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Sigil Luvarh
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Posted - 2008.10.18 08:28:00 -
[4411]
Edited by: Sigil Luvarh on 18/10/2008 08:30:24
 Originally by: Staberind
Edited by: Staberind on 18/10/2008 08:10:31
Originally by: Sigil Luvarh
I believe CCP did the right thing. <snip> Edit for logic.
This whole post is wasted seriously, </snip> 
Indeed, yet you felt a strong desire to add to it, let your feelings be known, just like the rest of the people here, bar [ahem] certain alts.
Lots of peeps are bothered by the selling point/feature cancellation, still more are bothered by the way this company is handling this. so, by your logic, to be unhappy with being reamed with no reach-round makes us crazy? well, good for you, as it seems you are getting your wish, we are being ignored.
Wonderful ain't it =) Don't know why they're getting so worked up really. Why are they worried about the feature. At least now people will now have to pay for their alts which is a wonderful thing. If they don't pay they can't play if their main char get wardecced in hi-Sec. I think that's fair. But then again my opinion don't matter does it =p, though you were one of the kind people to prove me wrong by actually replying to me.
I think if I were swamped with that many posts, I'd lock the thread read through it, then reopen it to find out what else the crowd had to say. But people are right though, the only way I could find this thread is through a third party site =p.
Cheers
You noticed me.
=)
Sigil
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Chani Fedaykin
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Posted - 2008.10.18 08:51:00 -
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it is plain pathetic to lock the voting thread in the assembly hall forum with the reason to keep the discussion in this thread.
these two threads have two different purposes - as well as a different audience per se...
very good crm ccp :P |
BIind
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Posted - 2008.10.18 09:11:00 -
[4413]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Seth Ruin
Originally by: Son Korhal
Edited by: Son Korhal on 14/10/2008 17:52:30
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Test2
Lost for words on another epic ccp fail idea?
Edit: Ok wrangler likes to delete his own posts.
Makes me think the "test" posts are possibly Wrangler trying to fix this thread? Could be that it disappeared entirely by accident, and they're actually trying to fix it 
Yes, we're trying to fix it but we'll need to have web take a look at it. It's still accessible through the other sticky though.
Any updates from "web"?
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NereSky
Gallente
Trinity Nova
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.18 09:22:00 -
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Originally by: Chani Fedaykin
it is plain pathetic to lock the voting thread in the assembly hall forum with the reason to keep the discussion in this thread.
these two threads have two different purposes - as well as a different audience per se...
very good crm ccp :P
I think its absolutely disgusting locking a voting thread - removing non vote posts yes but locking the thread o.0
I was under the impression it was the players opputunity to be able to vote on issues
Its irrelevant whether the topic is agreed or not - but this clearly shows CCP's attitude in ignoring issues and sweeping them under the the 'magic' rug
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Frances Ducoir
Gallente
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.18 09:42:00 -
[4415]
Originally by: Lady Godgifu
Originally by: Frances Ducoir
Originally by: Doomsday
Its just so easy. CCPs game, CCPs rules.
Just like in every other MMO: "Adapt or Die."
I pay them to play a game. A game with a feature, which was avaiable over 5 years. They disabled it, i dont pay them anymore...
... easy enough isnt it?
Keep this "Adapt or Die" Crap for yourself. I'AM THE COSTUMER. I dont have to adapt to anything, especcially not disabled features, which are now declared as a bug and cause outrages within the whole comunity. This is ridiculous. Shame on you CCP.
fair play dude, I'm not bothered renewing either, hell I'm not playing atm and I sure as hell ain't going to pay to skill train. Got 3/4 games on my pc atm that I haven't gotten around to playing.
Might check out ambulation when it comes out on one of those trial accounts but that certainly wasn't keeping me playing, lag and the time sink that is Eve is are my main issues with the game.
The fact they removed flexibility with gtc's and now ghost training just killed it for me.
thats exactly the same way i see it. i played the game because of its flexibility and the possibility to go away for 1-2 months, let it rest, come back and still have progressed. this was one of EVEs main advantages over other MMOGs.
*snip* Signiture remoted because it contained profanity - hutch |
killerco
Gallente
Dutch T2 Production
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Posted - 2008.10.18 09:44:00 -
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Good move on the switching off the training for accounts that does not pay!
Well done! It wasn't fair too those who pay money too play and train!
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NereSky
Gallente
Trinity Nova
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.18 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: killerco
Good move on the switching off the training for accounts that does not pay!
Well done! It wasn't fair too those who pay money too play and train!
'Blinkered view' 4tl
You need to look at the bigger picture, firstly i dont ghost train but i dont agree about CCP's decision for the following reasons clearly explained throughout this thread.
You make it sound as though players are on a free ride with Ghost training well tbh they are not they still pay subs and its those subs CCP will lose and if CCP lose income then so does the game and if the game loses income so we lose the shiny updates etc
A lot of players tend to go on various breaks for various reasons , business holidays and basically having a rest from the game they either stop their sub while away (lets say on a 6 wk business trip) setting a lon skill say 45 days, they dont log in so they are not enjoying the game play but the 'ghost training' ensured on their return and reactivation of the account that horrible skill was completed.
Maybe 1 month sub lost out of 12 - ccp have still received 11 months of subs,
You say its unfair - how can it be the player isnt playing the game for free - just away from home for a month or so, the player may even forget to renew the subscription before going on holiday at least the skill continues to be trained.
Examples of why its a bad idea scrapping the ghost training can be found everywhere, whether ghost training affects the individual or not is irrelevant but you have to see past what affects 'you' but what affects the game ie less subs coming in - accounts cancelled = less money coing in
Less money coming in = cutbacks
Cutbacks = 'Killerco' complaining about service which has been reduced because 'Ghost training' was removed
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Harudan
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.10.18 10:09:00 -
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Training Cruiser V.
If it isn't done in a month I am not re-subscribing - Ever.
Simple as that CCP.
Maybe if this game was ú8.99 per month (Like the most successful MMO ever) I could stomach leaving the subscription running while I BOUGHT the skill.
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Tivookz
Caldari
IMPERIAL SENATE
Pure.
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Posted - 2008.10.18 10:15:00 -
[4419]
This is an outrage on a massive scale.
You devs should all be treated like the "GREED" victim in the movie Seven or Se7en.
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Sandy Minge
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Posted - 2008.10.18 10:20:00 -
[4420]
Edited by: Sandy Minge on 18/10/2008 10:23:35
Originally by: killerco
Good move on the switching off the training for accounts that does not pay!
Well done! It wasn't fair too those who pay money too play and train!
I've seen loads of these posts recently.
But how is it unfair at all to ppl who keep their subscriptions active 365/a ?
Does it hurt the others if you ghost skill?
No - Because even accounts which are active 75%/a and played 0-75%/a are a better revenue to CCP than no accounts at all.
No - Because inactive accounts cannot log in and hence they do not increase lag - The data they take up for the offline skilling is one line in an XML Table and the algorithm to implement the skilling shouldn't be in a higher complexity class than O(n).
If you guys - back when CCP called it a feature - didn't take advantage of this technique then its all your fault. So don't blame ppl who've been simply a tad smarter than you.
Analogy:
If I agree to work a job in RL and get paid $5000/month then I shouldn't be mad at the guy who works the same job for $5500 - Simply because I AGREED to do the job for the amount of money I get paid!
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Gorek Loc
Etherware Heavy Engineering
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Posted - 2008.10.18 10:21:00 -
[4421]
A few links to forums and artcles, discusses this event too. This was done with a quick search on Google:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/207413
http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156195
http://www.massively.com/2008/10/13/ccp-games-kills-ghost-training-on-inactive-eve-accounts/
http://massiveblips.dailyradar.com/story/why_ghost_training_was_disabled/
http://link.removed
These are only a few of the links I found. This proves that ghost training was intended, encouraged and an attractive feature, from a customers point of view.
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Xeronn
Amarr
Ordo Drakonis
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.18 10:21:00 -
[4422]
no response eh?
CCP ghosttrained Ignore VIII all this years?
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NereSky
Gallente
Trinity Nova
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.18 10:32:00 -
[4423]
Originally by: Xeronn
no response eh?
CCP ghosttrained Ignore VIII all this years?
Possibly, or just burying their heads in the sand, hoping it will blow away again, but theres only so many times they can do this and each time someone else leaves,
Locking the 'voting thread' in the assembly hall hasnt helped much imo another example of CCP not caring even though they advertise a logo of 'We care more we work harder' http://www.ccpgames.com/
Well they have proven they dont care and also proven they work harder at not caring :)
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Gorek Loc
Etherware Heavy Engineering
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Posted - 2008.10.18 10:35:00 -
[4424]
Originally by: Xeronn
no response eh?
CCP ghosttrained Ignore VIII all this years?
haha... they are exploiting the feature themselves... this thread has been training since the bug was unveiled to the world!
But seriously, how about making a a new thread with this discussion, without the hidden part?
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Tivookz
Caldari
IMPERIAL SENATE
Pure.
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Posted - 2008.10.18 10:35:00 -
[4425]
Originally by: Harudan
Training Cruiser V.
If it isn't done in a month I am not re-subscribing - Ever.
Simple as that CCP.
Maybe if this game was ú8.99 per month (Like the most successful MMO ever) I could stomach leaving the subscription running while I BOUGHT the skill.
It's already in.
It cancelled my Dreadnought lvl 5 skill train 2 days prior to completion ( oct 15th was day of implemention, oct 17 was day of completion of skill )
The break I took while training dread lvl 5 was a necessary one and I would have cancelled my sub even if I knew I wouldn't be able to continue skilling.
Tiv
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Jimmy Cliff
Dawning Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.18 10:39:00 -
[4426]
Edited by: Jimmy Cliff on 18/10/2008 10:41:16
Somebody mentioned about sending snail-mail to CCCP office...
Here is the adress... hopefully they will be so happy about getting stamps from all over the world, they will reconsider the 'bug-fix'
Headquarters
CCP hf.
Grandagar=ur 8
101 Reykjavik
Iceland
and when we are in Reykjavik anyway for the fanfest, we can pay them a friendly visit too :) bring the snail-mail letter too:
Map of CCP and Reykjavik
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Aikanaro
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.10.18 10:43:00 -
[4427]
How can ccp say that it is UNFAIR to other players? Selling a couple gtc for bills of isk is fair? Selling gtc's so you can buy a 2-3year old char is fair?
This at least to say very lame of ccp, and the way they announced this. After 5 years its suddenly a bug that needs to be removed... I mean come on!
I have four chars that will be soon 2 after the accounts expire.
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Waynetta Slob
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Posted - 2008.10.18 10:50:00 -
[4428]
Originally by: Tivookz
Originally by: Harudan
Training Cruiser V.
If it isn't done in a month I am not re-subscribing - Ever.
Simple as that CCP.
Maybe if this game was ú8.99 per month (Like the most successful MMO ever) I could stomach leaving the subscription running while I BOUGHT the skill.
It's already in.
It cancelled my Dreadnought lvl 5 skill train 2 days prior to completion ( oct 15th was day of implemention, oct 17 was day of completion of skill )
The break I took while training dread lvl 5 was a necessary one and I would have cancelled my sub even if I knew I wouldn't be able to continue skilling.
Tiv
Confirmed, I discovered this on my alt that I reactivated yesterday.
Out of interest, how much is monthly (if you pay 1 month a time) fee in the UK?
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Parasite S
Death Monkey's With Knives
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Posted - 2008.10.18 10:56:00 -
[4429]
Originally by: Sigil Luvarh
Wonderful ain't it =) Don't know why they're getting so worked up really. Why are they worried about the feature. At least now people will now have to pay for their alts which is a wonderful thing. If they don't pay they can't play if their main char get wardecced in hi-Sec. I think that's fair. But then again my opinion don't matter does it =p, though you were one of the kind people to prove me wrong by actually replying to me.
I think if I were swamped with that many posts, I'd lock the thread read through it, then reopen it to find out what else the crowd had to say. But people are right though, the only way I could find this thread is through a third party site =p.
Cheers
You noticed me.
=)
Sigil
they cant play if their main char get wardecced... lol get a clue.
people who stay with 1 account just move their alts to this one.... 3 slots anyone?
Originally by: Sigil Luvarh
I believe CCP did the right thing. Good for you CCP. Ignore the crazy people.
Everyone is whining and *****ing about the change. I look at it and say, "Hmmm we're getting rid of the freeloaders now eh?"
I've gotten a couple of months out of it. But times change, sometimes for the harder. Comeon people, Eve-online is the toughest most bloody hostile game in the world right now and the players are all wusses? Seriously, just take those 5 years as a bloody bonus and get on with the damned game.
I pay real money just like the rest of you, and in fact I pay a higher percentage of my monthly wage than any of you can choose to compare with. If you make roughly 1500 USD a month its only 1% of your income. I pay 4% of my monthly income. Sheesh, it's a damned service. Pay for it. The game is bloody good and you guys know it. There is no reason to actually fuss, frankly, it hurt more when noobs got 1 mil skillpoints when i started with 23 k.
This whole post is wasted seriously, because no one listens to reason. Where else can you find entertainment for 15 bucks a month that lasts for 30 days? I mean seriously, we even have less downtime than WoW and they HAVE to sit in front of their coms and grind all the time anyways.
Sheesh.
Good luck have fun. I'm with CCP all the way, even warhammer online is nothing compared to this.
"Hmmm we're getting rid of the freeloaders now eh?"
not really but more of the people who run several accounts to get forward in more than 1 bloody way in the game and test it complete out *which is IMPOSSIBLE WITH A SINGLE CHAR!* aswell as people who got burned out and want to take a break for a month or to and come back for more fun *and if you than fall behind anyone you know cause you couldnt train skills it really feels bad... in EVERY MMO....thats what made Eve really SPECIAL!*.
I pay real money just like the rest of you, and in fact I pay a higher percentage....blabla
honestly thats your own choice to pay nothing more.
This whole post is wasted seriously, because no one listens to reason. Where else can you find entertainment for 15 bucks a month that lasts for 30 days? I mean seriously, we even have less downtime than WoW and they HAVE to sit in front of their coms and grind all the time anyways.
30days entertainment for 15 bucks.....yeah excluding downtimes.....excluding extended downtimes.... excluding nodecrashes...excluding watching at the loginscreen for 4 hours....excluding "our logs dont show anything we cant reimburse..."....etc... mmh ever did pos wars? really a lot of fun 
grind all the time.... uhm not sure what you do for money but when i want isk for a new ship and expensive stuff i normaly have to grind it. be it ratting, missioning, complexrunning, manufacturing *ok here fails the grindpart maybe but the calculations you have to make upfront in comparsion with daily marketcheck makes easy up for it*
than again its how ccp handles stuff. "accident in accountpage so not accessable" | "accident in thread showing up not fixable"...
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Mia Aires
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Posted - 2008.10.18 10:57:00 -
[4430]
$$$
Simple to me...
I was thinking to get an 2nd acount - NO THANKS NOW
And I don't think to extend my current account.
There have been some revenue/profit related decissions at the expense of us customes the past.
- Like the cacellation of 30 and 90 day accounts
- Ghost training
Upps or do you (dear clients) think there is a conjunction?
[Honi soit qui mal y pense] 
CCP look at your custmers!!!!!!
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Parasite S
Death Monkey's With Knives
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Posted - 2008.10.18 11:01:00 -
[4431]
Originally by: Gorek Loc
A few links to forums and artcles, discusses this event too. This was done with a quick search on Google:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/207413
http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156195
http://www.massively.com/2008/10/13/ccp-games-kills-ghost-training-on-inactive-eve-accounts/
http://massiveblips.dailyradar.com/story/why_ghost_training_was_disabled/
http://link.removed
These are only a few of the links I found. This proves that ghost training was intended, encouraged and an attractive feature, from a customers point of view.
maybe cause the people who care are people who stick with eve and that for a long time and dont want to see their best mmorpg changing to the worst they ever had.
infact the links of people you upped there are mostly of people who play several mmo's and move constantly on. thats not like people who are really stick to eve and just want to have once a holiday in year while not falling behind their friends or loosing expensive and long training time you spend over a month in training skills for....
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.18 11:08:00 -
[4432]
Remember you have no right on free stuff.
If you paid for the skill training and then CCP just took your money and gave you nothing in return, then I would be on your side, but right now it is the other way around. Too many people farmed Alts with this mechanic and too many people used/abused the mechanic to maximise skill time.
Yes, the whole thing should have been removed 2 years ago, when the same thing was applied to serenity, but character farming was less of a problem on TQ back in the day.
I also cannot understand the emorage about "advertizing" the feature. It was described in one player guide and these player guides were written with the aid of players. It was never, ever activly advertized.
Even if the would have advertised it, which CCP did not, game mechanics change all the time and CCP has every right to make this change, especially if they think the use of this mechanic affects their business in a negative way.
Please do also remember that the influx of high skilled Alt chars is creating balancing problems as well, when suddenly everyone has at least two capital ship capable Alts and a third account from where he supports the other Alts by selling farmed Characters.
So yes, for balancing reasons, the automatic research with agents and market orders should also be put on hold during account inactivity.
For me, the whole carebear stuff of earning ISK is part of the game and if you want to make money than it should be done by playing the game, not by farming ISK, while the account is even inactive.
If you want free stuff, then there are plenty of "free" mmorpg out there, but there you will also soon discover, that nothing is really "free" in the world.
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Zanpt
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.18 11:09:00 -
[4433]
****ing scumsucking ****witted liars! If it wasn't actually intended years ago but just fell out from the way they implemented training, they certainly touted it publicly as an advantage, and people took them at their word. Particularly considering the length of time this feature has been an accepted part of the game, nerfing it now and lying about it and inventing excuses for it just confirms for me the ongoing history of self-serving, dishonest dealing that characterizes CCP.
I only occasionally used this feature because tbh it is difficult to time account expirations with the availability of a long training step. But here is my response to this pile of shit outrage:
I will fine CCP an amount at least three times what I estimate to have been the slight advantage of "ghost training" in the course of a year. I will do this by idling some of my accounts. I will idle accounts for at least three times the periods I might have otherwise gotten some usefulness of "ghost training."
In this regard I am inventing the "ghost subscriber" -- one who denies CCP subscription fees as a penalty for making egregiously stupid, greedy and dishonest policy decisions.
Ah, good... I see I have some account dates coming up in the next few days. I'll cancel them now.
I'm particularly ****ed off because I'm entering the last and painful phase of stage 4 cancer and may have only six months or so to live. I am sensitized to anything that affects how I use my remaining time. A pox on CCP. May your shitty islands drop back into the ocean in a fiery volcanic eruption.
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Janus Duo
Gallente
Down In Flames
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Posted - 2008.10.18 11:16:00 -
[4434]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
You're all kinda acting like a bunch of stupid jerkoffs.
I've used this newly termed "ghost training" extensively, and figured that since it was allowed, it was OK by CCP. I thought it was pretty much great, that they did this for players with limited schedules. But, turns out it was a bug, and I got about 20 million skillpoints from training while I was unsubscribed, which CCP never meant me to have. CCP could have reversed all prior ghost training to level the playing field, but they didn't. The rules just changed. Eve players are known for their ability to adapt - those who don't adapt die and quit. So... adapt.
Wow, and all this time I actually thought you were smart. You're actually EATING DCP's bull shit!
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Mezikk
Earned In Blood
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Posted - 2008.10.18 11:19:00 -
[4435]
Well I think the main reason this sucks is because not many people play the game all the time, they will take breaks. Its really nice to come back to the game with something new to fly or do.
I have never, ever seen anyone complain about this feature, or view it as an exploit. On the contrary, it is a selling point of the game.
I doubt it was a move to make more money on CCP's behalf mainly because it won't. There will be less accounts and less people returning. Only way they could make some profit from it is if they just posted it to get a bunch of accounts back quickly then change their minds at a later date.
Mez
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Borneous
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Posted - 2008.10.18 11:43:00 -
[4436]
I do get that we life in an economic world and that companies are made to make money. The point is that this feature had been around for like 5 years. Most players in EVE, play for like 1-2 years. After that they will quit or do another mmorg. The fact that players have more accounts is because of the fact that CCP disabled skill training in the current active account for second or third character. In my opinion it would be better to enable this function and increase the monthly fee to compensate it. This way the player keeps his account active, because he needs something to play/trade with. We got to do with an economic crisis; most of the players would understand that.
You have to think about how you make the game attractive to people. They are you costumers! If they donÆt feel the need to come back then you did a bad job.
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Sky Marshal
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.10.18 11:46:00 -
[4437]
Edited by: Sky Marshal on 18/10/2008 11:52:41
Originally by: Kerfira
EVE:
Month 1: Whiner pays for play time and skill training.
Month 2: Whiner demands free skill training because he paid last month.
Restaurant:
Month 1: Whiner pays for meal and drinks.
Month 2: Whiner demands free drinks because he paid last month.
Both are companies selling their products. Why is one required to give away theirs for free?
EVE:
Month 1: Customer pays for play time and skill training.
Month 2: Customer had free skill training because he paid last month, but he is not able to play anymore.
Month 3: See Month 2, the player want return in the game because his skill is completed since a moment.
Mobicarte/Others call companies:
Moment 1/Month 1 : Customer pays a card to have a phone number for his mobile phone, be able to call everyone for 15€ maximum, but be able to receive unlimited calls from everyone for 6 months, freely.
Month 3 : Customer can still receive calls for free but he used all his emission credits, he must pay to be able to make new calls, but decide to not do it for the moment (his choice).
Month 5 : Can still receive calls, but he decides to buy new credits.
This is unfair about any phone user who pay monthly subscription, isn't it ?
Both are companies selling their products. Curiously, they are not near the bankrupt...
CCP just make a decision : Stop the training 3 days after the expiration of the account.
So in others words, limit the Ghost Training to 3 days. This stop all abuses, but also erase the unique caracteristic to this game.
CCP can make the limitation to 20 days. This don't permit to skill Carrier V, unless you pay more often (or BS V entirely etc...), to reinitialise the limitation, but this would still keep the unique feature of EvE to permit anyone bored to make a break without lose too much time.
Return to the game with the idea that I am near the possibility to use HAS or others ships is more incensitive than "EvE is a good game", because EvE is not free of annoying problems who can change the player motivation to come back.
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IR Scoutar
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.18 11:47:00 -
[4438]
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
stuffs
please reread the thread to get some more clues as to why people are a bit more bothered 
btw lol panicnewsletter
even that completly bs "laser crafts" think nobody could care less about is in the newsletter
lmao
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Face deBouc
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Posted - 2008.10.18 11:58:00 -
[4439]
Cool  i'have post in a 147 pages thread
Now, please CCP shoot the ghost market orders, ghost R&D and any other ghost.
Thanks,
Best regards,
A Customer
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Joseph Snite
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Posted - 2008.10.18 12:10:00 -
[4440]
I understand where people are comming from on both sides.
People who have been playing EVE a few years, are saying go ahead and get rid of ghost training! why? because it means older characters are worth more. and maybe they dont have to worry about skills that take 35 days to train because they allready have them. You know how ridiculous it is to train a skill that takes 35 days, and better yet on a active subscription! So yea, its easy and makes you look cool to call people "whiners" because they think the notion is ridiculous. Its the same thing you see every time someone doesnt agree with whats going on.. "Oh QQ, another whiner post" rather then actually attempt to see where a person is comming from.
Think about the concept for a moment. And try not to let your ignorence get in the way.
A person pays a months subscription "15$ or about 50 cents a day. As a beginner character, there isnt much to do... except skill train... So you log in, change a skill. (a few days go by, you still havent even played the game) skill completes, start another. rinse repeat. but whats next? subscription is running out.. So you have to spend another 15$ to continue your "skill training" because isnt that the only thing you are really doing?
So in other words, if a person is only logging on to change a skill.. Are they really getting their 15$ a month worth of the game??
So whatever, I dont even care. Remove ghost training, im done putting my words into this. Whats done is done, nothing is going to change it. And if it really is a "bug" which anyone with a 3rd grade intelligence knows it wasnt. Then its been fixed, but I'm pretty sure everyone knows whats really going on here.
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