their business. Posting here either way does little. |
Testerxnot Sheepherder
DeadHeads - Question Authority Crew
3
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:34:00 -
[114] - Quote
Goon tears are slightly more sweet and sugary (i.e. more delicious) than "pubbie" tears. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
127
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 05:36:00 -
[115] - Quote
Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:Goon tears are slightly more sweet and sugary (i.e. more delicious) than "pubbie" tears. It's the consistency I like... The way it melts into the mouth... |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
585
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:37:00 -
[116] - Quote
why?
because a lot of dudes voted for a guy who decided to decline the CSM chairman position?
should've voted better |
Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
228
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:02:00 -
[117] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:why?
because a lot of dudes voted for a guy who decided to decline the CSM chairman position?
should've voted better
So you can't read, didn't read, or don't care what I typed. Fine. At least you're posting on your main.
This has nothing to do with the chair. Stepping down from the chair doesn't disenfranchise voters. Removing the seat disenfranchises voters.
Granted, I imagine you're posting because you're presuming this is some sort of internet anger from me, implying some sort of victory from what you presume to be your own faction. That, honestly, is why I post. Because if that's what you think, it makes my own terrible posting look that much better by comparison. |
Dead Loss
Sweet Capsuleer Tears
2
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:03:00 -
[118] - Quote
So many goon tears in here, I just had the most awesome breakfast. |
Flette
Rosen Association
11
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:07:00 -
[119] - Quote
Kyle Myr wrote:If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.
Rerun the election, or the results are worthless.
No. This is what alternates are for. The votes were counted. The members elected. The criminals were thrown out. They don't run elections a second time when the politician turns out to be a criminal.
Deal with it. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
538
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:08:00 -
[120] - Quote
Kyle Myr wrote:Mittani resigning from the chair is his own business. CCP chose to remove him from the seat that 10,058 players elected him to, for events which occurred during his CSM 6 tenure, before the CSM 7 results were announced, without offering anything to the constituency, Goonfleet and otherwise, which voted for him. Banning him for 30 days for this also goes above the actions taken against other EULA violations at fanjets, and it speaks of undemocratic reactions to media and marketing pressure. Obviously, if CCP doesn't want to do anything about this, they don't have to. But, by not doing anything, it casts the whole of CSM 7 under an air of questionable legitimacy, as anyone elected to it has far less votes than the leader removed from it.
This isn't to say that the remaining CSM 7 candidates haven't won their seats fair and square. To the posters in this thread suggesting that I think ill of Hans Jaegerblitzen or Elise Randolph (maybe Seleene?), I actually quite like these candidates, and commend them on their results in the polls. Furthermore, with the notable exception of Issler, those members of CSM 7 that have spoken about this decision have called out CCP's actions. Given their interest in serving the player base as representatives, I see no reason for them not to rally behind this stance - they would all easily win again in roughly the same order.
This has little to nothing to do with my personal views, which are irrelevant here. I actually found Mittani's presentation to be in poor taste, and I'm glad he gave his apology. More importantly, I'm glad logs have shown that The Wis is doing quite well these days. I actually like pretty much all of the members of CSM 7, and even those I don't necessarily like, I congratulate on winning their position, fair and square.
At any rate, obviously I can do nothing more than present CCP with this basic idea of how to keep a mandate with CSM 7. If they want to ignore this, that's their business. Posting here either way does little.
Trying to hard. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
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Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
156
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:09:00 -
[121] - Quote
Kyle Myr wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:why?
because a lot of dudes voted for a guy who decided to decline the CSM chairman position?
should've voted better So you can't read, didn't read, or don't care what I typed. Fine. At least you're posting on your main. This has nothing to do with the chair. Stepping down from the chair doesn't disenfranchise voters. Removing the seat disenfranchises voters. Granted, I imagine you're posting because you're presuming this is some sort of internet anger from me, implying some sort of victory from what you presume to be your own faction. That, honestly, is why I post. Because if that's what you think, it makes my own terrible posting look that much better by comparison. It's apparent there's only two sides to this. The people who hate hate hate Goons and want anything associated to burn. The people who want to see a so called democratic election not be sullied by CCP's overreaction and disregard for those who voted. Then there's all the terrible trolls who constantly **** up everything in sight. |
Kiwi Momaki
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:14:00 -
[122] - Quote
Ha ha your actually serious... Keep them tears flowing... |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
325
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:16:00 -
[123] - Quote
This is a victory for the indifferent ones that will flock like vultures whenever they smell death but doesn't care enough to cast a vote in the election. A sad day in EVE. |
Manji Lee
Missions Mining and Mayhem Northern Coalition.
49
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:20:00 -
[124] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Manji Lee wrote:Panda Name wrote:Manji Lee wrote:If there's a re-vote. Then I call for bullshit. He was never a good man to begin with. Manipulative, crude, and arrogant type of son of the ***** he was. And yet you people voted for him!? Not to mention all this yelling about how CCP sack him from CSM when in reality he resigned from it.
Peeps need to take a chill pill and accept the fact before jumping to conclusion. ncDOT I don't hide behind alts. No one is saying anything about alts, but as someone from an alliance with something to gain out of all this, your people's opinions should be taken with a boulder of salt.
Well, we have nothing to gain from this aside from all the lol's from Mitt's. If you truly believe were ridding yjis for buff's in our favor. I can assure that your wrong with your opinions. EvE is a constantly changing internet space ship cog. A game full of risk. You either adapt or falter. Yes, I'll admit there's some drama about CSM changes within our ranks. But, we don't really mind as much as some people make it out to be. However, you can find that in any alliance you can go to;drama that is.
As I continue on about what Mittens. It's something that we can not condone. His actions were uncalled for and unprofessional. Not only he made an attack on someone in real life. But, also tarnish the image of the eve community. Therefore, he must take full responsibility of his actions. If anyone stands up for him. Then your no better person then he is. |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
156
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 06:22:00 -
[125] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:This is a victory for the indifferent ones that will flock like vultures whenever they smell death but doesn't care enough to cast a vote in the election. A sad day in EVE. Yeah, the idea of the CSM was a great one. Too bad that CCP is now in full PR and marketing mode. Oh well, they are here to make money primarily. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
540
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:22:00 -
[126] - Quote
Aiden Andraste wrote:Kyle Myr wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:why?
because a lot of dudes voted for a guy who decided to decline the CSM chairman position?
should've voted better So you can't read, didn't read, or don't care what I typed. Fine. At least you're posting on your main. This has nothing to do with the chair. Stepping down from the chair doesn't disenfranchise voters. Removing the seat disenfranchises voters. Granted, I imagine you're posting because you're presuming this is some sort of internet anger from me, implying some sort of victory from what you presume to be your own faction. That, honestly, is why I post. Because if that's what you think, it makes my own terrible posting look that much better by comparison. It's apparent there's only two sides to this. The people who hate hate hate Goons and want anything associated to burn. The people who want to see a so called democratic election not be sullied by CCP's overreaction and disregard for those who voted. Then there's all the terrible trolls who constantly **** up everything in sight.
he committed what is likely a real world crime
there is an alternate system for this very reason.
Freaking goons and pets, who knew they were such babies. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
229
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:26:00 -
[127] - Quote
Kiwi Momaki wrote:Ha ha your actually serious... Keep them tears flowing...
You can't read, or spell. At the end of the day it's space pixels in a game made by a company. I'm pointing out a few things because other people seem to have missed them, and I'm bored.
Honestly, http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2012/03/so-they-made-me-their-chief.html says it better, and covers what probably will happen. As far as my alliance is concerned, Mittani being removed from the CSM is probably the best thing that could happen for us, in terms of morale. The only way CCP is likely to actually call a rerun of the election is if the vast majority of the remaining elected CSM members resign over this.
Either way, interesting times, and business as usual, all at the same time. |
Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
229
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:32:00 -
[128] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote: he committed what is likely a real world crime
there is an alternate system for this very reason.
Freaking goons and pets, who knew they were such babies.
Obviously logic has no role here, so I'll go with your level of trolling, because I'm bored.
Capitalize the beginning of your sentences, and end them with proper punctuation, like periods. These are your friends, and they help you pretend you're able to communicate with written words, like an actual human being.
Another tip for effective writing is that faux cursing such as 'freaking' makes you look childish. If you're going to type *******, type *******. I understand there's a word filter on this forum, but you can read between the lines.
You used the proper form of there on the second line, though, so I must credit give where credit is due. You somehow dodged one of the more common mistakes in written english, proving that stopped clocks are in fact occasionally right.
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Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
700
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:33:00 -
[129] - Quote
Kyle Myr wrote:Rerun the election, or the results are worthless.
You put all your eggs in one basket and dropped it. Go make an omelet.
Granted you are waiting till mittens is unbanned and said omelet will be called Jita, just I don't know...
~deal with it~
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Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
160
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:35:00 -
[130] - Quote
Ryunosuke Kusanagi wrote:I have to agree with this, when a large portion of the electoral ballots have suddenly become invalidated, Multiple things are gonna happen.
Future CSM votes will not nearly be as high. If at all. CSM WILL lose a lot, if not all credibility between CCP and CSM in the playerbase's eyes. See: Monoclegate
CCP used Mittens as a martyr to Sony/Nvidia and the media to prop up their image and the CSM as an institution is rendered irrelevant because of it. Some brilliant decisions coming out of CCP lately. |
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Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
148
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:40:00 -
[131] - Quote
Rerun the election. That's all.
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evereplicant
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:45:00 -
[132] - Quote
Kyle Myr wrote:If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.
Rerun the election, or the results are worthless.
Ok I'll agree to this as long as no goons and alts can vote, ok? Then let's see |
Sugar Von MurdererTits
Shameless Suicidal Space Barbies
21
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:46:00 -
[133] - Quote
Can someone please tell me if the rumour is correct that Two Step the current chairman is the alt of Dabigredboat, a Goon? |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
93
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:50:00 -
[134] - Quote
Manji Lee wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Manji Lee wrote:Panda Name wrote:Manji Lee wrote:If there's a re-vote. Then I call for bullshit. He was never a good man to begin with. Manipulative, crude, and arrogant type of son of the ***** he was. And yet you people voted for him!? Not to mention all this yelling about how CCP sack him from CSM when in reality he resigned from it.
Peeps need to take a chill pill and accept the fact before jumping to conclusion. ncDOT I don't hide behind alts. No one is saying anything about alts, but as someone from an alliance with something to gain out of all this, your people's opinions should be taken with a boulder of salt. Well, we have nothing to gain from this aside from all the lol's from Mitt's. If you truly believe were ridding this for buff's in our favor. I can assure that your wrong with your opinions. EvE is a constantly changing internet space ship cog. A game full of risk. You either adapt or falter. Yes, I'll admit there's some drama about CSM changes within our ranks. But, we don't really mind as much as some people make it out to be. However, you can find that in any alliance you can go to;drama that is. As I continue on about what Mittens. It's something that we can not condone. His actions were uncalled for and unprofessional. Not only he made an attack on someone in real life. But, also tarnish the image of the eve community. Therefore, he must take full responsibility of what he has done. If anyone stands up for him for his recent actions at the fanfest. Then your no better person then he is.
You're saying that as a member of an alliance personally affected by changes Mittani brought forth, a member of an alliance with a *grudge* and is in active war with Goonswarm Federation, that the banning of Mittani doesn't help you gain anything.
If you say so.
ncDOT |
Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
196
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:56:00 -
[135] - Quote
Sugar Von MurdererTits wrote:Can someone please tell me if the rumour is correct that Two Step the current chairman is the alt of Dabigredboat, a Goon?
Not at all |
Sugar Von MurdererTits
Shameless Suicidal Space Barbies
22
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:08:00 -
[136] - Quote
Ivana Twinkle wrote:Sugar Von MurdererTits wrote:Can someone please tell me if the rumour is correct that Two Step the current chairman is the alt of Dabigredboat, a Goon? Not at all
Seems to me like the CSM is a bit of a joke. Can't say I am surprised so few people bother voting. |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
161
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:10:00 -
[137] - Quote
Sugar Von MurdererTits wrote:Ivana Twinkle wrote:Sugar Von MurdererTits wrote:Can someone please tell me if the rumour is correct that Two Step the current chairman is the alt of Dabigredboat, a Goon? Not at all Seems to me like the CSM is a bit of a joke. Can't say I am surprised so few people bother voting. Unfortunately, after this incident, it's likely that many more will ignore the CSM next time around. |
Kiandoshia
Gnampf Inc.
24
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:11:00 -
[138] - Quote
How many people voted in total? What percentage of the playerbase is that? I seriously doubt that anything was being represented in the first place lol. |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
217
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:14:00 -
[139] - Quote
Stop whining Goons... or just continue. It's really funny .
Vote for someone more competent next time and deal with it. You lost. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
27
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:15:00 -
[140] - Quote
Kyle Myr wrote:If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.
Rerun the election, or the results are worthless.
The tears are threatening to overwelm even the best swimmers, please refrain from excessive tears for at least a week.... Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
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Manji Lee
Missions Mining and Mayhem Northern Coalition.
49
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:16:00 -
[141] - Quote
Cool story bro! Don't worry Lapine, I'm Chribba after all!
But, to be honest. The last term of the CSM. Was the best one, yet! Minus a few suggestion that was made to the dev's that would of have an negative impact on eve if brought forth. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
27
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:18:00 -
[142] - Quote
Kyle Myr wrote:Kiwi Momaki wrote:Ha ha your actually serious... Keep them tears flowing... You can't read, or spell. At the end of the day it's space pixels in a game made by a company. I'm pointing out a few things because other people seem to have missed them, and I'm bored. Honestly, http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2012/03/so-they-made-me-their-chief.html says it better, and covers what probably will happen. As far as my alliance is concerned, Mittani being removed from the CSM is probably the best thing that could happen for us, in terms of morale. The only way CCP is likely to actually call a rerun of the election is if the vast majority of the remaining elected CSM members resign over this. Either way, interesting times, and business as usual, all at the same time.
Isn't spinning this as a good thing in direct contrast with your foaming rabble demanding he be reinstated confusing the Hive? I was was just kidding about the CCD, really...
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1080
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:18:00 -
[143] - Quote
Kyle Myr wrote:If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process.
CCP didn't choose to do it. The mittani chose to remove himself by being a ******* moron.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Le Cardinal
Spricer Raiden.
12
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:26:00 -
[144] - Quote
Kyle Myr wrote:If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.
Rerun the election, or the results are worthless.
lol
So let me get you right. The Mittani gets elected as csm chairman with 10000 votes. He then does something out of order that cost him the csm chair. And you demand a reelection because your candidate screwed up? Please tell me this also work in real life. We have a few politicians i dont like. I will call for a reelection.
What was it goons spammed the other threads with? Oh yeah now i recall: A boo a boo a boo
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Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
162
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:33:00 -
[145] - Quote
Le Cardinal wrote:Kyle Myr wrote:If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.
Rerun the election, or the results are worthless. lol So let me get you right. The Mittani gets elected as csm chairman with 10000 votes. He then does something out of order that cost him the csm chair. And you demand a reelection because your candidate screwed up? Please tell me this also work in real life. We have a few politicians i dont like. I will call for a reelection. What was it goons spammed the other threads with? Oh yeah now i recall: A boo a boo a boo Oh look, this post again. We need MOAR comparisons to RL politics please. Dont be shy, badposters! This shithole of a forum is your stage. |
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
534
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:58:00 -
[146] - Quote
no www.shipsofeve.com
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
561
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:59:00 -
[147] - Quote
Aiden Andraste wrote:Le Cardinal wrote:Kyle Myr wrote:If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.
Rerun the election, or the results are worthless. lol So let me get you right. The Mittani gets elected as csm chairman with 10000 votes. He then does something out of order that cost him the csm chair. And you demand a reelection because your candidate screwed up? Please tell me this also work in real life. We have a few politicians i dont like. I will call for a reelection. What was it goons spammed the other threads with? Oh yeah now i recall: A boo a boo a boo Oh look, this post again. We need MOAR comparisons to RL politics please. Dont be shy, badposters! This shithole of a forum is your stage. '
Goon pet alt complains about RL creeping into the game.
Hilarious. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
449
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:05:00 -
[148] - Quote
Agreed. A rerun of teh whoel process from teh start is necessary really, fully a fifth of teh voters need to revote for someone. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Heet Crusher
Drunk Chaos Unprovoked Aggression
13
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:15:00 -
[149] - Quote
Can i get some goggles up in here. Tears are just too much. Goonies just lite some candles and sing kumbaya. |
Hiram Alexander
Seraphim Securities
193
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:22:00 -
[150] - Quote
If Riverini - a man who'd openly published detailed guides on how to bot without getting caught - had been banned from the CSM for the same offence as Alex, would that ~10058~ tactical block of voters suddenly demand a re-holding of elections, or a re-vote for his ~1067~ constituents...?
My guess is no chance... I'd be willing to bet that they'd be pissing themselves laughing at both him, and his voters... And so would I.
What if it had been the even less loved Xenuria... Would there be a righteous wave of e-honour on his behalf, threatening un-subs if his ~200~ (wtf?) voters weren't allowed to recast their, possibly insane, votes...?
Hell, no.
I've already made my thoughts known on the event itself, but on the subject of re-voting. No... I can only speak for myself, but in my opinion, as much as it must hurt for those who now feel their votes were wasted, I don't believe a re-vote should be allowed.
The ~10058~ chose to vote tactically, and put all their eggs in one basket... The handle fell off...
Make an omelette. |
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Esh Slyyn
Robian Yabus Mato Zhipping
3
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:40:00 -
[151] - Quote
We're not voting for a "King". The CSM 7 has enough members remaining - and who were elected aswell - to get the job done. Rather than trying to flood again and again, The Mittani electors should think about their vote, and try to make a smarter choice for 2013.
TL;DR : As your Guru said "Deal with it". |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
244
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:41:00 -
[152] - Quote
Nope no re-vote is required. The chair should go to Two Step or the council should elect a new leader. |
Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
59
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:42:00 -
[153] - Quote
No, it calls into question the validity of the voters who voted for him.
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
82
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:45:00 -
[154] - Quote
No need to revote. Or should we re vote every time a CSM steps down or is considered unfit. We would be up to CSM 20+ by now. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
151
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:51:00 -
[155] - Quote
Aiden Andraste wrote: Oh look, this post again. We need MOAR comparisons to RL politics please. Dont be shy, badposters! This shithole of a forum is your stage.
Ahahahaahaaaa!! You don't sayyyyy! |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
796
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:52:00 -
[156] - Quote
I don't see a need for a re-run.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
149
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:00:00 -
[157] - Quote
Rodj Blake wrote:I don't see a need for a re-run.
I don't see the need of CSM, where CCP arbitrarily sacks off representatives, who do not suite CCP's PR agenda.
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Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
167
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:01:00 -
[158] - Quote
There is no need to revote.
Your votes were not wasted you voted someone in, that person's actions got them removed.
As far as I can see the only reason you want a re-election is so that you can elect someone that will be sympathetic to your own corps views. And for some just to waste CCPs time. |
Muestereate
Two Geezers in Space
37
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:04:00 -
[159] - Quote
Goons are like NPC alts, they don't count |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
566
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:15:00 -
[160] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:I don't see a need for a re-run. I don't see the need of CSM, where CCP arbitrarily sacks off representatives, who are unsuitable to CCP's PR agenda.
heh, funny. I see a need for the CSM to conform to the rules. You break em, you lose your seat, happend before and will happen again. Its pretty sad how Goonswarm is taking this, I thought they where ~hardcore~. This isn't anything personal, its just reality.
You frack up, you deal with the consequences that follow from that behaviour and you move on.The consequences are not what you think they should be, they are what the powers that be tell you they are.
The Mittani thought he could fabricate his own punishment for something like this, and ~manage~ this. But that is quite delusional.
I don't like that the Fanfest was dragged through the mud like this, I don't like that the CSM was dragged through the mud like this and I certainly think The Mittani would have made a great CSM chair, but he fracked himself, hard. You can't turn that back.
Move on and run for CSM8 (burning Jita sounds like a nice distraction, can't wait to see it) - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
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Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
149
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:39:00 -
[161] - Quote
Ciar Meara wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:
I don't see the need of CSM, where CCP arbitrarily sacks off representatives, who are unsuitable to CCP's PR agenda.
heh, funny. I see a need for the CSM to conform to the rules. You break em, you lose your seat, happend before and will happen again.
As far as CCP is concerned, the only rules the CSM have to conform to out of game are the NDA.
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ApophisXP
Sadistic Retribution Sadistic Empire
28
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:47:00 -
[162] - Quote
Just put a new goon as head CSM. That's all they want. |
Di Mulle
45
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:04:00 -
[163] - Quote
Please establish a line, where elected CSM member gets a very special treatment. Is it exactly ~10058 ? Is the ~10057 sufficient as well ? Or we may settle at ~999 ? Or... ? <<Insert some waste of screen space here>> |
KaemosFZ
Almost Outta Beer
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:05:00 -
[164] - Quote
No. |
KaemosFZ
Almost Outta Beer
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:06:00 -
[165] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:Ciar Meara wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:
I don't see the need of CSM, where CCP arbitrarily sacks off representatives, who are unsuitable to CCP's PR agenda.
heh, funny. I see a need for the CSM to conform to the rules. You break em, you lose your seat, happend before and will happen again. As far as CCP is concerned, the only rules the CSM have to conform to out of game are the NDA. And the eula/tos, which the mittani did break. |
Enyeto Perah
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Isn't it funny how all the Goonmorons try to get a rerun, so they can get some other member into the CSM?
http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE
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Sam McCausland
Pax Mortis Inc.
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:09:00 -
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Can you overdose on Goon TearsGäó? I am starting to get a little bit worried... |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:10:00 -
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KaemosFZ wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:Ciar Meara wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:
I don't see the need of CSM, where CCP arbitrarily sacks off representatives, who are unsuitable to CCP's PR agenda.
heh, funny. I see a need for the CSM to conform to the rules. You break em, you lose your seat, happend before and will happen again. As far as CCP is concerned, the only rules the CSM have to conform to out of game are the NDA. And the eula/tos, which the mittani did break.
You missed the "out of game" part.
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