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Tevlent
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:12:00 -
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Edited by: Tevlent on 13/10/2008 20:12:12
Your market orders and research points should stop if the account is inactive. After all, with market orders up you can make money while your account is expired. With research points you can continue to accumulate them while your account is expired, and when you re-subscribe you come back to a fat amount of RPs that you can cash in for ISK. That is entirely inconsistent with the ghost training thing.
If CCP wants to remove ghost training then they should also remove market orders from inactive accounts, and stop inactive accounts from acquiring RPs.
Dividend payouts to inactive shareholders as well, those should be stopped.
Also GTC's must not be usable on an inactive account. If you want to reactivate an account they you have to pay in cold hard cash. This is the only way it can be fair to everyone because the benefits of having isk should accrue only to paying players!
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Tevlent
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:14:00 -
[2]
Supporting my idea.
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AverageR
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:16:00 -
[3]
Because it makes sense.
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Dawnfiend
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:17:00 -
[4]
This game isn't fun to play anyway we might as well make it worse rite :ccp:
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Cannibal PLT
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:21:00 -
[5]
If skill training suspension for inactive accounts is logical, there's no reason why this shouldn't be also.
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CowsCANBark
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:24:00 -
[6]
if ccp removes ghost training they should do this as well.
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Kif
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:25:00 -
[7]
Might as well be fair and run this shit into the ground across the board! 
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Garion Avarr
Zero Zero Traders
YTMND.
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:25:00 -
[8]
This is logical. To some extent, more logical than removing 'Ghost Training,' which serves as a carrot to entice people to come back to the game if they have to leave for a while.
I don't know about market orders, though -- I'm not a programer, but it seems like it might be hard to do it in any way other than cancelling all orders, and if your account lapses for even a day . . . well, yeah.
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Trzzbk
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:32:00 -
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Also, character inactive for longer than a certain time period (to be determined by Devs, of course) should be deleted. They're getting to use DB slots for free to the detriment of people paying for the game.
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Carsidava
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:32:00 -
[10]
 Originally by: Tevlent
Edited by: Tevlent on 13/10/2008 20:20:47
Your market orders and research points should stop if the account is inactive. After all, with market orders up you can make money while your account is expired. With research points you can continue to accumulate them while your account is expired, and when you re-subscribe you come back to a fat amount of RPs that you can cash in for ISK. That is entirely inconsistent with the ghost training thing.
If CCP wants to remove ghost training then they should also remove market orders from inactive accounts, and stop inactive accounts from acquiring RPs.
Dividend payouts to inactive shareholders as well, those should be stopped.
Also GTC's must not be usable on an inactive account. If you want to reactivate an account they you have to pay in cold hard cash. This is the only way it can be fair to everyone because the benefits of having isk should accrue only to paying players!
Capsuleers who actively put their time and energy into working on their characters should reap the benefits of the game, not inactive ones. TIMExENERGY=PROFIT! NOT TIMExINACTIVE=PROFIT!
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StealthGerbils
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:33:00 -
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buttess
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Nina Korgan
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Garion Avarr
This is logical. To some extent, more logical than removing 'Ghost Training,' which serves as a carrot to entice people to come back to the game if they have to leave for a while.
I don't know about market orders, though -- I'm not a programer, but it seems like it might be hard to do it in any way other than cancelling all orders, and if your account lapses for even a day . . . well, yeah.
QFT
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Thomas Jay
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:39:00 -
[13]
Well if ccp is going to move with the ghost training this only seems logical. Supported...
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Mierin Rayen
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:41:00 -
[14]
Yes. If you're going to do something, then you need to be consistent.
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Qeng Nuwen
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:44:00 -
[15]
Originally by: Kif
Might as well be fair and run this shit into the ground across the board!
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Etien Aldragoran
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:47:00 -
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Not much else to say. The value of RP items have gone drastically down with all these old unsubscribed accounts pulling them in. A player just has to reactivate the account and has access to upwards of years worth of RP. That kind of passive unsubscribed income must not be allowed.
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Praxis1452
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:54:00 -
[17]
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Irida Mershkov
War is Bliss
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Posted - 2008.10.13 21:00:00 -
[18]
Support
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Plave Okice
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.10.13 21:11:00 -
[19]
Supported
Maybe allow a few days for forgetfulness then make all characters on unsubbed accounts completely inactive.
No rp gained
Suspend market orders
No bpo research
No production
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Furb Killer
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.10.13 21:17:00 -
[20]
Supporting goon trolls
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Drake Draconis
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Posted - 2008.10.13 21:42:00 -
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Throw in a small meager timer for those who don't have money right now but can get it in 48 hours ish and you got my vote.
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KeratinBoy
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.13 22:43:00 -
[22]
Proposal makes sense. On the other hand, you left out outstanding contracts. Presumably they should be cancelled as well. If CCP want all or nothing, than all or nothing it should be. Supported.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:21:00 -
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Or you could send the money to the SCC or some such black hole which would make a great ISK Sink hole. ^_^
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Itzena
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:29:00 -
[24]
Originally by: Dawnfiend
This game isn't fun to play anyway we might as well make it worse rite :ccp:
LRTSITG
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HerbTarlek
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:03:00 -
[25]
Might as well do this, since if an account doesn't train while unsubbed there's not much of a reason to keep an alt around.
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lilizo
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:44:00 -
[26]
This makes dollars, so it also makes sense.
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Biscuit0
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:45:00 -
[27]
Hrm... just remove inactive chars from EVE altogether.
It's like they never existed. :iiam: |
Sarin Adler
Dark Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:56:00 -
[28]
support
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Moustache McGee
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:58:00 -
[29]
Edited by: Moustache McGee on 14/10/2008 00:59:14
These are arguably worse than Ghost Training, in that they generate ISK, the real bread and butter of Eve, without any subscription or effort. I'd elaborate but I already wrote a bunch of words about it in like three different threads so whatev
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Mica Petrokov
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:21:00 -
[30]
you have my axe... erm, I mean
support
Why let people make isk without paying for it if they can't train skills without paying for it.
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SysFin
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:34:00 -
[31]
Constancy is good.
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Staplerfahrer Klaus
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:03:00 -
[32]
Edited by: Staplerfahrer Klaus on 14/10/2008 02:03:44
^^^ It's "consistency."
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Dontcheck Availability
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:04:00 -
[33]
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Nigerian Prince
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:05:00 -
[34]
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Carl Marcus
Galactic Waste Management
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:12:00 -
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Cory Trevor
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:42:00 -
[36]
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Coptic
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:44:00 -
[37]
supported
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jm24
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:46:00 -
[38]
Edited by: jm24 on 14/10/2008 02:46:37
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Will Hunter
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:50:00 -
[39]
lets run this shit into the ground
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Duckbar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:53:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Will Hunter
lets run this shit into the ground
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CowWarrior
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 03:10:00 -
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Nicroth
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 03:11:00 -
[42]
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Mistress Obsidian
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Posted - 2008.10.14 03:12:00 -
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Seth Ruin
Ominous Corp
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.10.14 03:19:00 -
[44]
While I don't like this decision, CCP's method of informing us, or the short notice...
I have to agree. If they're going to do it, they shouldn't half-*** it.
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Feng Schui
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.10.14 03:19:00 -
[45]
in the name of consistently ****ing up the game, sure, why not!
Project:Gank
Pilgrim Guide
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Mica Petrokov
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Posted - 2008.10.14 03:22:00 -
[46]
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Terastra
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.14 03:22:00 -
[47]
/signed
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Sanadis
Sphere Industries
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.10.14 03:23:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Sanadis on 14/10/2008 03:26:09
If ghost training is removed, all of this must all go into effect on inactive accounts, as that would seem to be the most fair of things.
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Zinnn
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Posted - 2008.10.14 03:26:00 -
[49]
This just sounds like a bunch of suicidal fans that want to make sure to nail in the final nails in Eve's coffin.
I agree. Strip all the features out of an unsubscribed account. Let's get this band-aid ripped off fast and let the hemmhoraging of CCP's cashflow begin.
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Alex Salas
BROTHERHOOD OF SPARTA
Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.10.14 03:28:00 -
[50]
Hell must be cold tonight because I am supporting a goon
EVE lies...rotating FTL!!!
http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?patchlogID=99On the Serenity server, skills no longer train when the owning account is deactivated. Tranquility |
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Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L.
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 03:43:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Qeng Nuwen
Originally by: Kif
Might as well be fair and run this shit into the ground across the board!
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Lord Benz
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Posted - 2008.10.14 03:46:00 -
[52]
This is a good idea. All of these poor capsuleers who are being cheated by ghost training surely must hate inactive accounts existing in any aspect of the "game".
Under CCP's insectoid logic, we must remove all inactive accounts from any aspect of the game because WAAAH IT ISNT FAIR.
Let's be honest CCP, dont take us for fools. No one is whining about people ghost training, this is about you getting your hands on every penny you can pinch.
I almost think the announcement of the ghost training removal wouldn't be so bad if you would have just admitted from the get go that this maneuver is about making the money required for you to maintain the server, not about "capsuleers" putting energy into the game. As for ghost training being "unintended"....
"Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though). As a result, it is a good idea to train short skills while you are playing and longer ones when you log off. If you want to switch skills, you can simply do so by starting another skill training. The points gained on the previous skill will not be lost, but you don't benefit from the training until the level is fully completed. The highest level for any skill is Level 5, but some skills also have an advanced version. Some of those advanced skills influence the same area as the basic version, others only a related area."
So in the spirit of shafting your player base, by all means, lets run this game into the ground so that maybe the capsuleers wont put any energy or money into this game.
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Yarsk Hunters
DeaDSpace Coalition
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Posted - 2008.10.14 03:46:00 -
[53]
Supporting this, let CCP put its feet into a meat grinder.
Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill tr |
Saevus Mortis
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Posted - 2008.10.14 03:49:00 -
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Eve is getting a little stale, I think I'll let some accounts lapse so I can pay for more hookers and beer. 3 months down the road, I start feeling a little twitchy and am thinking about maybe relapsing and hitting the ol' space-crackpipe again. My incentives to come back include:
Gallente carrier V completed
Nice pile of accumulated passive income
Not coming back at all and going outside.
If you're gonna screw it up, at least be consistent about it. Supported.
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shadowfox hunter
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Posted - 2008.10.14 03:51:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Tevlent
Edited by: Tevlent on 13/10/2008 20:20:47
Also GTC's must not be usable on an inactive account. If you want to reactivate an account they you have to pay in cold hard cash. This is the only way it can be fair to everyone because the benefits of having isk should accrue only to paying players!TIMExENERGY=PROFIT! NOT TIMExINACTIVE=PROFIT!
i don't like this. i cant use my card here my bank is blocking all international charges. so i buy gtc with paypal. But other then that i like this.
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Baroness D
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Posted - 2008.10.14 03:53:00 -
[56]
Totally agree. No matter who much hard earned cash people spent creating and using accounts on EVE the moment they stop paying they are worthless s****who are freeloading off the system and everyone else and should have everything they were told they could have in the game taken away. And I don't think more then one days notice would sound unreasonable to me. |
Tainte Gallenki
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.14 03:58:00 -
[57]
If CCP really have to do this then I agree they should completely disable anything that could advantage a disabled account.
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Jita Johnny
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:21:00 -
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Edited by: Jita Johnny on 14/10/2008 04:21:03
It's possible to have an inactive account for a year or more, come back, and drop a huge load of datacores on the market. Enough to seriously mess with the market for that core for weeks.
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Yeknom Nam
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Posted - 2008.10.14 05:12:00 -
[59]
I have no experience in R&D but I do have knowledge of Contracts and Buy/Sell orders. And I think if something's worth doing, it's worth doing right(eyes on the ether.)
My vote, Character must not be able to profit at all if the account the player is part of is not actively subscribed. Could mark the sell/buy orders in the DB as not to be listed on the market, almost as simple as that.
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Lady Bollocknose
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Posted - 2008.10.14 06:13:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Lady *******nose on 14/10/2008 06:12:54
If CCP are going to screw us over, they might as well screw us over royally and do it right. Momma always said it ain't worth trying if you're not gonna do it right.
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Cynaux Aulte
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Posted - 2008.10.14 06:28:00 -
[61]
Why go half hog with a stupid idea when you can run with it!
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Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L.
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 06:58:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Lady *******nose
Edited by: Lady *******nose on 14/10/2008 06:12:54
If CCP are going to screw us over, they might as well screw us over royally and do it right. Momma always said it ain't worth trying if you're not gonna do it right.
Momma always said like was like a box of chocolate, you never know when you're gonna get punt kicked in the butt.
Or something like that.
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RedLion
Polaris Project
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 07:07:00 -
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Stop LP = YEA
Corp closure / market cancel = NAY
Deleting very old characters (specially on trial accounts), and corporations without any members = YEA
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Eran Laude
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:01:00 -
[64]
Edited by: Eran Laude on 14/10/2008 08:01:12
Agreed.
IMHO, banning "goast tranin" is a positive step, so they should go one step further and nerf account processes in general.
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Myk Taison
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:04:00 -
[65]
supporting goon trolls
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:12:00 -
[66]
Goons are being sarcatic trolls per usual.
But I agree with killing RP and market orders (if possible) would be consistent with ghost skilling. The difference between market orders/RP and SP is that you cannot just 'pause' a market order or pause your RP. You can cancel market orders/RP, but that is different from pausing as you lose all current RP. If CCP wrote a way to pause all orders/RP and other stuff then I fully support this.
Not being able to reactivate an account with GTCs makes zero sense however. You not are profiting with an inactive account, so that doesn't make any sense at all.
Weak troll .5/10
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Ankhesentapemkah
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:25:00 -
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Yes to a stop on RP gain for inactive accounts, so that the legitimate players can earn more with them.
On the other hand it makes invention more expensive and that's not a good development, but that system should be overhauled anyway.
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:26:00 -
[68]
All is good up until...
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Also GTC's must not be usable on an inactive account. If you want to reactivate an account they you have to pay in cold hard cash. This is the only way it can be fair to everyone because the benefits of having isk should accrue only to paying players!
GTCs are cold hard cash. Some of us cant subscribe through CCP shop.. I forget the error or whatever I got when I tried but it wouldnt work.
Trading isk for GTC codes securely just makes sense.
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Ribeye Jaksom
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:59:00 -
[69]
Did not read OP.
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Saraah Leeown
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:11:00 -
[70]
Absolutely, I've been calling for this for months |
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zzCoins
Decorum Inc
Tygris Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 11:16:00 -
[71]
Ghost research points should be removed
Other changes are not needed
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Odetta Harpy
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Posted - 2008.10.14 12:24:00 -
[72]
I HATE YOU ALL
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Suitonia
interimo
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Posted - 2008.10.14 12:41:00 -
[73]
If CCP are removing 'ghost training' then I see no reason for them not to do this too.
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Reika Wylde
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:38:00 -
[74]
yes.
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:53:00 -
[75]
I'm going to say no on the basis that I'm against the disabling of ghost training anyway as a bad precedent that caused all this crap, promoted by a bunch of whiners who seem to want every MMO out there to be absolutely the same.
Why not go the whole way and just have us earn SP on blowing ships up and therefore no SP earning unless you're playing the game (which should sound familiar territory to those from other MMOs), and forget about all the things that made EVE the game it was?
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My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
Environmental Effects
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AlphaMeridian
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:31:00 -
[76]
Supported (if only because this will make me shitloads of isk)
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Jin Labarre
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:02:00 -
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Ledoro
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:09:00 -
[78]
Only right to halt all functions on an inactive account while it is inactive. |
Rongar Maximus
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:35:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Tevlent
Edited by: Tevlent on 13/10/2008 20:20:47
Your market orders and research points should stop if the account is inactive. After all, with market orders up you can make money while your account is expired. With research points you can continue to accumulate them while your account is expired, and when you re-subscribe you come back to a fat amount of RPs that you can cash in for ISK. That is entirely inconsistent with the ghost training thing.
If CCP wants to remove ghost training then they should also remove market orders from inactive accounts, and stop inactive accounts from acquiring RPs.
Dividend payouts to inactive shareholders as well, those should be stopped.
Also GTC's must not be usable on an inactive account. If you want to reactivate an account they you have to pay in cold hard cash. This is the only way it can be fair to everyone because the benefits of having isk should accrue only to paying players!
Capsuleers who actively put their time and energy into working on their characters should reap the benefits of the game, not inactive ones. TIMExENERGY=PROFIT! NOT TIMExINACTIVE=PROFIT!
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Qlanth
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:41:00 -
[80]
Yep
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Hertford
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 16:18:00 -
[81]
Yep yep. |
Kashbrok
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 16:35:00 -
[82]
Very much agree.
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KAELA MENSHA
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:02:00 -
[83]
I can hear the screaming on the forums now
My bank screwed up my direct debits.
And you deleted my accounts,
wheres my dreadnought/freighter/battleship/etc/etc/etc
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Malcanis
RuffRyders
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:23:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Tevlent
Edited by: Tevlent on 13/10/2008 20:20:47
Your market orders and research points should stop if the account is inactive. After all, with market orders up you can make money while your account is expired. With research points you can continue to accumulate them while your account is expired, and when you re-subscribe you come back to a fat amount of RPs that you can cash in for ISK. That is entirely inconsistent with the ghost training thing.
If CCP wants to remove ghost training then they should also remove market orders from inactive accounts, and stop inactive accounts from acquiring RPs.
Dividend payouts to inactive shareholders as well, those should be stopped.
Also GTC's must not be usable on an inactive account. If you want to reactivate an account they you have to pay in cold hard cash. This is the only way it can be fair to everyone because the benefits of having isk should accrue only to paying players!
Capsuleers who actively put their time and energy into working on their characters should reap the benefits of the game, not inactive ones. TIMExENERGY=PROFIT! NOT TIMExINACTIVE=PROFIT!
OP is nothing but logical and consistent. END RP/Market/research exploitation by unsubbed alts NOW.
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Little help
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:34:00 -
[85]
+1
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shuckstar
Gallente
Hauling hogs
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:40:00 -
[86]
Supported
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Kotori Shirakawa
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:46:00 -
[87]
Consistency++
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
Ministry of Information
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Posted - 2008.10.14 18:14:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Tevlent
Your market orders and research points should stop if the account is inactive. After all, with market orders up you can make money while your account is expired. With research points you can continue to accumulate them while your account is expired, and when you re-subscribe you come back to a fat amount of RPs that you can cash in for ISK. That is entirely inconsistent with the ghost training thing.
If CCP wants to remove ghost training then they should also remove market orders from inactive accounts, and stop inactive accounts from acquiring RPs.
Dividend payouts to inactive shareholders as well, those should be stopped.
Also GTC's must not be usable on an inactive account. If you want to reactivate an account they you have to pay in cold hard cash. This is the only way it can be fair to everyone because the benefits of having isk should accrue only to paying players!
Capsuleers who actively put their time and energy into working on their characters should reap the benefits of the game, not inactive ones. TIMExENERGY=PROFIT! NOT TIMExINACTIVE=PROFIT!
I'd agree with it, without the non-GTC option.
Simply because with multiple accounts, it's easy and frequent enough that an account goes inactive because you weren't watching the days remaining on the account. Transferring isk to the inactive account, from an active one, should still be possible.
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Jill Montana
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Posted - 2008.10.14 18:28:00 -
[89]
I'm all for consistency.
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Calvin Tower
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Posted - 2008.10.14 18:30:00 -
[90]
This needs implemented if ghosting is an imbalance, then getting rp (and thus ISK) while inactive should be blocked, too, and right away.
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KAELA MENSHA
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Posted - 2008.10.14 19:06:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Jill Montana
I'm all for consistency.
Accounts should be frozen, for six months then deleted. to allow for minor misshaps to be avoided.
I.E. people in hospitals the forces etc
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Barwinius
Ars ex Discordia
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Posted - 2008.10.14 19:08:00 -
[92]
This is an issue extremely important to the success of EVE. |
Aloriana Jacques
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.14 19:49:00 -
[93]
I agree with all points but reactivation using real currency.
GTCs are purchased using real currency, and whether the holder of the GTC decides to use an in game mechanic in order to exchange it for isk with another player should not be a factor. CCP still profits from the sale as they would a normal transaction.
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GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 19:59:00 -
[94]
Yeah, if you're no longer able to accumulate Skill Points on an unsubbed account, there's really no reason why you should be permitted to acquire Research Points or sell items through the market/contracts either.
Ending this inconsistency would also mean less easy ISK entering the game and distorting the market.
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westyx
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:04:00 -
[95]
I find the whole idea of inactive accounts accruing RPs unfair. Support suppension of RP gathering/all market buy and sell orders.
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Anubis Nefertiti
Obsidian Industries Inc
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:58:00 -
[96]
Yes
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OOT Prime
Obsidian Industries Inc
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:59:00 -
[97]
Seems Reasonable
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AztecD
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:00:00 -
[98]
Edited by: AztecD on 14/10/2008 21:00:40
Disable ALL inactive account progress not just skill training.
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Frobbe
The Greater Goon
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:01:00 -
[99]
yeah, let's go all out on this one |
Plucky Duck
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:51:00 -
[100]
I'd vote with my main too but that account is busy ghost training and making mad ISK from open sell orders. If you're going to F me CCP, F me all the way.
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Echthalian
Martian Productions
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Posted - 2008.10.14 23:39:00 -
[101]
supported...F. U. CCP
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.10.15 02:53:00 -
[102]
Obvious a lot of Goons used this inactive feature... so I propose CCP goes thru with the change. Maybe some Goons will leave... yay!
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Zathrus
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:13:00 -
[103]
If you dont pay you should get nothing.
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Piuro
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:36:00 -
[104]
This just in: CCP apparently run by the director of Kaup¦ing banki.
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Bunyip
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:47:00 -
[105]
I agree with all 'inactive gain' parts. Stop market orders, stop RP gain, stop skill training.
GTCs should still be used to reactivate an account, and corporations should still be active if they have some paying members. Players should have their characters dropped if the following three conditions apply:
- They've been inactive for six or more months
- They have less than 2m SP
- They have not paid their account for six months.
Given these conditions, I'm willing to bet that a great deal of player and corp names will suddenly become available as the older characters that were started in a trial or such are suddenly dropped.
This move will clear up the database and give freedoms back to the players (name selection, etc). I support this topic, even if it was sarcasm.
-Bunyip
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Col Callahan
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:53:00 -
[106]
Lets run the game into the ground. Signed/ I support killing EVE.
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Dirtee Girl
Omega Enterprises
0mega Factor
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Posted - 2008.10.15 06:34:00 -
[107]
supported fairs fair
tbh i have never used this feature erm sry bug but i think ghost training can go both ways tbh really unless you have crap stats eventually you will have to pay up to keep training so honestly i don't care either way but....
as it has been pointed out yes rp and isk gain should be disabled aswell
props for pointing this out op
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Nypon
Unseen University
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Posted - 2008.10.15 06:43:00 -
[108]
Agree.
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Kalintos Tyl
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Posted - 2008.10.15 07:22:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Kalintos Tyl on 15/10/2008 07:22:19
Dont forget about jobs in npc stations, like material research and selling bpos with high me for profit.
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KAELA MENSHA
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Posted - 2008.10.15 20:23:00 -
[110]
why not delete all those trial accounts, people who have not paid a penny to ccp
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Lag
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Posted - 2008.10.15 20:53:00 -
[111]
Edited by: Lag on 15/10/2008 20:53:59
Yes, remove the real issues, or none at all.
Ghost training should stay!
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Mister Xerox
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Posted - 2008.10.15 20:59:00 -
[112]
Agreed.
Progress on skills, RP, market, manufacturing, research, ect... should all halt on unpaid accounts. Corporation title positions, however, should be maintained.
How to deal with POS run by a single 'ghost' account that lacks any other corporate members to maintain it however? Does it continue to consume fuel until it runs out? Should it go offline immediately?
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.10.16 09:57:00 -
[113]
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Joss Sparq
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.16 11:00:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Serenity Steele
Originally by: Tevlent
Your market orders and research points should stop if the account is inactive. After all, with market orders up you can make money while your account is expired. With research points you can continue to accumulate them while your account is expired, and when you re-subscribe you come back to a fat amount of RPs that you can cash in for ISK. That is entirely inconsistent with the ghost training thing.
If CCP wants to remove ghost training then they should also remove market orders from inactive accounts, and stop inactive accounts from acquiring RPs.
Dividend payouts to inactive shareholders as well, those should be stopped.
Also GTC's must not be usable on an inactive account. If you want to reactivate an account they you have to pay in cold hard cash. This is the only way it can be fair to everyone because the benefits of having isk should accrue only to paying players!
Capsuleers who actively put their time and energy into working on their characters should reap the benefits of the game, not inactive ones. TIMExENERGY=PROFIT! NOT TIMExINACTIVE=PROFIT!
I'd agree with it, without the non-GTC option.
Simply because with multiple accounts, it's easy and frequent enough that an account goes inactive because you weren't watching the days remaining on the account. Transferring isk to the inactive account, from an active one, should still be possible.
After further consideration, I've changed my position from my previously held & (elsewhere) stated opinion and so support the issue raised, as it has been edited by Serenity.
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Ugleb
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.16 11:04:00 -
[115]
Abolutely.
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procurement specialist
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Posted - 2008.10.16 11:19:00 -
[116]
you aren't going far enough.
once an account laspes it should stay paying impound fees on all items in all stations. prolly make it equal to say 1 isk per m3 per day of laspe.
then you need to lose sp when you lapse because you know. use it or lose it. i would say 100k sp per day off of the highest sp skill first.
then your rp should just go away. you unsubbed they don't know you anymore. you shuold have to regrind all of your positive factions but keep your negatives.
finally you should all ....
sorry. don't really care much about the loss of ghost training especially if we finally get a skill queue but all the whining about it has annoyed me.
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2008.10.16 11:21:00 -
[117]
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crschlink
F.T.S.L.
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Posted - 2008.10.16 19:07:00 -
[118]
Firm beleiver in pay to play, not paying shouldn't equal an inflated wallet.
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Azuraito
Capital Produce
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.10.16 21:32:00 -
[119]
I agree with this, it should really have been considered by the GM's when ghost training was on the board!
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Hiding would be the way to go.
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Sir SmellyFart
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Posted - 2008.10.16 21:48:00 -
[120]
Yes! And throw out chars who haven't been subscribed for over a month. DAMN those leeching database fillers!!!
It allways makes me laugh when companies claim stuff like this is stretching their hardware while the performance/dollar ratio of that hardware doubles every 1-2 years. Storage, bandwith and calculation power have never been cheaper and will continue to get cheaper pretty much forever. Yet ccp needs to nerf things like ghost training and up prices? Instead of laughing I should really be crying shouldn't I?
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blathering idiot
Helliburton Inc
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2008.10.17 18:39:00 -
[121]
No profit for the dead. |
Pallaxia
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Posted - 2009.01.12 22:42:00 -
[122]
Inactive accounts should have no impact in-game: remove RP accumulation, market orders, contracts, corp standings, research/manufacturing jobs (both individual and corp) within a reasonable (48-72 hr) grace period. |
SencneS
Amarr
Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2009.01.12 23:23:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Tevlent
Edited by: Tevlent on 15/10/2008 02:03:07
Your market orders and research points should stop if the account is inactive. After all, with market orders up you can make money while your account is expired. With research points you can continue to accumulate them while your account is expired, and when you re-subscribe you come back to a fat amount of RPs that you can cash in for ISK. That is entirely inconsistent with the ghost training thing.
If CCP wants to remove ghost training then they should also remove market orders from inactive accounts, and stop inactive accounts from acquiring RPs.
Dividend payouts to inactive shareholders as well, those should be stopped.
Capsuleers who actively put their time and energy into working on their characters should reap the benefits of the game, not inactive ones. TIMExENERGY=PROFIT! NOT TIMExINACTIVE=PROFIT!
While I whole heartedly support the idea of turning off RP generation and shutting down Market orders. This will not actually solve any problems.
You'll end up with thousands of corporate orders instead.
Say for argument sake I have 2 accounts. I use these two accounts to have 1,830 Market orders on the market (Max market slots).
I put all the slow moving orders on the account I'm going to unsubscribe to. Place them as "On behalf of the Corporation" then unsub.
I have 915 Corporate orders out there in which my active account can modify. I wait 90 days then resub for 1 month just to enter new orders. Wait another 90 days etc.
The ownership of the orders is the corporation, not the player. So although the logical choice would be "Remove them as well" you've now found a way to greif a corporation.
Load up the sell orders, subsub... It keeps that stuff locked away, but not on the market. Imagine doing that to come expensive BPOs etc. |
Axel Vindislaga
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Posted - 2009.01.14 09:09:00 -
[124]
Now I understand how players can stand to have their BPs tied down for such a long time and clog up the research facilities. This will have serious repercussions that will not all be unhappily received but after the shock waves have finished rolling around New Eden players will just get used to the new rules. It just has to be supported...There is no other rational choice. It just isn't fair.
And as for CCP getting money well they are kinda running a business they have lives and need to eat. Take some time to actually consider their running costs. I for one and happy to pay because I think Eve is a project worth supporting and in hind sight Eve TV was worth supporting and would go back and chip some cash to help out. I am considering getting a second account but that might diminish my original and best guy. |
Orb Vex
R.U.R.
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[125]
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Ecatherina W
Gallente
Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish
Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2009.01.14 11:53:00 -
[126]
I am undecided about this... sounds fair in general, but how about market orders for a corp or research for a corp? The CEO does not get to know if an account is going idle - and so he/she has the problem of suddenly have BPOs not researching because someone did not pay his/her eve account for a week?
Hmmm
I guess that means I am not in support of the proposal.
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Hans Arienth
Lightspeed Logistics
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[127]
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Akadio
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Posted - 2009.01.14 19:59:00 -
[128]
Edited by: Akadio on 14/01/2009 20:02:13
Edited by: Akadio on 14/01/2009 19:59:48
While i can agree with the original idea and many more that ive read in post that mess with markets etc since it does ultimatly mess with it in the long run i cant agree with
Originally by: Biscuit0
Hrm... just remove inactive chars from EVE altogether.
It's like they never existed. :iiam:
Well Pardon me for not been able to afford Eve all the time, some of us have other things to worry about other than Eve, so what your telling me is im to poor to afford eve and if if i cant play for say 9 months due to money problems that i should lose ALL my ships my isk my skills becasue i cant afford the subscription?
Well TBH thats whats happend to me i come back after 9 months inactive i had nothing in the market that would mess with it and give me an unfair returning advantage. What am i rewarded with for re subing?? 15 million ISK 6 Months of skill training multiple ships gone removed i dont even have the character Because that got deleted Too, so yeah understandbly im well and truly miffed, ive paid CCP to play thier game which i think is worth the time and effot to play, and i get kicked in the teeth and told that i need to place a pettion to resolve the issue
Signing With your Orginal Idea Not With Removing Characters Altogether, my counter argument to that is ive PAID CCP for that privledge why should they strip it from us? |
Draygo Korvan
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.01.14 22:05:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Akadio
Edited by: Akadio on 14/01/2009 20:02:13
Edited by: Akadio on 14/01/2009 19:59:48
While i can agree with the original idea and many more that ive read in post that mess with markets etc since it does ultimatly mess with it in the long run i cant agree with
Originally by: Biscuit0
Hrm... just remove inactive chars from EVE altogether.
It's like they never existed. :iiam:
Well Pardon me for not been able to afford Eve all the time, some of us have other things to worry about other than Eve, so what your telling me is im to poor to afford eve and if if i cant play for say 9 months due to money problems that i should lose ALL my ships my isk my skills becasue i cant afford the subscription?
Well TBH thats whats happend to me i come back after 9 months inactive i had nothing in the market that would mess with it and give me an unfair returning advantage. What am i rewarded with for re subing?? 15 million ISK 6 Months of skill training multiple ships gone removed i dont even have the character Because that got deleted Too, so yeah understandbly im well and truly miffed, ive paid CCP to play thier game which i think is worth the time and effot to play, and i get kicked in the teeth and told that i need to place a pettion to resolve the issue
Signing With your Orginal Idea Not With Removing Characters Altogether, my counter argument to that is ive PAID CCP for that privledge why should they strip it from us?
You sir are a shining gem of intelligence in this otherwise mentally deprived thread. |
Mos7Wan7ed
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Posted - 2009.01.14 22:59:00 -
[130]
Edited by: Mos7Wan7ed on 14/01/2009 23:06:08
depending in the market orders that could be alot of isk loss by having market orders suddenly end they would have to be suspended.
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The Racketeer
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Posted - 2009.01.14 23:04:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Zinnn
This just sounds like a bunch of suicidal fans that want to make sure to nail in the final nails in Eve's coffin.
I agree. Strip all the features out of an unsubscribed account. Let's get this band-aid ripped off fast and let the hemmhoraging of CCP's cashflow begin.
how in the world will suspending income and rp of accounts that aren't being paid for going to hurt ccp? that one/two month a year that account logs in to harvest rp?
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Saphirro
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Posted - 2009.01.15 00:47:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Bunyip
...Players should have their characters dropped if the following three conditions apply:
- They've been inactive for six or more months
- They have less than 2m SP
- They have not paid their account for six months.
I bet people are glad they voted for you.
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Sir Ibex
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Posted - 2009.01.15 15:39:00 -
[133]
Sure, let's butcher and destroy whatever little good is still left in this game. Let's make even more people cancel their subscription! After all why should YOU care? You ALREADY made your billions of isk by exploiting the heck out of eve when you could. Who cares about all those that have YET to make all that isk without all the benefits that you had all these years! Right?
No *uc* you buddy. BIG THUMBS DOWN. 
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Saphirro
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Posted - 2009.01.15 19:20:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Sir Ibex
Sure, let's butcher and destroy whatever little good is still left in this game. Let's make even more people cancel their subscription! After all why should YOU care? You ALREADY made your billions of isk by exploiting the heck out of eve when you could. Who cares about all those that have YET to make all that isk without all the benefits that you had all these years! Right?
No *uc* you buddy. BIG THUMBS DOWN.
Wow. You're angry. |
Gone'Postal
Aztec Industry
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Posted - 2009.01.15 19:47:00 -
[135]
All or nothing. |
Dark Fairy
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Posted - 2009.01.18 04:07:00 -
[136]
you shouldnt get isk like that |
Bunyip
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Posted - 2009.01.18 07:00:00 -
[137]
Hello all,
I¦ve been talking to the devs while here in Iceland, and they know about the problems. I can¦t go into details due to the NDA, but your cries have not fallen on deaf ears.
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barvo
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.01.18 13:01:00 -
[138]
Edited by: barvo on 18/01/2009 13:06:11
edit - in after CSM!
Originally by: Ecatherina W
I am undecided about this... sounds fair in general, but how about market orders for a corp or research for a corp? The CEO does not get to know if an account is going idle - and so he/she has the problem of suddenly have BPOs not researching because someone did not pay his/her eve account for a week?
I would suggest that if you're a CEO and your member who was researching your BPOs has gone inactive, you've got more important issues than the level of ME of that BP, like, how the hell to get their blueprints back. |
William Pierce
Universal Army
Ushra'Khan
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