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Xander Riggs The Scope Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2012.03.29 09:34:00 - [61] - Quote Wukulo wrote: J3ssica Alba wrote: Once it went public, besides being live streamed all over the interwebz, and worse into the gaming news sites it could only escalate from there. If it hit BBC, CNN, Fox, MSNBC and all the others then the ** would really have hit the fan. Therefore CCP was forced to deal with it in a public manner. ""Private" manner would have been taken as hiding what happened. Lets break that logic down. Something bad happened that we don't want to draw attention to. So to solve it, we did something that draws attention to it so we could make ourselves look like we're not involved. But in doing that, we could make the situation worse and since we acted, we're now involved. It's a catch 22. It would've been better to handle it quietly, have a lawyer or 20 near by. Document everything, CYA and move on. They could have just said 'Not cool. Don't do anything to this guy. Drop that **.' and been done with it. They filled these guys with booze, approved all the slides, and then put them on a live, unedited feed. It was already simmering down. All CCP had to do was say 'DON'T.' and the situation would have been resolved. they'd have drawn a line in the sand and set a clear precident that the behavior was unacceptable in the future and established a point of reference if future punishment was needed. Instead, they knee-jerked it and knocked over the coffee table. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."
Starcaller Dredg 1st Contact Fade 2 Black 12	Posted - 2012.03.29 09:36:00 - [62] - Quote Wukulo wrote: Starcaller Dredg wrote: Fanfest is over. There is very little they can do now. They can't control what happens in-game for obvious reasons, and they already gave Mittani a 30 day vacation from EVE. They can go public with an apology but honestly I think that would make the situation worse. This is Mittani's problem, not CCP's, and I don't agree that they should help clean up Mittani's mess. Honestly I'd say ban him for a year. The Wiz should be offered a new account or character and a free skill boost to ensure he is removed from harm, but other than that, it's up to the community to demand a more grown-up group of representatives. I hope if this whole situation gets out of hand for the wiz CCP will do exactly that. I personally don't agree with how CCP handled the Mittani and I personally don't approve of Wiz's behavior either but in the end he's the most victimized by all of this. Hope that CCP will do right by him. They kind'a screwed him over. Agreed in full. In the end, EVE is about having fun... not about the politics, the drama or the meta. http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught. He didn't step down because of his actions. He stepped down to benefit Goonswarm. He didn't apologize because he meant it. He apologized to save face.
RougeOperator Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance 572	Posted - 2012.03.29 09:40:00 - [63] - Quote Xander Riggs wrote: Wukulo wrote: J3ssica Alba wrote: Once it went public, besides being live streamed all over the interwebz, and worse into the gaming news sites it could only escalate from there. If it hit BBC, CNN, Fox, MSNBC and all the others then the ** would really have hit the fan. Therefore CCP was forced to deal with it in a public manner. ""Private" manner would have been taken as hiding what happened. Lets break that logic down. Something bad happened that we don't want to draw attention to. So to solve it, we did something that draws attention to it so we could make ourselves look like we're not involved. But in doing that, we could make the situation worse and since we acted, we're now involved. It's a catch 22. It would've been better to handle it quietly, have a lawyer or 20 near by. Document everything, CYA and move on. They could have just said 'Not cool. Don't do anything to this guy. Drop that .' and been done with it. They filled these guys with booze, approved all the slides, and then put them on a live, unedited feed. It was already simmering down. All CCP had to do was say 'DON'T.' and the situation would have been resolved. they'd have drawn a line in the sand and set a clear precident that the behavior was unacceptable in the future and established a point of reference if future punishment was needed. Instead, they knee-jerked it and knocked over the coffee table. Yeah cause the goons wouldnt have run screaming to the forums about censorship. OH WAIT thats exactly what they would do. And mittens would talk about how evil they were for doing that for froth up his swarm. And how they have to show CCP a lesson. Goons believe the stupidest easy to see through propaganda. They were never hard, they are just a swarm. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á**
Glarealot Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 23	Posted - 2012.03.29 09:40:00 - [64] - Quote No, Mittani made him a target by calling him out in his stepping down thread saying it was ALL The Wis' fault he had to step down cause he didn't find the apology "sincere" enough. Mittani knew exactly what he was doing when he wrote that. Don't try to act stupid like you don't either.
baltec1 934	Posted - 2012.03.29 09:45:00 - [65] - Quote Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: baltec1 wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: Um no, the mittens put a target on the guys back. And then you lot went and put a planet sized target on his back. What you are doing here is saying "if you do not let us bully him this way, we are going to do something even worse". That is a classic example of how mobs behave in bullying incidents. It is called "holding hostages". In school bullying cases, it usually manifests in the victim pleading for adults not to interfere, because "it will only get worse". You are not trying to hold hostage the victim; you are trying to hold hostage the whole community. You are trying to bully us into not opposing bullying by threatening us with more bullying. It's not going to work. Except that this is not bullying. Bullying is pickingon someone for months/years. This was a single horrible drunken joke that was white knited by people such as yourself who fail to grasp the concept of a joke and think everything siad should be taken seriously even if it is said by a sloshed guy in a wizard hat. The simple truth of all of this because of you people and your campain, Wis is now known across the internet as that suicidal guy and now stands a much greater chance of getting harrassed by others. What you lot did to both wis and mittani is far far worse than the original crime.
Xander Riggs The Scope Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2012.03.29 09:47:00 - [66] - Quote RougeOperator wrote: Xander Riggs wrote: Wukulo wrote: J3ssica Alba wrote: Once it went public, besides being live streamed all over the interwebz, and worse into the gaming news sites it could only escalate from there. If it hit BBC, CNN, Fox, MSNBC and all the others then the ** would really have hit the fan. Therefore CCP was forced to deal with it in a public manner. ""Private" manner would have been taken as hiding what happened. Lets break that logic down. Something bad happened that we don't want to draw attention to. So to solve it, we did something that draws attention to it so we could make ourselves look like we're not involved. But in doing that, we could make the situation worse and since we acted, we're now involved. It's a catch 22. It would've been better to handle it quietly, have a lawyer or 20 near by. Document everything, CYA and move on. They could have just said 'Not cool. Don't do anything to this guy. Drop that **.' and been done with it. They filled these guys with booze, approved all the slides, and then put them on a live, unedited feed. It was already simmering down. All CCP had to do was say 'DON'T.' and the situation would have been resolved. they'd have drawn a line in the sand and set a clear precident that the behavior was unacceptable in the future and established a point of reference if future punishment was needed. Instead, they knee-jerked it and knocked over the coffee table. Yeah cause the goons wouldnt have run screaming to the forums about censorship. OH WAIT thats exactly what they would do. And mittens would talk about how evil they were for doing that for froth up his swarm. And how they have to show CCP a lesson. Goons believe the stupidest easy to see through propaganda. They were never hard, they are just a swarm. You're probably right, but this wouldn't be nearly the 'scandal' its been made out to be. CCP would have established the line not to cross not only for Mittani and the goons but for future CSM members, and they could have discreetly kept an eye on the miner. It wouldn't be political drama, it wouldn't have been spammed to ezine inboxes. CCP could have definitvely said they put their foot down, and anything further would get whoever crossed the line nailed to the wall. Concise, clear cut, and simple. Easy to argue, even if CNN or MSNBC did, by some miracle, pick it up. All they had to do was say STOP IT, and they would have made their point. CCP played this cramped, and it cramped everyone reacting to it. They were passive-aggresive in their handling, and it cost them PR where it should have been cut and dry. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."
Wukulo Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn 21	Posted - 2012.03.29 09:51:00 - [67] - Quote Xander Riggs wrote: Wukulo wrote: J3ssica Alba wrote: Once it went public, besides being live streamed all over the interwebz, and worse into the gaming news sites it could only escalate from there. If it hit BBC, CNN, Fox, MSNBC and all the others then the ** would really have hit the fan. Therefore CCP was forced to deal with it in a public manner. ""Private" manner would have been taken as hiding what happened. Lets break that logic down. Something bad happened that we don't want to draw attention to. So to solve it, we did something that draws attention to it so we could make ourselves look like we're not involved. But in doing that, we could make the situation worse and since we acted, we're now involved. It's a catch 22. It would've been better to handle it quietly, have a lawyer or 20 near by. Document everything, CYA and move on. They could have just said 'Not cool. Don't do anything to this guy. Drop that **.' and been done with it. They filled these guys with booze, approved all the slides, and then put them on a live, unedited feed. It was already simmering down. All CCP had to do was say 'DON'T.' and the situation would have been resolved. they'd have drawn a line in the sand and set a clear precident that the behavior was unacceptable in the future and established a point of reference if future punishment was needed. Instead, they knee-jerked it and knocked over the coffee table. Exactly. CCP went from being the cool company that wants to throw a party for their fans to being the company that has lawyers and stuff in a heart beat. A party fowl was escalated to an international incident in a heart beat. CCP can't have it's cake and eat it to. They're either the company that gets drunk with their fans or the company that protects it self in every way possible. What ever happened to fearless? lol. Posted on main because I'm not a coward like the rest of you.
Raiykjab Federal Navy Academy 16	Posted - 2012.03.29 09:57:00 - [68] - Quote Wukulo wrote: Exactly. CCP went from being the cool company that wants to throw a party for their fans to being the company that has lawyers and stuff in a heart beat. A party fowl was escalated to an international incident in a heart beat. CCP can't have it's cake and eat it to. They're either the company that gets drunk with their fans or the company that protects it self in every way possible. What ever happened to fearless? lol. Sorry that's bs. He submitted the presentation to ccp and added the WIS afterward. CCP isn't to blame. Eve has miners?!
Xander Riggs The Scope Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2012.03.29 10:02:00 - [69] - Quote Raiykjab wrote: Wukulo wrote: Exactly. CCP went from being the cool company that wants to throw a party for their fans to being the company that has lawyers and stuff in a heart beat. A party fowl was escalated to an international incident in a heart beat. CCP can't have it's cake and eat it to. They're either the company that gets drunk with their fans or the company that protects it self in every way possible. What ever happened to fearless? lol. Sorry that's bs. He submitted the presentation to ccp and added the WIS afterward. CCP isn't to blame. Even assuming that was the case, hey could have acted like it was a party foul and pulled him aside later. It would have been a simple matter to drag him by the ear into a broom closet and say "You do that ** again, you're banned from the game, ousted from the CSM, and removed from future elections. We don't want that ** and we'll f-ing crucify you if you try it again." Then they make nice-nice for the cameras, and the only thing against them is the word of someone who, obviously, no one is willing to trust for even an instant. They should just hire me for PR. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."
Wukulo Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn 21	Posted - 2012.03.29 10:02:00 - [70] - Quote Raiykjab wrote: Sorry that's bs. He submitted the presentation to ccp and added the WIS afterward. CCP isn't to blame. Link your source? Posted on main because I'm not a coward like the rest of you.
Raiykjab Federal Navy Academy 16	Posted - 2012.03.29 10:07:00 - [71] - Quote Wukulo wrote: Raiykjab wrote: Sorry that's bs. He submitted the presentation to ccp and added the WIS afterward. CCP isn't to blame. Link your source? Official dev blog : http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28576 Quote: CCP requested that all panel PowerPoint presentations and discussion topics be handed in beforehand for approval. Regrettably, the offending comments were made during an unscripted Q&A session after the main presentations. Eve has miners?!
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 796	Posted - 2012.03.29 10:11:00 - [72] - Quote I have a feeling that The Wis will find more than enough people to come to his aid. If you're ever in Domain or the Bleaks and need a hand with anything mate, give me a shout. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Wukulo Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn 21	Posted - 2012.03.29 10:20:00 - [73] - Quote Raiykjab wrote: Wukulo wrote: Raiykjab wrote: Sorry that's bs. He submitted the presentation to ccp and added the WIS afterward. CCP isn't to blame. Link your source? Official dev blog : http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28576 Quote: CCP requested that all panel PowerPoint presentations and discussion topics be handed in beforehand for approval. Regrettably, the offending comments were made during an unscripted Q&A session after the main presentations. killer, thanks. Posted on main because I'm not a coward like the rest of you.
Wukulo Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn 21	Posted - 2012.03.29 10:23:00 - [74] - Quote Raiykjab wrote: Wukulo wrote: Raiykjab wrote: Sorry that's bs. He submitted the presentation to ccp and added the WIS afterward. CCP isn't to blame. Link your source? Official dev blog : http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28576 Quote: CCP requested that all panel PowerPoint presentations and discussion topics be handed in beforehand for approval. Regrettably, the offending comments were made during an unscripted Q&A session after the main presentations. Ok, so after reading your link. What you said is VERY misleading. There is nothing about anything being added to the presentations. In fact it very specifically says that the comments were made afterwards during an unscripted QA session. There is no mention of anything be added to the presentation after CCP's review. Posted on main because I'm not a coward like the rest of you.
Vampir Draken Street Birds 2	Posted - 2012.03.29 10:26:00 - [75] - Quote Davor wrote: MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote: Wukulo wrote: He made a mistake. Owned up to, apologized, extended the olive branch to the dude he did wrong. And then threw a tantrum and went on a tirade asking his legion of idiots to use the game as a tool to grief because of **** he brought upon himself. You forgot that part. It was already planned, genius. We're actually delaying it until mittens is free. In which case you are using the ban to harass a player for something that has happened outside the game. I am pretty sure that sort of harassment is also against EVE's EULA. Personally I think Goonswarm players should be extremely careful about this and write it off to experience and strictly leave the guy alone, get on with playing the game. Possibilities of pursuing this course of action may even have repercussions inside the Goonswarm federation. Tread very carefully guys.
baltec1 934	Posted - 2012.03.29 10:28:00 - [76] - Quote Vampir Draken wrote: Davor wrote: MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote: Wukulo wrote: He made a mistake. Owned up to, apologized, extended the olive branch to the dude he did wrong. And then threw a tantrum and went on a tirade asking his legion of idiots to use the game as a tool to grief because of **** he brought upon himself. You forgot that part. It was already planned, genius. We're actually delaying it until mittens is free. In which case you are using the ban to harass a player for something that has happened outside the game. I am pretty sure that sort of harassment is also against EVE's EULA. Personally I think Goonswarm players should be extremely careful about this and write it off to experience and strictly leave the guy alone, get on with playing the game. Possibilities of pursuing this course of action may even have repercussions inside the Goonswarm federation. Tread very carefully guys. Jita is not a player...
Xander Riggs The Scope Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2012.03.29 10:32:00 - [77] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Vampir Draken wrote: Davor wrote: MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote: Wukulo wrote: He made a mistake. Owned up to, apologized, extended the olive branch to the dude he did wrong. And then threw a tantrum and went on a tirade asking his legion of idiots to use the game as a tool to grief because of **** he brought upon himself. You forgot that part. It was already planned, genius. We're actually delaying it until mittens is free. In which case you are using the ban to harass a player for something that has happened outside the game. I am pretty sure that sort of harassment is also against EVE's EULA. Personally I think Goonswarm players should be extremely careful about this and write it off to experience and strictly leave the guy alone, get on with playing the game. Possibilities of pursuing this course of action may even have repercussions inside the Goonswarm federation. Tread very carefully guys. Jita is not a player... Well, it has been rumored that people are NOW planning on going after the miner in response to CCP's poor handling of the situation. But, you know how that is, rumors gonna rumor. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."
baltec1 934	Posted - 2012.03.29 10:33:00 - [78] - Quote Xander Riggs wrote: Well, it has been rumored that people are NOW planning on going after the miner in response to CCP's poor handling of the situation. But, you know how that is, rumors gonna rumor. Well I can assure you that goons are far too busy getting ready for the 28th.
Xander Riggs The Scope Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2012.03.29 10:38:00 - [79] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Xander Riggs wrote: Well, it has been rumored that people are NOW planning on going after the miner in response to CCP's poor handling of the situation. But, you know how that is, rumors gonna rumor. Well I can assure you that goons are far too busy getting ready for the 28th. I'm honestly looking forward to this. The Ice interdiction shut down my mining and bummed me out, but it was still fun as hell. I hope you're raising the bar for this one...just play it safe with regard to the rules so CCP doesn't go angry dad on the lot of us. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."
Vampir Draken Street Birds 2	Posted - 2012.03.29 10:45:00 - [80] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Vampir Draken wrote: Davor wrote: MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote: Wukulo wrote: He made a mistake. Owned up to, apologized, extended the olive branch to the dude he did wrong. And then threw a tantrum and went on a tirade asking his legion of idiots to use the game as a tool to grief because of **** he brought upon himself. You forgot that part. It was already planned, genius. We're actually delaying it until mittens is free. In which case you are using the ban to harass a player for something that has happened outside the game. I am pretty sure that sort of harassment is also against EVE's EULA. Personally I think Goonswarm players should be extremely careful about this and write it off to experience and strictly leave the guy alone, get on with playing the game. Possibilities of pursuing this course of action may even have repercussions inside the Goonswarm federation. Tread very carefully guys. Jita is not a player... Your right, my apologies, I read it as others did here and thought it was The Wiz they were planning to enact revenge on. My bad. It may be a good idea though to let some dust lie for a while even after Mittens return to let the furore settle down before being too outlandish with new and already planned attacks.
Darrow Hill Vodka and Vice 51	Posted - 2012.03.29 10:55:00 - [81] - Quote But but but... He's the Wis, and nobody beats him!
baltec1 935	Posted - 2012.03.29 10:56:00 - [82] - Quote Vampir Draken wrote: Your right, my apologies, I read it as others did here and thought it was The Wiz they were planning to enact revenge on. My bad. It may be a good idea though to let some dust lie for a while even after Mittens return to let the furore settle down before being too outlandish with new and already planned attacks. Oh this has been planned for some time now. It is rather suprising it wasn't leaked before now.
Starcaller Dredg 1st Contact Fade 2 Black 14	Posted - 2012.03.29 11:04:00 - [83] - Quote Look around the forums. The Goons are distressed at most, and just trolling because they want the attention at the very least. Either way, Mittani isn't sorry for his actions, and his troupe of douchebags are going to attempt to spin this every chance they get. http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught. He didn't step down because of his actions. He stepped down to benefit Goonswarm. He didn't apologize because he meant it. He apologized to save face.
Solstice Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 1455	Posted - 2012.03.29 11:15:00 - [84] - Quote shakes head in disbelief .) CCP knows this. .) This guy has plenty of accounts .) CCP helps him anyway. .) You're not smart enough to realize the obvious. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire
Mr Celsius Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2012.03.29 12:40:00 - [85] - Quote :facepalm: Did all you guys just start playing in the last few years or something? You know were on iteration 6 of the Matrix right!.
DonHel Aliastra Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2012.03.29 12:55:00 - [86] - Quote what the hell is this crap give the wis a new account, and free skill points to get out of harms way... this is frikin eve damnit! The dude had 22 mackinaws accounts.. last time i checked anyone with a ship that could blow **** up would want to blow up 23 mackinaws and and have a field day about it. The guy has alot of isk now at his disposal, he dont need a new account.. he needs you guys to just stfu , your furthering his spotlight that you so hate... He has many options that he himself can do to solve his dillemma you anti mittani fake pro wis bastards have caused him. And for those who say mittani and csm shouldnt have been drunk... did you not see how totally obliterated the ccp guy was who closed the panel and led off with the questions? looked pretty damn trashed to me
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari 116	Posted - 2012.03.29 13:16:00 - [87] - Quote Wukulo wrote: Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: Wait? Are you saying you guys were already planning to grief the victim when Mittens apologized? Ok obvious troll is obvious but.... for the record. No I was saying Jita will burn op was planed already and is not "revenge" I wasn't trolling, I was honestly confused, as this is the Wis thread, not the Jita burning thread and the quotes were not clear. Thanks for clarifying, cheers. :)
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari 116	Posted - 2012.03.29 13:20:00 - [88] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Except that this is not bullying. Bullying is pickingon someone for months/years. This was a single horrible drunken joke that was white knited by people such as yourself who fail to grasp the concept of a joke and think everything siad should be taken seriously even if it is said by a sloshed guy in a wizard hat. The simple truth of all of this because of you people and your campain, Wis is now known across the internet as that suicidal guy and now stands a much greater chance of getting harrassed by others. What you lot did to both wis and mittani is far far worse than the original crime. You might be correct that the initial incident was not bullying. However, The Mittani bringing it up in front of an audience and pointing and laughing counts as bullying, I think, and people in this thread are now threatening to bully him, because The Mittani was not allowed to incite people to doing it without consequences. So close enough if you actually care about prevention of bullying instead of making yourself look good despite coming too close to it.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari 116	Posted - 2012.03.29 13:22:00 - [89] - Quote And one final question: if CCP indeed gave The Wis a new account under which to play anonymously, do you guys think they would TELL YOU SO ON THE FORUMS? Maybe they did, maybe they didn't, but I am pretty sure we are not supposed to know either way.
Ciar Meara Virtus Vindice 569	Posted - 2012.03.29 13:26:00 - [90] - Quote Xander Riggs wrote: Raiykjab wrote: Wukulo wrote: Exactly. CCP went from being the cool company that wants to throw a party for their fans to being the company that has lawyers and stuff in a heart beat. A party fowl was escalated to an international incident in a heart beat. CCP can't have it's cake and eat it to. They're either the company that gets drunk with their fans or the company that protects it self in every way possible. What ever happened to fearless? lol. Sorry that's bs. He submitted the presentation to ccp and added the WIS afterward. CCP isn't to blame. Even assuming that was the case, hey could have acted like it was a party foul and pulled him aside later. It would have been a simple matter to drag him by the ear into a broom closet and say "You do that ** again, you're banned from the game, ousted from the CSM, and removed from future elections. We don't want that and we'll f-ing crucify you if you try it again." Then they make nice-nice for the cameras, and the only thing against them is the word of someone who, obviously, no one is willing to trust for even an instant. They should just hire me for PR. 1: That was the case look at the video 2: Once it was aired the cat was out of the box, you can't not air it 3: People from the audience and the stream complained about the tone of the presentations before it even finished. 4: CCP invited alot of media to this and streamed it to more people then ever before, they needed to make stand because The Mittani, having put himself on the radar of gaming news a few months before would be a juicy piece of news, or at least an interesting blurb 5: The Mittani crossed the line, the actions taken by CCP where the only ones they had. 6: The Mittani blaming "enemies" for his own stupid ** is very, very sad. 7: Sunday is april 1st, lets hope that this is all a bad joke. After all he was wearing a wizards hat and posted about himself being a roleplayer! - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]

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