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Mat Tassik	Posted - 2008.10.18 12:16:00 - [4441] Well, I was very amused about the first try to explain why "ghost learning" - nice try to give this thing a negative smell - is needed. I can deal with the actual explanation: the company has to earn money in order to have the capacity to keep this great thing alive and improve it for the community. Go on, that's ok, its a great game. But this may become some kind of "shoot yourself in the foot". In my opinion, double, triple accounts lead to an additional income for CCP just because of the "ghost training" option. It's your choice.
Sandy Minge	Posted - 2008.10.18 12:58:00 - [4442] Originally by: Mat Tassik Well, I was very amused about the first try to explain why "ghost learning" - nice try to give this thing a negative smell - is needed. ... Yeah, thought about this as well: BOO! LOOK AT MOI, I AM SPOOKY, EBIL GHOST-SKILLER! So CCP: If it's called Ghost-Skilling then why can other players still target and shoot me in my ghost skilled HAC's 5? Shouldn't my char have acquired transcendent abilities such as immunity and invisibility by ghost-skilling spaceship command skills?
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.10.18 13:00:00 - [4443] Originally by: Janus Duo Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu You're all kinda acting like a bunch of stupid jerkoffs. I've used this newly termed "ghost training" extensively, and figured that since it was allowed, it was OK by CCP. I thought it was pretty much great, that they did this for players with limited schedules. But, turns out it was a bug, and I got about 20 million skillpoints from training while I was unsubscribed, which CCP never meant me to have. CCP could have reversed all prior ghost training to level the playing field, but they didn't. The rules just changed. Eve players are known for their ability to adapt - those who don't adapt die and quit. So... adapt. Wow, and all this time I actually thought you were smart. You're actually EATING DCP's bull shit! I'm not eating anything, sparky. I'm just disagreeing with you. It doesn't make me stupid. CCP let us get free SP for five years. It was an awesome practice, but if you look at it from a business standpoint, it was a slice of potential profits CCP wasn't getting. They're a corporation, and they need to make money. Hell, Iceland just went bankrupt. Can you really blame them for a little extra nickel-and-diming?
Tivookz Caldari IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2008.10.18 13:18:00 - [4444] Edited by: Tivookz on 18/10/2008 13:27:55 Removing ghost training is basically the same as telling your customers that anything they do while playing is not valid when their subscription runs out because after all, ghost training is a result of an action made while the account was active. Whats next? Removal of all sell orders when sub runs out? Because that's an action that lasts after sub runs out as well. Perhaps removal of corp? Removal of clones and contracts? Silly, greedy, lousy, ex mmo masters called CCCP.
Clansworth Burning Sky Labs Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.10.18 13:29:00 - [4445] Originally by: Aganola I know my post will drown in the topic nonetheless I feel compelled to say this: Help me calculate a 1 year subscription for an alt: 1: pre GTC nerf: 8 x 1 month GTC + 8 x 14 days ghost training 8 x 15$ = 120$ 2: post GTC nert (pre ghost nerf): 4 x 2 month GTC + 4 x 14 days ghost training 4 x 35$ = 140$ 3: post ghost nerf: 6 x 2 month GTC 6 x 35$ = 210$ And this DOES NOT EVEN INCLUDE THE PAYMENT (+210$!!) FOR THE REAL CHARACTER!!!! So basicly the cost of maintaining an alt doubled over the course of ONE year! Lot of people cannot keep up with this (myself included)... So this is the whine about... not just the screw over... :P Thank you You forgot to add one: Normal subscription, without ghost training 1 x 12-month subscription 1 x $131.40 = $131.40 sooo... still sounds affordable to me... and an aweful lot easier to have the account always active. POS Personal Storage
Tivookz Caldari IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2008.10.18 13:34:00 - [4446] Originally by: Clansworth Originally by: Aganola I know my post will drown in the topic nonetheless I feel compelled to say this: Help me calculate a 1 year subscription for an alt: 1: pre GTC nerf: 8 x 1 month GTC + 8 x 14 days ghost training 8 x 15$ = 120$ 2: post GTC nert (pre ghost nerf): 4 x 2 month GTC + 4 x 14 days ghost training 4 x 35$ = 140$ 3: post ghost nerf: 6 x 2 month GTC 6 x 35$ = 210$ And this DOES NOT EVEN INCLUDE THE PAYMENT (+210$!!) FOR THE REAL CHARACTER!!!! So basicly the cost of maintaining an alt doubled over the course of ONE year! Lot of people cannot keep up with this (myself included)... So this is the whine about... not just the screw over... :P Thank you You forgot to add one: Normal subscription, without ghost training 1 x 12-month subscription 1 x $131.40 = $131.40 sooo... still sounds affordable to me... and an aweful lot easier to have the account always active. For US players perhaps. However the majority of the eve players don't live in the US. Tiv
Velda Chulai	Posted - 2008.10.18 14:28:00 - [4447] Edited by: Velda Chulai on 18/10/2008 14:29:00 Originally by: Clansworth Originally by: Aganola I know my post will drown in the topic nonetheless I feel compelled to say this: Help me calculate a 1 year subscription for an alt: 1: pre GTC nerf: 8 x 1 month GTC + 8 x 14 days ghost training 8 x 15$ = 120$ 2: post GTC nert (pre ghost nerf): 4 x 2 month GTC + 4 x 14 days ghost training 4 x 35$ = 140$ 3: post ghost nerf: 6 x 2 month GTC 6 x 35$ = 210$ And this DOES NOT EVEN INCLUDE THE PAYMENT (+210$!!) FOR THE REAL CHARACTER!!!! So basicly the cost of maintaining an alt doubled over the course of ONE year! Lot of people cannot keep up with this (myself included)... So this is the whine about... not just the screw over... :P Thank you You forgot to add one: Normal subscription, without ghost training 1 x 12-month subscription 1 x $131.40 = $131.40 sooo... still sounds affordable to me... and an aweful lot easier to have the account always active. From a player's perspective, they transfer isk from their main or from trusting friends to the alt and apply the time code from a forum sell order. From CCP's, it works out to a sold time code. Realistically it's not likely that 6 time codes would sell to that account as long as there are month long skills being trained. The point still stands that timecodes which would not be otherwise sold are being used which would be a net gain for CCP.
Sandy Minge	Posted - 2008.10.18 14:29:00 - [4448] Originally by: Tivookz For US players perhaps. However the majority of the eve players don't live in the US. Tiv Ok here is my balance sheet: Started playing in JAN 2006, 2nd Account MAR 2006, 3rd Account in NOV 2006, 4th Account in December 2006, Paid with RL money, via regular Credit Card subscription to CCP I lost interest, got busy with RL in August 2007 - however kept 4 account for the training because I expected to come back soonish. In September 2008 I stocked down to 2 accounts because of the introduction of 60d GTCs and the removal of 30d and 90d GTCs. Now i've started buying skilltime - I do not refer to it as playing time, because I don't play - with my accumulated ISKs. Once the ISKs and assets are drained I am prolly going to hand over my chars to some good friends. but anyways here the balance: Months of skill time paid for: 30, 29, 18, 21 = 98 months. Months I played the game other than skilling: 20 Game time in months I paid for skilling exclusively: 41 Game time in months I am going to pay for for the sole purpose of skilling with RL funds: 0
TheG2 Gallente Dirty Rotten Scoundrels	Posted - 2008.10.18 15:09:00 - [4449] Posting in the still "bugged" thread. CCP fails and isn't getting anymore of my money. Lying to customers is a poor business practice.
Janus Duo Gallente Down In Flames	Posted - 2008.10.18 15:11:00 - [4450] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Originally by: Janus Duo Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu You're all kinda acting like a bunch of stupid jerkoffs. I've used this newly termed "ghost training" extensively, and figured that since it was allowed, it was OK by CCP. I thought it was pretty much great, that they did this for players with limited schedules. But, turns out it was a bug, and I got about 20 million skillpoints from training while I was unsubscribed, which CCP never meant me to have. CCP could have reversed all prior ghost training to level the playing field, but they didn't. The rules just changed. Eve players are known for their ability to adapt - those who don't adapt die and quit. So... adapt. Wow, and all this time I actually thought you were smart. You're actually EATING DCP's bull shit! I'm not eating anything, sparky. I'm just disagreeing with you. It doesn't make me stupid. CCP let us get free SP for five years. It was an awesome practice, but if you look at it from a business standpoint, it was a slice of potential profits CCP wasn't getting. They're a corporation, and they need to make money. Hell, Iceland just went bankrupt. Can you really blame them for a little extra nickel-and-diming? And yet you actually belive that this whole time this was a bug and that CCP really just happened to lose this particular thread? And from a business standpoint CCP will be losing money from me. I'm not gonna have all 3 of my accounts active all year. I keep my main active all year, and turn on and off the other 2 as needed keeping a skill training at all times. I'm gonna collapse back to one account after this losing CCP $30-40/month (price fluxuates due to meathod of payment costing different amounts) and I imagine quite a few other doing the same. In fact I can see few people starting to pay for those accounts. In the end removing features from your game makes LESS people want to buy it, not more. This whole thing is just showing that CCP are: -Stupid -*******s -Dishonest -Anti-free speech Now if you don't care about any of this that's cool. But if you actually believe the CCP line then THATs why I'd call your intelligence into question.

Gorek Loc Etherware Heavy Engineering	Posted - 2008.10.18 15:21:00 - [4451] Originally by: Parasite S maybe cause the people who care are people who stick with eve and that for a long time and dont want to see their best mmorpg changing to the worst they ever had... Eve is not family... This is a game that we pay for. If we don't like how it changes, we can leave. However, most of us do like the game, so we speak up to changes we don't like. My personal guess is that after the dust settles, CCCP has lost some of it's customers, and a bit of it's glow as a one-of-a-kind online game.
Tivookz Caldari IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2008.10.18 15:38:00 - [4452] Originally by: Gorek Loc Originally by: Parasite S maybe cause the people who care are people who stick with eve and that for a long time and dont want to see their best mmorpg changing to the worst they ever had... Eve is not family... This is a game that we pay for. If we don't like how it changes, we can leave. However, most of us do like the game, so we speak up to changes we don't like. My personal guess is that after the dust settles, CCCP has lost some of it's customers, and a bit of it's glow as a one-of-a-kind online game. Unless they choose to do the right thing and revoke the change, only then do they show they are a one of a kind mmo maker who actually listens closely to what the community demands. Tiv
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.18 15:42:00 - [4453] Thread is visible again, heh.
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE R-I-P	Posted - 2008.10.18 15:45:00 - [4454] Originally by: BIind Thread is visible again, heh. Funny that. The hidden ghost training eradication reply thread
Tivookz Caldari IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2008.10.18 15:48:00 - [4455] I wonder what Wrangler changed his mind about? Linkage Tiv
Janus Duo Gallente Down In Flames	Posted - 2008.10.18 15:52:00 - [4456] He meant to post on his alt BIind and so he changed it. ;-)
Fwuffy Wabbit	Posted - 2008.10.18 15:54:00 - [4457] Originally by: Tivookz I wonder what Wrangler changed his mind about? Linkage Tiv I do believe he was trying to make the thread visible again

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2008.10.18 15:55:00 - [4458] Originally by: Fwuffy Wabbit Originally by: Tivookz I wonder what Wrangler changed his mind about? Linkage Tiv I do believe he was trying to make the thread visible again Yup, but this time it worked. Wrangler Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Email Reducing lag in EVE: The Jita Conundrum - StacklessIO or: How We Reduced Lag - Such Stuff As Dreams Are Made On - EVE64 - My node was equipped with the following...

Ji Sama Caldari Department of Defence	Posted - 2008.10.18 15:55:00 - [4459] Would you stop whining about this BUG fix. I have 1 account i train 1 toon, and i am ok with that. Most of my friends have 2 accounts and they dont complain about this. If you really want to do something meaningful in response to this change, stop spamming the forums and close your accounts. BBTHXBB And lastly dont forget to check out the link in my signature.. "the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play
Sandy Minge	Posted - 2008.10.18 15:55:00 - [4460] Originally by: Janus Duo He meant to post on his alt BIind and so he changed it. ;-) tis! :p

Ryan Scouse'UK omen. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.18 15:58:00 - [4461] EVE-Pricey Online ! Bye bye EVE! no EVE related content in signature. ~Weatherman
Gorek Loc Etherware Heavy Engineering	Posted - 2008.10.18 15:59:00 - [4462] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: Fwuffy Wabbit Originally by: Tivookz I wonder what Wrangler changed his mind about? Linkage Tiv I do believe he was trying to make the thread visible again Yup, but this time it worked. Good job unhiding the thread... now are you going to do anything to try to keep your customers ? Introduce some sort of discount for multiple account customers, and ghost training won't be an issue.
Mashie Saldana Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.10.18 16:02:00 - [4463] Originally by: Gorek Loc Introduce some sort of discount for multiple account customers, and ghost training won't be an issue. Why? Should I get refunded for having 4 full subs for the past 2-3 years as well in that case?
Flinchey Amarr ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.18 16:06:00 - [4464] Edited by: Flinchey on 18/10/2008 16:08:57 Originally by: Mashie Saldana Originally by: Gorek Loc Introduce some sort of discount for multiple account customers, and ghost training won't be an issue. Why? Should I get refunded for having 4 full subs for the past 2-3 years as well in that case? and was that your choice? or.. not? hm? you're ***ing about an idea that would get YOU a discount now? damn, people in this thread are going rabid. EDIT: also. you lucky people paying $15 a month. im incredibly jealous it costs me $25** AUD per month under current beep exchange rates... where it should be under $20 per month (in fact close to $15). ugh.
IR Scoutar Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.10.18 16:19:00 - [4465] thx for putting the thread visible again wrangler dearest but erm Originally by: CCP Wrangler Posted - 2008.10.18 15:53:00 - [21] The way our forum works is that if you press the delete thread button you don't actually delete the thread, it just gets unlisted from the forum channel. If you have a direct link it's still accessible and unless the thread is also locked you could normally post in it to bump it back to the forum channel. As a consequence of this we don't actually use the delete thread function, in this case the button was pressed by accident (it is located right next to the delete post button). Unfortunately bumping back the thread didn't work this time, it is uncomfirmed right now but I believe it was due to the fact that the thread was a sticky. I got this bright idea that if I moved the thread to a different forum and then back again it might just jog the thread loose and push it back there, which seems to have worked as it is visible again. does that mean you guys wanted to lock the thread about accidentialy "deleted" it instead ? if so thats just as bad

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2008.10.18 16:27:00 - [4466] Originally by: IR Scoutar thx for putting the thread visible again wrangler dearest but erm Originally by: CCP Wrangler Posted - 2008.10.18 15:53:00 - [21] The way our forum works is that if you press the delete thread button you don't actually delete the thread, it just gets unlisted from the forum channel. If you have a direct link it's still accessible and unless the thread is also locked you could normally post in it to bump it back to the forum channel. As a consequence of this we don't actually use the delete thread function, in this case the button was pressed by accident (it is located right next to the delete post button). Unfortunately bumping back the thread didn't work this time, it is uncomfirmed right now but I believe it was due to the fact that the thread was a sticky. I got this bright idea that if I moved the thread to a different forum and then back again it might just jog the thread loose and push it back there, which seems to have worked as it is visible again. does that mean you guys wanted to lock the thread about accidentialy "deleted" it instead ? if so thats just as bad No, the delete thread and delete post button is located next to each other, not the lock thread button, that is somewhere else. Wrangler Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Email Reducing lag in EVE: The Jita Conundrum - StacklessIO or: How We Reduced Lag - Such Stuff As Dreams Are Made On - EVE64 - My node was equipped with the following...

IR Scoutar Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.10.18 16:30:00 - [4467] Edited by: IR Scoutar on 18/10/2008 16:30:58 Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: IR Scoutar thx for putting the thread visible again wrangler dearest but erm Originally by: CCP Wrangler Posted - 2008.10.18 15:53:00 - [21] The way our forum works is that if you press the delete thread button you don't actually delete the thread, it just gets unlisted from the forum channel. If you have a direct link it's still accessible and unless the thread is also locked you could normally post in it to bump it back to the forum channel. As a consequence of this we don't actually use the delete thread function, in this case the button was pressed by accident (it is located right next to the delete post button). Unfortunately bumping back the thread didn't work this time, it is uncomfirmed right now but I believe it was due to the fact that the thread was a sticky. I got this bright idea that if I moved the thread to a different forum and then back again it might just jog the thread loose and push it back there, which seems to have worked as it is visible again. does that mean you guys wanted to lock the thread about accidentialy "deleted" it instead ? if so thats just as bad No, the delete thread and delete post button is located next to each other, not the lock thread button, that is somewhere else. okokok ill let you off edit : althou i have the possibility to complain infinatly more of course
Vet Grivas	Posted - 2008.10.18 16:39:00 - [4468] -2 accounts, this was a nice feature, but now i`m going to try Warhammer Online more accounts + low general "time price" (gaining clients) = less accounts + high time price (loosing clients) extensive strategy, in a long period of time - loosers strategy
Xavier Holtzman Dark Star Cartel	Posted - 2008.10.18 16:43:00 - [4469] Originally by: Vet Grivas -2 accounts, this was a nice feature, but now i`m going to try Warhammer Online more accounts + low general "time price" (gaining clients) = less accounts + high time price (loosing clients) extensive strategy, in a long period of time - loosers strategy lol its funny that you say that, cuz i was just logging into my acct to say the same thing. account cancelled. downloading warhammer online. ccp fail. -=Xavier Holtzman=- "I'm in love with a malicious intent."
Complete Tart Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2008.10.18 16:59:00 - [4470] Originally by: Ryan Scouse'UK EVE-Pricey Online ! Bye bye EVE! Haven't you threatened to quit like 5 times



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