Originally by: Deathhawk

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i say PILGRIM!!

:D and i am always right

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Originally by: Grim Peeper

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Originally by: Deathhawk

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i say PILGRIM!!

:D and i am always right

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so you would use the severely gimped, under bonused, worse slotted version of the curse just because..it looks cooler eyy?

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Originally by: Merin Ryskin

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Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 10/10/2008 05:37:02

Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 10/10/2008 05:31:54
I belive in the changes. What can I say. Imo, what they are doing and explained sounds pretty reasonable and good. Speed is an issue and it needs a pretty tough change to fix.

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Not really.

1) Nerf polycarbons back into line with all other rigs, so the rig is weaker than the T2 module.

2) Nerf Snakes and other implants so the gap between "obscenely rich ebayer" and plain T2 is the same as the gap for all other ships.

3) Fix precision heavy missile velocity so they do non-zero damage to nano ships.

Problem solved. The rest of the game is balanced just fine once the high-end nano setups are removed. The fact that CCP has ignored vast amounts of player feedback supporting similar ideas in favor of proceeding with the massive overkill nerf has killed any faith I had in their ability to balance this game properly.

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Originally by: fightnkill

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a domi with 3 ECCM + Heat on them still couldn't lock down a falcon

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Originally by: Torfi

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There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses

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Originally by: Oveur

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You can look to the last PVP tournament for an object example of how a gang fares with too many 'falcons'.

-Liang

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Originally by: Rajere

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Uh, I was in the last PVP tournament, and I can't recall a single falcon being fielded. Rooks sure, a comedy triple scorp setup, metric ton of Griffins, we (along with 1 or 2 others IIRC) even fielded a Kitsune (<3 EAFs, awesome tourney ships). Don't remember any falcons though. I could be wrong, I didn't really watch all of the matches, only the matches in my group, then the matches of opponents we went up against on the final day, quarter finals, etc. Oh plus I watched the replays of our own matches, of course :p

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Heh, that's why 'falcons' was in quotes... in reality, there were 2 teams of 10 blackbirds fielded on the assumption that nobody would ever be able to lock. Simple answer? Both lost, and IIRC, they didn't score any kills.

It simply isn't as easy as it sounds to keep everyone jammed as the number of ECM ships goes up. :)

-Liang

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Originally by: Rajere

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I only recall the BRUCE match when they fielded 10 BBs as (I hope) a comedy setup tribute to SpiralJunkie. Even in a Comedy setup they could have easily won that match had their FC not been incompetent/had actually taken it seriously, whichever is applicable. Considering the /mindboggle of their setups for their previous matches and their performance up to that point, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say they were intentionally trying to not kill anything for the lulz, giving MC an easy win for morale (MC's performance had been abysmal til that point). Perhaps they felt guilty after denying points to PL and others in their group all tourney with benny hilling ***gotry.

There's all of zero correlation between the performance of 10 blackbird comedy teams in the tournament, and the effectiveness of stacking multiple ecm ships and bringing more jammers than you have targets to use them on. I'm actually dissappointed that you'd even suggest a connection between the fail tourney teams and actual tq efficiency. We may not always agree but I can recognize the validity of your logic most of the time, and I figured you were better than this. Unless of course you're just trolling me, in which case you have succeeded.

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You can look to the last PVP tournament for an object example of how a gang fares with too many 'falcons'.

-Liang

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Originally by: Rajere

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Which is a crock. There is no translation from effectiveness of 10 blackbird (AND ONLY 10 blackbird) tournament team and their performance in a structured environment with known variables, and the effectiveness of actual pvp gangs on tranquility with an unpredictable number of variables, who happen to bring +X falcons more than they usually do. There is absolutely no connection between the two, whatsoever, in any possible context. period.

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Originally by: Varus Riaz

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Missile boats, but I predict they aren't the next thing to be whined about until they get nerfed into the ground.

The next thing to be nerfed into the ground will be cloaking ships.

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Originally by: Rajere

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Ah I see, thats much better than just admitting you were wrong or that perhaps you misspoke? Basically you said "this is what happens when a gang brings too many 'falcons'" but what you actually meant was "this is what happens when a gang brings too little of everything else" minor quibble, it's a shame you won't acknowledge it.

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Originally by: jerrard iceni

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In no particular order... falcon,raven & arazu.

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