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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:43:00 -
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Yo everybody, listened to Mittani's speech "State of the Goonian"
Start of it is a bit, well cheezy. Mainly the part about being thrown under a bus. I am surprized he didn't expect it, but not what this is about.
There is a very good point about whether ccp will allow, and promote burn jita, or push it down. Let us discuss it civily, since there isn't one like that.
Alright, a general terrorist war on the main hub, general and we know it is coming. Personally, this would be a great thing for eve. I like the random, unexpected and stuff like this the most (even though I wouldn't particapate myself.
WIth one month of warning, and the market people used to moving stuff, it won't crash down eve (except for the botters or what not) I think it will be awesome. It will be authentic grief.
Just a call out to the goons however, Burn Jita. Will be awesome for Eve. Start following players or whatever to get repeated ganks, not so awesome for Eve. |
Largo Usagi
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:47:00 -
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If CCP takes action against the jita burn, I will be done with eve, it would be irrefutable proof that the sandbox is completely dead. No where in space should be 100% safe and the mechanics the way they are keep a good balance, ******* with that balance is just wrong and thats what would have to be done to stop this from happening. |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
409
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:49:00 -
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i will go to quests in wow and cut myself . I have more space likes than you.-á |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
27
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:49:00 -
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Largo Usagi wrote:If CCP takes action against the jita burn, I will be done with eve, it would be irrefutable proof that the sandbox is completely dead. No where in space should be 100% safe and the mechanics the way they are keep a good balance, ******* with that balance is just wrong and thats what would have to be done to stop this from happening.
I think CCP will do what they have to, too protect the game. While I am going to find halarity at every turn of this soap opera, I can't help but wonder why you kids think this will have a positive effect? Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1306
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:52:00 -
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Will CCP act against the Burn Jita campaign on day 1? No.
Will CCP act against the prolonged campaign of Burn Jita? Probably.
Why would they? Because continued grieving and or disruption of other players game experience is frowned upon if not covered by the GM governance framework.
Spiteful goons are spiteful. |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
150
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:54:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:I think CCP will do whatever is needed to protect the game. While I am going to find halarity at every turn of this soap opera, I can't help but wonder why you kids think this will have a positive effect? CCP overreacted in their decision to completely nullify 10000 player opinions. Whether they want to step up that kneejerk response a second time remains to be seen. This has nothing to do with positive or negative. It has everything to do with whether or not the CSM is relevant and whether CCP is shifting toward PR/marketing friendly carebear land or not. |
Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
19
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:55:00 -
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and while jita is burning goons and friends will lose all their space to our russian and japanese overlords. |
Liam Mirren
387
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:56:00 -
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I'm am supporting CCP by standing by their decision to remove the offender from the CSM, you all should do the same! Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:56:00 -
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This makes me really sad.
I think I'll just off myse---
What, too early? |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
367
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:58:00 -
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While I think rank&file Goons were the biggest losers in this scandal, their shitposting armada was terrible and managed first to make them look like parroting wannabe cyber-tough guys, then immediately crying like babies, what happens in game in the limitations of EULA/TOS is not griefing or "disrupting game experience".
They can go camp Jita for years if they want to, and if CCP intervenes I will also ******* unsub.
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Judge Solace
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:04:00 -
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New obligatory bedtime reading for the CSM:
http://www.iiasa.ac.at/Research/PIN/docs/pb06-web.pdf |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
130
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:09:00 -
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Liam Mirren wrote:I'm am supporting CCP by standing by their decision to remove the offender from the CSM, you all should do the same! Not empty quoting. |
Molic Blackbird
Orion Faction Industries Orion Consortium
33
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:10:00 -
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CCP will do nothing even if it is a prolonged operation. If the goons are successful in preventing people from moving items in and out of Jita, a new system will pop up to replace it. Just like all previous Goonswarm initiatives, Eve players adapt to it and move on. It doesn't bring the Eve economy down. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
91
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:11:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:Will CCP act against the Burn Jita campaign on day 1? No.
Will CCP act against the prolonged campaign of Burn Jita? Probably.
Why would they? Because continued grieving and or disruption of other players game experience is frowned upon if not covered by the GM governance framework.
Spiteful goons are spiteful.
Ban all players involved in the 2009 PR- Hellcamp. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
130
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:12:00 -
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Goons up against an entity much larger ,more stupid and helluva more resilient than they are. This can indeed go many ways. |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
52
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:15:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:I think CCP will do whatever is needed to protect the game. While I am going to find halarity at every turn of this soap opera, I can't help but wonder why you kids think this will have a positive effect?
Good comment. Myself, as for positive, if done to a limited extent, it will be interesting press. From an out of game perspective depending on how it is posted around of course. From a personal opinion, eve sometimes suffers from being too static, the disruption in the markets will actually be beneficial to industry players in the form of increased prices once it is all done. It will get some stress relief for players, and for a final standpoint, there is one month for players to form up an anti goon coalition, war declarations and the like.
Quote:Ai Mei
Posted: 2012.03.29 05:55
and while jita is burning goons and friends will lose all their space to our russian and japanese overlords
This is one example. The burning of jita will be more difficult than people think. Hulk ganking works because of security status. The response time is slower from concord in the 0.5 and 0.6 spaces. Jita is 1.0, concord there almost instant if not already on grid. Any gank attack will only have one shot. There will be alot of fire, burning hot and bright, and a whole lot of wrecked ships. I have no doubt that it will be planned, and there will be firepower, but the quote above is quite the thing to consider.
The firepower to bring to burn jita will be alot more expensive than a few alts with thrashers in asteroid belts. It would mean battlecruisers and more manpower, for less damage output. Even with the massive goonwallet, the time they can spend is finite. Tier 3 ships, if they keep em going are going to be a few hundred mil an hour, provided they can stay fitted. Manpower will be limited as a mass outpouring will have people counter attacking. Good for eve, nullsec wars are good for everybody. Goons finish and lay waste in nullsec more. Their war declaration in their goonian speech shows. More ass kicking, less noob shooting.
The economy and the grief tactics are not supposition. I have said it in industry talks about ganking, but when I ran a corp for some indies a couple years ago, during hulkageddon was the best profit we had. We played smart however, and ran our ops based around that. Anti ice mining too. Drove the fuel prices high for a while, many lost isk, some were very dismays I am sorry to say. But afterwards, the market was so high others made more than they lost. Those that prepped against the gank that is and planned around it. |
Shaampoo
Epidemic. F0RCEFUL ENTRY
11
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:17:00 -
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Markus Reese wrote:Yo everybody, listened to Mittani's speech " State of the Goonian" Start of it is a bit, well cheezy. Mainly the part about being thrown under a bus. I am surprized he didn't expect it, but not what this is about. There is a very good point about whether ccp will allow, and promote burn jita, or push it down. Let us discuss it civily, since there isn't one like that. Alright, a general terrorist war on the main hub, general and we know it is coming. Personally, this would be a great thing for eve. I like the random, unexpected and stuff like this the most (even though I wouldn't particapate myself. WIth one month of warning, and the market people used to moving stuff, it won't crash down eve (except for the botters or what not) I think it will be awesome. It will be authentic grief. Just a call out to the goons however, Burn Jita. Will be awesome for Eve. Start following players or whatever to get repeated ganks, not so awesome for Eve. Jita burn at worse will be a few QQ posts and a new market hub properly Amaar or Paris
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Vila eNorvic
University of Caille Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:21:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote:CCP overreacted in their decision to completely nullify 10000 player opinions. Nope - the candidate the 10000 players voted for did that of his own volition. |
Ai Shun
481
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:24:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:Why would they? Because continued grieving and or disruption of other players game experience is frowned upon if not covered by the GM governance framework.
Oh no! Somebody shot somebody in EVE Online. Quick ... call the whaaambulance.
No really.
This is EVE Online. What the Goons are planning, with Jita being targeted, is exactly what makes this game what it is. It is a ballsy move from an Alliance that is out to punish CONCORD for what they believe is a transgression against their candidate in the Council of Stellar Management.
The wars and conflict and drama this is going to generate is exactly what fuels EVE Online and has done so from day one.
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
543
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:25:00 -
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Vila eNorvic wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:CCP overreacted in their decision to completely nullify 10000 player opinions. Nope - the candidate the 10000 players voted for did that of his own volition.
Yup goons need to HTFU.
Never new they would be such babies. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
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Tech3ZH
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:41:00 -
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@ Judge Solace - Your character has an awesome look to it and you are obviously exceptionally talented with the character creator. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
551
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:44:00 -
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Tech3ZH wrote:@ Judge Solace - Your character has an awesome look to it and you are obviously exceptionally talented with the character creator.
Deja vu! Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Valryon
Insight Investments Independent Operators Consortium
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:45:00 -
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From what I understand the goons are mad not because of the CSM thing -- the goonswarm leader Mittani said he stepped down. What they're pissed about is after all that he was banned for 30 days. Which is pretty screwed up -- a game company banning someone for something they said out of game.
It's censorship and it's playing mommy. I'm not a goon or part of any major alliance but I'll be there getting a -10 status. |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
701
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:49:00 -
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I have no issues at all with the Burn Jita campaign. It will be one interesting day (month? more??) for sure and I look forward to it. Going to have Fraps at the ready and maybe even ninja on some kills myself.
I'm just really glad that this event of rage and frustration is staying in the game, where it should stay.
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IsTheOpOver
89
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:53:00 -
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JITA TO BURN APRIL 28th!!!!!
...also, this just in... Tornados to get a crippling nerf on April 27th ;)
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
134
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:55:00 -
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Tech3ZH wrote:@ Judge Solace - Your character has an awesome look to it and you are obviously exceptionally talented with the character creator. :0 |
Heet Crusher
Drunk Chaos Unprovoked Aggression
8
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:59:00 -
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So seriously what are you Goons goign to do ????? More high sec ganking to noobs lol. Really is that all you got and can do ??? You guys talk like EVE is Goons. Like if you dont let me play they game will be gone. Such tards . |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
53
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:22:00 -
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Valryon wrote:From what I understand the goons are mad not because of the CSM thing -- the goonswarm leader Mittani said he stepped down. What they're pissed about is after all that he was banned for 30 days. Which is pretty screwed up -- a game company banning someone for something they said out of game.
It's censorship and it's playing mommy. I'm not a goon or part of any major alliance but I'll be there getting a -10 status.
Censorship is the wierd part. This was at least my main point of discussion in the forum. More specifically, the EULA applies to in game and in CCP out of game. Believe the EULA refers to eve websites. Now the stream was broadcast via CCP under the EveTV which is part of the eve website. Therefore in terms of enforcement, there is no different than had it been in game. The outside part that was different was it was reported by a player outside who it was addressed to and we know the rest. I am sure that PR did have a play into it. And understandably, some feel that since the other player involved seems not to find it as big of a deal, possibly a ban and a harsh warning was needed, so there is some people upset.
The other side to account for is in the end, CCP is a business. As pretty much everybody on this forum knows, most people who post take alot stronger opinions than those that dont. In the end, those people also pay subs, and they run the eve industries that do that wonderful veldspar mining to get all the trit to build ships. I don't know how the decision to speculate on the difficulty of the decision of the ban. Myself, I feel it was necessary, at the very least for a PR. Personally I felt that 30 days would have been right before the announcement. In scale, he will be back before my current skill is done training. I hope that Mittani understands and accepts it wasn't throwing him under a bus. Really, it might have been the bare minimum they could do. If it was a choice for myself personally between thrown under a bus or even one person at ccp having to be dismissed. I would have jumped under that bus myself for even twice as long.
But back to internet spaceships, he will be back, things will explode and Inferno will start with... an Inferno! Awesome? |
Alaere Rin
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:30:00 -
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Markus Reese wrote:... But back to internet spaceships, he will be back, things will explode and Inferno will start with... an Inferno! Awesome? And I'll be watching with a whole load of popcorn. |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
219
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:30:00 -
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Funny audiolog.
So basically The Mittani is pissed because he was banned for 30 days and wants to destroy Jita as revenge? To "test the waters" if CCP interferes? I really want to see how that will work out... |
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