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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:19:00 -
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CEO Rockhound wrote:OP: I to like jews. If you can't stand them, get out.
Besides, I can go to Amarr and buy slaves. I can take these Minmatar slaves and I can eject them in a can and I can shoot them.
So, please, go look at the color of these worthless matar slaves. Are you now going to call me a racist?
Well, to point out the obvious
1: Minmatar come in all colors. 2: Minmatar are a fictional race.
Not really what is being debated here. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
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Xyla Vulchanus
Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:46:00 -
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I couldn't agree with the OP more but what you need to understand is this:
A lot of people who play Eve are of low intelligence, incapable, and lack the emotional substance that would make them successful in the real world. Not all, but a great deal of them. They are frustrated and so make themselves feel better by hurting others. It's a bit like the internet as a whole really; people leave their brains at the door and just spew out the most hateful, reflexive bile they can, just for the sheer thrill of doing it without the repercussions that would accompany such actions IRL. We all experience it to a degree of course, when you make a billion isk, or pull off a scam, act as a spy or blast someone's hard earned ship and pod them, you're getting a thrill out of something that you don't do in real life.
But it's these desperate ones who are the most offensive - the ones who toss terms like jew, ****** and gay around, because the only way to make them feel better about themselves is by segregating and belittling others. They were probably the same at school and just never grew up. These people are generally cowards too - notice that there is a lack of the use of the word "******". It's too much of a taboo these days; the soft targets now are homosexuals and people of other religions.
If you are going to get upset about how offensive these terms are then (a) you've let the silly little troll win, because he got the cheap attention-seeking reaction he so craved and (b) you shouldn't play Eve, because it is rife with this and CCP does nothing to discourage it. The only other option is to do what I do and tune it out and just play the game - let those that feel the need to disparage others get on with it.
Funny thing is that there is a secret that most learn in life in time: the more insulting, hurtful, aggressive a person is, the more those things come back upon them and the more disliked they will be, including by themselves.
You can bet that the majority of the "hilarious" people who've replied to your post don't feel good about what they've written - not really. |

Xyla Vulchanus
Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:50:00 -
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Xyla Vulchanus wrote:I couldn't agree with the OP more but what you need to understand is this:
A lot of people who play Eve are of low intelligence, incapable, and lack the emotional substance that would make them successful in the real world. Not all, but a great deal of them. They are frustrated and so make themselves feel better by hurting others. It's a bit like the internet as a whole really; people leave their brains at the door and just spew out the most hateful, reflexive bile they can, just for the sheer thrill of doing it without the repercussions that would accompany such actions IRL. We all experience it to a degree of course, when you make a billion isk, or pull off a scam, act as a spy or blast someone's hard earned ship and pod them, you're getting a thrill out of something that you don't do in real life.
But it's these desperate ones who are the most offensive - the ones who toss terms like jew, f****t and gay around, because the only way to make them feel better about themselves is by segregating and belittling others. They were probably the same at school and just never grew up. These people are generally cowards too - notice that there is a lack of the use of the word "n****r". It's too much of a taboo these days; the soft targets now are homosexuals and people of other religions.
If you are going to get upset about how offensive these terms are then (a) you've let the silly little troll win, because he got the cheap attention-seeking reaction he so craved and (b) you shouldn't play Eve, because it is rife with this and CCP does nothing to discourage it. The only other option is to do what I do and tune it out and just play the game - let those that feel the need to disparage others get on with it.
Funny thing is that there is a secret that most learn in life in time: the more insulting, hurtful, aggressive a person is, the more those things come back upon them and the more disliked they will be, including by themselves.
You can bet that the majority of the "hilarious" people who've replied to your post don't feel good about what they've written - not really.
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Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:53:00 -
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I have no ******* idea where this thread was directed too at the start, never mind where the hell it's headed now.....
Predicting a lock, very, very soon(tm.) I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
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My Neutral Toon
Knights Who Til Recently Said Ni
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:56:00 -
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I have a friend that is a Jew. She also loves ham and cheese sandwiches.
My old room mate and myself used to joke "We don't have enough ham and cheese for that Jew"
She laughed.
...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious.... |

Mohr Cowbell
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:06:00 -
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Chevy Hakoke wrote:So being known for making tons of money is offensive?
Please send all isk to me now so I can make sure no one ever calls you a mega-jew.... I'll take on the burden
I've always wondered why some folks take offense to this. If anything, its a compliment to say hey, we're going to go "be successful at gaining wealth."
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Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
178
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:07:00 -
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Mohr Cowbell wrote:Chevy Hakoke wrote:So being known for making tons of money is offensive?
Please send all isk to me now so I can make sure no one ever calls you a mega-jew.... I'll take on the burden I've always wondered why some folks take offense to this. If anything, its a compliment to say hey, we're going to go "be successful at gaining wealth." As I stated earlier, that's the "positive-spin version" of it.
The original stereotype is that Jews are greedy. |

PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders Flatline.
58
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:08:00 -
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If you look hard enough (or look at all), people in eve say derogatory stuff about jews, americans, christians, russians, muslims, canadians, mexicans, germans, and just about any other group present in eve.
Par for the course in an mmo really.
Btw: How many polacks does it take to dock a super? |

Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:09:00 -
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we have a sandbox so people can pick whichever ethnic stereotype they wish to fit in (if they want one)
other games haven't got that (for example world of warcraft doesn't, but still caters to the crowd via a specific goblin race that gets a discount from vendors and global bank access) The Order of the Falcon or Hin +ˇslenska f+ílkaor+¦a is a national Order of Iceland |

Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
245
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:16:00 -
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Yeah and I got called fat the other day too, it's also derogatory, I think CCP should definitely come down on this.
Why is it so terribly PC to not say jew or ****** but calling people fat is ok in those same minority groups.
Edit: look at that, can't even have the N bomb in a post.
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Keen Fallsword
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:17:00 -
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WE demand USA subforum ! :) |

XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:17:00 -
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STFU with the bs anti-semetic drivel. The only ideology that pretends to be a race falsely gets no free pass simply for speaking of stereotypes. If you want to talk about anti-semetism then one only has to speak of the state of Israel , the most anti-semetic nation on the face of this planet who maintain a terrorist founded apartheid nation against the native semetic people's who have been there for millennia.
Learn who and what the true Semites are and stop pushing your Zionist tard ideologies here. The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.
One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear. |

Spy 21
Lonetrek Exploration and Salvage
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:22:00 -
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XIRUSPHERE wrote:STFU with the bs anti-semetic drivel. The only ideology that pretends to be a race falsely gets no free pass simply for speaking of stereotypes. If you want to talk about anti-semetism then one only has to speak of the state of Israel , the most anti-semetic nation on the face of this planet who maintain a terrorist founded apartheid nation against the native semetic people's who have been there for millennia.
Learn who and what the true Semites are and stop pushing your Zionist tard ideologies here.
Posts such as this are the best way to win friends and influence people! lol
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Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
245
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:25:00 -
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Spy 21 wrote:XIRUSPHERE wrote:STFU with the bs anti-semetic drivel. The only ideology that pretends to be a race falsely gets no free pass simply for speaking of stereotypes. If you want to talk about anti-semetism then one only has to speak of the state of Israel , the most anti-semetic nation on the face of this planet who maintain a terrorist founded apartheid nation against the native semetic people's who have been there for millennia.
Learn who and what the true Semites are and stop pushing your Zionist tard ideologies here. Posts such as this are the best way to win friends and influence people! lol
And yet he's correct.
Seriously, who the hell are you to tell me what words I can or can't use now? There's not even as much malice in someone saying "10 people jewing in the pocket" as there is in someone calling me fat.
Get over it, the jews became a coloquial expression. Perhaps you should try some self analysis as to why that might be?
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Staten Island
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:28:00 -
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XIRUSPHERE wrote:STFU with the bs anti-semetic drivel. The only ideology that pretends to be a race falsely gets no free pass simply for speaking of stereotypes. If you want to talk about anti-semetism then one only has to speak of the state of Israel , the most anti-semetic nation on the face of this planet who maintain a terrorist founded apartheid nation against the native semetic people's who have been there for millennia.
Learn who and what the true Semites are and stop pushing your Zionist tard ideologies here.
You sir are a moron. Last I checked the Jews have been there as long, if not longer, then your "natives." As for it being an apartheid nation - well, its funny how Israel being a democracy which allows its arab citizens to vote and be members of the government, gets tagged as racist when syria is actually killing its own citizens in the thousands and gets a pass from idiots such as yourself. Israel is a fortress surrounded by people that have no problem murdering their own in droves when it suits them. Ultimately its folk such as yourself who merely prove the double standard that is set for Israel and Jews in general.
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Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:30:00 -
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Staten Island wrote:XIRUSPHERE wrote:STFU with the bs anti-semetic drivel. The only ideology that pretends to be a race falsely gets no free pass simply for speaking of stereotypes. If you want to talk about anti-semetism then one only has to speak of the state of Israel , the most anti-semetic nation on the face of this planet who maintain a terrorist founded apartheid nation against the native semetic people's who have been there for millennia.
Learn who and what the true Semites are and stop pushing your Zionist tard ideologies here. You sir are a moron. Last I checked the Jews have been there as long, if not longer, then your "natives." As for it being an apartheid nation - well, its funny how Israel being a democracy which allows its arab citizens to vote and be members of the government, gets tagged as racist when syria is actually killing its own citizens in the thousands and gets a pass from idiots such as yourself. Israel is a fortress surrounded by people that have no problem murdering their own in droves when it suits them. Ultimately its folk such as yourself who merely prove the double standard that is set for Israel and Jews in general.
Yes because running 10 year old arab boys over in tanks when they throw rocks at those tanks is entirely acceptable where I come from too ?
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:31:00 -
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Okay, you are verging into making this a real world political and/or religious discussion.
Not here. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Staten Island
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:31:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:Spy 21 wrote:XIRUSPHERE wrote:STFU with the bs anti-semetic drivel. The only ideology that pretends to be a race falsely gets no free pass simply for speaking of stereotypes. If you want to talk about anti-semetism then one only has to speak of the state of Israel , the most anti-semetic nation on the face of this planet who maintain a terrorist founded apartheid nation against the native semetic people's who have been there for millennia.
Learn who and what the true Semites are and stop pushing your Zionist tard ideologies here. Posts such as this are the best way to win friends and influence people! lol And yet he's correct. Seriously, who the hell are you to tell me what words I can or can't use now? There's not even as much malice in someone saying "10 people jewing in the pocket" as there is in someone calling me fat. Get over it, the jews became a coloquial expression. Perhaps you should try some self analysis as to why that might be?
Being ignorant is no excuse to using an offensive phrase. Sure no one can tell you what to say or do, but every time you open your mouth and utter such idiocy, you merely show your true character, which in case you didn't guess, is being a racist idiot. |

Staten Island
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:36:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:Staten Island wrote:XIRUSPHERE wrote:STFU with the bs anti-semetic drivel. The only ideology that pretends to be a race falsely gets no free pass simply for speaking of stereotypes. If you want to talk about anti-semetism then one only has to speak of the state of Israel , the most anti-semetic nation on the face of this planet who maintain a terrorist founded apartheid nation against the native semetic people's who have been there for millennia.
Learn who and what the true Semites are and stop pushing your Zionist tard ideologies here. You sir are a moron. Last I checked the Jews have been there as long, if not longer, then your "natives." As for it being an apartheid nation - well, its funny how Israel being a democracy which allows its arab citizens to vote and be members of the government, gets tagged as racist when syria is actually killing its own citizens in the thousands and gets a pass from idiots such as yourself. Israel is a fortress surrounded by people that have no problem murdering their own in droves when it suits them. Ultimately its folk such as yourself who merely prove the double standard that is set for Israel and Jews in general. Yes because running 10 year old arab boys over in tanks when they throw rocks at those tanks is entirely acceptable where I come from too ? Hey, you wanted to get into it.
The moral difference between the two is simple -- the tanks are there because the arab boys parents are bombing Israel with rockets. The rockets are indiscriminate, intended to kill everybody, women and children included. The tanks deployed by Israel are not meant to kill children but to stop the rockets. But of course, your ok with Israeli children being killed indiscriminately, just as your ok with arab murdering other arabs. Its only when Jews defend themselves that you get your panties in a bunch. |

Spy 21
Lonetrek Exploration and Salvage
10
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:36:00 -
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Extremist views and hatred do not belong here.
Will be locked soon. |

Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
164
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:47:00 -
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Bad, bad EVE community ... always laughing when I go out to suicide in a smartbomb battleship.  |

Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
245
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:50:00 -
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Spy 21 wrote:Extremist views and hatred do not belong here.
Will be locked soon.
It's not extreme, it's a question of simply wanting special treatment for someone to declare to the world how very much the same as everyone else they are.
And frankly I consider them to be exactly the same as everyone else - until they ask for special treatment. CSM7 Skype Leak
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Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
164
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:50:00 -
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Spy 21 wrote: just curious... as a member of the only minority that it's politically acceptable and ENCOURAGED to discriminate against (white-male-christian-smoker) ...
You forgot heterosexual.
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Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:51:00 -
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Karim alRashid wrote:Spy 21 wrote: just curious... as a member of the only minority that it's politically acceptable and ENCOURAGED to discriminate against (white-male-christian-smoker) ...
You forgot heterosexual.
Exactly my point.
I'd be FAR more interested in a thread that calls for the banning of all these discriminatory words.
Not this "just us" bullshit.
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Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:56:00 -
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Callduron wrote:Now you could try to defend it by claiming that it's meant light-heartedly, that it's a joke, that it's ironic. But it's well established in law (and simple common sense) that harassment is determined by how the recipient feels, not the person makiing the comments And this is why harassment laws are rubbish.
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Rainbow Sixx
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:58:00 -
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Callduron wrote:One thing that's been bothering me for some time is the casual use of the word jew in Eve to mean trader/industrialist. It's very widespread and it's derogatory. I've often seen it used in the context of people being angry about exploitative prices. "100 isk for AM small???" and someone replies "Shrug, Jews." It's now so normal for many players and alliances that people are starting to forget it's potentially offensive.People used it constantly when I was in the old Northern Coalition. And it's become so widespread now. For example The Mittani wrote:Everyone uses Jita GÇô alliances, humble traders, mega-jews, legions of market bots, you name it. http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-waggingI don't think he was trying to be offensive, he just uses the word because to him and everyone he plays Eve with, it's just the word for trader It's possibly because I'm older. I was born in the 60s and influenced as a child by many people who had fought in the Second World War. Their view was that the war was completely just because of the Jewish issue and that antisemitism is profoundly wrong It's a very out-of-date stereotype. In the Middle Ages there were prohibitions in the Christian and Muslim religions against usury. This meant that most bankers had to be of a different religion and in Europe they were generally jews But now there's very little connection between jews and usury in the modern world. It's not Israel that caused the crash of 2008 I believe it originally came to Eve via Goons from the Something Awful boards where there's a tolerance for many things that people wouldn't want in Eve. The N-word is dropped as often as the word jew over there. But that's there and just because it's permitted there doesn't mean it should be permitted here. Now you could try to defend it by claiming that it's meant light-heartedly, that it's a joke, that it's ironic. But it's well established in law (and simple common sense) that harassment is determined by how the recipient feels, not the person makiing the comments It's not appropriate here and it worries me that it's gaining traction. So much so that when a player is trying to behave it slips out - he's forgotten it's an emotionally-charged word. In fact to some extent I had too, it was only when someone commented on my blog about Mittens using it that I thought this really has gone too far I would like CCP to crack down, to issue temp bans for the use of the word jew in a derogatory way. And I don't just mean if someone complains I mean one day a player laughs about "jewing it up" and the next day they can't log in. Recent events have shown that Eve's developed a locker room culture that's out of control and in some countries there are even legal implications to antisemitism.
Well, I look something like this in real life, and plenty of people in eve say ****** too, without a second thought. It's the internet. People get to say all kinds of outlandish **** and get away with it. If it offends you so much, gank a ************ for saying it also, bolded the part where you could not be more wrong.. |

Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
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Posted - 2012.03.30 18:00:00 -
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Palovana wrote:Callduron wrote:Now you could try to defend it by claiming that it's meant light-heartedly, that it's a joke, that it's ironic. But it's well established in law (and simple common sense) that harassment is determined by how the recipient feels, not the person makiing the comments And this is why harassment laws are rubbish.
Yeah the very next thread will be "Goonwaffe should change its' name" or some such...
They use it as a weapon, not a shield, that's what pisses me off.
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Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.30 18:01:00 -
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Awesome, next day, more Goonie threads. |

Spy 21
Lonetrek Exploration and Salvage
10
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Posted - 2012.03.30 18:01:00 -
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Funny how this thread ends up making the OP's point better than his original post does.
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Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
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Posted - 2012.03.30 18:02:00 -
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Staten Island wrote:The moral difference between the two is simple -- the tanks are there because the arab boys parents are bombing Israel with rockets. The rockets are indiscriminate, intended to kill everybody, women and children included. The tanks deployed by Israel are not meant to kill children but to stop the rockets. But of course, your ok with Israeli children being killed indiscriminately, just as your ok with arab murdering other arabs. Its only when Jews defend themselves that you get your panties in a bunch.
Wow you make a lot of assumptions about me for someone who doesn't want any assumptions made about them.
You see how this works people?
Suddenly I'm someone who is "ok with Israeli children being killed indiscriminately".
That is bullshit. I don't want to see anyone killed in any way shape or form.
Like I said, you use it (anti-discimination) as a weapon, not a shield.
Go thrill yourself.
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