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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
51
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:43:00 -
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Yo everybody, listened to Mittani's speech "State of the Goonian"
Start of it is a bit, well cheezy. Mainly the part about being thrown under a bus. I am surprized he didn't expect it, but not what this is about.
There is a very good point about whether ccp will allow, and promote burn jita, or push it down. Let us discuss it civily, since there isn't one like that.
Alright, a general terrorist war on the main hub, general and we know it is coming. Personally, this would be a great thing for eve. I like the random, unexpected and stuff like this the most (even though I wouldn't particapate myself.
WIth one month of warning, and the market people used to moving stuff, it won't crash down eve (except for the botters or what not) I think it will be awesome. It will be authentic grief.
Just a call out to the goons however, Burn Jita. Will be awesome for Eve. Start following players or whatever to get repeated ganks, not so awesome for Eve. |

Largo Usagi
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:47:00 -
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If CCP takes action against the jita burn, I will be done with eve, it would be irrefutable proof that the sandbox is completely dead. No where in space should be 100% safe and the mechanics the way they are keep a good balance, ******* with that balance is just wrong and thats what would have to be done to stop this from happening. |

Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
409
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:49:00 -
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i will go to quests in wow and cut myself . I have more space likes than you.-á |

Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
27
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:49:00 -
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Largo Usagi wrote:If CCP takes action against the jita burn, I will be done with eve, it would be irrefutable proof that the sandbox is completely dead. No where in space should be 100% safe and the mechanics the way they are keep a good balance, ******* with that balance is just wrong and thats what would have to be done to stop this from happening.
I think CCP will do what they have to, too protect the game. While I am going to find halarity at every turn of this soap opera, I can't help but wonder why you kids think this will have a positive effect? Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |

Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1306
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:52:00 -
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Will CCP act against the Burn Jita campaign on day 1? No.
Will CCP act against the prolonged campaign of Burn Jita? Probably.
Why would they? Because continued grieving and or disruption of other players game experience is frowned upon if not covered by the GM governance framework.
Spiteful goons are spiteful. |

Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
150
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:54:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:I think CCP will do whatever is needed to protect the game. While I am going to find halarity at every turn of this soap opera, I can't help but wonder why you kids think this will have a positive effect? CCP overreacted in their decision to completely nullify 10000 player opinions. Whether they want to step up that kneejerk response a second time remains to be seen. This has nothing to do with positive or negative. It has everything to do with whether or not the CSM is relevant and whether CCP is shifting toward PR/marketing friendly carebear land or not. |

Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
19
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:55:00 -
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and while jita is burning goons and friends will lose all their space to our russian and japanese overlords. |

Liam Mirren
387
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:56:00 -
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I'm am supporting CCP by standing by their decision to remove the offender from the CSM, you all should do the same! Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |

Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:56:00 -
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This makes me really sad. 
I think I'll just off myse---
What, too early? |

Roime
Shiva Furnace
367
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:58:00 -
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While I think rank&file Goons were the biggest losers in this scandal, their shitposting armada was terrible and managed first to make them look like parroting wannabe cyber-tough guys, then immediately crying like babies, what happens in game in the limitations of EULA/TOS is not griefing or "disrupting game experience".
They can go camp Jita for years if they want to, and if CCP intervenes I will also ******* unsub.
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Judge Solace
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:04:00 -
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New obligatory bedtime reading for the CSM: 
http://www.iiasa.ac.at/Research/PIN/docs/pb06-web.pdf |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
130
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:09:00 -
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Liam Mirren wrote:I'm am supporting CCP by standing by their decision to remove the offender from the CSM, you all should do the same! Not empty quoting. |

Molic Blackbird
Orion Faction Industries Orion Consortium
33
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:10:00 -
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CCP will do nothing even if it is a prolonged operation. If the goons are successful in preventing people from moving items in and out of Jita, a new system will pop up to replace it. Just like all previous Goonswarm initiatives, Eve players adapt to it and move on. It doesn't bring the Eve economy down. |

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
91
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:11:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:Will CCP act against the Burn Jita campaign on day 1? No.
Will CCP act against the prolonged campaign of Burn Jita? Probably.
Why would they? Because continued grieving and or disruption of other players game experience is frowned upon if not covered by the GM governance framework.
Spiteful goons are spiteful.
Ban all players involved in the 2009 PR- Hellcamp. |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
130
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:12:00 -
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Goons up against an entity much larger ,more stupid and helluva more resilient than they are. This can indeed go many ways. |

Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
52
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:15:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:I think CCP will do whatever is needed to protect the game. While I am going to find halarity at every turn of this soap opera, I can't help but wonder why you kids think this will have a positive effect?
Good comment. Myself, as for positive, if done to a limited extent, it will be interesting press. From an out of game perspective depending on how it is posted around of course. From a personal opinion, eve sometimes suffers from being too static, the disruption in the markets will actually be beneficial to industry players in the form of increased prices once it is all done. It will get some stress relief for players, and for a final standpoint, there is one month for players to form up an anti goon coalition, war declarations and the like.
Quote:Ai Mei
Posted: 2012.03.29 05:55
and while jita is burning goons and friends will lose all their space to our russian and japanese overlords
This is one example. The burning of jita will be more difficult than people think. Hulk ganking works because of security status. The response time is slower from concord in the 0.5 and 0.6 spaces. Jita is 1.0, concord there almost instant if not already on grid. Any gank attack will only have one shot. There will be alot of fire, burning hot and bright, and a whole lot of wrecked ships. I have no doubt that it will be planned, and there will be firepower, but the quote above is quite the thing to consider.
The firepower to bring to burn jita will be alot more expensive than a few alts with thrashers in asteroid belts. It would mean battlecruisers and more manpower, for less damage output. Even with the massive goonwallet, the time they can spend is finite. Tier 3 ships, if they keep em going are going to be a few hundred mil an hour, provided they can stay fitted. Manpower will be limited as a mass outpouring will have people counter attacking. Good for eve, nullsec wars are good for everybody. Goons finish and lay waste in nullsec more. Their war declaration in their goonian speech shows. More ass kicking, less noob shooting.
The economy and the grief tactics are not supposition. I have said it in industry talks about ganking, but when I ran a corp for some indies a couple years ago, during hulkageddon was the best profit we had. We played smart however, and ran our ops based around that. Anti ice mining too. Drove the fuel prices high for a while, many lost isk, some were very dismays I am sorry to say. But afterwards, the market was so high others made more than they lost. Those that prepped against the gank that is and planned around it. |

Shaampoo
Epidemic. F0RCEFUL ENTRY
11
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:17:00 -
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Markus Reese wrote:Yo everybody, listened to Mittani's speech " State of the Goonian" Start of it is a bit, well cheezy. Mainly the part about being thrown under a bus. I am surprized he didn't expect it, but not what this is about. There is a very good point about whether ccp will allow, and promote burn jita, or push it down. Let us discuss it civily, since there isn't one like that. Alright, a general terrorist war on the main hub, general and we know it is coming. Personally, this would be a great thing for eve. I like the random, unexpected and stuff like this the most (even though I wouldn't particapate myself. WIth one month of warning, and the market people used to moving stuff, it won't crash down eve (except for the botters or what not) I think it will be awesome. It will be authentic grief. Just a call out to the goons however, Burn Jita. Will be awesome for Eve. Start following players or whatever to get repeated ganks, not so awesome for Eve. Jita burn at worse will be a few QQ posts and a new market hub properly Amaar or Paris
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Vila eNorvic
University of Caille Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:21:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote:CCP overreacted in their decision to completely nullify 10000 player opinions. Nope - the candidate the 10000 players voted for did that of his own volition. |

Ai Shun
481
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:24:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:Why would they? Because continued grieving and or disruption of other players game experience is frowned upon if not covered by the GM governance framework.
Oh no! Somebody shot somebody in EVE Online. Quick ... call the whaaambulance.
No really.
This is EVE Online. What the Goons are planning, with Jita being targeted, is exactly what makes this game what it is. It is a ballsy move from an Alliance that is out to punish CONCORD for what they believe is a transgression against their candidate in the Council of Stellar Management.
The wars and conflict and drama this is going to generate is exactly what fuels EVE Online and has done so from day one.
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
543
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:25:00 -
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Vila eNorvic wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:CCP overreacted in their decision to completely nullify 10000 player opinions. Nope - the candidate the 10000 players voted for did that of his own volition.
Yup goons need to HTFU.
Never new they would be such babies. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
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Tech3ZH
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:41:00 -
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@ Judge Solace - Your character has an awesome look to it and you are obviously exceptionally talented with the character creator.  |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
551
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:44:00 -
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Tech3ZH wrote:@ Judge Solace - Your character has an awesome look to it and you are obviously exceptionally talented with the character creator. 
Deja vu! Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |

Valryon
Insight Investments Independent Operators Consortium
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:45:00 -
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From what I understand the goons are mad not because of the CSM thing -- the goonswarm leader Mittani said he stepped down. What they're pissed about is after all that he was banned for 30 days. Which is pretty screwed up -- a game company banning someone for something they said out of game.
It's censorship and it's playing mommy. I'm not a goon or part of any major alliance but I'll be there getting a -10 status. |

Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
701
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:49:00 -
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I have no issues at all with the Burn Jita campaign. It will be one interesting day (month? more??) for sure and I look forward to it. Going to have Fraps at the ready and maybe even ninja on some kills myself.
I'm just really glad that this event of rage and frustration is staying in the game, where it should stay.
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IsTheOpOver
89
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:53:00 -
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JITA TO BURN APRIL 28th!!!!!
...also, this just in... Tornados to get a crippling nerf on April 27th ;)
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
134
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:55:00 -
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Tech3ZH wrote:@ Judge Solace - Your character has an awesome look to it and you are obviously exceptionally talented with the character creator.  :0 |

Heet Crusher
Drunk Chaos Unprovoked Aggression
8
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:59:00 -
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So seriously what are you Goons goign to do ????? More high sec ganking to noobs lol. Really is that all you got and can do ??? You guys talk like EVE is Goons. Like if you dont let me play they game will be gone. Such tards . |

Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
53
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:22:00 -
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Valryon wrote:From what I understand the goons are mad not because of the CSM thing -- the goonswarm leader Mittani said he stepped down. What they're pissed about is after all that he was banned for 30 days. Which is pretty screwed up -- a game company banning someone for something they said out of game.
It's censorship and it's playing mommy. I'm not a goon or part of any major alliance but I'll be there getting a -10 status.
Censorship is the wierd part. This was at least my main point of discussion in the forum. More specifically, the EULA applies to in game and in CCP out of game. Believe the EULA refers to eve websites. Now the stream was broadcast via CCP under the EveTV which is part of the eve website. Therefore in terms of enforcement, there is no different than had it been in game. The outside part that was different was it was reported by a player outside who it was addressed to and we know the rest. I am sure that PR did have a play into it. And understandably, some feel that since the other player involved seems not to find it as big of a deal, possibly a ban and a harsh warning was needed, so there is some people upset.
The other side to account for is in the end, CCP is a business. As pretty much everybody on this forum knows, most people who post take alot stronger opinions than those that dont. In the end, those people also pay subs, and they run the eve industries that do that wonderful veldspar mining to get all the trit to build ships. I don't know how the decision to speculate on the difficulty of the decision of the ban. Myself, I feel it was necessary, at the very least for a PR. Personally I felt that 30 days would have been right before the announcement. In scale, he will be back before my current skill is done training. I hope that Mittani understands and accepts it wasn't throwing him under a bus. Really, it might have been the bare minimum they could do. If it was a choice for myself personally between thrown under a bus or even one person at ccp having to be dismissed. I would have jumped under that bus myself for even twice as long.
But back to internet spaceships, he will be back, things will explode and Inferno will start with... an Inferno! Awesome? |

Alaere Rin
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:30:00 -
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Markus Reese wrote:... But back to internet spaceships, he will be back, things will explode and Inferno will start with... an Inferno! Awesome? And I'll be watching with a whole load of popcorn. |

Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
219
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:30:00 -
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Funny audiolog.
So basically The Mittani is pissed because he was banned for 30 days and wants to destroy Jita as revenge? To "test the waters" if CCP interferes? I really want to see how that will work out...  |
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Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
209
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:34:00 -
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This (the burn Jita) is what I like Goons for, they shake things up, hopefully it's not a disappointment, bad enough we have to wait a month for it to happen. |

Davor
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:35:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:Will CCP act against the Burn Jita campaign on day 1? No.
Will CCP act against the prolonged campaign of Burn Jita? Probably.
Why would they? Because continued grieving and or disruption of other players game experience is frowned upon if not covered by the GM governance framework.
What game are you playing, holy crap. |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
145
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:36:00 -
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Arcathra wrote:Funny audiolog. So basically The Mittani is pissed because he was banned for 30 days and wants to destroy Jita as revenge? To "test the waters" if CCP interferes? I really want to see how that will work out...  Stealth concord buff... Jus sayinnnnn.... |

Davor
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:36:00 -
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Arcathra wrote:Funny audiolog. So basically The Mittani is pissed because he was banned for 30 days and wants to destroy Jita as revenge? To "test the waters" if CCP interferes? I really want to see how that will work out... 
English is not your first language, or you're too young to be playing eve, because you didn't understand what was said at all. |

Davor
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:37:00 -
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I know, maybe ccp should give all you pubs some t2 bpos. Is that enough hand holding for you? |

Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
53
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:40:00 -
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Davor wrote:I know, maybe ccp should give all you pubs some t2 bpos. Is that enough hand holding for you?
Funny you should mention it, this T2 Avatar has some very interesting bonuses. +10% warp vibration per level.
I am sure you guys can finish it off  |

Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
219
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:50:00 -
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Davor wrote:Arcathra wrote:Funny audiolog. So basically The Mittani is pissed because he was banned for 30 days and wants to destroy Jita as revenge? To "test the waters" if CCP interferes? I really want to see how that will work out...  English is not your first language, or you're too young to be playing eve, because you didn't understand what was said at all. Oh, I totally understood what was said. But if you want to have a point, please, say where I am wrong?
He said multiple times that he is mad because of the 30 day ban and that he feels that CCP isn't the CCP he is used to because of this ban. He wants to see Jita burn because he wants to see if CCP interferes to "test the waters" if CCP really changed. |

ivar R'dhak
STK Scientific
21
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:53:00 -
[38] - Quote
Hopefully this will make CCP take a long hard look at their Concord mechanics.
Other than that, my salvagers will be running hot. 
Oh BTW, does anybody know how many Trashers it takes to one-shot a Tornado?  |

Dante Chusuk
Sicarius. When Hippos Attack
2
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:56:00 -
[39] - Quote
I always said that the trade hub should move back to Yulai ... maybe CONCORD will finally rebuild that station the Elder Fleet screwed over?  |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
145
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:58:00 -
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M gonna recruit all those Japanese players and make em go kamikaze on Jita.
INGAME |
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Davor
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:01:00 -
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Arcathra wrote:Davor wrote:Arcathra wrote:Funny audiolog. So basically The Mittani is pissed because he was banned for 30 days and wants to destroy Jita as revenge? To "test the waters" if CCP interferes? I really want to see how that will work out...  English is not your first language, or you're too young to be playing eve, because you didn't understand what was said at all. Oh, I totally understood what was said. But if you want to have a point, please, say where I am wrong? He said multiple times that he is mad because of the 30 day ban and that he feels that CCP isn't the CCP he is used to because of this ban. He wants to see Jita burn because he wants to see if CCP interferes to "test the waters" if CCP really changed.
He's pissed because ccp is kowtowing to either morons or sony (there's a joke there, mlmp) and felt they had to punish him more than he had himself after something he said out of game (I'm sorry, but you do not live under the EULA's jurisdiction outside of the silly game). If CCP might be turning this game into care bears in space just so it can sell more dust copies, we'd like to know. Horrible things are always said at fanfest, and have never before been punished, so something's different. |

Davor
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:01:00 -
[42] - Quote
Beep beep i'm a truck. |

Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
53
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:07:00 -
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ivar R'dhak wrote:Hopefully this will make CCP take a long hard look at their Concord mechanics. Other than that, my salvagers will be running hot.  Oh BTW, does anybody know how many Thrashers it takes to one-shoot a Tornado? 
Just one, they will all be fail gank fit! |

The Mittardi
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:08:00 -
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I want Jita to burn like my herpes Dear Goons: I will sell you this character for 50B ISK. EVE mail me if interested. |

Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
32
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:15:00 -
[45] - Quote
Quote:Ai Mei
This is one example. The burning of jita will be more difficult than people think. Hulk ganking works because of security status. The response time is slower from concord in the 0.5 and 0.6 spaces. Jita is 1.0, concord there almost instant if not already on grid. Any gank attack will only have one shot. There will be alot of fire, burning hot and bright, and a whole lot of wrecked ships. I have no doubt that it will be planned, and there will be firepower, but the quote above is quite the thing to consider.
The firepower to bring to burn jita will be alot more expensive than a few alts with thrashers in asteroid belts. It would mean battlecruisers and more manpower, for less damage output. Even with the massive goonwallet, the time they can spend is finite. Tier 3 ships, if they keep em going are going to be a few hundred mil an hour, provided they can stay fitted. Manpower will be limited as a mass outpouring will have people counter attacking. Good for eve, nullsec wars are good for everybody. Goons finish and lay waste in nullsec more. Their war declaration in their goonian speech shows. More ass kicking, less noob shooting.
I am wondering if this Burn Jita thing is just some ruse by goons to make ISK, and it will not happen. As you pointed out, Tornado's will get popped in 1.0 space VERY fast.
I listened to their leader's latest audio file. He called for 1800 Tornado's.
Assume these these Tornado's get off 2 shots each in 1.0 space, that still means 9-10 gank ships per freighter. So that means 1800 Tornado's have the ability to take out 180-200 freighters? And how many freighters pass in and out of Jita in a day?
Now, I think the mere threat of this happening will so drastically limit Jita traffic that those 1800 ships could last significantly longer.
At that point other hubs pop up. Further, these jokers will have to sell their products somewhere eventually. Their own members also use Jita to finance their goon chars. Plus, as others stated, while they burn Jita who is protecting their turf.
As it stands, goons are 8000 strong, and their test buddies another 6000. That is 14000 chars, plus likely another equal number of alts. So now we are talking 28,000 chars that could siege Jita. So how does 1800 Tier 3 BC's work there? Maybe another 50,000 Catalysts?
The more I think about this, the more I feel it will be a 1-2 day gank, if it happens at all. It will be a great opportunity to make a ton of ISK as people panic and either sell like crazy or buy like crazy prior to the 28th. I am not smart enough to figure which it will go, but rest assured, some people will get very rich off of this.
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Prince Kobol
439
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:21:00 -
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My god how many times does it have to be said.
The EULA/TOS gives CCP the right to do what they want, when they want and how they want.
The can ban anybody they want for what ever reason they want.
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Lord Fargo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:29:00 -
[47] - Quote
Gonna get your freighters and hulks |

GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
35
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:32:00 -
[48] - Quote
All of my isk is going to Thrashers and Tornadoes. Going to be one hell of a party. (Reserving 50+ thrashers for podmail superstar purposes, more delicious tears.)
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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
54
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:32:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:I am wondering if this Burn Jita thing is just some ruse by goons to make ISK, and it will not happen. As you pointed out, Tornado's will get popped in 1.0 space VERY fast.
I listened to their leader's latest audio file. He called for 1800 Tornado's.
Assume these these Tornado's get off 2 shots each in 1.0 space, that still means 9-10 gank ships per freighter. So that means 1800 Tornado's have the ability to take out 180-200 freighters? And how many freighters pass in and out of Jita in a day?
Now, I think the mere threat of this happening will so drastically limit Jita traffic that those 1800 ships could last significantly longer.
At that point other hubs pop up. Further, these jokers will have to sell their products somewhere eventually. Their own members also use Jita to finance their goon chars. Plus, as others stated, while they burn Jita who is protecting their turf.
As it stands, goons are 8000 strong, and their test buddies another 6000. That is 14000 chars, plus likely another equal number of alts. So now we are talking 28,000 chars that could siege Jita. So how does 1800 Tier 3 BC's work there? Maybe another 50,000 Catalysts?
The more I think about this, the more I feel it will be a 1-2 day gank, if it happens at all. It will be a great opportunity to make a ton of ISK as people panic and either sell like crazy or buy like crazy prior to the 28th. I am not smart enough to figure which it will go, but rest assured, some people will get very rich off of this.
Oh heck yeah, imagine the L artillery market will be insane.
The more I think about it, the more I cannot get the image of how crazy it will be, I honestly cannot wait. I will almost guarantee it won't be a hauler gankfest, but a smartbomb, maxed TiDi bloodbath free for all.
Everybody will be gathered there, just staring, and sitting on the undock. Might actually not see any moving going on. Mittani will log in, hopefully say some one liner.
"Fire"
And everybody will just start shooting everybody. |

Luh Windan
S T R A T C O M Persona Non Gratis
61
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:36:00 -
[50] - Quote
Vince Snetterton wrote:
Assume these these Tornado's get off 2 shots each in 1.0 space, that still means 9-10 gank ships per freighter. So that means 1800 Tornado's have the ability to take out 180-200 freighters? And how many freighters pass in and out of Jita in a day?
Now, I think the mere threat of this happening will so drastically limit Jita traffic that those 1800 ships could last significantly longer.
At that point other hubs pop up. Further, these jokers will have to sell their products somewhere eventually. Their own members also use Jita to finance their goon chars. Plus, as others stated, while they burn Jita who is protecting their turf.
As it stands, goons are 8000 strong, and their test buddies another 6000. That is 14000 chars, plus likely another equal number of alts. So now we are talking 28,000 chars that could siege Jita. So how does 1800 Tier 3 BC's work there? Maybe another 50,000 Catalysts?
The more I think about this, the more I feel it will be a 1-2 day gank, if it happens at all. It will be a great opportunity to make a ton of ISK as people panic and either sell like crazy or buy like crazy prior to the 28th. I am not smart enough to figure which it will go, but rest assured, some people will get very rich off of this.
(glad conversation is bringing to return instead of all the posturing and idiocy)
I think that 9-10 tornados might be a little low for Jita. Lets go with something a little higher - say 15.
So 1800 tornados then is 120 ganks per day (freighters - but surely you would want to have a go at those lovely shiny faction fit missions ships too so you might be able to get more for tornados)
so assuming a Tornado is 65mil (I bought one yesterday and I think it was something like that) then 1800 would be 117bil
I'm not sure what the goons wallet is like but you've got to imagine that 1 trillion is something they would feel happy spending on this at the very least
1 trillion divided by 117 billion is 8.5 (asking wolfram alpha where you can just type that in in words! )
so if you have the man power you could easily keep this up for a week for 1 trillion isk - especially since fear would work in your favour and you would need to gank less ships per day as the traffic dropped
Currently hoping that the goons are actually motivated and organised enough to pull this off because it will be really interesting to see what happens.
(for the record - Mittani did wrong , he's done now what the thinks is right , I have no idea what all the posturing on the forums is meant to achieve and will be quite glad when it is all gone. My interest in the Jita burn is not political but simply because the scientist in me is really interested in what happened when you poke the system in this way)
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Morphisat
Millard Innovation Inc
9
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:38:00 -
[51] - Quote
Those 1800 tornados will last about an hour or two in jita, after that it's back to business. |

knobber Jobbler
132
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:38:00 -
[52] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote:All of my isk is going to Thrashers and Tornadoes. Going to be one hell of a party. (Reserving 50+ thrashers for podmail superstar purposes, more delicious tears.)
Disco domis on the Jita undock!
Let face it, Jita isn't enough....there are 4 other major trade hubs... |

Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
54
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:51:00 -
[53] - Quote
Nah, jita undock influence is too big. Smartbombs cannot be activated within 5km of a structure. Or at least used to be, I tried... |

J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
268
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:53:00 -
[54] - Quote
Aiden Andraste wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:I think CCP will do whatever is needed to protect the game. While I am going to find halarity at every turn of this soap opera, I can't help but wonder why you kids think this will have a positive effect? CCP overreacted in their decision to completely nullify 10000 player opinions. Whether they want to step up that kneejerk response a second time remains to be seen. This has nothing to do with positive or negative. It has everything to do with whether or not the CSM is relevant and whether CCP is shifting toward PR/marketing friendly carebear land or not.
No. All CCP did was act in an appropriate way when a person no matter how many votes he had stepped over the line and called for the harassment of a suicidally minded player till he killed himself. It's the Mittani's fault, and while he accepted responsibility and apologized, that doesn't mean CCP should take no action. To the whiners :-áCCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" CCP Recurve "However, Incursions are not the biggest ISK faucet, bounties are"
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IsTheOpOver
89
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:00:00 -
[55] - Quote
What I got from Alex's audio response was that he was perfectly fine with not being on CSM7, the 30 day ban, and the original blog post telling people what was done.
What mad him "angry" was CCP calling him a bad person in the 2nd blog. From the blog:
"Such behavior crosses the line of acceptable player conduct and breaks the Terms of Service. CCP finds this behavior morally reprehensible."
It's one thing when pubbies call him and goonswarm scumbags, it's quite another when CCP does it apparently.
Hence, Jita must burn.
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Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
272
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:04:00 -
[56] - Quote
Davor wrote:I know, maybe ccp should give all you pubs some t2 bpos. Is that enough hand holding for you?
I detect increasing levels of mad in this one. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
571
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:05:00 -
[57] - Quote
The joke is we are all looking forward to the jita interdiction more then the goons are. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |

Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
272
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:08:00 -
[58] - Quote
IsTheOpOver wrote:What I got from Alex's audio response was that he was perfectly fine with not being on CSM7, the 30 day ban, and the original blog post telling people what was done. What mad him "angry" was CCP calling him a bad person in the 2nd blog. From the blog: "Such behavior crosses the line of acceptable player conduct and breaks the Terms of Service. CCP finds this behavior morally reprehensible." It's one thing when pubbies call him and goonswarm scumbags, it's quite another when CCP does it apparently. Hence, Jita must burn.
Well, shame it's just taken CCP for The Mittani and all the other Goons to listen but there you go. |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
152
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:08:00 -
[59] - Quote
WTB ring side SS Jita 4-4 |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
152
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:10:00 -
[60] - Quote
IsTheOpOver wrote:What I got from Alex's audio response was that he was perfectly fine with not being on CSM7, the 30 day ban, and the original blog post telling people what was done. What mad him "angry" was CCP calling him a bad person in the 2nd blog. From the blog: "Such behavior crosses the line of acceptable player conduct and breaks the Terms of Service. CCP finds this behavior morally reprehensible." It's one thing when pubbies call him and goonswarm scumbags, it's quite another when CCP does it apparently. Hence, Jita must burn. So...Mittens........ Mad? |
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Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
72
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:17:00 -
[61] - Quote
-Facepalm-
We had this planned the moment we hit 10k votes.
This interdiction was no 'knee-jerk' reaction to the Mittani being punished. Cripes. |

GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
35
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:22:00 -
[62] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:-Facepalm-
We had this planned the moment we hit 10k votes.
This interdiction was no 'knee-jerk' reaction to the Mittani being punished. Cripes.
This. Also I'm so goddamn excited for the razing right now. It will be incredible. |

Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:28:00 -
[63] - Quote
IsTheOpOver wrote:JITA TO BURN APRIL 28th!!!!!
...also, this just in... Tornados to get a crippling nerf on April 27th ;)
My birthday, what an unexpected but pleasing present
This is what makes Eve great. Ingame drama. |

Testerxnot Sheepherder
DeadHeads - Question Authority Crew
6
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:29:00 -
[64] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote:
This. Also I'm so goddamn excited for the razing right now. It will be incredible.
CAN'T RAZE **** CAPTAIN |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
96
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:35:00 -
[65] - Quote
Asuka Solo wrote:Will CCP act against the Burn Jita campaign on day 1? No.
Will CCP act against the prolonged campaign of Burn Jita? Probably.
Why would they? Because continued grieving and or disruption of other players game experience is frowned upon if not covered by the GM governance framework.
Spiteful goons are spiteful.
Hi.
In nullsec, we tend to take people's space, kill their titans, bubble their stations and staging towers. Their "game experience" is effectively disrupted as they are unable to evacuate assets which are forever trapped in a hostile station.
Doing the same in Jita by camping the undock with a pile of Tornadoes is not disruptive because nothing prevents you from shopping at a different market hub. |

Noxidc
Resilience. Pandemic Legion
1
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:40:00 -
[66] - Quote
LOL
i can see it now
**goonswarm wardec'd**
4 hostile af's kill 1800 goonswarm tornados
fail rage plan is terribly fail |

Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
60
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:42:00 -
[67] - Quote
One baby screaming in a shopping mall is not much different to all the babies screaming in the a shopping mall.
Never would such a worthless solar system and worthless cluster of individuals ever endure a better partnership than this. Jita and Goons deserve each other, best friends forever, go to Jita, stay in Jita, never leave Jita.
I bet you get bored before we miss you. |

Grumpy Owly
440
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:42:00 -
[68] - Quote
Oh dear, not a happy bunny. Bounty Hunting for CSM7
It's just criminal - Smuggling |

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
108
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:47:00 -
[69] - Quote
Personally I cannot see what the Burn Jita stuff has to do with Mittani's behavior at the Fanfest or the consequences of that. Why do people fear CCP might attempt to stop it? Has CCP even hinted anything like that?
I do not think anyone (well, not many people anyway) thinks that the issue in the Mittanigate incident was the explosion of the mackinaws - it was in the way Mittani and goons responded to a mail from another player. CCP has by no means whatsoever hinted that they objected to the shooting the miner - only to how he spoken about and to.
I can see CCP taking a close look at what goes on at Jita local chat during this event/campaign (if it happens). Bans might ensue for immature behavior, and I would be fine with that. But why would they attempt to stop the explosions themselves? |

IsTheOpOver
89
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:03:00 -
[70] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:-Facepalm-
We had this planned the moment we hit 10k votes.
This interdiction was no 'knee-jerk' reaction to the Mittani being punished. Cripes.
Of course, but if you listen to the posts of other goons it's gonna be so much worse now!  |
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IsTheOpOver
89
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:09:00 -
[71] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:Oh dear, not a happy bunny.
He's like a Jedi-ghost now! |

Aethlyn
104
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:21:00 -
[72] - Quote
Wouldn't expect any interference from CCP unless people start trying to block Jita by intentionally crashing its node. Looking for more thoughts? Read my blog or follow me on Twitter. |

Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
73
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:27:00 -
[73] - Quote
IsTheOpOver wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:-Facepalm-
We had this planned the moment we hit 10k votes.
This interdiction was no 'knee-jerk' reaction to the Mittani being punished. Cripes. Of course, but if you listen to the posts of other goons it's gonna be so much worse now! 
Well it went from 'victory lap' in the form of Jita Interdiction to 'our attack against CONCORD' in the form of Jita Interdiction.
Different reasons for doing it, same outcome of the said reasons.
'Maybe' it might be a bit worse, but a majority of goons were already in anticipation of our impending assault on Hi-Sec.
I may be a goon, but I am a reasonable goon. To just brush off our interdiction on Jita is a bit 'off'. Banter is banter, but the results do not lie.
The Ice Interdiction was a good example of this. It doesn't matter what people think, the outcome was the price of ice increased heavily. Miners had to think 'outside the box' and plan alternate routes to reach the sacred Ice, or in some aspects, pay us 'protection' money to allow them to mine. This is a win for them because they had to think with more than a couple of brain cells to overcome this, leading to, no doubt, a somewhat good haul while the other close-minded miners continued to flounder.
We benefited because we weeded out the bad miners and the more clever-minded miners have learned to adapt,
I don't think the Jita Interdiction will have results too far from our Ice Interdiction, however, if this truly leads to new 'markets' opening up which is not Jita....well personally, I think that's a fantastic move for the game. It will bring the population to other territories, allowing people a better range which will undoubtedly help their wallets, instead of mind-numbing simple speculation at one 'major' market.
If that happens...well...I think people will appreciate it more than hate us for it. |

Ur235
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
22
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:31:00 -
[74] - Quote
I would imagine they are plalning to throw a few hundred wardecs in aswell against corps and alliances around Jita they have the money for it hmm |

Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
73
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:34:00 -
[75] - Quote
Ur235 wrote:I would imagine they are plalning to throw a few hundred wardecs in aswell against corps and alliances around Jita they have the money for it
The total asset power of GSF is a secret even to us goonies. Only the high command and our wonderful intelligence services truly knows the extent of our isk power. |

JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
53
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:35:00 -
[76] - Quote
About "Burn Jita" - it'll be amusing. But Jita isn't CCP's hub of choice - it was player made because it became the centre for T2 trade when T2 was introduced. CCP just reinforce the node there because of the traffic. The Goons plan will therefore fail - either because a new Hub will emerge, or trade will move to nearby systems temporarily and return to Jita once the Goons run out of steam, or need to return to protect vulnerable 0.0 space. They can't be in two places at once.
About Mitten's "State of the Goonion" - everyone needs to listen to it and imagine Alexander Gianturco drunkenly ridiculing it at Fanfest. Here's some class quotes - "They threw me under a bus"; "They threw me off a cliff"; "They nailed me a cross". Honestly, the State of the Goonion is as whiny as the whiniest of tear-mails. His personal reaction to what was inevitable is just too funny to miss. His ego has taken a huge hit. Do listen. |

Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
491
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:37:00 -
[77] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:I can see CCP taking a close look at what goes on at Jita local chat during this event/campaign (if it happens). Bans might ensue for immature behavior, and I would be fine with that. But why would they attempt to stop the explosions themselves? The hypothesis that has to be tested is that CCP will step in to stop anything that creates enough of a public outcry and bad press - no matter the specifics.
Maybe the summer that saved EVE for the near term is going to be the catalyst of its demise in the mid/long-term - because we players learned that as long as we hit the right triggers (press, business partners, investors) CCP will give us whatever we want.
We can have 20% of CCP employees sacked if we want to, we can have important CCP projects like WiS and WoD put on ice indefinetely, we can have CSM members kicked and banned (*), it looks like we can change CCP's botting policies if we try hard enough (the "scarlet letter" thing would if implemented be the end of CCP's reform-oriented 3 strikes approach), maybe we can make high-sec safe, too?
I don't know how we, the players, will spin the Jita events - but there is a lot of frustration build up from the ice interdiction and a renewed sense of power after this mittani affair. If the Jita interdiction goes on successfully for more than a few days CCP has to expect a lot of heat from a large part of its playerbase and some clever guy will find a way to wrap the griefing into a press-friendly narrative.
(*) my understanding is that the mittani voluntarily stepped down from his chairman position but was forcefully removed from his CSM seat. |

DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
317
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:41:00 -
[78] - Quote
God damn Mittenz is a narcissist. Nevermind, still love you gewnz, please don't cry. *hugs* Damn nature, you scary! |

Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
73
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:47:00 -
[79] - Quote
JTK Fotheringham wrote:About "Burn Jita" - it'll be amusing. But Jita isn't CCP's hub of choice - it was player made because it became the centre for T2 trade when T2 was introduced. CCP just reinforce the node there because of the traffic. The Goons plan will therefore fail - either because a new Hub will emerge, or trade will move to nearby systems temporarily and return to Jita once the Goons run out of steam, or need to return to protect vulnerable 0.0 space. They can't be in two places at once.
About Mitten's "State of the Goonion" - everyone needs to listen to it and imagine Alexander Gianturco drunkenly ridiculing it at Fanfest. Here's some class quotes - "They threw me under a bus"; "They threw me off a cliff"; "They nailed me a cross". Honestly, the State of the Goonion is as whiny as the whiniest of tear-mails. His personal reaction to what was inevitable is just too funny to miss. His ego has taken a huge hit. Do listen.
Actually Jimmy Tomkins Kungen (I'm taking that's what JTK stands for.) IT will be our win if a new hub emerges. For too long the speculators, the Eve-styled Bankers, the traders have trudged their way in making marketing and trading a 'zombie' profession. With only one market, there was no need to play to the people's tastes in where they want their goods and for what price.
With a new hub, it will force these speculators, the Eve-styled Bankers and traders to finally wake up from their long period of 'zombie hibernation' and to realize they ACTUALLY need to do more than just click a few buttons and dump their cargo at Jita.
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Vila eNorvic
University of Caille Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:51:00 -
[80] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Vila eNorvic wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:CCP overreacted in their decision to completely nullify 10000 player opinions. Nope - the candidate the 10000 players voted for did that of his own volition. Yup goons need to HTFU. Never new they would be such babies. Bullies are always babies beneath their pathetic attempts to be hard. |
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Michael Turate
The Scope Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:52:00 -
[81] - Quote
While I've been reading this, I've been rubbing my roy, my roy has now got quite, quite large. |

J Kunjeh
385
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:58:00 -
[82] - Quote
I too listened to the SotG last night and I found myself 100% in support of this new, evil plan. I'm no supporter of Mittens or his Goons, but I DO support Eve and CCP not being taken over by the PC police and their corporate brethren. If CCP goes soft because they're now playing in the big leagues with the likes of Sony, this game will (and should) die a horrible death. Oh, sure, it may have a beeellion "mainstream" subscribers by then, but it will have entirely lost its soul for those who have been here before it was cool to play Eve.
Don't sell out CCP! "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |

JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
55
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:03:00 -
[83] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:
Actually Jimmy Tomkins Kungen (I'm taking that's what JTK stands for.) IT will be our win if a new hub emerges. For too long the speculators, the Eve-styled Bankers, the traders have trudged their way in making marketing and trading a 'zombie' profession. With only one market, there was no need to play to the people's tastes in where they want their goods and for what price.
With a new hub, it will force these speculators, the Eve-styled Bankers and traders to finally wake up from their long period of 'zombie hibernation' and to realize they ACTUALLY need to do more than just click a few buttons and dump their cargo at Jita.
I was actually thinking about William Shatner when I created this character... and a girl I liked when I was in uni... whatever that says about me I don't know.
Actually, I see your point about Jita breaking up. It may well do the game a huge favour. Like I'd said repeatedly in my posts this last few days, I'm not in any way bothered by the stuff Goons do in game - it's good, it drives things along, it creates the sort of good buzz the game needs.
My problem is the stupid stuff you guys keep posting on the forums, which is borderline at best.
That said, I'm starting to think defending Jita might be one heck of a good fight. Hi Sec isn't all carebear you know. |

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
109
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:14:00 -
[84] - Quote
Florestan Bronstein wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:I can see CCP taking a close look at what goes on at Jita local chat during this event/campaign (if it happens). Bans might ensue for immature behavior, and I would be fine with that. But why would they attempt to stop the explosions themselves? The hypothesis that has to be tested is that CCP will step in to stop anything that creates enough of a public outcry and bad press - no matter the specifics. This might be true, but I do not see exploding a whole lotta ships in Jita causing bad press. Most people who would actually spaeak for EVE would say that it is part of the game. Hell, I threatened to quit if Mittani is not dealt with properly, and if people ganking other people in high-sec starts to cause a public outcry, I will be among the first out there to tell people to HTFU and the educating the media about what EVE really is like. (Wherein "really" will obviously be defined by me, but that's the best anyone can do, eh?)
The only realistic (and not very likely one) way the bad press scenario might become through is if Goons totally botch it and fill Jita local chat by stuff that counts as bullying and OOC threats/taunts, and if either the Jita playerbase totally botches petitioning them and/or CCP totally botches responding to those petitions.
But the exploding ships themselves - no, I cannot really see them being a problem. Pretty much anyone with any brains left agrees that that kind of stuff is part of EVE. Possibly not our favourite part, and not a part I will bother supporting (I never go to Jita anyway, it's a silly place) but still. ;)
Quote:Maybe the summer that saved EVE for the near term is going to be the catalyst of its demise in the mid/long-term - because we players learned that as long as we hit the right triggers (press, business partners, investors) CCP will give us whatever we want. Upside is that if a bunch of idiots starts to hit the press with that express purpose, we can hit the press outing those bunch of idiots, and media will just love it. :P (CCP might not.) |

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
109
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:17:00 -
[85] - Quote
There's a related discussion here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=87788&find=unread about where to draw the line between "griefing" and "playing hard". |

Dar Saleem
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:17:00 -
[86] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:-Facepalm-
We had this planned the moment we hit 10k votes.
This interdiction was no 'knee-jerk' reaction to the Mittani being punished. Cripes.
So let me get this straight you had this planned out, but yoy have buy / make 1800 tornado's ?
I would sack you planner as he forgot something important |

Cylide Askald
Jelly Baby Corporation Fidelas Constans
11
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:38:00 -
[87] - Quote
Dbars Grinding wrote:i will go to quests in wow and cut myself .
Dude seriously? That's some pretty heavy stuff you want to do to yourself.
WoW is a really terrible game. I'm running for CSM: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=836203&#post836203 |

Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
106
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:47:00 -
[88] - Quote
Asuka Solo wrote:Will CCP act against the Burn Jita campaign on day 1? No.
Will CCP act against the prolonged campaign of Burn Jita? Probably.
Why would they? Because continued grieving and or disruption of other players game experience is frowned upon if not covered by the GM governance framework.
Spiteful goons are spiteful.
They won't need to. I doubt the ADD nature of goons will cause them to go at it for more than a month, like every other 'campaign' they waged. |

Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Ixion Defence Systems Tactical Narcotics Team
3
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:04:00 -
[89] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:Davor wrote:Arcathra wrote:Funny audiolog. So basically The Mittani is pissed because he was banned for 30 days and wants to destroy Jita as revenge? To "test the waters" if CCP interferes? I really want to see how that will work out...  English is not your first language, or you're too young to be playing eve, because you didn't understand what was said at all. Oh, I totally understood what was said. But if you want to have a point, please, say where I am wrong? He said multiple times that he is mad because of the 30 day ban and that he feels that CCP isn't the CCP he is used to because of this ban. He wants to see Jita burn because he wants to see if CCP interferes to "test the waters" if CCP really changed. Just an FYI.
He said that the Burn Jita project will go ahead as planned. The only thing that changed was the date.
That is a hint that the project was already on paper before the 30 day ban. |

Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
74
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:13:00 -
[90] - Quote
JTK Fotheringham wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:
Actually Jimmy Tomkins Kungen (I'm taking that's what JTK stands for.) IT will be our win if a new hub emerges. For too long the speculators, the Eve-styled Bankers, the traders have trudged their way in making marketing and trading a 'zombie' profession. With only one market, there was no need to play to the people's tastes in where they want their goods and for what price.
With a new hub, it will force these speculators, the Eve-styled Bankers and traders to finally wake up from their long period of 'zombie hibernation' and to realize they ACTUALLY need to do more than just click a few buttons and dump their cargo at Jita.
I was actually thinking about William Shatner when I created this character... and a girl I liked when I was in uni... whatever that says about me I don't know. Actually, I see your point about Jita breaking up. It may well do the game a huge favour. Like I'd said repeatedly in my posts this last few days, I'm not in any way bothered by the stuff Goons do in game - it's good, it drives things along, it creates the sort of good buzz the game needs. My problem is the stupid stuff you guys keep posting on the forums, which is borderline at best. That said, I'm starting to think defending Jita might be one heck of a good fight.  Hi Sec isn't all carebear you know.
I see we have reached to an agreement to a certain extent.
I am pleased you see the point in regards to Jita being broken up. It should definitely lead to a good 'splitting' of the market. After all, all you have to see is other game models to see the kind of infection a 'single market' can lead to (for those that have not played it, look up Ragnarok Online and take a look at the couple of SS in Prontera to understand what I mean about a 'single market'.)
Well, generally the 'stupid' stuff posted here by us is no different from the 'stupid' stuff being posted by a couple of other speculators, or non-goons if you wish to call them that. What they have been saying is also borderline, Darius III, RogueOperator and MeBiatch are three names in mind who, throughout this, are just as 'unreasonable' as some of our own flock.
With all that is said and do, I too wait in anticipation of a defense fleet in order to protect Jita from the 'Tyranny' which is goon, I am sure our incursion will lead to a glorious fight. |
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Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
74
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:14:00 -
[91] - Quote
Dar Saleem wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:-Facepalm-
We had this planned the moment we hit 10k votes.
This interdiction was no 'knee-jerk' reaction to the Mittani being punished. Cripes. So let me get this straight you had this planned out, but yoy have buy / make 1800 tornado's ? I would sack you planner as he forgot something important
Goons? Plan?
I think by now you should understand all our plans is normally done over a snack of tea and crumpets. |

knobber Jobbler
135
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:19:00 -
[92] - Quote
Ur235 wrote:I would imagine they are plalning to throw a few hundred wardecs in aswell against corps and alliances around Jita they have the money for it
You could probably put an "indefinite" into that statement. |

Keen Fallsword
The Scope Gallente Federation
52
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:23:00 -
[93] - Quote
We dont need jita ! Let it burn.. Who cares.. You guys are making too much nosie about ****.. Go play game !! |

Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
75
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:26:00 -
[94] - Quote
Keen Fallsword wrote:We dont need jita ! Let it burn.. Who cares.. You guys are making too much nosie about ****.. Go play game !!
The several hundred traders, marketers and speculators would like to have a word with you. |

knobber Jobbler
135
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:29:00 -
[95] - Quote
Keen Fallsword wrote:We dont need jita ! Let it burn.. Who cares.. You guys are making too much nosie about ****.. Go play game !!
You're correct. So l'm going to suggest that the other CFC alliances go and camp in the other major trade hubs.
Its a real shame that the old mission hubs are no longer in operation as Motsu would have been the centre of pubbie grief. |

Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
53
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:35:00 -
[96] - Quote
Obviously the Goons burn jita campaign will create excellent game content. Whether thats splitting the market up, Highsec players ganging together for defense fleets or whatever it will make for some fun play.
Concord should war dec the goons for the illegal assault on the trade hub of course. Or would that be CCP intefering  |

marVLs
1
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:40:00 -
[97] - Quote
Goons making now even worse all that crap are like kids, pathetic behavior that will be remembered in history of EVE, even now everyone in EVE are laughting at goons 
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Sponge Blib
13
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:41:00 -
[98] - Quote
This campaign may mean that I'll actually see some Time dilation going on. |

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
114
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:08:00 -
[99] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine wrote:Concord should war dec the goons for the illegal assault on the trade hub of course. Or would that be CCP intefering  I cannot see that as happening. CONCORD did not decide that Jita is a hub, it's a completely capsuleer-driven thing. For all we know CONCORD might be just fine with all of us taking our business away from there, as policing Jita as it is must be a huge time and resource sink for their police force, both in space and on those seedy trade stations. ;) |

Nair Alderau
EVE University Ivy League
12
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:27:00 -
[100] - Quote
Why would they interfere?
As long as it's just griefing by using in-game-mechanics, they have no reason to. |
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Jame Jarl Retief
Corps Diplomatique Terrestrienne
21
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:29:00 -
[101] - Quote
I don't think CCP would have any problems at all with the whole Jita burning thing, as long as it is done without exploiting. Most players will simply switch to the nearest safe hub. Heck, I trade in Hek, the price difference on most items isn't worth the trip to Jita. |

Kibbolski
Terra Rosa Militia SpaceMonkey's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:32:00 -
[102] - Quote
Vince Snetterton wrote:Plus, as others stated, while they burn Jita who is protecting their turf.
Let me tell you about alts and jump clones. They're truly amazing, you might've heard about them. |

Deamos
Dev Null Development and Holdings
112
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:32:00 -
[103] - Quote
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:I don't think CCP would have any problems at all with the whole Jita burning thing, as long as it is done without exploiting. Most players will simply switch to the nearest safe hub. Heck, I trade in Hek, the price difference on most items isn't worth the trip to Jita.
Depending on the level of grief, they can and have banned even if they use ingame mechanics. Look at what happened to Zombie after to Yulai incident. |

Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
77
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:34:00 -
[104] - Quote
Imminent goon attack on Jita is an awesome thing. Good player driven content, good fun for all.
Just think, a bunch of goons show up to blast away at all the unwary. A bunch of anti-goon folk are sure to show up .. possibly some new WarDecs.
Lots of shooting, ships exploding ... a good time will be had by all!
Nothing clever at this time. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
463
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:42:00 -
[105] - Quote
I say just avoid Jita on the day.
Deny them kills.
Those Blue Balls will be HIGH-LARIOUS. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Vangelios
Hedion University Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:52:00 -
[106] - Quote
What I don't understand is 30 day prior notice. That will reduce impact of such operation on large scale. However I believe in possibility that this is just a disinformation for another much larger scale event or something that is not expected. ...-áEach small candle Lights a corner of the dark... |

Norian Lonark
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
25
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:55:00 -
[107] - Quote
Nick Bison wrote:Imminent goon attack on Jita is an awesome thing. Good player driven content, good fun for all.
Just think, a bunch of goons show up to blast away at all the unwary. A bunch of anti-goon folk are sure to show up .. possibly some new WarDecs.
Lots of shooting, ships exploding ... a good time will be had by all!
This. Its what EVE is. Its the sandbox in action, stopping it would go against the fundamental concept. I think CCP will love it. This sort of press is what gets people interested in eve that player driven events like this actually happen. |

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
119
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:55:00 -
[108] - Quote
Vangelios wrote:What I don't understand is 30 day prior notice. That will reduce impact of such operation on large scale. Only if you count impact by number of ships exploded. If you count it by reputation (which in the end is what matters in EVE), Goons have already probably gotten more of that than they could have by a surprise attack in a month after all the noise has died down.
Whatever Goons are, they are not daft about keeping up their reputation.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
463
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:00:00 -
[109] - Quote
I want Jita stopped as a major hub as well.
But the Goons doing it just sounds like............they do not deserve to be the ones to do it anymore. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
273
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:10:00 -
[110] - Quote
Vila eNorvic wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:CCP overreacted in their decision to completely nullify 10000 player opinions. Nope - the candidate the 10000 players voted for did that of his own volition.
CCP has over-reacted. There was no malicious intent, just poor choice of wording.
Are we required by the TOS to report every threat of Murder / Suicide now? If so, I'd like a right-click [report player as Homicidal/Suicidal] button please. People lie about this kind of crap frequently, and I think many of you out there don't believe that, but it's true.
"Because apparently Eve-O thinks it's perfectly acceptable behaviour to threaten to commit suicide over a video game in order to make people feel bad about killing or scamming you, but if you laugh at that person for being a ret@rded drama queen, then you are literally Hit|er." - Jafit ( Dreddit-á - Test Alliance Please Ignore ) |
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Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
80
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:11:00 -
[111] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I want Jita stopped as a major hub as well.
But the Goons doing it just sounds like............they do not deserve to be the ones to do it anymore.
So you are mad that we are coming up with creative ideas while you wallow in our shadow? |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
463
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:13:00 -
[112] - Quote
Ris Dnalor wrote:
There was no malicious intent
LIE OF THE YEAR IN EVE OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
463
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:14:00 -
[113] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I want Jita stopped as a major hub as well.
But the Goons doing it just sounds like............they do not deserve to be the ones to do it anymore. So you are mad that we are coming up with creative ideas while you wallow in our shadow?
The idea of shuttling down Jita is hardly new.......much less creative. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Aranakas
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
124
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:17:00 -
[114] - Quote
I'll set my buy order for an assload of frigates.
Blow me up: Whoops, you lost a Tornado to melt a Rifter. Don't blow me up: Lol, failcamp. |

Minabunny
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:18:00 -
[115] - Quote
I would rather choose another system out of the hundreds there are to play in the day of the Jita tantrum. The only thing this little escapade is going to accomplish is enforce how juvenile Goon and it's alliance members truly are. I would hope your enemies would take action on this day and invade your space. |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1205
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:19:00 -
[116] - Quote
I fully support Burn Jita. It's an idea I've harbored for some time myself (I have another name for it) and regret never having the influence and money to be the one to make it happen. Mine would not have come with any warning, though.
edit: even though I support it, there's a good chance I'll be there that day to ***** onto some Concord killmails with a rack of target painters. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
122
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:19:00 -
[117] - Quote
Quote:CCP has over-reacted. There was no malicious intent, just poor choice of wording. Of course there was malicious intent. There might not have been an intent for the guy to actually shoot himself, but there definitely was an intent to use the stagetime to make Mittani/Goons feel glorious about themselves by ridiculing this guy. And that's malicious, even if you intend it as a joke.
Quote:Are we required by the TOS to report every threat of Murder / Suicide now? If so, I'd like a right-click [report player as Homicidal/Suicidal] button please. People lie about this kind of crap frequently, and I think many of you out there don't believe that, but it's true. You are not required, you are allowed (as before).
However, what I would be really careful about is answering such threats verbally, unless you actually want to do so to try and help the other guy. As part of banter, I'd end it when anyone takes it there. Then again, I always thought this was a good policy, so no problems for me there. |

Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
61
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:26:00 -
[118] - Quote
JTK Fotheringham wrote:About "Burn Jita" - it'll be amusing. But Jita isn't CCP's hub of choice - it was player made because it became the centre for T2 trade when T2 was introduced. CCP just reinforce the node there because of the traffic. The Goons plan will therefore fail - either because a new Hub will emerge, or trade will move to nearby systems temporarily and return to Jita once the Goons run out of steam, or need to return to protect vulnerable 0.0 space. They can't be in two places at once. Others have commented on and said the same things I am going to. I don't think any goon actually thinks that a permanent, or even long term camp of jita to an extent is possible. In terms of a new gallente hub, I imagine it would be Motsu which was pretty big prior to agent changes for the L4 runners. Post that, Osmon really has a huge possibility of being a new hub being close and other things that make it a significant subsystem. I think the ideal outcome from a gameplay idea would be a change in system, hopefully, ccp thinks this as well and is prepared for the hardware changes to how the systems server node to do this.
That of course was one of two only concerns I had with the issue. How much effort or problems would be caused if traffic moved from the jita server node to somewhere else? Second would be, like I said earlier, from a pirate event and making it directed at specific players. |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1384
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:29:00 -
[119] - Quote
CCP shouldn't and I seriously doubt they will take any action against anything GSF want's to do in game including the "Burn Jita" initiative. It is all part of the sandbox. Something EvE is built upon and CCP pride themselves for.
EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |

Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
61
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:30:00 -
[120] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Stuff Wrong thread, that discussion is elsewhere. This thread is about the effects of a Jita burn only. Effects good/bad and support, have any comments on that?
/\ /\ /\ /\ /\ way or \/ \/ \/ \/ \/
For the rest. |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
463
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:34:00 -
[121] - Quote
Trade hubs are bad for the game anyway.
BURN THEM ALL.
Why stop at Jita ???
GET CREATIVE.
JITA, DODIXIE, AMARR, RENS, HEK, TASH-MURKON, et al. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
124
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 14:36:00 -
[122] - Quote
Markus Reese wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Stuff Wrong thread, that discussion is elsewhere. This thread is about the effects of a Jita burn only. Effects good/bad and support, have any comments on that? True, sorry for falling for a derail troll.
I commented already Somewhere(tm), but here's a repetition: personally I don't ever go to Jita and I don't intend to start for this stuff. Beyond personal opinion, I don't care either way. If people want to blow other people up in high-sec, by all means. I think CCP is with me there, too: after all, Mittanigate was not about blowing up a miner but about what was said about it. I doubt it will have any long-term effects. For people to change business permanently out of Jita it would have to take months. |

Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
110
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:36:00 -
[123] - Quote
Markus Reese wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Stuff Wrong thread, that discussion is elsewhere. This thread is about the effects of a Jita burn only. Effects good/bad and support, have any comments on that? /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ way or \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ For the rest.
Effects?
None. Not any meaningful ones, anyway. A few people lose stuff, some money moves around the economy, at most Jita becomes a little more quiet for a bit as the traders and industrialists take their business elsewhere, but the game as a whole doesn't rely on Jita. It's a convenient hub for activity, not the activity itself.
The most the Goons can hope to accomplish is inconveniencing a bunch of people who'll probably be smart enough to outmanoeuvre the problem anyway (and if they cant.... oh well, that's EVE. HTFU.)
CCP certainly don't have anything to worry about. if the Goons think they can shut EVE down single-handed, they've forgotten that that's what they wanted to do in the first place.
Look how well that turned out  An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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LOL56
Galactic Express Intrepid Crossing
12
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:42:00 -
[124] - Quote
LET IT BURN! |

Andrea Griffin
211
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:43:00 -
[125] - Quote
Shaampoo wrote:Jita burn at worse will be a few QQ posts and a new market hub properly Amaar or Paris Exactly. There's plenty of trade at the other hubs, and it will just move there - if it moves at all. I'm not particularly convinced that the Goons will be effective in affecting Jita trade to any large degree.
I don't expect much in the way of tears either; those who use Jita enough to matter will see this as an opportunity or, at the very least, understand that this is Eve and won't whine about it.
But we'll see, I suppose.
If Goons want grief and tears then they should instead move their Tornadoes to mission hubs and start ganking expensive mission ships. Those who run missions 23/7 are quite possibly the most self entitled, conflict-averse people in all of Eve, and they would whine the loudest. Plus, it still affects the market to a degree by destroying expensive ships and modules. CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
589
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:12:00 -
[126] - Quote
You realize they said BURN JITA
but odds are it can just be a distractions.
Basically ALL trade hubs should just be mindful of local and the surrounding systems around that time.
ALL of them. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |

Xander Riggs
The Scope Gallente Federation
81
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:14:00 -
[127] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Trade hubs are bad for the game anyway.
BURN THEM ALL.
Why stop at Jita ???
GET CREATIVE.
JITA, DODIXIE, AMARR, RENS, HEK, TASH-MURKON, et al.
Dodixie is my home system.
Light it up. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |

Spy 21
Lonetrek Exploration and Salvage
8
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:14:00 -
[128] - Quote
Shooting sh*t and blowing up ships in a game designed for shooting sh*t and blowing up ships is not really much of a protest in my opinion.
The ultimate protest is to unsub. Or like they say in US politics... vote with your feet.
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Xander Riggs
The Scope Gallente Federation
82
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:16:00 -
[129] - Quote
Andrea Griffin wrote:Shaampoo wrote:Jita burn at worse will be a few QQ posts and a new market hub properly Amaar or Paris Exactly. There's plenty of trade at the other hubs, and it will just move there - if it moves at all. I'm not particularly convinced that the Goons will be effective in affecting Jita trade to any large degree. I don't expect much in the way of tears either; those who use Jita enough to matter will see this as an opportunity or, at the very least, understand that this is Eve and won't whine about it. But we'll see, I suppose. If Goons want grief and tears then they should instead move their Tornadoes to mission hubs and start ganking expensive mission ships. Those who run missions 23/7 are quite possibly the most self entitled, conflict-averse people in all of Eve, and they would whine the loudest. Plus, it still affects the market to a degree by destroying expensive ships and modules. Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Why stop at Jita ???
GET CREATIVE.
JITA, DODIXIE, AMARR, RENS, HEK, TASH-MURKON, et al. Tash-Murkon? Really? That place is a ghost town. Might as well toss Ouresaleaurt (or whatever that abomination is) on the pile in that case.
...and those faction ships pay out **** for insurance. I fly a Navy Domi. Thing costs like 700mil, and insurance pays out 50. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |

Ammzi
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
933
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:17:00 -
[130] - Quote
RL just got evicted from PB so they have nothing else to do than go to and I quote Mittani "The heart of highsec" to have their "pvp".
Hilarious! quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
355
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:18:00 -
[131] - Quote
Spy 21 wrote:Shooting sh*t and blowing up ships in a game designed for shooting sh*t and blowing up ships is not really much of a protest in my opinion.
The ultimate protest is to unsub. Or like they say in US politics... vote with your feet.
The problem is their dear leader has specifically instructed them not to unsub. They are stuck in the game until The Mittani says they can go. Much like a dog waiting with a treat on its nose. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |

Ninyania alCladdyth
McLuvin AstroDynamics
23
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:23:00 -
[132] - Quote
I'd pay good ISKies to see ten-thousand angry Goons go head-to-head with CONCORD.
Hell, I think CCP should relax the rules on cyno beacons in high-sec so the Goons can hot-drop some super-caps and REALLY lay siege to 4-4. |

Shepard Book
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:26:00 -
[133] - Quote
State of the goonies was hilarious to me. One second he is admitting he messed up and the next he is saying he was wronged... I guess that's the only way he can try to motivate and confuse the followers. He is very lucky to get this slap on the wrist.
There is no SOV in Jita last I checked. I am sure they will have fun none the less. |

Xander Riggs
The Scope Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:27:00 -
[134] - Quote
Shepard Book wrote:State of the goonies was hilarious to me. One second he is admitting he messed up and the next he is saying he was wronged... I guess that's the only way he can try to motivate and confuse the followers. He is very lucky to get this slap on the wrist.
There is no SOV in Jita last I checked. I am sure they will have fun none the less.
You can be wrong and still get **** on more than you should be.
The magic of proportions! "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |

Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
57
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:27:00 -
[135] - Quote
Spy 21 wrote:Shooting sh*t and blowing up ships in a game designed for shooting sh*t and blowing up ships is not really much of a protest in my opinion.
The ultimate protest is to unsub. Or like they say in US politics... vote with your feet.
What makes you think its a protest? the jitaburn was planned long before any of the csm crap happened. It has nothing to do with the Mittanis ban except perhaps it being put back till his ban ends. The only real effect it will have is the goons will now post "free Mittani" in local instead of the usual memes.
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Htrag
The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone
31
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:28:00 -
[136] - Quote
Largo Usagi wrote:If CCP takes action against the jita burn, I will be done with eve, it would be irrefutable proof that the sandbox is completely dead. No where in space should be 100% safe and the mechanics the way they are keep a good balance, ******* with that balance is just wrong and thats what would have to be done to stop this from happening.
I already feel like part of the sandbox died with the Privateer Alliance nerf. Whatever "dev" it was that removed the pod squish sound probably never even logged into the game. |

Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
62
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:30:00 -
[137] - Quote
Ninyania alCladdyth wrote:I'd pay good ISKies to see ten-thousand angry Goons go head-to-head with CONCORD.
Hell, I think CCP should relax the rules on cyno beacons in high-sec so the Goons can hot-drop some super-caps and REALLY lay siege to 4-4.
Don't think that would happen. During the incursion live events of 2010, a large group of the roleplayers etc were looking at doing something. People misquoted us and the reps came straight out and said that they do not promote or allow special actions for players or groups. Something like that. If this did happen, it would be as part of a greater eve roleplaying and would be open to all players of eve. That would mean advanced noticed and other people would counter hotdrop eve.
That in itself would be a pretty cool thing and excellent promotion for eve. Live events allow for much larger profile of a bit of how null and lowsec are. A highsec capfight would get alot of people attracted to the pvp side once they actually see or can get involved with the large gang stuff. Mechanics and favoritism accusations would probably do more harm than good though. |

Xander Riggs
The Scope Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:30:00 -
[138] - Quote
Doddy wrote:Spy 21 wrote:Shooting sh*t and blowing up ships in a game designed for shooting sh*t and blowing up ships is not really much of a protest in my opinion.
The ultimate protest is to unsub. Or like they say in US politics... vote with your feet.
What makes you think its a protest? the jitaburn was planned long before any of the csm crap happened. It has nothing to do with the Mittanis ban except perhaps it being put back till his ban ends. The only real effect it will have is the goons will now post "free Mittani" in local instead of the usual memes.
Y'know, for ***** and giggles, I dropped a can in Dodi labelled 'Free Mittani.' Someone immediately flipped it in the hopes I would start a fight over it, but then someone else flipped it thinking the second guy had dropped it, and someone else came along thinking the third guy had done it. It actually turned out a lot like the beginning of RoadHouse. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |

I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
83
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:34:00 -
[139] - Quote
I find it funny the Goons complaining about their 10k votes being "nullified". Blame their boss, he was the one that acted like an asshat. If you wanna be mad at CCP for some reason, be upset at them for promoting drinking via dev comments and so on as much at the fanfest and then maybe "He Who Not Be Named" wouldn't be living with the consequences. ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o )
The world would be a better place if boobies ran the world instead of boobs. |

Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
610
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:35:00 -
[140] - Quote
Imma' just gonna leave this here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6Y4s7WbM3c
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
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Mana Potion
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
8
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:36:00 -
[141] - Quote
Arcathra wrote: He said multiple times that he is mad because of the 30 day ban and that he feels that CCP isn't the CCP he is used to because of this ban. He wants to see Jita burn because he wants to see if CCP interferes to "test the waters" if CCP really changed.
No. He said he was angry that CCP threw him under the bus for a possible non public agenda...
It seems some people don't pay attention very well. You should probably start up your ADHD meds again.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1362
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:39:00 -
[142] - Quote
Burning Jita would, in my opinion, be a good end to this sad saga. It's a game of space combat and PVP after all.
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Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
20
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 15:42:00 -
[143] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Vila eNorvic wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:CCP overreacted in their decision to completely nullify 10000 player opinions. Nope - the candidate the 10000 players voted for did that of his own volition. Yup goons need to HTFU. Never knew they would be such babies.
Actually everyone needs to chill and go play the game. |

Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
69
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:44:00 -
[144] - Quote
Asuka Solo wrote:Will CCP act against the Burn Jita campaign on day 1? No.
Will CCP act against the prolonged campaign of Burn Jita? Probably.
Why would they? Because continued grieving and or disruption of other players game experience is frowned upon if not covered by the GM governance framework.
Spiteful goons are spiteful.
This pretty much. They'll let Jita burn in the short term but if it continues with no end in sight and game play is disrupted for a lot of players, I can see them step in.
I see another trade hub picking up the slack though
On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á It was a sun |

Xander Riggs
The Scope Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:44:00 -
[145] - Quote
Welsige wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Vila eNorvic wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:CCP overreacted in their decision to completely nullify 10000 player opinions. Nope - the candidate the 10000 players voted for did that of his own volition. Yup goons need to HTFU. Never knew they would be such babies. Actually everyone needs to chill and go play the game.
Hey, I'm a drone pilot. See signature for why I have all this ******* time to post on the forums. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |

Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
201
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 15:44:00 -
[146] - Quote
What population can Jita sustain before the gates get locked? |

Basileus Volkan
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 15:47:00 -
[147] - Quote
If you truly believe the average inhabitant of Jita would be smart enough to move somewhere else you are overestimating people a lot.
The Ice Interdiction already proved that most people in highsec can not deal with sudden change to their "lifestyle" at all. |

Xander Riggs
The Scope Gallente Federation
86
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 15:48:00 -
[148] - Quote
Basileus Volkan wrote:If you truly believe the average inhabitant of Jita would be smart enough to move somewhere else you are overestimating people a lot.
The Ice Interdiction already proved that most people in highsec can not deal with sudden change to their "lifestyle" at all.
I made out like a bandit on that. I just switched out my mack for a noctis. People kept coming. I even actively warned people away and they wouldn't stop coming.
"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |

Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
126
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:54:00 -
[149] - Quote
I will be in Jita hen they come.
I will be shooting Goons. If I get a clear timeline in the frame of a week I will war dec them too.
If CCP want to do something, spawn a Caldari fleet to support me. Otherwise, GTFO. |

Ninyania alCladdyth
McLuvin AstroDynamics
23
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:56:00 -
[150] - Quote
Basileus Volkan wrote:If you truly believe the average inhabitant of Jita would be smart enough to move somewhere else you are overestimating people a lot.
The Ice Interdiction already proved that most people in highsec can not deal with sudden change to their "lifestyle" at all.
Goons wouldn't have to *DO* anything other then hang around off the undock on Jita 4-4 - the 99% would turn around and re-enter the station as soon as they saw the thousands of flashing red icons.
Goons could cripple the regions trade without firing a single shot.
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Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
82
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 15:58:00 -
[151] - Quote
Ninyania alCladdyth wrote:Basileus Volkan wrote:If you truly believe the average inhabitant of Jita would be smart enough to move somewhere else you are overestimating people a lot.
The Ice Interdiction already proved that most people in highsec can not deal with sudden change to their "lifestyle" at all. Goons wouldn't have to *DO* anything other then hang around off the undock on Jita 4-4 - the 99% would turn around and re-enter the station as soon as they saw the thousands of flashing red icons. Goons could cripple the regions trade without firing a single shot.
Well, the citizens have one month...so maybe...just maybe...they might prepare a defense fleet? |

My Neutral Toon
Knights Who Til Recently Said Ni
49
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 16:00:00 -
[152] - Quote
Beekeeper Bob wrote:Largo Usagi wrote:If CCP takes action against the jita burn, I will be done with eve, it would be irrefutable proof that the sandbox is completely dead. No where in space should be 100% safe and the mechanics the way they are keep a good balance, ******* with that balance is just wrong and thats what would have to be done to stop this from happening. I think CCP will do whatever is needed to protect the game. While I am going to find halarity at every turn of this soap opera, I can't help but wonder why you kids think this will have a positive effect?
REally? You must have missed the events in Jita last year...
CCP let it happen all weekend. People were rioting, shooting stuff, ganking stuff... for 3 days. ...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious.... |

Basileus Volkan
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 16:00:00 -
[153] - Quote
Hint: Mission fit Navy Ravens don't count as "defense fleet". |

My Neutral Toon
Knights Who Til Recently Said Ni
49
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 16:03:00 -
[154] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Will CCP act against the Burn Jita campaign on day 1? No.
Will CCP act against the prolonged campaign of Burn Jita? Probably.
Why would they? Because continued grieving and or disruption of other players game experience is frowned upon if not covered by the GM governance framework.
Spiteful goons are spiteful. Ban all players involved in the 2009 PR- Hellcamp.
Ban all players involved in the 3-day 2011 Jita Riots ...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious.... |

Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
127
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 16:08:00 -
[155] - Quote
Markus Reese wrote: There is a very good point about whether ccp will allow, and promote burn jita, or push it down. Let us discuss it civily, since there isn't one like that.
I think CCP is probably as excited about the idea as I am. It's the kind of thing that EvE is all about. My bet, you'll find devs on both sides of the action...as regular players of course.
Although, CCP could interfere in ways that would be interesting. An anti-terrorist force; a sudden, convenient incursion... Nothing to actually stop the goons, but perhaps make it more than just suicide after suicide. A true war over the hub...
Like others have expressed though, if CCP tries to stop it...if they start banning goons and others that take part...I'll go play in the sun. I'll join my girlfriend in SWTOR or something. Write my own spaceship game... I'll be doing something other than playing and paying for EvE. |

Grumpy Owly
445
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:14:00 -
[156] - Quote
CCP introduces their secret patch of a malevolent alien race concept to EvE.
Invasion starts in the northern provinces of null sec.  Bounty Hunting for CSM7
It's just criminal - Smuggling |

My Neutral Toon
Knights Who Til Recently Said Ni
49
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 16:15:00 -
[157] - Quote
regardless of your stance towards GSF, CFC or The Mittani
If you think burning Jita requires CCP intervention, or bans of some sort
YOU ARE WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS GAME
and if you can't figure out why.... take 2 weeks off, then quit. ...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious.... |

Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
110
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:20:00 -
[158] - Quote
Marduk Nibiru wrote:Like others have expressed though, if CCP tries to stop it...
They won't.
What the goons're planning to do is entirely solvable via ordinary PvP without having to resort to exploits or anything. So long as it remains in-game and doesn't extend to harassment of players, then they won't need to.
Player actions in game against other players that don't hinge on exploits aren't a problem. Besides, Jita is just an accident of the way the market works, not some kind of Civil Right. Why the hell should the devs care if it's locked down by a thousand butthurt Goons for a while? An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
126
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:21:00 -
[159] - Quote
Basileus Volkan wrote:Hint: Mission fit Navy Ravens don't count as "defense fleet".
Navy anything is a waste.
I will be honest, I don't know how long Concords Queue list is so my goal will be to get as many of you to lock me as I can if Concord cleans that many of you out after I die.
Hull tanked Baddons with no weapons groups but I can't be sure how many I can lose before I go broke. |

Grumpy Owly
445
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:23:00 -
[160] - Quote
My Neutral Toon wrote:regardless of your stance towards GSF, CFC or The Mittani
If you think burning Jita requires CCP intervention, or bans of some sort
YOU ARE WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS GAME
and if you can't figure out why.... take 2 weeks off, then quit.
Oh I'm sorry I thought we were having fun then, didn't realise you had a serious point to make. 
Bounty Hunting for CSM7
It's just criminal - Smuggling |
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Lakshata Chawla
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
25
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:26:00 -
[161] - Quote
I support burning jita, it would be great for everyone in the game except the carebears and AFK hauler bots. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
598
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 16:38:00 -
[162] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote:IsTheOpOver wrote:What I got from Alex's audio response was that he was perfectly fine with not being on CSM7, the 30 day ban, and the original blog post telling people what was done. What mad him "angry" was CCP calling him a bad person in the 2nd blog. From the blog: "Such behavior crosses the line of acceptable player conduct and breaks the Terms of Service. CCP finds this behavior morally reprehensible." It's one thing when pubbies call him and goonswarm scumbags, it's quite another when CCP does it apparently. Hence, Jita must burn. So...Mittens........ Mad?
He mad.
I think whats more telling here is that this makes his apology pretty much fake.
"Sure im sincere that what i did was wrong and bad, but how dear people actually call me out on my behavior. How dear a public business take a stance against cyber bullying that might lead to suicide, ill make them pay for that." - mittens the space pope wizard
Thats not sane. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |

Farrisen
MoaR ChickeN
66
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:43:00 -
[163] - Quote
I made myself listen to the whole thing, and uh, my head hurts.
Have fun in Jita http://i.imgur.com/DWBuV.png
Originally by: CCP Spitfire: It's because of falcon. |

Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
175
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 16:46:00 -
[164] - Quote
Why the hell would CCP not support Jita Burn?
It's part of the game, and potentially one of the most exciting things to happen in EVE. CCP aren't stupid any more. UI Iteration isn't enough, we need to start from scratch |

Lamperouge Kasenumi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 16:51:00 -
[165] - Quote
I don't see any reason for CCP to interfere. They will just enjoy the show like the rest of us. This is what the sandbox is all about and you won't have people complaining about it like you had last summer. CCP might even use it for a publicity stunt. That's what I would do.
This CCP vs Goons thing only exist in the mind of the Goons. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
463
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 16:53:00 -
[166] - Quote
Lakshata Chawla wrote:I support burning jita, it would be great for everyone in the game except the carebears and AFK hauler bots.
WHAT exactly does Jita have to do with carebears ???? You must know something I don't.
I have had no need to go there for over a year. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Lamperouge Kasenumi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 17:00:00 -
[167] - Quote
Lyron-Baktos wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Will CCP act against the Burn Jita campaign on day 1? No.
Will CCP act against the prolonged campaign of Burn Jita? Probably.
Why would they? Because continued grieving and or disruption of other players game experience is frowned upon if not covered by the GM governance framework.
Spiteful goons are spiteful. This pretty much. They'll let Jita burn in the short term but if it continues with no end in sight and game play is disrupted for a lot of players, I can see them step in. I see another trade hub picking up the slack though
They won't step in, people will adapt, other hub will be created. Worst case scenario, Jita will become another page in the crazy history of Eve and CCP has absolutely no reason to stop that from happening. Actually, if Jita becomes a story of the past, it adds so much more credibility to the sandbox and to the whole "emerging universe" idea. Right now, the best thing for CCP is the success of the Goons plan, pretty interesting times indeed... |

Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
63
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Posted - 2012.03.29 17:02:00 -
[168] - Quote
Ana Vyr wrote:What population can Jita sustain before the gates get locked?
1700 is the most I have seen. This is pre TiDi and they might have a limiter to prevent that from engaging since in my jita journeys, havent seen TiDi there. With the advanced notice, and a reinforced (is that possible?) Jita node, I am sure it could get much higher. It would be really great if new record populations were broken in this event. Headlines
"Pirates invade market capital!"
Turn that positive light to it and will perk up many non eve player ears. Also could get more people interested in large combat. |

Ninyania alCladdyth
McLuvin AstroDynamics
23
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Posted - 2012.03.29 17:21:00 -
[169] - Quote
What a wonderful day for a (totally random... wink wink) high-sec incursion to happen... right in the middle of Jita.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
463
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 17:43:00 -
[170] - Quote
Markus Reese wrote:Ana Vyr wrote:What population can Jita sustain before the gates get locked? 1700 is the most I have seen. .
I recall a Dev on the Fanfest Stream saying the cap was 2200. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
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Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
89
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 18:01:00 -
[171] - Quote
Largo Usagi wrote:If CCP takes action against the jita burn, I will be done with eve, it would be irrefutable proof that the sandbox is completely dead. No where in space should be 100% safe and the mechanics the way they are keep a good balance, ******* with that balance is just wrong and thats what would have to be done to stop this from happening. why dotn you get da f out now, and give me your stuffzzffzzffzzz, ffzzzz,fffffazzzz.
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adam smash
University of Caille Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:05:00 -
[172] - Quote
Aiden Andraste wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:I think CCP will do whatever is needed to protect the game. While I am going to find halarity at every turn of this soap opera, I can't help but wonder why you kids think this will have a positive effect? CCP overreacted in their decision to completely nullify 10000 player opinions. Whether they want to step up that kneejerk response a second time remains to be seen. This has nothing to do with positive or negative. It has everything to do with whether or not the CSM is relevant and whether CCP is shifting toward PR/marketing friendly carebear land or not.
CCP gave you those votes and they can take them away HTFU
As I been saying CCP should REMOVE the CSM then you all can cry about not even getting a vote. |

Apollo-Moor
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
121
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:13:00 -
[173] - Quote
Markus Reese wrote:Yo everybody, listened to Mittani's speech " State of the Goonian" Start of it is a bit, well cheezy. Mainly the part about being thrown under a bus. I am surprized he didn't expect it, but not what this is about. There is a very good point about whether ccp will allow, and promote burn jita, or push it down. Let us discuss it civily, since there isn't one like that. Alright, a general terrorist war on the main hub, general and we know it is coming. Personally, this would be a great thing for eve. I like the random, unexpected and stuff like this the most (even though I wouldn't particapate myself. WIth one month of warning, and the market people used to moving stuff, it won't crash down eve (except for the botters or what not) I think it will be awesome. It will be authentic grief. Just a call out to the goons however, Burn Jita. Will be awesome for Eve. Start following players or whatever to get repeated ganks, not so awesome for Eve.
His speech was lame.. I don't see where he is coming from.. He shouldn't be mad he ****** up and CCP decided not to defend his rather corny and childish actions..
For 30 years old he's acting like a real kid.. Not even admitting in full truth to what he did was wrong.. He' tries to act like that **** was random and that he was too drunk to know what he was doing..
******* bull **** Alexander.. You made a ******* presentation ahead of time.. You decided to drink.. So now you were drunk WHEN YOU PUT THE PRESENTATION TOGETHER AND WHEN YOU GAVE THE SPEECH NOW?
***** plz.. He got caught and got his punishment.. Deal with it! See you in 30-30... Hahhaa...
Guenie tears are like red kool-aid.. |

Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
82
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 18:16:00 -
[174] - Quote
Apollo-Moor wrote:Markus Reese wrote:Yo everybody, listened to Mittani's speech " State of the Goonian" Start of it is a bit, well cheezy. Mainly the part about being thrown under a bus. I am surprized he didn't expect it, but not what this is about. There is a very good point about whether ccp will allow, and promote burn jita, or push it down. Let us discuss it civily, since there isn't one like that. Alright, a general terrorist war on the main hub, general and we know it is coming. Personally, this would be a great thing for eve. I like the random, unexpected and stuff like this the most (even though I wouldn't particapate myself. WIth one month of warning, and the market people used to moving stuff, it won't crash down eve (except for the botters or what not) I think it will be awesome. It will be authentic grief. Just a call out to the goons however, Burn Jita. Will be awesome for Eve. Start following players or whatever to get repeated ganks, not so awesome for Eve. His speech was lame.. I don't see where he is coming from.. He shouldn't be mad he ****** up and CCP decided not to defend his rather corny and childish actions.. For 30 years old he's acting like a real kid.. Not even admitting in full truth to what he did was wrong.. He' tries to act like that **** was random and that he was too drunk to know what he was doing.. ******* bull **** Alexander.. You made a ******* presentation ahead of time.. You decided to drink.. So now you were drunk WHEN YOU PUT THE PRESENTATION TOGETHER AND WHEN YOU GAVE THE SPEECH NOW? ***** plz.. He got caught and got his punishment.. Deal with it! See you in 30-30... Hahhaa... Guenie tears are like red kool-aid..
Poor spelling, need to swear to get point across and terrible grammar.
Yep, your view MUST be seriously considered... |

Andrea Griffin
211
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 18:29:00 -
[175] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:Apollo-Moor wrote:(terrible writing) Poor spelling, need to swear to get point across and terrible grammar. Yep, your view MUST be seriously considered... Holy crap. I'm agreeing with a Goon. 
Time to go check the temperature in hell... CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
464
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:30:00 -
[176] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:Apollo-Moor wrote:Markus Reese wrote:Yo everybody, listened to Mittani's speech " State of the Goonian" Start of it is a bit, well cheezy. Mainly the part about being thrown under a bus. I am surprized he didn't expect it, but not what this is about. There is a very good point about whether ccp will allow, and promote burn jita, or push it down. Let us discuss it civily, since there isn't one like that. Alright, a general terrorist war on the main hub, general and we know it is coming. Personally, this would be a great thing for eve. I like the random, unexpected and stuff like this the most (even though I wouldn't particapate myself. WIth one month of warning, and the market people used to moving stuff, it won't crash down eve (except for the botters or what not) I think it will be awesome. It will be authentic grief. Just a call out to the goons however, Burn Jita. Will be awesome for Eve. Start following players or whatever to get repeated ganks, not so awesome for Eve. His speech was lame.. I don't see where he is coming from.. He shouldn't be mad he ****** up and CCP decided not to defend his rather corny and childish actions.. For 30 years old he's acting like a real kid.. Not even admitting in full truth to what he did was wrong.. He' tries to act like that **** was random and that he was too drunk to know what he was doing.. ******* bull **** Alexander.. You made a ******* presentation ahead of time.. You decided to drink.. So now you were drunk WHEN YOU PUT THE PRESENTATION TOGETHER AND WHEN YOU GAVE THE SPEECH NOW? ***** plz.. He got caught and got his punishment.. Deal with it! See you in 30-30... Hahhaa... Guenie tears are like red kool-aid.. Poor spelling, need to swear to get point across and terrible grammar. Yep, your view MUST be seriously considered...
The truth Hurts QQQQ.    Gimme MOARRRRR. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Apollo-Moor
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
121
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:32:00 -
[177] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:Apollo-Moor wrote:Markus Reese wrote:Yo everybody, listened to Mittani's speech " State of the Goonian" Start of it is a bit, well cheezy. Mainly the part about being thrown under a bus. I am surprized he didn't expect it, but not what this is about. There is a very good point about whether ccp will allow, and promote burn jita, or push it down. Let us discuss it civily, since there isn't one like that. Alright, a general terrorist war on the main hub, general and we know it is coming. Personally, this would be a great thing for eve. I like the random, unexpected and stuff like this the most (even though I wouldn't particapate myself. WIth one month of warning, and the market people used to moving stuff, it won't crash down eve (except for the botters or what not) I think it will be awesome. It will be authentic grief. Just a call out to the goons however, Burn Jita. Will be awesome for Eve. Start following players or whatever to get repeated ganks, not so awesome for Eve. His speech was lame.. I don't see where he is coming from.. He shouldn't be mad he ****** up and CCP decided not to defend his rather corny and childish actions.. For 30 years old he's acting like a real kid.. Not even admitting in full truth to what he did was wrong.. He' tries to act like that **** was random and that he was too drunk to know what he was doing.. ******* bull **** Alexander.. You made a ******* presentation ahead of time.. You decided to drink.. So now you were drunk WHEN YOU PUT THE PRESENTATION TOGETHER AND WHEN YOU GAVE THE SPEECH NOW? ***** plz.. He got caught and got his punishment.. Deal with it! See you in 30-30... Hahhaa... Guenie tears are like red kool-aid.. Poor spelling, need to swear to get point across and terrible grammar. Yep, your view MUST be seriously considered...
Don't be mad guenie.. LoL..
My grammer is well enough for you guys to understand... I mean I thought you guys like all that umadnbro l337 speech ****..
Your in game emotions have been shattered.. |

Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
67
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 18:42:00 -
[178] - Quote
Apollo-Moor wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:Apollo-Moor wrote:Markus Reese wrote:I said stuff asking opinions on the Jita Burn. Off topic.. Mmm... Troll Food... Troll still hungry..
/\ /\ /\ /\ /\ Hey, Mittani topics these ways. \/ \/ \/ \/ \/
This thread is about whether you agree/disagree and any affects the planned siege of Jita might have. Positive/Negative and why you feel if applicable. So comment on that find another thread. |

OfBalance
Caldari State
319
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 18:51:00 -
[179] - Quote
Assuming Mittens doesn't ride off into the sunset during the next thirty days, Jita will burn. But CCP will not intervene, nor will it even have to do so in the long run in GSF kept up their effort to disrupt trade there.
The traders, manufacturers, and all the rest of the EVE supply chain runners will deviate to safer ports of call if it appears to be more than a temporary flare of activity. Tertiary hubs will spring up, other main-line hubs will see increased business. Good and services will continue to be exchanged through the medium of isk.
That isn't to say there will be no impact. Prices on many goods are already going haywire from speculation and confirmed patch info. Prices will fluctuate much more between dispersed trade hubs.
Personally, I think it could be one of the best events to hit EVE since the original hulkageddon. I'm looking forward to it. |

Nu Tra
All Seeing Eye
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:58:00 -
[180] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:IsTheOpOver wrote:What I got from Alex's audio response was that he was perfectly fine with not being on CSM7, the 30 day ban, and the original blog post telling people what was done. What mad him "angry" was CCP calling him a bad person in the 2nd blog. From the blog: "Such behavior crosses the line of acceptable player conduct and breaks the Terms of Service. CCP finds this behavior morally reprehensible." It's one thing when pubbies call him and goonswarm scumbags, it's quite another when CCP does it apparently. Hence, Jita must burn. So...Mittens........ Mad? He mad. I think whats more telling here is that this makes his apology pretty much fake. "Sure im sincere that what i did was wrong and bad, but how dear people actually call me out on my behavior. How dear a public business take a stance against cyber bullying that might lead to suicide, ill make them pay for that." - mittens the space pope wizard Thats not sane.
You're not making any sense. In fact you are beginning to come across as rather desperate.
The more you write the further away from your original premise you seem to be. Is your judgement clouded by some other factor that you are not openly declaring?
I have noticed that you have intimated in various other posts and threads that you wished CCP to take formal action against this player which to all intents and purposes they have. CCP is GOD of EVE and as such they decide what does or does not happen in circumstances/infractions such as the player The Mittani. At this point there is nothing else to be said on the matter. Whether the player in question is sincere or not is an irrelevance judgement has been meted out repentance, or other forms of public penance was not a condition of the punishment.
From my understanding the Goons had this action planned in relation to the voting figures therefore it was going to happen regardless of the further incident or not. It is precisely this understanding that leaves your comments on the subject incredulous in any premise. |
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Mathias Hex
Hillcrest Armaments
18
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Posted - 2012.03.29 19:39:00 -
[181] - Quote
I think GSF should do this without the mittens. He IS the one that didnt want your 10000 votes to count, hell I bet he planned it all just to spite you.
Not to mention it would be nice to have proof the GSF isnt just a bunch of bots under the control of one guy. I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k. |

Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
614
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Posted - 2012.03.29 19:40:00 -
[182] - Quote
Burn it down! The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |

Valkyria Caeli
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2012.03.29 19:46:00 -
[183] - Quote
I don't think CCP should intervene from outside the game in any way. No temp bans for griefing or anything like that.
But, they certainly should intervene from within the game. I just don't think it is in any way believable that the Caldari State would site idly by as their major commerce center was burnt to the ground and completely interdicted for several days. That would be totally unrealistic.
First, the Caldari State would declare war against every alliance that was involved in the attack and quite possibly also on every verifiable ally that these alliances have.
Second, all assets in caldari space, either in hangers or on markets would at least be frozen if not seized.
The full force of the Caldari Navy would be turned on these guys as well as orders given to the militia to try to retake Jita.
Finally, all these alliances would take standing hits such that all members would be kill on sight. And further that would probably be the formal decree of the state declaring all these alliances outlaw and that anybody may freely fire on any of their combat or industrial vessels while they are in Caldari space.
Finally, the other empire factions would have some kind of a response. The Amarr might assist the Caldari. The Gallente not so much, but they would probably also remember the recent "Gallente Ice Interdiction" I doubt the Gallente and Minmatar would formally side with the Goons. More likely they would stay neutral during the conflict and possibly not allow Goons and their friends to pass though their space.
So yeah, I think CCP should make an event out of it. But I don't think the Goons should assume that Empire factions would have no reaction and not care about what was happening. They shouldn't be able to hide behind what are the current mechanics of the game. They should expect a realistic response from all factions in the game, not just player factions. |

Old Chen
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 19:51:00 -
[184] - Quote
Ninyania alCladdyth wrote:What a wonderful day for a (totally random... wink wink) high-sec incursion to happen... right in the middle of Jita.
From the something Awful forums. March 6th
"10,000+: Tornado Weekend in Jita. Entire alliance visits Jita, grabs Tornadoes, alphas freighters on the 4-4 undock, shutting down EVE and unleashing a maelstrom of sorrow not seen since the Ice Interdiction."
The Jita burn is not "payback" or what have you. It's something that was going to happen with or without the ban. |

Patrick Estemaire
EVE University Ivy League
1
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Posted - 2012.03.29 19:52:00 -
[185] - Quote
Looking forward to the attack on Jita. That's the sort of event that brought me to EVE in the first place; something that can't be done in other MMOs.
Cheers to Mittani, the Goons, Test, and their pals for making a splash.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
128
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Posted - 2012.03.29 19:54:00 -
[186] - Quote
I disagree with the theory that Caldari State would get involved. This will be capsuleers shooting capsuleers, and the State is not idiotic enough to go to war with a capsuleer alliance when they can very easily wait them out and let CONCORD limit the problems, and they have a war with another nation state in their hands. |

Valkyria Caeli
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2012.03.29 19:58:00 -
[187] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:I disagree with the theory that Caldari State would get involved. This will be capsuleers shooting capsuleers, and the State is not idiotic enough to go to war with a capsuleer alliance when they can very easily wait them out and let CONCORD limit the problems, and they have a war with another nation state in their hands.
You are really saying that a nation would not react if a power from outside its boarders came in and interdicted its largest financial center? at best I could see them not pushing the conflict back into Goon territory but simply watching as their largest trade hub was attacked? Sorry but that is idiotic. |

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
128
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Posted - 2012.03.29 20:05:00 -
[188] - Quote
Valkyria Caeli wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:I disagree with the theory that Caldari State would get involved. This will be capsuleers shooting capsuleers, and the State is not idiotic enough to go to war with a capsuleer alliance when they can very easily wait them out and let CONCORD limit the problems, and they have a war with another nation state in their hands. You are really saying that a nation would not react if a power from outside its boarders came in and interdicted its largest financial center? at best I could see them not pushing the conflict back into Goon territory but simply watching as their largest trade hub was attacked? Sorry but that is idiotic. I am not convinced that Jita is the State's "largest financial center" in such a way that blockading capsuleers from it causes them huge losses in the long run. Jita is not a hub in the pre-capsuleer PF; it is a hub because capsuleers went there. Capsuleers might leave because of the blockade, but if they do, they will establish another hub in the State, and thus the State does not lose their trade other than temporarily. War might make the whole thing more costly. Obviously, some stationside traders and local government in Jita will be outraged and demand that the State do something... but whether the State cares enough about Jita that has benefited from capsuleers at the extent of neighboring systems for so long, I am not certain of. (Depends probably partly on whether the politicians in charge originate from Jita or not...)
No offense to natives of Jita implied. ;)
(PS. Obviously if CCP decides to make a story out of it that will be awesome and I play along. But if it was me making it, I'd make up some newspiece about authorities in Jita demanding State intervention and State being all handwavy and "the front is that way".) |

Valkyria Caeli
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2012.03.29 20:24:00 -
[189] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Valkyria Caeli wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:I disagree with the theory that Caldari State would get involved. This will be capsuleers shooting capsuleers, and the State is not idiotic enough to go to war with a capsuleer alliance when they can very easily wait them out and let CONCORD limit the problems, and they have a war with another nation state in their hands. You are really saying that a nation would not react if a power from outside its boarders came in and interdicted its largest financial center? at best I could see them not pushing the conflict back into Goon territory but simply watching as their largest trade hub was attacked? Sorry but that is idiotic. I am not convinced that Jita is the State's "largest financial center" in such a way that blockading capsuleers from it causes them huge losses in the long run. Jita is not a hub in the pre-capsuleer PF; it is a hub because capsuleers went there. Capsuleers might leave because of the blockade, but if they do, they will establish another hub in the State, and thus the State does not lose their trade other than temporarily. War might make the whole thing more costly. Obviously, some stationside traders and local government in Jita will be outraged and demand that the State do something... but whether the State cares enough about Jita that has benefited from capsuleers at the extent of neighboring systems for so long, I am not certain of. (Depends probably partly on whether the politicians in charge originate from Jita or not...) No offense to natives of Jita implied. ;) (PS. Obviously if CCP decides to make a story out of it that will be awesome and I play along. But if it was me making it, I'd make up some newspiece about authorities in Jita demanding State intervention and State being all handwavy and "the front is that way".)
Well I can understand that Jita was never planned and just kind of turned into this giant trade hub but giant trade hubs generate lots of taxes for all levels of gov't controlling the area. So maybe they don't go full on war with the Goons but I would still have a tough time buying that they would do nothing. At the least some across the board outlaw declaration allowing anyone in their space to freely hunt them would seem likely. Perhaps not allowing any of these alliances to dock up in highsec also seems likely.
But regardless what CCP chooses to do with it I would just like to see them do something, to make somekind of an event out of it. |

Largo Usagi
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
61
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Posted - 2012.03.29 20:28:00 -
[190] - Quote
If they wanted to make an event out of it treat jita like 0.0 for that weekend, have concord step back and let players duke it out in the heart of empire, It can bee a weekend thunder dome. That would be an event worth seeing. |
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Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
69
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Posted - 2012.03.29 20:35:00 -
[191] - Quote
turning this into a small role playing event would be pretty cool to watch unfold, especially if some of goons enemies came in as allies On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á It was a sun |

Tech3ZH
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.03.29 20:38:00 -
[192] - Quote
Ooh...cool! So there might actually be more of a chance of "real" fighting rather than just the megagankfest sillinessI thought the gewneez were going to pull after the election?...well...a bunch of tornadoes...hmm...guess we'll see... It is nice of you guys to be coming out here anyway! Very convenient, thanks! It's good that you guys are gonna shake things up a bit. I mean...you goons are jerks, but at least you're not boring jerks! :D This jita burning thing promises to be interesting. The mercs of EVE are gonna love you guys! You are gonna make them a lot of money as they get hired by all the various jita folks to defend jita. A pod-goo EVE-economy stimulus courtesy of GSF I'm hoping to get in on a little piece of the action before all the mercs get ya. Should be fun while it lasts, anyway... Wait...so... GSF is going to sustain a jita interdiction/burning/whatever at the same time as a major nullsec war? Can you guys do that without overextending yourselves? Hmm...is this some kind of metagaming trick? I mean, mittens and his top guys are a whole lot smarter than I am...and if little me can kind of tell something seems weird...wonder what's up? Well, I do hope you guys..."visit" jita for awhile, anyhow, it will be fun...please? |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
471
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Posted - 2012.03.29 20:41:00 -
[193] - Quote
Old Chen wrote:Ninyania alCladdyth wrote:What a wonderful day for a (totally random... wink wink) high-sec incursion to happen... right in the middle of Jita.
From the something Awful forums. March 6th "10,000+: Tornado Weekend in Jita. Entire alliance visits Jita, grabs Tornadoes, alphas freighters on the 4-4 undock, shutting down EVE ..."
"10,000+: Tornado Weekend in Jita. Entire alliance visits Jita, grabs Tornadoes, alphas freighters on the 4-4 undock, shutting down JITA."
Jita is NOT the game.
Blue-ball Goons by not showing up.
And now a word from Mass Attack:
"Through the constant harassment over the years the high-sec player can really no longer be termed the carebear. These guys have taken beating after beating and you know what, they're still there, truckin along.
You think high-sec-carebear cares? High-sec-carebear is craaaaaazy, he don't give a ****. " Ohh poor silly goon chillrens. Nobody in high sec cares about your plans to occupy jita like a bunch of dirty hippies. "...as if 10,000 Goons cried out and were suddenly silenced" |

Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
22
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Posted - 2012.03.29 20:59:00 -
[194] - Quote
its not 10,000 votes for him seriously.
Remember the dev blog a while back that said 40% of eve players had multiple accounts? so in reality thats only 6000 people that voted for him.
and even then with over 300,000 accounts in eve online currently active. He still only received 3-4% of the overall total possible votes that could have been casted. So yeah. I made my point. |

Brittany Harpoon
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:08:00 -
[195] - Quote
Wonder if concords instablat guns will be rushed out for "field testing" the day of jita burns |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
474
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:12:00 -
[196] - Quote
Valkyria Caeli wrote:But I don't think the Goons should assume that Empire factions would have no reaction and not care about what was happening. They shouldn't be able to hide behind what are the current mechanics of the game.
What are we supposed to do, be FORCED into JITA by some game mechanic ???
How about some more Mass Attack: "Through the constant harassment over the years the high-sec player can really no longer be termed the carebear. These guys have taken beating after beating and you know what, they're still there, truckin along.
You think high-sec-carebear cares? High-sec-carebear is craaaaaazy, he don't give a ****." Ohh poor silly goon chillrens. Nobody in high sec cares about your plans to occupy jita like a bunch of dirty hippies. "...as if 10,000 Goons cried out and were suddenly silenced" |

Apollo-Moor
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
121
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:14:00 -
[197] - Quote
Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:This makes me really sad.  I think I'll just off myse--- What, too early?
The joke is "too soon.." |

Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
41
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:18:00 -
[198] - Quote
Wait, why do we care about Jita?
And why would CCP care if it gets attacked?
This reminds me of Occupy camping Oakland CA, one of the poorest cities in the nation, pointless.
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Dirk Magnum
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
246
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:22:00 -
[199] - Quote
Dirk's Account Management wrote:next billing date is 06 March 2013 As much as I want to get my money's worth out of that annual renewal, if CCP really does intervene to stop the chaos...  "For example, if you are thinking about selling a Republic Fleet Firetail as a regular Firetail, be sure that the market volume is high on regular Firetails and that there are plenty of buy/sell contracts for Republic Fleet Firetails. [...] The players most interested in Republic Fleet Firetails are going to be players flying regular ones."-á -- PB |

Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
41
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:24:00 -
[200] - Quote
Dirk Magnum wrote:Dirk's Account Management wrote:next billing date is 06 March 2013 As much as I want to get my money's worth out of that annual renewal, if CCP really does intervene to stop the chaos... 
Wait, did I miss something, did CCP say they would stop such an attack or are you people just dreaming up drama?
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Dirk Magnum
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
246
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:25:00 -
[201] - Quote
Bootleg Jack wrote:Dirk Magnum wrote:Dirk's Account Management wrote:next billing date is 06 March 2013 As much as I want to get my money's worth out of that annual renewal, if CCP really does intervene to stop the chaos...  Wait, did I miss something, did CCP say they would stop such an attack or are you people just dreaming up drama? Tinfoiling across the meta channels. "For example, if you are thinking about selling a Republic Fleet Firetail as a regular Firetail, be sure that the market volume is high on regular Firetails and that there are plenty of buy/sell contracts for Republic Fleet Firetails. [...] The players most interested in Republic Fleet Firetails are going to be players flying regular ones."-á -- PB |

Plaude Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:28:00 -
[202] - Quote
I'm still gonna stick with Rens, Hek and Dodixie. They're nice places to hang out around...
Seriously, though. There are better places than Jita. Have you ever been to Dodixie? Have you ever been to Hek? Have you ever woken up dead-drunk in a moat? There are better places than Jita. Sure, you can buy anything in Jita. But you can buy almost anything in the other trade-hubs, including things you don't really need anyway. I'm actually looking forward to seeing the evolution on the market, since my other two accounts will be going WH-ward pretty soon anyway to get better ores. Who knows. Maybe EVE will benefit, maybe it won't. We'll never know until it happens. Well, I know. You don't. I know I'm going to use the Goons' irrational and immature behavior to earn lots of ISK myself. Have fun dying in a fire, Jita-folks. I'll be standing in my Captain's Quarters in Dodixie, watching it on the monitor, laughing at your extinction. Maybe then you'll realize that there are better places, cold and muddy moats included. |

Mathias Hex
Hillcrest Armaments
18
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Posted - 2012.03.29 22:01:00 -
[203] - Quote
Plaude Pollard wrote: Have fun dying in a fire, Jita-folks. I'll be standing in my Captain's Quarters in Dodixie, watching it on the monitor.
That actually sounds pretty awesome, put a live stream up for all the trade hubs and we need a remote on the couch. I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k. |

Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
73
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Posted - 2012.03.30 00:44:00 -
[204] - Quote
Bootleg Jack wrote: Wait, did I miss something, did CCP say they would stop such an attack or are you people just dreaming up drama?
Nah, ccp outside of their devblog statements about the initial cause of the issue has not given word directly on it. Pretty much unless people try to take it as more than just another type of hulkageddon or other pirate event, We really seriously doubt that there will be. With a month to go until then, most people will know and it will be more of people just shooting eachother more than anything else. |

Kolya Medz
Kolya Inc.
62
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Posted - 2012.03.30 03:08:00 -
[205] - Quote
I hope this brings lots of business to Amarr!!! Time to buy buy buy... |

Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
165
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Posted - 2012.03.30 04:50:00 -
[206] - Quote
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Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
165
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Posted - 2012.03.30 04:51:00 -
[207] - Quote
Largo Usagi wrote:If CCP takes action against the jita burn, I will be done with eve, it would be irrefutable proof that the sandbox is completely dead. No where in space should be 100% safe and the mechanics the way they are keep a good balance, ******* with that balance is just wrong and thats what would have to be done to stop this from happening. I know you all want to get your panties in a bunch but you do know that there is a precedent for CCP to interfere in this kind of thing that stretches way, way back to launch, right?
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/M0o_corp_(Player_corporation)#Developer_Interaction |

JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
77
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Posted - 2012.03.30 04:56:00 -
[208] - Quote
Banning Mittani is a good move, but CCP should not interfere in any Jita player's event that are withing game rules.
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Senarian Tyme
Serenity Rising LLC Vanguard.
1
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Posted - 2012.03.30 05:01:00 -
[209] - Quote
So what are the odds that CCP deploys the "Suspect" flag ahead of schedule just to coincide with this event? |

Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
73
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Posted - 2012.03.30 05:39:00 -
[210] - Quote
Senarian Tyme wrote:So what are the odds that CCP rush and deploy the "Suspect" flag and death ray mechanisms ahead of schedule just to coincide with this event? (obviously not on day 1)
Oh? Never heard of either of those! What are they? (seriously asking, never have! )
The Moo campaign does bring up good points, but 2003 compared to 2012 do have significant changes. First off, (not sure if possible back then) the ability to destroy/tank concord? I apologize, but 2003 mechanics I dont know much about, other than stuff like stacked modules. Pretty sure that today's eve would be alot more difficult to control the security space. There is also finite amount of fitting as well unless they have a massive production line that can supply the guns that will be lost, guess they can be stockpiled however, just like the ships. |
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Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.03.30 06:06:00 -
[211] - Quote
Plaude Pollard wrote:I'm still gonna stick with Rens, Hek and Dodixie. They're nice places to hang out around...
Seriously, though. There are better places than Jita. Have you ever been to Dodixie? Have you ever been to Hek? Have you ever woken up dead-drunk in a moat? There are better places than Jita. Sure, you can buy anything in Jita. But you can buy almost anything in the other trade-hubs, including things you don't really need anyway. I'm actually looking forward to seeing the evolution on the market, since my other two accounts will be going WH-ward pretty soon anyway to get better ores. Who knows. Maybe EVE will benefit, maybe it won't. We'll never know until it happens. Well, I know. You don't. I know I'm going to use the Goons' irrational and immature behavior to earn lots of ISK myself. Have fun dying in a fire, Jita-folks. I'll be standing in my Captain's Quarters in Dodixie, watching it on the monitor, laughing at your extinction. Maybe then you'll realize that there are better places, cold and muddy moats included.
Just woke up so will respond as well as I can.
The main problem is, when people ask, they are pointed to Jita. It is the first place they are immediately told about when it comes to finding anything from skill books to ships to parts. Once they are attached to it, they are attached for good most of the time. That is why, when people 'well there are other places' they are like 'NO WAY, JITA IS BEST.'
So while Jita burns, the lost pubbie will be...well...lost. So while they wallow around, no longer sure of what to do, those that have thought outside the box can chortle and raise their glasses of wine in toast. |

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
133
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Posted - 2012.03.30 06:12:00 -
[212] - Quote
Dirk Magnum wrote:Bootleg Jack wrote:Dirk Magnum wrote:Dirk's Account Management wrote:next billing date is 06 March 2013 As much as I want to get my money's worth out of that annual renewal, if CCP really does intervene to stop the chaos...  Wait, did I miss something, did CCP say they would stop such an attack or are you people just dreaming up drama? Tinfoiling across the meta channels. Goons are also dreaming of CCP interfering with their actual business so they can prove themselves THE VICTIMS in the case. Or so it at least seems from the forums.
And the idea of shutting down EVE by camping Jita 4-4 is hilarious. I mean seriously, guys. Jita is an important tradehub but I'd guess the majority of players only go there very rarely, if at all. It's more like, if we know all / most Goons are at Jita, it makes space that much safer, since they cannot be in several places at once... |

Iron Civire
Firebird Squadron Terra-Incognita
2
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Posted - 2012.03.30 06:27:00 -
[213] - Quote
The only "decent" way ccp can interfere is to ship up and stand against them. I'd love them doing that. |

Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
75
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Posted - 2012.03.30 06:32:00 -
[214] - Quote
Iron Civire wrote:The only "decent" way ccp can interfere is to ship up and stand against them. I'd love them doing that.
It would be a good thing, provided they were not cheap about it. During the incursion live events, the CCP played as both sansha and fed navy. Near the end, each faction space had a supercarrier that would show on the field as well, and the two devs would try and kill eachother.
Just saying, what would be neat is the same thing. I am going to think an example here, would be awesome if they did it since it would be a roleplay thing. They should spawn a wyvern or other cap (maybe a couple caps?) in jita with NPC spawns just like how they did in the incursion events. Goons kill the dev, then they can try and get the peeps in the system. On the other hand, that sort of PvE might also destract away from the event since it would be, pve? |

Iron Civire
Firebird Squadron Terra-Incognita
2
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Posted - 2012.03.30 07:57:00 -
[215] - Quote
Was thinking of roleplay. Shipping in the same way any regulare player would be able to, or even creat a corp, recruit player to stand with them, a bit like mods vs viewers =) IMO it would be a way to interfere without ruining the image of the god of eve, the sandbox, in which so many believe in. |

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
137
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Posted - 2012.03.30 08:03:00 -
[216] - Quote
I agree that CCP playing along would be cool. (Regardless of how they do it.)
However, seeing that CCP involvement in anything, even as the opposition, is always a reward to players, and this event is now tied to the Mittanigate, I wonder if it is appropriate for them to be seen as taking part. Would that not seem to many players as saying "ok, so, the goons have verbally harassed people for years and now their leader stepped out of line, here, have a slap on the wrist and a big cake and a pony"?
(I admit it would feel a little bit like that to me. Even though CCP involvement in anything is always cool. ;)) |

Damion Rayne
Dark-Rising
68
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:24:00 -
[217] - Quote
CCP needs to act, and destroy goons entirely. Goons need to die, period. Teamwork.. Maturity.. Tactics.. www.tacticalgamer.com |

Prince Kobol
465
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:46:00 -
[218] - Quote
Apparently you can Opt Out
http://www.goonfleet.org/Jita-Opt-Out/index.php
Also the intro was a great piece of comedy
"The Mittani was banned from the EVE universe. Banned because of the pressure that gaming media has exerted on CCP. He was their scapegoat in what some would see as a PR disaster. For this, we will burn Jita on the 28th of April. However, we don't want the EVE economy to collapse in a roaring rampage of bee vengeance. Therefore we give YOU, the heart of the EVE economy the opportunity to "opt out" from this historic event."
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moskowitz
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.03.31 12:17:00 -
[219] - Quote
I could only listen to a few minutes of the tears....I am so glad he is as big a baby as his ego requires
I support your cause Mittani. Weild your sword! you fell on your sword..shot yourself in the foot...then...got run over by a bus (that you were driving btw) and now you want to show us all who's responsible....while shooting the other foot
I love this. Think of it as therapy I guess. Wonderful idea...It is pitiful that you had to get butthurt in order to decide to do something great (your reasoning for this somehow makes me tear up really).
and I extend my apology posthumorusly to you if the above words cast ridicule at you in any form
sincerely
Moskowitz< also famous for not logging in but I like keeping a low profile. |

Damion Rayne
Dark-Rising
68
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Posted - 2012.03.31 12:23:00 -
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I love it! Goons are such big babies! They are acting just like the "pubbies" they call all of us! It's so comical! I love this, it's just plain funny. Teamwork.. Maturity.. Tactics.. www.tacticalgamer.com |
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Tech3ZH
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.03.31 22:04:00 -
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Markus Reese wrote:Senarian Tyme wrote:So what are the odds that CCP rush and deploy the "Suspect" flag and death ray mechanisms ahead of schedule just to coincide with this event? (obviously not on day 1) Oh? Never heard of either of those! What are they? (seriously asking, never have!  ) The Moo campaign does bring up good points, but 2003 compared to 2012 do have significant changes. First off, (not sure if possible back then) the ability to destroy/tank concord? I apologize, but 2003 mechanics I dont know much about, other than stuff like stacked modules. Pretty sure that today's eve would be alot more difficult to control the security space. There is also finite amount of fitting as well unless they have a massive production line that can supply the guns that will be lost, guess they can be stockpiled however, just like the ships.
Markus, it was talked about in a presentation at fanfest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syaAPlvp8SY&feature=related
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Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
389
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Posted - 2012.03.31 22:18:00 -
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Oh man, no one is going to be RUNNING AWAY from Jita, are they? And miss the lol-tastic bonfire of Goons courtesy of CONCORD? I wouldn't miss this for any amount of ISK!    http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |

Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
84
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:41:00 -
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Cool, missed that presentation, was a well done one too, cept for the fidgeting and the clicking til he stopped. Personally, I think a direct concord death ray wouldn't be so great. Exception would be if they were stationed in a system somewhere. With a lock time and refire (say at the gates so people can see when they fire) Higher sec, means faster refire and more cannons. This would need to be combined with concord, they cannot remove that nice fleet coming. If it was brought in, need to make it a suppliment, nothing more.
The best way to do it would be comine their ewar with damage instead. Concorde becomes about lockdown, and arriving fast. Their damage means it can take a bit to wear through. Toss up between tank or gank. Death ray would act like a doomsday, just pop. Result would mean some people in a lowsec would need to serve as distraction while others commit crime, add a criminal tactic to it.
Again, would be cool to see the cannons aim and fire. I would sit at the Uedama cannon just to watch them aim and cycle. |

Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
123
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:31:00 -
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I am going to find it so funny when the goons don't attack Jita but hit the other 3 market hubs..
in any case this should really hamper bots. for a day or two I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
383
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:33:00 -
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Gevlin wrote:I am going to find it so funny when the goons don't attack Jita but hit the other 3 market hubs..
in any case this should really hamper bots. for a day or two Well the market bots will keep up their merry 0.01 isking or whatever they use (I think some might 0.05 isk or something).
It's like ganking bot miners, except those need to have someone give them a new ship before they can resume mining their ice? Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |

Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
86
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Posted - 2012.04.01 17:01:00 -
[226] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote:WTB ring side SS Jita 4-4
Covert ops! ships, will be a grand show, yarr  |

Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
69
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Posted - 2012.04.01 19:20:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:I think CCP will do whatever is needed to protect the game. While I am going to find halarity at every turn of this soap opera, I can't help but wonder why you kids think this will have a positive effect? CCP overreacted in their decision to completely nullify 10000 player opinions. Whether they want to step up that kneejerk response a second time remains to be seen. This has nothing to do with positive or negative. It has everything to do with whether or not the CSM is relevant and whether CCP is shifting toward PR/marketing friendly carebear land or not.
10,000 alts can't be wrong?
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |

Nikoli Chechnov
Beyond The Gates The Methodical Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.04.01 19:31:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:Will CCP act against the Burn Jita campaign on day 1? No.
Will CCP act against the prolonged campaign of Burn Jita? Probably.
Why would they? Because continued grieving and or disruption of other players game experience is frowned upon if not covered by the GM governance framework.
Spiteful goons are spiteful.
Sweet jesus, boobs everywhere! |

Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
446
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Posted - 2012.04.01 19:49:00 -
[229] - Quote
the jita burn will be fine if it doesn't attempt to crash the node or its not a failfest of "log in and take spots so no one can get into jita"
if they kill every ship they see for a day or so i wouldn't care
PS don't let -10s use pos or orcas in highsec |

Lord Reid
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.04.01 19:53:00 -
[230] - Quote
Just in case you fine spaceship peoples didn't know yet, I support the Jita Burn. Official Goonwaffe Recruitment Officer |
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Skingrapht Amari
Black Magic Holdings Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.01 19:54:00 -
[231] - Quote
I wonder if any surprises will come a few days before the proposed burn jita day with the release of the escalations I see on April 24th every time I log in. Maybe CCP will have NPC's blow up Jita before goons can get there LoL. Anyways, GL Goons always good to see someone keeping the game exciting and stirring up the sandbox. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
396
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Posted - 2012.04.01 20:01:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:the jita burn will be fine if it doesn't attempt to crash the node or its not a failfest of "log in and take spots so no one can get into jita"
if they kill every ship they see for a day or so i wouldn't care
PS don't let -10s use pos or orcas in highsec Yeah, that's the problem. If we get everyone into Jita, then it's harder for people to get in so we can blow them up.
For whatever reason we had a ton of people on today to shoot POSes. Weird, but regardless ...
There should be no issues. Not only is Jita a permanently reinforced node, it also has a cap on the number of people who can come in, so no crashing should occur. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |

Explosivesonhand
The Hand of Ragnarok S I L E N T.
3
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Posted - 2012.04.28 03:07:00 -
[233] - Quote
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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
141
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Posted - 2012.04.28 03:13:00 -
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Wow, ressurection from the dead!
The burn jita is going great personally. The -A- fight there is really making it interesting. How long has it been since a good size fight happened in highsec? |
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