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Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics Bringers of Death.
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Posted - 2012.03.30 02:50:00 -
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I never understood what some people have against Jews. Ever been to a Jewish neighborhood? No loud music, no droopy pants, no loud music, no pit bulls, no welfare recipients, no crime. Can't say that for... others.  |

Mr M
Agony Unleashed
159
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Posted - 2012.03.30 02:52:00 -
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I find slurs based on sex, race, religion or sexual orientation distasteful and I can't see the "fun" in offending people.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1389
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Posted - 2012.03.30 02:57:00 -
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I've never been very fond of it being thrown around casually to indicate anyone that might be considered fixated on making money.
It's a bit odd actually, maybe it's my age, but if you point out that using Jew in that fashion is in fact a slur they respond with complete surprise. It's become such a standard phrase among many groups they don't even think about it as actually being offensive any more.
Maybe, in a way, that's a good thing... as it's really the intention of it's use that matters more than the word itself. Jew, as a word, is often used with no bad connotation at all. It's when it is used to indicate an extremely greedy person that it becomes somewhat offensive... and if the person using it isn't really making the mental connection to actual Jewish people "shrugs".
Still, it annoys me. Primarily because it lacks class... and pretty much puts a big "I'm ignorant" sign on the back of the person using it in that way.
I will say that banning people for it's use in that fashion is something I can't get behind... no more so than I would support banning stupid people from the game. Even idiots should be able to play. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Kolya Medz
Kolya Inc.
62
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Posted - 2012.03.30 02:58:00 -
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Politically correct people never cease to amaze me. Either they have a defective sense of humour? Or they're just suppressing it?
As a proud "sand n****r", I enjoy using the word "kraut" when referring to German friends/friends who look German. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1391
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Posted - 2012.03.30 03:05:00 -
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Kolya Medz wrote:Politically correct people never cease to amaze me. Either they have a defective sense of humour? Or they're just suppressing it?
As a proud "sand n****r", I enjoy using the word "kraut" when referring to German friends/friends who look German.
How you wish to refer to yourself is your business, as is your own self image.
If the nature of your friendship with a German buddy is comfortable with using derogatory terms when addressing each other (as is often the case and perfectly fine), no one cares.
However don't be surprised if people you don't know on that level take offense if you use a derogatory term to describe them. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Lao Dangtze
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 03:06:00 -
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So many stupid people in this game. |

Keen Fallsword
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.30 03:11:00 -
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Well thing is that many players is from USA and Yeah ... In most for them there is nothing wrong with it.. They cant see anything wrong with calling someone **** Or jew .. So Yeah
There was awesome idea to make USA subforum :) i think its good. |

Woo Glin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
512
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Posted - 2012.03.30 03:11:00 -
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How long until the ADL declares CCP a hate group? |

Famble
Three's a Crowd
308
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Posted - 2012.03.30 03:13:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:Famble wrote:Know what's worse than bigotry? People who whine about bigotry. Well. That wins the award for the absolute stupidest comment of the day.
Aren't you late for a rally somewhere?
If anyone ever looks at you and says, "Hold my beer, watch this,"-á you're probably going to want to pay attention. |

Ische Qou
Ische Shipbuilding Corporation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 03:22:00 -
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Those who wish to curb free speech should be enslaved |

Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
187
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Posted - 2012.03.30 03:23:00 -
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Ische Qou wrote:Those who wish to curb free speech should be enslaved 
If I said I thought you meant "euthanized" would that be too soon?
He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Dersk
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
49
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Posted - 2012.03.30 03:35:00 -
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Irony.
A lot of people, particularly in large alliances like Goonswarm, use words like "Jew" in reference to someone making money so often that it is spoken without any consideration for or regard to race, culture, or ethnicity anymore. Fleets are formed with racially derogatory names without any thought given to their historically insulting uses.
Those words have devolved into little more than curse words, colorful metaphors, expletives, or whatever they go by nowadays.
You have not realized that they don't care about color, race, noses, or freckles. The targets of their slurs are those that let the word brush an exposed nerve, inciting the outrage and sensitivity honoure that we see in this thread.
Goons, and those of their type, don't stop to think about scamming you out of a rorqual, killing your high-sec mining hulk with some catalysts, or throwing "bad" words in any venue they can. They don't do it for points, money, or fame.
They do it so they can point and laugh at you when you get mad.
Congratulations. You made a goon smile.
Make sure to send a goon an email complaining about their language, so that it can be passed around a dozen alliances as they mock you. |

Lord Orefinger
Real Life Super Heros Inc. Caped Vigilantes
5
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Posted - 2012.03.30 03:36:00 -
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I'm a massive, money grubbing, circumcised, Jew and I am not afraid to be who I am. Why does it bother you that our people have a stereotype to have amassed money and wealth?
Back into in the day Jews HAD to go into money and finance or they really didn't have a lot of options for keeping Kosher, among other issues I wont get into here; If you were Jewish you would know your Jewish history better... but you are not you are a troll. |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1101
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Posted - 2012.03.30 03:39:00 -
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On a serious note, and as others have said, it not the words so much as the intent. Myself and my two best friends of twenty years are the Happy Hindu, the Krazy Kraut and the Looney Limey. I'm the Krazy Kraut.
It's just fun things to call each other as friends. If some dickwad said the same thing to one of them, they might have a bloody nose, depending on how they said it.
If some complete racist troglodyte decides to yammer in a derogatory way about certain races on the internet, I don't feel angry. I feel pity.
You can't legislate against stupidity and ignorance. You can only attempt to educate.
Mr Epeen  Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |

SpaceSquirrels
275
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Posted - 2012.03.30 03:45:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:I never understood what some people have against Jews. Ever been to a Jewish neighborhood? No loud music, no droopy pants, no loud music, no pit bulls, no welfare recipients, no crime. Can't say that for... others. 
So you really hate white people... Cause they fit that bill. I mean they are the number 1 welfare recipient in the US. Also conform to the rest of those.
**** they ever do to you? |

Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
181
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Posted - 2012.03.30 03:45:00 -
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Raiykjab wrote:OP forget it, a big part of the EVE player base is too immature to understand that jew used as money maker is pejorative. Back then in Europe it costed them to end up in work camps that turned into extermination camps later on, nugh said.
Just wait for Sony to absorb CCP, they'll just ban the jackass like any other game companies and those jackass will go play on a new f2p private server.
Jesus what the ****.
More than half of my relatives who lived between 1941 and 1945 died directly as a result of **** Germany's actions in the Soviet Union, and those who lived can tell harrowing stories because they suffered more than I can imagine. Men and women, many picked up guns and fought, the others fought in a different way, by tending to the wounded and trying to live and making their little children's survival a priority (and some were just too young). They weren't soldiers, mostly teachers, academics and farmers. Some died from wounds, some died in combat action or in bombings, some died of hunger, some were herded into a barn with those from their villages who didn't agree to cooperate with the invaders and burned down alive, men, women and children. None of them were Jewish. The people who lived, even those who were very young at the time, have lived with the memories of horror, deaths, torture, r a p e and starvation, many with severely manifested PTSD. Again, not Jewish. They *were* Slavs though, another group of people targeted by the madman as being inferior and a supposed political, genetic and social pestilence upon the world. Stop appropriating the suffering that millions and millions of people from many places in the world underwent in that war and the years immediately prior. Not nearly as many Westerners are familiar with the atrocities committed against non-Jewish Russians, Ukrainians, Belorussians, etc. but ignorance doesn't change the facts of what happened. No one can take away the experiences of Jewish people around the time of WW II, but they are hardly the only group of people affected, stop living like that burden of a horrible past is yours alone to carry for generations upon generations. I'm one of MANY people who don't freak out at every mention of "Russian = bad, Slavic countries = mostly a clusterfuck". I speak out openly against war probably because I've talked extensively to survivors of WW II, read other people's stories, and am old enough to have done so as an adult. But there's no generational victim complex here, and I'm far from unique in that respect.
People love to draw lines between "us" and "them" using just about any characteristic--religion, nationality, sexuality, gender, appearance, etc. Using the word "jew" to mean something else than its intended meaning isn't something that's unique to this word or to Jewish people, and at this point in its history it doesn't carry nearly as negative of a social connotation as some other words that describe groups of people (I'm sure you can think of a few). It might change. It probably won't. Either way, stop feeling so victimized, it's not a good look for you. Everyone can go through life with a victim's attitude, it's not a unique trait (but it can be a pretty obnoxious one). |

SpaceSquirrels
275
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Posted - 2012.03.30 03:49:00 -
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Keen Fallsword wrote:Well thing is that many players is from USA and Yeah ... In most for them there is nothing wrong with it.. They cant see anything wrong with calling someone **** Or jew .. So Yeah
There was awesome idea to make USA subforum :) i think its good.
Been a bit more antisemitic sentiment in Europe last I checked... Even recently....Matter of fact more in Europe recently than the US in quite awhile. Also not so recently... Somewhere around the 30's to 40's... A few nations did a few things...and overlooked the rest..or aided?
Also in the broader term in other nations such as banning head scarves etc...
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Proud Blackman
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.03.30 03:53:00 -
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Black Plight reporting in to this thread. |

Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
675
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Posted - 2012.03.30 04:29:00 -
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Callduron wrote:One thing that's been bothering me for some time is the casual use of the word jew in Eve to mean trader/industrialist. It's very widespread and it's derogatory. I've often seen it used in the context of people being angry about exploitative prices. "100 isk for AM small???" and someone replies "Shrug, Jews." It's now so normal for many players and alliances that people are starting to forget it's potentially offensive.People used it constantly when I was in the old Northern Coalition. And it's become so widespread now. For example The Mittani wrote:Everyone uses Jita GÇô alliances, humble traders, mega-jews, legions of market bots, you name it. http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-waggingI don't think he was trying to be offensive, he just uses the word because to him and everyone he plays Eve with, it's just the word for trader It's possibly because I'm older. I was born in the 60s and influenced as a child by many people who had fought in the Second World War. Their view was that the war was completely just because of the Jewish issue and that antisemitism is profoundly wrong It's a very out-of-date stereotype. In the Middle Ages there were prohibitions in the Christian and Muslim religions against usury. This meant that most bankers had to be of a different religion and in Europe they were generally jews But now there's very little connection between jews and usury in the modern world. It's not Israel that caused the crash of 2008 I believe it originally came to Eve via Goons from the Something Awful boards where there's a tolerance for many things that people wouldn't want in Eve. The N-word is dropped as often as the word jew over there. But that's there and just because it's permitted there doesn't mean it should be permitted here. Now you could try to defend it by claiming that it's meant light-heartedly, that it's a joke, that it's ironic. But it's well established in law (and simple common sense) that harassment is determined by how the recipient feels, not the person makiing the comments It's not appropriate here and it worries me that it's gaining traction. So much so that when a player is trying to behave it slips out - he's forgotten it's an emotionally-charged word. In fact to some extent I had too, it was only when someone commented on my blog about Mittens using it that I thought this really has gone too far I would like CCP to crack down, to issue temp bans for the use of the word jew in a derogatory way. And I don't just mean if someone complains I mean one day a player laughs about "jewing it up" and the next day they can't log in. Recent events have shown that Eve's developed a locker room culture that's out of control and in some countries there are even legal implications to antisemitism.
Thank god Island dosn't has a jewis lobbing company like in USA |

Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
467
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Posted - 2012.03.30 07:41:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:. Outside of US nobody cares about political correctness.
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Your kidding right? In teh UK they tried to ban the term blackboard in schools.. And here the term liberal usually refers to people who vote for the Liberal party, the worst PC party possibly in the known world. I think they may single handedly have caused more racism than anyone else ever did.
The thing is, the UK is less racist now than it has ever been in its history, BUT some people absolutely refuse to let it go, its like a life raft that if they let go of they may become unimportant and dissapear. The funniest thing about that is the people trying to keep racism alive by telling everyone how racists it is to use terms such as blackboard, or singing baa baa blacksheep are mostly lower middle or upper working class white people. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |

Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
273
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Posted - 2012.03.30 07:44:00 -
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Vanir Tsero wrote:If you are getting offended by this word in EvE Online, You may want to seek another game.
EvE players are notorious for their thick skin and shady antics. EvE itself is immersive and you are your character. That character can be anything from a pirate to a scoundrel to an upstanding Amarr Empire Fighter. Those choices are yours. The language you use and the way you treat others is part of your character. Just as people are offensive in real life, so are characters in EvE Online.
You need to grow some meat sack armor or you will never have a good time in EvE Online.
The ToS clearly prohibits using roleplaying as an excuse for offensive behaviour, so do please get a clue. |

Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
87
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Posted - 2012.03.30 07:54:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:This is going to be entertaining. Especially when American prime time hits. Mr Epeen 
You are so right!!!
Fox News will go to town on this!!!!
Guard will have to try to explain EVE to Bill ORielly.......(gets some popcorn).....can't wait.
 I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |

Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
138
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Posted - 2012.03.30 08:14:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:I've never been very fond of it being thrown around casually to indicate anyone that might be considered fixated on making money.
It's a bit odd actually, maybe it's my age, but if you point out that using Jew in that fashion is in fact a slur they respond with complete surprise. It's become such a standard phrase among many groups they don't even think about it as actually being offensive any more.
Well, when was the last time you were "gyped"?
Most people have no idea where that one comes from or that it has connotations equal to saying you were "jewed". |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1128
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Posted - 2012.03.30 08:18:00 -
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Look at all those 3-day forum posting bans about to be handed out!
IBTL.
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Kehro Urgus
272
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Posted - 2012.03.30 08:21:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Look at all those 3-day forum posting bans about to be handed out!
IBTL.
Oy vay  You know what you find in a sandbox? Sand and cat poo. |

Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
59
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Posted - 2012.03.30 08:23:00 -
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God what a huey |

TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
112
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Posted - 2012.03.30 08:31:00 -
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POSITIVE STEREOTYPES ARE BAD!!!!
NO ONE SAY ASIANS ARE GOOD AT MATHS,THE JEWISH ARE GOOD WITH MONEY OR THE BRITISH WERE GOOD WITH FLAGS!!!
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3204
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Posted - 2012.03.30 08:31:00 -
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Callduron wrote:One thing that's been bothering me for some time is the casual use of the word jew in Eve to mean trader/industrialist. It's very widespread and it's derogatory. I've often seen it used in the context of people being angry about exploitative prices. "100 isk for AM small???" and someone replies "Shrug, Jews." It's now so normal for many players and alliances that people are starting to forget it's potentially offensive.People used it constantly when I was in the old Northern Coalition. And it's become so widespread now. For example The Mittani wrote:Everyone uses Jita GÇô alliances, humble traders, mega-jews, legions of market bots, you name it. http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-waggingI don't think he was trying to be offensive, he just uses the word because to him and everyone he plays Eve with, it's just the word for trader It's possibly because I'm older. I was born in the 60s and influenced as a child by many people who had fought in the Second World War. Their view was that the war was completely just because of the Jewish issue and that antisemitism is profoundly wrong It's a very out-of-date stereotype. In the Middle Ages there were prohibitions in the Christian and Muslim religions against usury. This meant that most bankers had to be of a different religion and in Europe they were generally jews But now there's very little connection between jews and usury in the modern world. It's not Israel that caused the crash of 2008 I believe it originally came to Eve via Goons from the Something Awful boards where there's a tolerance for many things that people wouldn't want in Eve. The N-word is dropped as often as the word jew over there. But that's there and just because it's permitted there doesn't mean it should be permitted here. Now you could try to defend it by claiming that it's meant light-heartedly, that it's a joke, that it's ironic. But it's well established in law (and simple common sense) that harassment is determined by how the recipient feels, not the person makiing the comments It's not appropriate here and it worries me that it's gaining traction. So much so that when a player is trying to behave it slips out - he's forgotten it's an emotionally-charged word. In fact to some extent I had too, it was only when someone commented on my blog about Mittens using it that I thought this really has gone too far I would like CCP to crack down, to issue temp bans for the use of the word jew in a derogatory way. And I don't just mean if someone complains I mean one day a player laughs about "jewing it up" and the next day they can't log in. Recent events have shown that Eve's developed a locker room culture that's out of control and in some countries there are even legal implications to antisemitism.
Are you actually jewish or are you being offended on someone else's behalf? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
127
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Posted - 2012.03.30 08:36:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:Sarmatiko wrote:. Outside of US nobody cares about political correctness.
. Your kidding right? In teh UK they tried to ban the term blackboard in schools.. And here the term liberal usually refers to people who vote for the Liberal party, the worst PC party possibly in the known world. I think they may single handedly have caused more racism than anyone else ever did. The thing is, the UK is less racist now than it has ever been in its history, BUT some people absolutely refuse to let it go, its like a life raft that if they let go of they may become unimportant and dissapear. The funniest thing about that is the people trying to keep racism alive by telling everyone how racists it is to use terms such as blackboard, or singing baa baa blacksheep are mostly lower middle or upper working class white people.
There is a reason that it is less racist now. Guess what - the PC brigade were a huge cause of that! People didn't just stop the casual racism for no reason. They stopped it because it became socially unacceptable and it became socially unacceptable because people put pressure on (or 'whined at') those who used racist language.
Casual use of words like ****** or jew is usually not coming from a racist place in eve. However, it is frequently used in the HOPE that it will cause offence, not because people want to offend those of other races specifically but because they want to offend someone. Most people are going to be able to laugh it off. But let's not pretend that real racism is a thing of the past, eh? People still get targeted and killed due to their race. In the UK and the US. Kids still get bullied at school and have their lives made miserable. Given this real world context, some people who come to eve ARE going to be offended by this language and they're going to be offended for damn good reasons because they will already have suffered from negative stereotyping. Against this you have to set the freedom of a bunch of kids to feel cool because they are being transgressive. Personally, the giggles of a few under-nourished personalities seem like a pretty poor reason to risk causing genuine deeply felt offence to people and those that use this kind of language should take a long look at themselves and consider whether the fun of going out of bounds is worth risking actual hurt to real people. But should it be banned? Probably not, unless it reaches the levels where it constitutes incitement.
Edit - Holy ****! I thought the baa baa black sheep stuff was dead 20 years ago. I just checked and it is actually still a live issue  |

C Genix
Alphane Research Co-operative
9
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Posted - 2012.03.30 08:42:00 -
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TheBlueMonkey wrote: THE BRITISH WERE GOOD WITH FLAGS!!!
How dare you sir, I demand satisfaction  |
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