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Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:17:00 -
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-Facepalm-
We had this planned the moment we hit 10k votes.
This interdiction was no 'knee-jerk' reaction to the Mittani being punished. Cripes. |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
35
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:22:00 -
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Lenrir Andven wrote:-Facepalm-
We had this planned the moment we hit 10k votes.
This interdiction was no 'knee-jerk' reaction to the Mittani being punished. Cripes.
This. Also I'm so goddamn excited for the razing right now. It will be incredible. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:28:00 -
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IsTheOpOver wrote:JITA TO BURN APRIL 28th!!!!!
...also, this just in... Tornados to get a crippling nerf on April 27th ;)
My birthday, what an unexpected but pleasing present
This is what makes Eve great. Ingame drama. |
Testerxnot Sheepherder
DeadHeads - Question Authority Crew
6
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:29:00 -
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GallowsCalibrator wrote:
This. Also I'm so goddamn excited for the razing right now. It will be incredible.
CAN'T RAZE **** CAPTAIN |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
96
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:35:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:Will CCP act against the Burn Jita campaign on day 1? No.
Will CCP act against the prolonged campaign of Burn Jita? Probably.
Why would they? Because continued grieving and or disruption of other players game experience is frowned upon if not covered by the GM governance framework.
Spiteful goons are spiteful.
Hi.
In nullsec, we tend to take people's space, kill their titans, bubble their stations and staging towers. Their "game experience" is effectively disrupted as they are unable to evacuate assets which are forever trapped in a hostile station.
Doing the same in Jita by camping the undock with a pile of Tornadoes is not disruptive because nothing prevents you from shopping at a different market hub. |
Noxidc
Resilience.
Pandemic Legion
1
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:40:00 -
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LOL
i can see it now
**goonswarm wardec'd**
4 hostile af's kill 1800 goonswarm tornados
fail rage plan is terribly fail |
Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
60
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:42:00 -
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One baby screaming in a shopping mall is not much different to all the babies screaming in the a shopping mall.
Never would such a worthless solar system and worthless cluster of individuals ever endure a better partnership than this. Jita and Goons deserve each other, best friends forever, go to Jita, stay in Jita, never leave Jita.
I bet you get bored before we miss you. |
Grumpy Owly
440
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:42:00 -
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Oh dear, not a happy bunny.
Bounty Hunting for CSM7
It's just criminal - Smuggling |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
108
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:47:00 -
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Personally I cannot see what the Burn Jita stuff has to do with Mittani's behavior at the Fanfest or the consequences of that. Why do people fear CCP might attempt to stop it? Has CCP even hinted anything like that?
I do not think anyone (well, not many people anyway) thinks that the issue in the Mittanigate incident was the explosion of the mackinaws - it was in the way Mittani and goons responded to a mail from another player. CCP has by no means whatsoever hinted that they objected to the shooting the miner - only to how he spoken about and to.
I can see CCP taking a close look at what goes on at Jita local chat during this event/campaign (if it happens). Bans might ensue for immature behavior, and I would be fine with that. But why would they attempt to stop the explosions themselves? |
IsTheOpOver
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:03:00 -
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Lenrir Andven wrote:-Facepalm-
We had this planned the moment we hit 10k votes.
This interdiction was no 'knee-jerk' reaction to the Mittani being punished. Cripes.
Of course, but if you listen to the posts of other goons it's gonna be so much worse now!  |
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IsTheOpOver
89
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:09:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Oh dear, not a happy bunny.
He's like a Jedi-ghost now! |
Aethlyn
104
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:21:00 -
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Wouldn't expect any interference from CCP unless people start trying to block Jita by intentionally crashing its node.
Looking for more thoughts? Read my blog or follow me on Twitter. |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
73
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:27:00 -
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IsTheOpOver wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:-Facepalm-
We had this planned the moment we hit 10k votes.
This interdiction was no 'knee-jerk' reaction to the Mittani being punished. Cripes. Of course, but if you listen to the posts of other goons it's gonna be so much worse now!
Well it went from 'victory lap' in the form of Jita Interdiction to 'our attack against CONCORD' in the form of Jita Interdiction.
Different reasons for doing it, same outcome of the said reasons.
'Maybe' it might be a bit worse, but a majority of goons were already in anticipation of our impending assault on Hi-Sec.
I may be a goon, but I am a reasonable goon. To just brush off our interdiction on Jita is a bit 'off'. Banter is banter, but the results do not lie.
The Ice Interdiction was a good example of this. It doesn't matter what people think, the outcome was the price of ice increased heavily. Miners had to think 'outside the box' and plan alternate routes to reach the sacred Ice, or in some aspects, pay us 'protection' money to allow them to mine. This is a win for them because they had to think with more than a couple of brain cells to overcome this, leading to, no doubt, a somewhat good haul while the other close-minded miners continued to flounder.
We benefited because we weeded out the bad miners and the more clever-minded miners have learned to adapt,
I don't think the Jita Interdiction will have results too far from our Ice Interdiction, however, if this truly leads to new 'markets' opening up which is not Jita....well personally, I think that's a fantastic move for the game. It will bring the population to other territories, allowing people a better range which will undoubtedly help their wallets, instead of mind-numbing simple speculation at one 'major' market.
If that happens...well...I think people will appreciate it more than hate us for it. |
Ur235
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
22
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:31:00 -
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I would imagine they are plalning to throw a few hundred wardecs in aswell against corps and alliances around Jita they have the money for it
hmm |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
73
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:34:00 -
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Ur235 wrote:I would imagine they are plalning to throw a few hundred wardecs in aswell against corps and alliances around Jita they have the money for it
The total asset power of GSF is a secret even to us goonies. Only the high command and our wonderful intelligence services truly knows the extent of our isk power. |
JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
53
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:35:00 -
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About "Burn Jita" - it'll be amusing. But Jita isn't CCP's hub of choice - it was player made because it became the centre for T2 trade when T2 was introduced. CCP just reinforce the node there because of the traffic. The Goons plan will therefore fail - either because a new Hub will emerge, or trade will move to nearby systems temporarily and return to Jita once the Goons run out of steam, or need to return to protect vulnerable 0.0 space. They can't be in two places at once.
About Mitten's "State of the Goonion" - everyone needs to listen to it and imagine Alexander Gianturco drunkenly ridiculing it at Fanfest. Here's some class quotes - "They threw me under a bus"; "They threw me off a cliff"; "They nailed me a cross". Honestly, the State of the Goonion is as whiny as the whiniest of tear-mails. His personal reaction to what was inevitable is just too funny to miss. His ego has taken a huge hit. Do listen. |
Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front
The 99 Percent
491
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:37:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:I can see CCP taking a close look at what goes on at Jita local chat during this event/campaign (if it happens). Bans might ensue for immature behavior, and I would be fine with that. But why would they attempt to stop the explosions themselves?
The hypothesis that has to be tested is that CCP will step in to stop anything that creates enough of a public outcry and bad press - no matter the specifics.
Maybe the summer that saved EVE for the near term is going to be the catalyst of its demise in the mid/long-term - because we players learned that as long as we hit the right triggers (press, business partners, investors) CCP will give us whatever we want.
We can have 20% of CCP employees sacked if we want to, we can have important CCP projects like WiS and WoD put on ice indefinetely, we can have CSM members kicked and banned (*), it looks like we can change CCP's botting policies if we try hard enough (the "scarlet letter" thing would if implemented be the end of CCP's reform-oriented 3 strikes approach), maybe we can make high-sec safe, too?
I don't know how we, the players, will spin the Jita events - but there is a lot of frustration build up from the ice interdiction and a renewed sense of power after this mittani affair. If the Jita interdiction goes on successfully for more than a few days CCP has to expect a lot of heat from a large part of its playerbase and some clever guy will find a way to wrap the griefing into a press-friendly narrative.
(*) my understanding is that the mittani voluntarily stepped down from his chairman position but was forcefully removed from his CSM seat. |
DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
317
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:41:00 -
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God damn Mittenz is a narcissist. Nevermind, still love you gewnz, please don't cry.
*hugs*
Damn nature, you scary! |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
73
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:47:00 -
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JTK Fotheringham wrote:About "Burn Jita" - it'll be amusing. But Jita isn't CCP's hub of choice - it was player made because it became the centre for T2 trade when T2 was introduced. CCP just reinforce the node there because of the traffic. The Goons plan will therefore fail - either because a new Hub will emerge, or trade will move to nearby systems temporarily and return to Jita once the Goons run out of steam, or need to return to protect vulnerable 0.0 space. They can't be in two places at once.
About Mitten's "State of the Goonion" - everyone needs to listen to it and imagine Alexander Gianturco drunkenly ridiculing it at Fanfest. Here's some class quotes - "They threw me under a bus"; "They threw me off a cliff"; "They nailed me a cross". Honestly, the State of the Goonion is as whiny as the whiniest of tear-mails. His personal reaction to what was inevitable is just too funny to miss. His ego has taken a huge hit. Do listen.
Actually Jimmy Tomkins Kungen (I'm taking that's what JTK stands for.) IT will be our win if a new hub emerges. For too long the speculators, the Eve-styled Bankers, the traders have trudged their way in making marketing and trading a 'zombie' profession. With only one market, there was no need to play to the people's tastes in where they want their goods and for what price.
With a new hub, it will force these speculators, the Eve-styled Bankers and traders to finally wake up from their long period of 'zombie hibernation' and to realize they ACTUALLY need to do more than just click a few buttons and dump their cargo at Jita.
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Vila eNorvic
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:51:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Vila eNorvic wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:CCP overreacted in their decision to completely nullify 10000 player opinions. Nope - the candidate the 10000 players voted for did that of his own volition. Yup goons need to HTFU. Never new they would be such babies.
Bullies are always babies beneath their pathetic attempts to be hard. |
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Michael Turate
The Scope
Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:52:00 -
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While I've been reading this, I've been rubbing my roy, my roy has now got quite, quite large. |
J Kunjeh
385
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:58:00 -
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I too listened to the SotG last night and I found myself 100% in support of this new, evil plan. I'm no supporter of Mittens or his Goons, but I DO support Eve and CCP not being taken over by the PC police and their corporate brethren. If CCP goes soft because they're now playing in the big leagues with the likes of Sony, this game will (and should) die a horrible death. Oh, sure, it may have a beeellion "mainstream" subscribers by then, but it will have entirely lost its soul for those who have been here before it was cool to play Eve.
Don't sell out CCP!
"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)"
(The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |
JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
55
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:03:00 -
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Lenrir Andven wrote:
Actually Jimmy Tomkins Kungen (I'm taking that's what JTK stands for.) IT will be our win if a new hub emerges. For too long the speculators, the Eve-styled Bankers, the traders have trudged their way in making marketing and trading a 'zombie' profession. With only one market, there was no need to play to the people's tastes in where they want their goods and for what price.
With a new hub, it will force these speculators, the Eve-styled Bankers and traders to finally wake up from their long period of 'zombie hibernation' and to realize they ACTUALLY need to do more than just click a few buttons and dump their cargo at Jita.
I was actually thinking about William Shatner when I created this character... and a girl I liked when I was in uni... whatever that says about me I don't know.
Actually, I see your point about Jita breaking up. It may well do the game a huge favour. Like I'd said repeatedly in my posts this last few days, I'm not in any way bothered by the stuff Goons do in game - it's good, it drives things along, it creates the sort of good buzz the game needs.
My problem is the stupid stuff you guys keep posting on the forums, which is borderline at best.
That said, I'm starting to think defending Jita might be one heck of a good fight.  Hi Sec isn't all carebear you know. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
109
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:14:00 -
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Florestan Bronstein wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:I can see CCP taking a close look at what goes on at Jita local chat during this event/campaign (if it happens). Bans might ensue for immature behavior, and I would be fine with that. But why would they attempt to stop the explosions themselves? The hypothesis that has to be tested is that CCP will step in to stop anything that creates enough of a public outcry and bad press - no matter the specifics.
This might be true, but I do not see exploding a whole lotta ships in Jita causing bad press. Most people who would actually spaeak for EVE would say that it is part of the game. Hell, I threatened to quit if Mittani is not dealt with properly, and if people ganking other people in high-sec starts to cause a public outcry, I will be among the first out there to tell people to HTFU and the educating the media about what EVE really is like. (Wherein "really" will obviously be defined by me, but that's the best anyone can do, eh?)
The only realistic (and not very likely one) way the bad press scenario might become through is if Goons totally botch it and fill Jita local chat by stuff that counts as bullying and OOC threats/taunts, and if either the Jita playerbase totally botches petitioning them and/or CCP totally botches responding to those petitions.
But the exploding ships themselves - no, I cannot really see them being a problem. Pretty much anyone with any brains left agrees that that kind of stuff is part of EVE. Possibly not our favourite part, and not a part I will bother supporting (I never go to Jita anyway, it's a silly place) but still. ;)
Quote:Maybe the summer that saved EVE for the near term is going to be the catalyst of its demise in the mid/long-term - because we players learned that as long as we hit the right triggers (press, business partners, investors) CCP will give us whatever we want.
Upside is that if a bunch of idiots starts to hit the press with that express purpose, we can hit the press outing those bunch of idiots, and media will just love it. :P (CCP might not.) |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
109
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:17:00 -
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There's a related discussion here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=87788&find=unread about where to draw the line between "griefing" and "playing hard". |
Dar Saleem
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:17:00 -
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Lenrir Andven wrote:-Facepalm-
We had this planned the moment we hit 10k votes.
This interdiction was no 'knee-jerk' reaction to the Mittani being punished. Cripes.
So let me get this straight you had this planned out, but yoy have buy / make 1800 tornado's ?
I would sack you planner as he forgot something important |
Cylide Askald
Jelly Baby Corporation
Fidelas Constans
11
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:38:00 -
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Dbars Grinding wrote:i will go to quests in wow and cut myself .
Dude seriously? That's some pretty heavy stuff you want to do to yourself.
WoW is a really terrible game.
I'm running for CSM:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=836203&#post836203 |
Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.
Dawn of Transcendence
106
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:47:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:Will CCP act against the Burn Jita campaign on day 1? No.
Will CCP act against the prolonged campaign of Burn Jita? Probably.
Why would they? Because continued grieving and or disruption of other players game experience is frowned upon if not covered by the GM governance framework.
Spiteful goons are spiteful.
They won't need to. I doubt the ADD nature of goons will cause them to go at it for more than a month, like every other 'campaign' they waged. |
Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Ixion Defence Systems
Tactical Narcotics Team
3
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:04:00 -
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Arcathra wrote:Davor wrote:Arcathra wrote:Funny audiolog. So basically The Mittani is pissed because he was banned for 30 days and wants to destroy Jita as revenge? To "test the waters" if CCP interferes? I really want to see how that will work out... English is not your first language, or you're too young to be playing eve, because you didn't understand what was said at all. Oh, I totally understood what was said. But if you want to have a point, please, say where I am wrong? He said multiple times that he is mad because of the 30 day ban and that he feels that CCP isn't the CCP he is used to because of this ban. He wants to see Jita burn because he wants to see if CCP interferes to "test the waters" if CCP really changed.
Just an FYI.
He said that the Burn Jita project will go ahead as planned. The only thing that changed was the date.
That is a hint that the project was already on paper before the 30 day ban. |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
74
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:13:00 -
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JTK Fotheringham wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:
Actually Jimmy Tomkins Kungen (I'm taking that's what JTK stands for.) IT will be our win if a new hub emerges. For too long the speculators, the Eve-styled Bankers, the traders have trudged their way in making marketing and trading a 'zombie' profession. With only one market, there was no need to play to the people's tastes in where they want their goods and for what price.
With a new hub, it will force these speculators, the Eve-styled Bankers and traders to finally wake up from their long period of 'zombie hibernation' and to realize they ACTUALLY need to do more than just click a few buttons and dump their cargo at Jita.
I was actually thinking about William Shatner when I created this character... and a girl I liked when I was in uni... whatever that says about me I don't know. Actually, I see your point about Jita breaking up. It may well do the game a huge favour. Like I'd said repeatedly in my posts this last few days, I'm not in any way bothered by the stuff Goons do in game - it's good, it drives things along, it creates the sort of good buzz the game needs. My problem is the stupid stuff you guys keep posting on the forums, which is borderline at best. That said, I'm starting to think defending Jita might be one heck of a good fight. Hi Sec isn't all carebear you know.
I see we have reached to an agreement to a certain extent.
I am pleased you see the point in regards to Jita being broken up. It should definitely lead to a good 'splitting' of the market. After all, all you have to see is other game models to see the kind of infection a 'single market' can lead to (for those that have not played it, look up Ragnarok Online and take a look at the couple of SS in Prontera to understand what I mean about a 'single market'.)
Well, generally the 'stupid' stuff posted here by us is no different from the 'stupid' stuff being posted by a couple of other speculators, or non-goons if you wish to call them that. What they have been saying is also borderline, Darius III, RogueOperator and MeBiatch are three names in mind who, throughout this, are just as 'unreasonable' as some of our own flock.
With all that is said and do, I too wait in anticipation of a defense fleet in order to protect Jita from the 'Tyranny' which is goon, I am sure our incursion will lead to a glorious fight. |
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