The only stupid thing ccp did was live stream a bunch of drunks. That's all.

I'll back you there. Maybe a 10 min delay next year for some quick edits would be bright?

I'll back you there. Maybe a 10 min delay next year for some quick edits would be bright?

Yeah. Tbfh I don't get what ccp was trying to accomplish... Huge gathering of people,prospective business partners looking on and they live stream a Jaeger bombed shitfest.

Goonie leader did it all by himself. CCP just CYA action. "Deal with it"

All these threads are sure to help.

Maybe 1 day delay.. I mean, some people might not of been able to catch on to the relevance of those comments.

That's the thing. They over reacted because they were afraid its going to make the public spot light and reflect badly on their company. Sony is looking on as the release of DUST creeps up (which is btw a really huge business deal as it is the first AAA free to play shooter on a console, ever).

If anything they've brought more attention to this whole issue and I wouldn't be surprised if now it actually DOES make the light of day on a news site that matters and not some crappy blog that get's zero hits.

I can't believe how colossally stupid the decision making has been at CCP.

Regardless of your side in this matter this dude has been brought to the for front of Eve's space drama. If you're pro goon you're probably not to fond of this guy. If you're a Mittani hater you're probably pretty fond of the dude.

Either way he's in the spot light, probably way more than he wants to be.

So. Long story short, you took a situation that involved a potentially unbalanced individual and decide the best thing to do was make a very public controversial decision that just brings more attention to an already troubled person. You painted a target on his back.

GOOD MOVE. Your continued lack of tact or good PR sense is amazing. This is probably worse than how poorly you handled the Aurum roll out.

More entertaining than playing EVE. Problem?

Alternatively we could have ambassadors on the CSM able to act like adults perhaps?

Alternatively we could have ambassadors on the CSM able to act like adults perhaps?

So adult human beings never make mistakes? Adults never make mistakes and sincerely apologize for them? Dont worry though, at this rate, the only thing that CSM will be representing is the political and marketing agenda of CCP.

Yes, because flying off the handle like a complete baby with the decision by CCP after the due diligance he afforded them is a responsible way to act and of course validates his apology? The very idea that he now wants to enact revenge shows how sorry he truely is.

He made a mistake. Owned up to, apologized, extended the olive branch to the dude he did wrong.

I haven't undocked in days.

And then threw a tantrum and went on a tirade asking his legion of idiots to use the game as a tool to grief because of **** he brought upon himself. You forgot that part.

And then threw a tantrum and went on a tirade asking his legion of idiots to use the game as a tool to grief because of **** he brought upon himself. You forgot that part.

Yes, because flying off the handle like a complete baby with the decision by CCP after the due diligance he afforded them is a responsible way to act and of course validates his apology? The very idea that he now wants to enact revenge shows how sorry he truely is.

"I didn't get my way, waah", is for 5 year old politics. Not "owning" the decision at all.

A fair view.

The spin is that it is a "test" of the CCP tolerance for the sandbox.

Personally I'm always more worried about someone calm and calculating than someone in a rage.

TM doesn't sound like someone in a rage.

No. I didn't forget anything you made it up out of context because you want this to be all about how Mitanni screwed up.

I was there for that broadcast. I actually have context. None of that stuff is in reaction to his banning and has been in the works for weeks. Well before fan fest. Cite your source or STFU.

Yes. I made it up, apparently.

If you're going to defend him you are going to need a different excuse.

Yeah, you did. I just clicked on that link and searched for the word revenge. Not there. I can keep making your points look ridiculous if you want but if you can't form a well reasoned supportable point I wouldn't recommend you keep posting.

It's not a fair view actually. He's just going with what he heard and not what is actually happening. Everyone is throwing the word "Revenge" around as if they actually heard Mittani say it.

The Jita thing has been planned for weeks, well before the fanfest.

So... if revenge is some how in the works. I welcome some body showing me evidence of it. Otherwise you're just making it up to support your agenda.

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Now try reading it. Or keep crying.

Whatever.

Sorry, a better thing to say would be - an understandable interpretation given current events/forum posts.

Not one that I subscribe to as I listened to the SoTG address as was linked on the forum earlier.

I was not aware that this was planned before the FanFest, and to me it's not relevant when it was planned, the objective is clear as it as been stated by TM. To test that CCP is still "the old" CCP.

Will Wiz be a target? Sure. Mittani has shown us that there are people out there who are willing to prey on those that cannot defend themselves. However, with Mittani's apology, the pilot is now 10b richer so any hits he takes will be able to be cleaned up nicely until people lose interest.

Honestly, I won't blame CCP because this isn't their fault. I'm a guitarist and play gigs on the weekends with a steady band. Let me draw a few parallels:

1. I am invited by the venue to appear and perform a service.

2. The venue will supply me amenities - usually alcohol - for my service.

3. If I break the venue rules, set fire to the stage or otherwise perform the service I agreed to perform in an unsatisfactory or offensive manner, I won't get paid or asked back, but the blame is on me and not the venue for allowing me to perform.


This model can be applied to Fanfest. I've said it before in other threads, but the blame is completely on the panel for their actions. When you give a bunch of douchebags alcohol and a microphone, this is EXACTLY what happens. The EVE Uni rep was stellar. The rest are a prime example as to why the stereotype of "Gamers = Douchebags" is still valid.

Don't blame CCP for Mittani's action. Don't blame them for the open bar. Blame Mittani's premeditation and the goons around him that reinforced it. Band together. Eradicate Goonswarm.

Already did also like I said, i was actually there when he was speaking.

Still not sure what you think is there. Couldn't even find "Reciprocity" or "Reprisal" or "Vengeance"

Would you like to make something else up about what happened?

Nevermind. It's pointless.

Targeting the wis can now easily claimed as a criminal offence.
Even if I were an all-knowing hate machine hax0r we r legion hurr durr sa forum btard I'd still be recognising the stupidity of being stupid today.

The Mittani did this to himself and he is now dealing with it.

The so called 1058 need to understand that votes do not make you unaccountable. Learn from your leaders mistake. Don't warship him.

I can't believe how colossally stupid the decision making has been at CCP.

Regardless of your side in this matter this dude has been brought to the for front of Eve's space drama. If you're pro goon you're probably not to fond of this guy. If you're a Mittani hater you're probably pretty fond of the dude.

Either way he's in the spot light, probably way more than he wants to be.

So. Long story short, you took a situation that involved a potentially unbalanced individual and decide the best thing to do was make a very public controversial decision that just brings more attention to an already troubled person. You painted a target on his back.

GOOD MOVE. Your continued lack of tact or good PR sense is amazing. This is probably worse than how poorly you handled the Aurum roll out.

OK,

Not saying you are wrong, but this is just my view.

(I've posted this before BTW)

If I invited you to a work site, let you get drunk then let you wander into the crowd with a nail gun - who would be at fault when someone lost an eye?

What the MT said was disgraceful. That CCP facilitated it and then has tried to wriggle out of the responsibility with Corporate "Suit" talk is a disgrace.

I don't think you are wrong - as I said this is just my view.

What I would suggest though is that only CCP have the resources to fix this to appease all views and it's not being done. And what they are doing is being done in a VERY ham fisted way.

So the right thing to do would have been to hide it under the carpet and pretend it didnt happen so as not to hurt the feelings of ~internettoughguys~ who now feel obliged to hunt down the victim. lol

Fanfest is over. There is very little they can do now. They can't control what happens in-game for obvious reasons, and they already gave Mittani a 30 day vacation from EVE. They can go public with an apology but honestly I think that would make the situation worse. This is Mittani's problem, not CCP's, and I don't agree that they should help clean up Mittani's mess. Honestly I'd say ban him for a year. The Wiz should be offered a new account or character and a free skill boost to ensure he is removed from harm, but other than that, it's up to the community to demand a more grown-up group of representatives.

I never said anything about that. Hiding it under the carpet and handling things in private and with some tact are different things.

I doubt he is going to be a target. Our attention span is too short for that.

It was already planned, genius. We're actually delaying it until mittens is free.

Once it went public, besides being live streamed all over the interwebz, and worse into the gaming news sites it could only escalate from there. If it hit BBC, CNN, Fox, MSNBC and all the others then the **** would really have hit the fan. Therefore CCP was forced to deal with it in a public manner. ""Private" manner would have been taken as hiding what happened.

Wait? Are you saying you guys were already planning to grief the victim when Mittens apologized?

So adult human beings never make mistakes? Adults never make mistakes and sincerely apologize for them? Dont worry though, at this rate, the only thing that CSM will be representing is the political and marketing agenda of CCP.

Um no, the mittens put a target on the guys back.

Alternatively we could have ambassadors on the CSM able to act like adults perhaps?

And then you lot went and put a planet sized target on his back.

Lets break that logic down.

Something bad happened that we don't want to draw attention to.

So to solve it, we did something that draws attention to it so we could make ourselves look like we're not involved.

But in doing that, we could make the situation worse and since we acted, we're now involved.

It's a catch 22. It would've been better to handle it quietly, have a lawyer or 20 near by. Document everything, CYA and move on.

I hope if this whole situation gets out of hand for the wiz CCP will do exactly that. I personally don't agree with how CCP handled the Mittani and I personally don't approve of Wiz's behavior either but in the end he's the most victimized by all of this.

Hope that CCP will do right by him. They kind'a screwed him over.

They could have just said 'Not cool. Don't do anything to this guy. Drop that ****.' and been done with it. They filled these guys with booze, approved all the slides, and then put them on a live, unedited feed.

It was already simmering down. All CCP had to do was say 'DON'T.' and the situation would have been resolved. they'd have drawn a line in the sand and set a clear precident that the behavior was unacceptable in the future and established a point of reference if future punishment was needed.

Instead, they knee-jerked it and knocked over the coffee table.

What you are doing here is saying "if you do not let us bully him this way, we are going to do something even worse". That is a classic example of how mobs behave in bullying incidents. It is called "holding hostages". In school bullying cases, it usually manifests in the victim pleading for adults not to interfere, because "it will only get worse". You are not trying to hold hostage the victim; you are trying to hold hostage the whole community. You are trying to bully us into not opposing bullying by threatening us with more bullying.

It's not going to work.

Yeah cause the goons wouldnt have run screaming to the forums about censorship.

OH WAIT thats exactly what they would do. And mittens would talk about how evil they were for doing that for froth up his swarm. And how they have to show CCP a lesson.

Goons believe the stupidest easy to see through propaganda.

They were never hard, they are just a swarm.

They could have just said 'Not cool. Don't do anything to this guy. Drop that ****.' and been done with it. They filled these guys with booze, approved all the slides, and then put them on a live, unedited feed.

It was already simmering down. All CCP had to do was say 'DON'T.' and the situation would have been resolved. they'd have drawn a line in the sand and set a clear precident that the behavior was unacceptable in the future and established a point of reference if future punishment was needed.

Instead, they knee-jerked it and knocked over the coffee table.

Exactly. CCP went from being the cool company that wants to throw a party for their fans to being the company that has lawyers and stuff in a heart beat.

A party fowl was escalated to an international incident in a heart beat. CCP can't have it's cake and eat it to. They're either the company that gets drunk with their fans or the company that protects it self in every way possible. What ever happened to fearless? lol.

Sorry that's bs. He submitted the presentation to ccp and added the WIS afterward. CCP isn't to blame.

Sorry that's bs. He submitted the presentation to ccp and added the WIS afterward. CCP isn't to blame.

Link your source?

CCP requested that all panel PowerPoint presentations and discussion topics be handed in beforehand for approval. Regrettably, the offending comments were made during an unscripted Q&A session after the main presentations.

Official dev blog : http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28576

Official dev blog : http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28576

It was already planned, genius. We're actually delaying it until mittens is free.

In which case you are using the ban to harass a player for something that has happened outside the game. I am pretty sure that sort of harassment is also against EVE's EULA.
Personally I think Goonswarm players should be extremely careful about this and write it off to experience and strictly leave the guy alone, get on with playing the game.
Possibilities of pursuing this course of action may even have repercussions inside the Goonswarm federation.
Tread very carefully guys.

Jita is not a player...

Well, it has been rumored that people are NOW planning on going after the miner in response to CCP's poor handling of the situation. But, you know how that is, rumors gonna rumor.

Well I can assure you that goons are far too busy getting ready for the 28th.

Jita is not a player...

Your right, my apologies, I read it as others did here and thought it was The Wiz they were planning to enact revenge on. My bad.

It may be a good idea though to let some dust lie for a while even after Mittens return to let the furore settle down before being too outlandish with new and already planned attacks.

Ok obvious troll is obvious but.... for the record. No I was saying Jita will burn op was planed already and is not "revenge"

Except that this is not bullying. Bullying is pickingon someone for months/years. This was a single horrible drunken joke that was white knited by people such as yourself who fail to grasp the concept of a joke and think everything siad should be taken seriously even if it is said by a sloshed guy in a wizard hat. The simple truth of all of this because of you people and your campain, Wis is now known across the internet as that suicidal guy and now stands a much greater chance of getting harrassed by others.

What you lot did to both wis and mittani is far far worse than the original crime.

Even assuming that was the case, hey could have acted like it was a party foul and pulled him aside later. It would have been a simple matter to drag him by the ear into a broom closet and say "You do that **** again, you're banned from the game, ousted from the CSM, and removed from future elections. We don't want that **** and we'll f-ing crucify you if you try it again."

Then they make nice-nice for the cameras, and the only thing against them is the word of someone who, obviously, no one is willing to trust for even an instant. They should just hire me for PR.

Wait so if this Jita burn thing was planned before any of this crap went down, what exactly was it for? Or just a random act of e-thuggery?

I can't believe how colossally stupid the decision making has been at CCP.

Regardless of your side in this matter this dude has been brought to the for front of Eve's space drama. If you're pro goon you're probably not to fond of this guy. If you're a Mittani hater you're probably pretty fond of the dude.

Either way he's in the spot light, probably way more than he wants to be.

So. Long story short, you took a situation that involved a potentially unbalanced individual and decide the best thing to do was make a very public controversial decision that just brings more attention to an already troubled person. You painted a target on his back.

GOOD MOVE. Your continued lack of tact or good PR sense is amazing. This is probably worse than how poorly you handled the Aurum roll out.