Originally by: Talsarius

---

Edited by: Talsarius on 19/06/2004 13:09:09

Quote:

---

The fact is, our members helped Carbide to become one of the richest corps in Eve û and time and time again they have the funds to pay for MANY activities and yet suddenly û they are making out that they have no money. We have our own inside sources who are FULLY aware of how much money Carbide have. Think whatever you like, but when a man/ ******* (erm.. Latta refers to himself as a woman in that convo ??) has the funds to sell isk on ebay and buy the large majority of the BPOÆs for each battleship in the game + the fact that Carbide frequently fund numerous other activities which cost huge amounts of isk I think itÆs very, very reasonable to expect that even the 1 billion isk that he offered could be paid immediately.

---

I've seen the numbers and all the money we generate goes into buying BPOs and minerals for our building efforts, we don't keep billions of isk lying around or in secret accounts and we don't sell stuff on Ebay, those accusations are pretty ridiculous and totally unfounded.

Quote:

---

My friendsà. Please understand that I have tried to play fairly û I have given Carbide multiple attempts rectify the situation û I have tried to show here just how much work has been put into trying to give Carbide the necessary means of making amends and as always, theyÆve thrown it back in our face.

---

Crytek : Give us money or we exterminate you from the face of the Earth!
Carbide : err...how about no?
Crytek : YOU DIE! YOU EVIL!!111!!
the unwillingness to negociate anything under billions of isk in a situation that is already quite frankly, hard to justify. There is no good reason for Carbide to die beside the insane greediness that is going on.

Quote:

---

I have spoken about this whole affair with numerous corps and corp members both inside of CoD as well as all over the Eve universe and those who are aware of these facts have assured me that we are not making a mistake and we should hold true to our cause.

---

Crytek : Hey guys! How about a few billions in BPOs and isk?
CoD corps : Woohoo!
Pirate friends : Woohoo!

Read the previous threads, can't say you've gained enormous support from most people there...

Quote:

---

While we still fight this war with Carbide alone and have done EVERYTHING possible to keep it that way û they in turn continue to recruit every pathetic corporation they can find to declare war on us.

SO BE IT.

Anyone who wants to sponsor the behaviour of Latta and his cronies in Carbide has the right to do so û but declaring war on us you make a permanent enemy of our corp.

HereÆs a thread on all spineless corporations who wish to engage us (so far) who have not even bothered to contact us directly:

---

I guess it's a bit like the UN in some way. Carbide is a respectable corp as far as I can tell and see and I love the people and the spirit of the corp. Many people have had great dealings with us as and as a mining and manufacturing corp, we've always strived to be friendly and fair and we've made friends and allies in the community at large.

And you're surprised to see people reacting badly to extortion attempts a somehow-supposedly-reformed-ex-pirates-corp make on us? You don't earn respect by acting lie children in this game. What we gained in the community was through hard work and dedication (yes, working for assets is actually something that CAN be done!) So this only shows me that Carbide is not the evil-demonice-satan-worshipping-slave-exploiting corp you made us out to be. (Heck, by saying we have no idea what's going on in Carbide, you insult the intelligence of every members!)

Quote:

---

After all the smacktalk that Carbide have given us û claiming that they are twice our size and battle ready etc û I find it amusing that they need help from so many other corporations to try and fight this war for them.

---

*looks at membership* well we do are technically twice your size although there is a lot of players that don't seem to play anymore. As for being battle ready, while a lot of us are mostly peaceful miners, some of our older members have quite a decent amount of PvP experience from the days we were still in Fountain. I guess we are doing alright for a mining corp.

Quote:

---

The full surrender terms for Carbide will be released in due course.

---

Sweet! Will it be an old style surrender and we will all become one big family under the enlightened leadership of Crytek? Or even better, since we refused to give 4 bil to you, you'll seize all our corp's assets instead so that "Justice" will finally be served! Can't wait to see what it will be!

Oh and Croesus, nice try, put on your Thundercats/CoD tag in there next time, there is no conspiracy, every single isk that goes in and out of the corp are accounted for and I didn't see any Ebay account there :P

Originally by: Wakita

---

As for selling stuff on ebay if you have proof of that turn it over to CCP and theyll ban the lot of them. Bloody heck mate theres either proof or theres not. If you make accusations you need to back them up with action.

---

Quote:

---

"The corp also makes me (and all other members) BPC's of ANYTHING the corp owns a BPO for. I WANT them to get more BPO's. It benefits all corp members! Key words here are CORP MEMBERS. If I leave the corp after I helped them obtain those BPO's I certainly DO NOT have a right to make claim for them. They were purchased with corp profits FOR CORP MEMBERS USAGE; NOT for corp member OWNERSHIP. The collective corp owns them.. end of story."

---

Originally by: Alexandra Belani

---

Edited by: Alexandra Belani on 19/06/2004 17:50:33
Edited by: Alexandra Belani on 19/06/2004 17:46:30
I think what Latta is failing to understand in this situation is the amounts estimated are not for a percentage of the corporate current assets. If you take the amount of ISK, resources, and assets that were procured over eight months of time, I'm quite certain they would far exceed the current assetbase of the corporation.

[ 2004.06.17 23:09:52 ] Latta > they are 10% of the memberbase
[ 2004.06.17 23:09:57 ] Latta > 10% of the assetbase

[3:06:30 ] Saberhawk > If every member were to get the kind of agreement you are proposing, then we would need to keep a stock of 50 billion in the wallet to make sure we could cover every person.


Lets take this statement into consideration. Latta, if you belive this to be a truth and reasonable statement, then I concur. 10% of the assetbase is a fair and accurate compensation for these 10 players, and should be implimented as soon as possible.

Assuming that the corporation has a current assetbase of 10 Billion or so and accounting for losses of time and effort building of equipment, and selling of isk on ebay.....

I personally on average make about 200 mil per month with minimal effort.

Lets make this a springboard and multiply that by eight for the sake of arguement, not even taking into consideration the fact that a single mining operation can almost double that on a per-person basis.....

200mil/person times eight months = 1.6bil
1.6 bil times 10 players = 16bil

Personally I would have demanded 16 bil.

If you dont want to use the above model, be prepared to provide accounting data. Otherwise I will have to assume that Carbide Industries intended to be dishonest and cheat them, thereby bringing this war upon yourselves.

Crytek is completely within its rights to defend the honour and interests of its members. I commend Talsarius for having the courage to stand up against this.

Love and Freedom
Alexandra

---

Originally by: Alexandra Belani

---

Personally I would have demanded 16 bil.

---