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Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:58:00 -
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Ninyania alCladdyth wrote:Basileus Volkan wrote:If you truly believe the average inhabitant of Jita would be smart enough to move somewhere else you are overestimating people a lot.
The Ice Interdiction already proved that most people in highsec can not deal with sudden change to their "lifestyle" at all. Goons wouldn't have to *DO* anything other then hang around off the undock on Jita 4-4 - the 99% would turn around and re-enter the station as soon as they saw the thousands of flashing red icons. Goons could cripple the regions trade without firing a single shot.
Well, the citizens have one month...so maybe...just maybe...they might prepare a defense fleet? |
My Neutral Toon
Knights Who Til Recently Said Ni
49
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:00:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Largo Usagi wrote:If CCP takes action against the jita burn, I will be done with eve, it would be irrefutable proof that the sandbox is completely dead. No where in space should be 100% safe and the mechanics the way they are keep a good balance, ******* with that balance is just wrong and thats what would have to be done to stop this from happening. I think CCP will do whatever is needed to protect the game. While I am going to find halarity at every turn of this soap opera, I can't help but wonder why you kids think this will have a positive effect?
REally? You must have missed the events in Jita last year...
CCP let it happen all weekend. People were rioting, shooting stuff, ganking stuff... for 3 days.
...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious.... |
Basileus Volkan
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:00:00 -
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Hint: Mission fit Navy Ravens don't count as "defense fleet". |
My Neutral Toon
Knights Who Til Recently Said Ni
49
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:03:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Will CCP act against the Burn Jita campaign on day 1? No.
Will CCP act against the prolonged campaign of Burn Jita? Probably.
Why would they? Because continued grieving and or disruption of other players game experience is frowned upon if not covered by the GM governance framework.
Spiteful goons are spiteful. Ban all players involved in the 2009 PR- Hellcamp.
Ban all players involved in the 3-day 2011 Jita Riots
...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious.... |
Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
127
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:08:00 -
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Markus Reese wrote:
There is a very good point about whether ccp will allow, and promote burn jita, or push it down. Let us discuss it civily, since there isn't one like that.
I think CCP is probably as excited about the idea as I am. It's the kind of thing that EvE is all about. My bet, you'll find devs on both sides of the action...as regular players of course.
Although, CCP could interfere in ways that would be interesting. An anti-terrorist force; a sudden, convenient incursion... Nothing to actually stop the goons, but perhaps make it more than just suicide after suicide. A true war over the hub...
Like others have expressed though, if CCP tries to stop it...if they start banning goons and others that take part...I'll go play in the sun. I'll join my girlfriend in SWTOR or something. Write my own spaceship game... I'll be doing something other than playing and paying for EvE. |
Grumpy Owly
445
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:14:00 -
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CCP introduces their secret patch of a malevolent alien race concept to EvE.
Invasion starts in the northern provinces of null sec. 
Bounty Hunting for CSM7
It's just criminal - Smuggling |
My Neutral Toon
Knights Who Til Recently Said Ni
49
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:15:00 -
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regardless of your stance towards GSF, CFC or The Mittani
If you think burning Jita requires CCP intervention, or bans of some sort
YOU ARE WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS GAME
and if you can't figure out why.... take 2 weeks off, then quit.
...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious.... |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
110
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:20:00 -
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Marduk Nibiru wrote:Like others have expressed though, if CCP tries to stop it...
They won't.
What the goons're planning to do is entirely solvable via ordinary PvP without having to resort to exploits or anything. So long as it remains in-game and doesn't extend to harassment of players, then they won't need to.
Player actions in game against other players that don't hinge on exploits aren't a problem. Besides, Jita is just an accident of the way the market works, not some kind of Civil Right. Why the hell should the devs care if it's locked down by a thousand butthurt Goons for a while?
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Ocih
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
126
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:21:00 -
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Basileus Volkan wrote:Hint: Mission fit Navy Ravens don't count as "defense fleet".
Navy anything is a waste.
I will be honest, I don't know how long Concords Queue list is so my goal will be to get as many of you to lock me as I can if Concord cleans that many of you out after I die.
Hull tanked Baddons with no weapons groups but I can't be sure how many I can lose before I go broke. |
Grumpy Owly
445
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:23:00 -
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My Neutral Toon wrote:regardless of your stance towards GSF, CFC or The Mittani
If you think burning Jita requires CCP intervention, or bans of some sort
YOU ARE WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS GAME
and if you can't figure out why.... take 2 weeks off, then quit.
Oh I'm sorry I thought we were having fun then, didn't realise you had a serious point to make. 
Bounty Hunting for CSM7
It's just criminal - Smuggling |
Lakshata Chawla
Imperial Guardians
The Aurora Shadow
25
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:26:00 -
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I support burning jita, it would be great for everyone in the game except the carebears and AFK hauler bots. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
598
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:38:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:IsTheOpOver wrote:What I got from Alex's audio response was that he was perfectly fine with not being on CSM7, the 30 day ban, and the original blog post telling people what was done. What mad him "angry" was CCP calling him a bad person in the 2nd blog. From the blog: "Such behavior crosses the line of acceptable player conduct and breaks the Terms of Service. CCP finds this behavior morally reprehensible." It's one thing when pubbies call him and goonswarm scumbags, it's quite another when CCP does it apparently. Hence, Jita must burn. So...Mittens........ Mad?
He mad.
I think whats more telling here is that this makes his apology pretty much fake.
"Sure im sincere that what i did was wrong and bad, but how dear people actually call me out on my behavior. How dear a public business take a stance against cyber bullying that might lead to suicide, ill make them pay for that." - mittens the space pope wizard
Thats not sane.
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Farrisen
MoaR ChickeN
66
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:43:00 -
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I made myself listen to the whole thing, and uh, my head hurts.
Have fun in Jita
http://i.imgur.com/DWBuV.png
Originally by: CCP Spitfire: It's because of falcon. |
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
175
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:46:00 -
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Why the hell would CCP not support Jita Burn?
It's part of the game, and potentially one of the most exciting things to happen in EVE. CCP aren't stupid any more.
UI Iteration isn't enough, we need to start from scratch |
Lamperouge Kasenumi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:51:00 -
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I don't see any reason for CCP to interfere. They will just enjoy the show like the rest of us. This is what the sandbox is all about and you won't have people complaining about it like you had last summer. CCP might even use it for a publicity stunt. That's what I would do.
This CCP vs Goons thing only exist in the mind of the Goons. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
463
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:53:00 -
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Lakshata Chawla wrote:I support burning jita, it would be great for everyone in the game except the carebears and AFK hauler bots.
WHAT exactly does Jita have to do with carebears ???? You must know something I don't.
I have had no need to go there for over a year.
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM !
God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
-á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Lamperouge Kasenumi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.03.29 17:00:00 -
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Lyron-Baktos wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Will CCP act against the Burn Jita campaign on day 1? No.
Will CCP act against the prolonged campaign of Burn Jita? Probably.
Why would they? Because continued grieving and or disruption of other players game experience is frowned upon if not covered by the GM governance framework.
Spiteful goons are spiteful. This pretty much. They'll let Jita burn in the short term but if it continues with no end in sight and game play is disrupted for a lot of players, I can see them step in. I see another trade hub picking up the slack though
They won't step in, people will adapt, other hub will be created. Worst case scenario, Jita will become another page in the crazy history of Eve and CCP has absolutely no reason to stop that from happening. Actually, if Jita becomes a story of the past, it adds so much more credibility to the sandbox and to the whole "emerging universe" idea. Right now, the best thing for CCP is the success of the Goons plan, pretty interesting times indeed... |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae
ROMANIAN-LEGION
63
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Posted - 2012.03.29 17:02:00 -
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Ana Vyr wrote:What population can Jita sustain before the gates get locked?
1700 is the most I have seen. This is pre TiDi and they might have a limiter to prevent that from engaging since in my jita journeys, havent seen TiDi there. With the advanced notice, and a reinforced (is that possible?) Jita node, I am sure it could get much higher. It would be really great if new record populations were broken in this event. Headlines
"Pirates invade market capital!"
Turn that positive light to it and will perk up many non eve player ears. Also could get more people interested in large combat. |
Ninyania alCladdyth
McLuvin AstroDynamics
23
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Posted - 2012.03.29 17:21:00 -
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What a wonderful day for a (totally random... wink wink) high-sec incursion to happen... right in the middle of Jita.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
463
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Posted - 2012.03.29 17:43:00 -
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Markus Reese wrote:Ana Vyr wrote:What population can Jita sustain before the gates get locked? 1700 is the most I have seen. .
I recall a Dev on the Fanfest Stream saying the cap was 2200.
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM !
God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
-á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:01:00 -
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Largo Usagi wrote:If CCP takes action against the jita burn, I will be done with eve, it would be irrefutable proof that the sandbox is completely dead. No where in space should be 100% safe and the mechanics the way they are keep a good balance, ******* with that balance is just wrong and thats what would have to be done to stop this from happening.
why dotn you get da f out now, and give me your stuffzzffzzffzzz, ffzzzz,fffffazzzz.
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adam smash
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:05:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:I think CCP will do whatever is needed to protect the game.
While I am going to find halarity at every turn of this soap opera, I can't help but wonder why you kids think this will have a positive effect? CCP overreacted in their decision to completely nullify 10000 player opinions. Whether they want to step up that kneejerk response a second time remains to be seen. This has nothing to do with positive or negative. It has everything to do with whether or not the CSM is relevant and whether CCP is shifting toward PR/marketing friendly carebear land or not.
CCP gave you those votes and they can take them away
HTFU
As I been saying CCP should REMOVE the CSM then you all can cry about not even getting a vote. |
Apollo-Moor
xHELLonEARTHx
Rookie Empire
121
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:13:00 -
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Markus Reese wrote:Yo everybody, listened to Mittani's speech " State of the Goonian" Start of it is a bit, well cheezy. Mainly the part about being thrown under a bus. I am surprized he didn't expect it, but not what this is about. There is a very good point about whether ccp will allow, and promote burn jita, or push it down. Let us discuss it civily, since there isn't one like that. Alright, a general terrorist war on the main hub, general and we know it is coming. Personally, this would be a great thing for eve. I like the random, unexpected and stuff like this the most (even though I wouldn't particapate myself. WIth one month of warning, and the market people used to moving stuff, it won't crash down eve (except for the botters or what not) I think it will be awesome. It will be authentic grief. Just a call out to the goons however, Burn Jita. Will be awesome for Eve. Start following players or whatever to get repeated ganks, not so awesome for Eve.
His speech was lame.. I don't see where he is coming from.. He shouldn't be mad he ****** up and CCP decided not to defend his rather corny and childish actions..
For 30 years old he's acting like a real kid.. Not even admitting in full truth to what he did was wrong.. He' tries to act like that **** was random and that he was too drunk to know what he was doing..
******* bull **** Alexander.. You made a ******* presentation ahead of time.. You decided to drink.. So now you were drunk WHEN YOU PUT THE PRESENTATION TOGETHER AND WHEN YOU GAVE THE SPEECH NOW?
***** plz.. He got caught and got his punishment.. Deal with it! See you in 30-30... Hahhaa...
Guenie tears are like red kool-aid.. |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
82
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:16:00 -
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Apollo-Moor wrote:Markus Reese wrote:Yo everybody, listened to Mittani's speech " State of the Goonian" Start of it is a bit, well cheezy. Mainly the part about being thrown under a bus. I am surprized he didn't expect it, but not what this is about. There is a very good point about whether ccp will allow, and promote burn jita, or push it down. Let us discuss it civily, since there isn't one like that. Alright, a general terrorist war on the main hub, general and we know it is coming. Personally, this would be a great thing for eve. I like the random, unexpected and stuff like this the most (even though I wouldn't particapate myself. WIth one month of warning, and the market people used to moving stuff, it won't crash down eve (except for the botters or what not) I think it will be awesome. It will be authentic grief. Just a call out to the goons however, Burn Jita. Will be awesome for Eve. Start following players or whatever to get repeated ganks, not so awesome for Eve. His speech was lame.. I don't see where he is coming from.. He shouldn't be mad he ****** up and CCP decided not to defend his rather corny and childish actions.. For 30 years old he's acting like a real kid.. Not even admitting in full truth to what he did was wrong.. He' tries to act like that **** was random and that he was too drunk to know what he was doing.. ******* bull **** Alexander.. You made a ******* presentation ahead of time.. You decided to drink.. So now you were drunk WHEN YOU PUT THE PRESENTATION TOGETHER AND WHEN YOU GAVE THE SPEECH NOW? ***** plz.. He got caught and got his punishment.. Deal with it! See you in 30-30... Hahhaa... Guenie tears are like red kool-aid..
Poor spelling, need to swear to get point across and terrible grammar.
Yep, your view MUST be seriously considered... |
Andrea Griffin
211
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:29:00 -
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Lenrir Andven wrote:Apollo-Moor wrote:(terrible writing) Poor spelling, need to swear to get point across and terrible grammar. Yep, your view MUST be seriously considered... Holy crap. I'm agreeing with a Goon. 
Time to go check the temperature in hell...
CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
464
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:30:00 -
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Lenrir Andven wrote:Apollo-Moor wrote:Markus Reese wrote:Yo everybody, listened to Mittani's speech " State of the Goonian" Start of it is a bit, well cheezy. Mainly the part about being thrown under a bus. I am surprized he didn't expect it, but not what this is about. There is a very good point about whether ccp will allow, and promote burn jita, or push it down. Let us discuss it civily, since there isn't one like that. Alright, a general terrorist war on the main hub, general and we know it is coming. Personally, this would be a great thing for eve. I like the random, unexpected and stuff like this the most (even though I wouldn't particapate myself. WIth one month of warning, and the market people used to moving stuff, it won't crash down eve (except for the botters or what not) I think it will be awesome. It will be authentic grief. Just a call out to the goons however, Burn Jita. Will be awesome for Eve. Start following players or whatever to get repeated ganks, not so awesome for Eve. His speech was lame.. I don't see where he is coming from.. He shouldn't be mad he ****** up and CCP decided not to defend his rather corny and childish actions.. For 30 years old he's acting like a real kid.. Not even admitting in full truth to what he did was wrong.. He' tries to act like that **** was random and that he was too drunk to know what he was doing.. ******* bull **** Alexander.. You made a ******* presentation ahead of time.. You decided to drink.. So now you were drunk WHEN YOU PUT THE PRESENTATION TOGETHER AND WHEN YOU GAVE THE SPEECH NOW? ***** plz.. He got caught and got his punishment.. Deal with it! See you in 30-30... Hahhaa... Guenie tears are like red kool-aid.. Poor spelling, need to swear to get point across and terrible grammar. Yep, your view MUST be seriously considered...
The truth Hurts QQQQ.  Gimme MOARRRRR.
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM !
God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
-á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Apollo-Moor
xHELLonEARTHx
Rookie Empire
121
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:32:00 -
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Lenrir Andven wrote:Apollo-Moor wrote:Markus Reese wrote:Yo everybody, listened to Mittani's speech " State of the Goonian" Start of it is a bit, well cheezy. Mainly the part about being thrown under a bus. I am surprized he didn't expect it, but not what this is about. There is a very good point about whether ccp will allow, and promote burn jita, or push it down. Let us discuss it civily, since there isn't one like that. Alright, a general terrorist war on the main hub, general and we know it is coming. Personally, this would be a great thing for eve. I like the random, unexpected and stuff like this the most (even though I wouldn't particapate myself. WIth one month of warning, and the market people used to moving stuff, it won't crash down eve (except for the botters or what not) I think it will be awesome. It will be authentic grief. Just a call out to the goons however, Burn Jita. Will be awesome for Eve. Start following players or whatever to get repeated ganks, not so awesome for Eve. His speech was lame.. I don't see where he is coming from.. He shouldn't be mad he ****** up and CCP decided not to defend his rather corny and childish actions.. For 30 years old he's acting like a real kid.. Not even admitting in full truth to what he did was wrong.. He' tries to act like that **** was random and that he was too drunk to know what he was doing.. ******* bull **** Alexander.. You made a ******* presentation ahead of time.. You decided to drink.. So now you were drunk WHEN YOU PUT THE PRESENTATION TOGETHER AND WHEN YOU GAVE THE SPEECH NOW? ***** plz.. He got caught and got his punishment.. Deal with it! See you in 30-30... Hahhaa... Guenie tears are like red kool-aid.. Poor spelling, need to swear to get point across and terrible grammar. Yep, your view MUST be seriously considered...
Don't be mad guenie.. LoL..
My grammer is well enough for you guys to understand... I mean I thought you guys like all that umadnbro l337 speech ****..
Your in game emotions have been shattered.. |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae
ROMANIAN-LEGION
67
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:42:00 -
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Apollo-Moor wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:Apollo-Moor wrote:Markus Reese wrote:I said stuff asking opinions on the Jita Burn. Off topic.. Mmm... Troll Food... Troll still hungry..
/\ /\ /\ /\ /\
Hey, Mittani topics these ways.
\/ \/ \/ \/ \/
This thread is about whether you agree/disagree and any affects the planned siege of Jita might have. Positive/Negative and why you feel if applicable. So comment on that find another thread. |
OfBalance
Caldari State
319
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:51:00 -
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Assuming Mittens doesn't ride off into the sunset during the next thirty days, Jita will burn. But CCP will not intervene, nor will it even have to do so in the long run in GSF kept up their effort to disrupt trade there.
The traders, manufacturers, and all the rest of the EVE supply chain runners will deviate to safer ports of call if it appears to be more than a temporary flare of activity. Tertiary hubs will spring up, other main-line hubs will see increased business. Good and services will continue to be exchanged through the medium of isk.
That isn't to say there will be no impact. Prices on many goods are already going haywire from speculation and confirmed patch info. Prices will fluctuate much more between dispersed trade hubs.
Personally, I think it could be one of the best events to hit EVE since the original hulkageddon. I'm looking forward to it. |
Nu Tra
All Seeing Eye
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:58:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:IsTheOpOver wrote:What I got from Alex's audio response was that he was perfectly fine with not being on CSM7, the 30 day ban, and the original blog post telling people what was done. What mad him "angry" was CCP calling him a bad person in the 2nd blog. From the blog: "Such behavior crosses the line of acceptable player conduct and breaks the Terms of Service. CCP finds this behavior morally reprehensible." It's one thing when pubbies call him and goonswarm scumbags, it's quite another when CCP does it apparently. Hence, Jita must burn. So...Mittens........ Mad? He mad. I think whats more telling here is that this makes his apology pretty much fake. "Sure im sincere that what i did was wrong and bad, but how dear people actually call me out on my behavior. How dear a public business take a stance against cyber bullying that might lead to suicide, ill make them pay for that." - mittens the space pope wizard Thats not sane.
You're not making any sense. In fact you are beginning to come across as rather desperate.
The more you write the further away from your original premise you seem to be. Is your judgement clouded by some other factor that you are not openly declaring?
I have noticed that you have intimated in various other posts and threads that you wished CCP to take formal action against this player which to all intents and purposes they have. CCP is GOD of EVE and as such they decide what does or does not happen in circumstances/infractions such as the player The Mittani. At this point there is nothing else to be said on the matter. Whether the player in question is sincere or not is an irrelevance judgement has been meted out repentance, or other forms of public penance was not a condition of the punishment.
From my understanding the Goons had this action planned in relation to the voting figures therefore it was going to happen regardless of the further incident or not. It is precisely this understanding that leaves your comments on the subject incredulous in any premise. |
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