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Tivookz
Caldari IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.
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Posted - 2008.10.27 15:49:00 -
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Edited by: Tivookz on 27/10/2008 15:50:40
Originally by: OneSock Just downloading Wow and was reading the player guide.
Seem like in Wow they treat their casual players with bit of respect:
Quote: Most players will be in the Normal experience tier most of the time. The Rested tier is primarily intended for players that take a day or more off from playing or are very casual with their play schedules. This has enabled us to greatly reduce the experience necessary for all players to level regardless of which rest state tier they play under.
So CCP talk about fairness, but should learn a less on from Wow.
This is actually true and you get this "rested" experience even if your account is unsubscribed.
Rested experience basically gives your character twice the experience he would normally gain when he kills a monster for a certain amount of time based on how long you've been logged off in a city/village.
This gives players that have been away from the game for a month or so something to look forward to next time they log in.
Very similar to ghost training actually, only now we don't have something to look forward to when we resubscribe.
Tiv __________________________________________________
Hating Cash Craving Productions since oct 15th 2008 |
Soma Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.27 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: Soma Khan on 27/10/2008 16:00:39
Originally by: OneSock Just downloading Wow and was reading the player guide.
Seem like in Wow they treat their casual players with bit of respect:
Quote: Most players will be in the Normal experience tier most of the time. The Rested tier is primarily intended for players that take a day or more off from playing or are very casual with their play schedules. This has enabled us to greatly reduce the experience necessary for all players to level regardless of which rest state tier they play under.
So CCP talk about fairness, but should learn a less on from Wow.
lol?!
This thread is getting more and more bizarre. |
h zebra
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Posted - 2008.10.27 16:01:00 -
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so why has this been unstickyed? |
Corwain
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.10.27 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: h zebra so why has this been unstickyed?
CCP has begun operation Sweep Under Rug. |
DeODokktor
Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2008.10.27 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: h zebra so why has this been unstickyed?
They dont know why it's unstickyed. In two weeks they might be able to re-stick it...
At least they havent tried making the thread not show up in the subgroup so it wouldnt be visible to most people..
I am sure that the next accident will not be the complete deletion of the thread. |
Midas Man
Caldari Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2008.10.27 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Richard Aiel I dont put it past CCP at this point to buy accounts and keep them active just to make it look like theres more ppl playing than there are and to be able to claim higher sub numbers than they actually have so the ppl leaving wont influence their numbers :p
In fact your on to something there, It would also explain the rise in GTC price. let me explain.
1) CCP creates 30000 trail accounts. 2) CCP gives those Trial accounts 1 Billion each 3) CCP buys 30000 GTC from time code bizaar.
Numbers for illustration and are probably higher to off set the exodus, while keep those spend RL money on GTC with the feeling the game is growing not dieing.
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Manipulator General
o.0
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Posted - 2008.10.27 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Corwain
Originally by: h zebra so why has this been unstickyed?
CCP has begun operation Sweep Under Rug.
Diabolical. Luckily we were all born yesterday, so once it disappears off the first page, due to the continued frenzy of new stickies, we'll forget about it.
Or something. |
Hul'ka
Minmatar MicroFunks
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Posted - 2008.10.27 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Midas Man In fact your on to something there, It would also explain the rise in GTC price. let me explain.
1) CCP creates 30000 trail accounts. 2) CCP gives those Trial accounts 1 Billion each 3) CCP buys 30000 GTC from time code bizaar.
Numbers for illustration and are probably higher to off set the exodus, while keep those spend RL money on GTC with the feeling the game is growing not dieing.
that would be a cheep promotion. But who cares. Point is, most of responses here are "CCP, this change is not a big deal, but you way of implementing it, you lying to us, you shooting your own foot by not realising how this will effect your company, nomber of subscribed players and how you look in your costomers eyes", and we still don't have any responce from any authorised person (CCP troll alts don't count)
I was suprised CCP Nozh answered in one thread in Development section. This is, as far as i know, only DEV involment in ANY thread concerning speed nerf, and it's a big topic for months now. Check it out: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=905797&page=2 |
oilio
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.27 19:53:00 -
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Edited by: oilio on 27/10/2008 19:54:45 Tinfoil hat time - maybe it's not deliberate...
but if you look here: coldfront stats
...there used to be FIVE graphs. The bottom graph showed number of active players since the game started.
Since March, that graph has levelled off, and has been showing a slight decline - a trend that was never previously observed.
Now the bottom graph is GONE!
More cover-up, or just a problem with the website itself?
Either way, that bottom graph will be the one to watch in the next few months.
The usual trend is that when an MMO shows declining player numbers, the decline never recovers. Eve (according to the coldfront graphs that USED to be there) is in a state of slight decline.
Money is becoming ever tighter for most people, and at the same time CCP have been trying to squeeze more money out of people - GTC price-hike and now "ghost training" nerf (which came immediately AFTER the "power of two" promotion which encouraged people to setup more accounts).
Add the trademark CCP PR disaster, and with any luck this is the last time CCP will treat their playerbase like this.
If Eve follows the decline fingerprint that most MMOs do, then CCP's days are numbered. I just hope that another, better company comes into to rescue Eve if this happens. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.10.27 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Marbith or maybe doing away with the security rating system so new payers won't stand a chance
There are MANY ppl that want this btw, mostly the 0.0 piratey griefer types |
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Richard Aiel
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.10.27 20:02:00 -
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Edited by: Richard Aiel on 27/10/2008 20:06:27 Edited by: Richard Aiel on 27/10/2008 20:04:57
Originally by: h zebra so why has this been unstickyed?
Because CCP wants this to "go away". Next they'll fix it so that it doesnt bump to the top when ppl post so it will finally go away and they can properly ignore it
Originally by: oilio Edited by: oilio on 27/10/2008 19:54:45 Tinfoil hat time - maybe it's not deliberate...
but if you look here: coldfront stats
...there used to be FIVE graphs. The bottom graph showed number of active players since the game started.
Since March, that graph has levelled off, and has been showing a slight decline - a trend that was never previously observed.
Now the bottom graph is GONE!
More cover-up, or just a problem with the website itself?
Well guess who gives coldfront the stats for the graphs? CCP (GASP) so you really cant trust those graphs.
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Razzlee
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Posted - 2008.10.27 20:22:00 -
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CCP wants to ignore it for now. They are under still under the delusion that this will result in more active subscriptions and greater revenues for them. Its why they made the move. The only reason. They thought it would make them more money over time.
They couldn't be more wrong. But if 5,000+ posts from their loyal and paying customers hasn't convinced them yet, nothing short of their own internal tracking data will.(Now more than ever, we see that CCP truly does not care what we have to say) I'm sure they see quite a few cancelled accounts and a dip in active subscriptions even now, but they are telling themselves its only an irrational knee jerk reaction by their player base and that we will be back.(We won't this time...trust us)
When they realize a few months from now that the average number of active accounts has plummeted by the thousands, they will scramble to try and reverse the decision. More than likely though, it will be too late by that point. Those like me who have been watching with great interest each day for the past few weeks for CCP to reverse this decision will have given up and moved on permanently by then.
There are new and interesting MMO's coming out almost monthly now. Several new ones just on the horizon are space based. The time to act is now CCP. Reverse this decision before all those cancelled accounts your own data shows run out of play time and their owners walk away from Eve for good. You don't have much more time.
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Voxis
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Posted - 2008.10.27 20:28:00 -
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Nice, no more sticky, must be one of those forum "mistakes" and all that. |
oilio
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.27 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Razzlee
There are new and interesting MMO's coming out almost monthly now. Several new ones just on the horizon are space based. The time to act is now CCP. Reverse this decision before all those cancelled accounts your own data shows run out of play time and their owners walk away from Eve for good. You don't have much more time.
That's the other point, of course. People have stayed with Eve in spite of their treatment by CCP - at least in part - because Eve was the only real "internet spaceships" MMO. Eve gets some heavy competition soon.
I'm already signed up for Jumpgate Evolution beta. My subscriptions are cancelled and run out in mid-december. I sure as hell won't be renewing them ever. If I ever do return to Eve, I will use GTCs. Eve will lose players to the upcoming spaceship MMOs. That's inevitable, but how many they lose will be determined by the player's loyalty to this game. CCP haven't demonstrated much loyalty to their players, so it's reasonable to assume that they can only expect the same in return.
Once a few people's friends defect to the other space MMOs, more will follow. Good customer relations is VITAL at this stage if CCP are to survive. CCP have demonstrated that they are woefully deficient in this regard and it may be the end of them as a company. There is widespread dissatisfaction with their tactics; the world economy is looking bleaker by the day and there is some direct competition on the horizon.
Maybe CCP are right - maybe players have short memories and they can get away with anything. If they're wrong, they're finished. |
Tivookz
Caldari IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.
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Posted - 2008.10.27 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: oilio
Maybe CCP are right - maybe players have short memories and they can get away with anything. If they're wrong, they're finished.
It's a classic mistake to believe that players forget things.
We don't forget, we just get exhausted talking about it but when the time comes to decide wether to stay or try a new game, the decision will be easier to make when you think back on issues like this one where over 5000 posts have been made without a single comment from CCCP.
Tiv __________________________________________________
Hating Cash Craving Productions since oct 15th 2008 |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.10.27 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Voxis Nice, no more sticky, must be one of those forum "mistakes" and all that.
as its been sauid the next mistake will be the deletion of this thread ------------------------------------------------ CCP you are your own worst enemy. ------------------------------------------------ |
Boomer Aires
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Posted - 2008.10.27 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Corwain
Originally by: h zebra so why has this been unstickyed?
CCP has begun operation Sweep Under Rug.
Nice!
QFT
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Squirrrel
Gallente Squirrrel Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.27 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Tivookz It's a classic mistake to believe that players forget things.
We don't forget, we just get exhausted talking about it but when the time comes to decide wether to stay or try a new game, the decision will be easier to make when you think back on issues like this one where over 5000 posts have been made without a single comment from CCCP.
Too true. CCP's silence is now just making this worse.
Originally by: Marbith I suppose next people will want macro-mining to be legalized
Yeah. Try using another finger. That one is so not on the pulse...
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Boomer Aires
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Posted - 2008.10.27 22:08:00 -
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As a form of protest all should rename and add the following to their ships: suggestion:
------------------------------- >GT< + ship name -------------------------------
I just renamed my ships. CU out there >GT<s
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Miss Kingston
Avignon Associates Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.27 23:05:00 -
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Just make a stand guys, don't resub when your subscription runs out, there are plenty of other games and rl stuff that can be done with your money |
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Brother Welcome
Amarr Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.10.27 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tivookz It's a classic mistake to believe that players forget things.
We don't forget, we just get exhausted talking about it but when the time comes to decide wether to stay or try a new game, the decision will be easier to make when you think back on issues like this one where over 5000 posts have been made without a single comment from CCCP.
Tiv
This.
I have not forgotten. I may have grown tired of posting, but I have not grown even the slightest bit weary of quitting the day my current sub runs out
-vk |
Soma Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.27 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Kingston Just make a stand guys, don't resub when your subscription runs out, there are plenty of other games and rl stuff that can be done with your money
I'd like to second this advice.
However, I am afraid that the part about spending "your money" will fall on deaf ears, since that is precisely what most of the complainers in this thread are trying to avoid. ___
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Gorek Loc
Etherware Heavy Engineering
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Posted - 2008.10.27 23:48:00 -
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Unstickying the most controversial decision in CCP history...
This matter won't go away by itself. CCP better deal with the problem... read the suggestions in this thread, there are several good solutions to not losing most of yout multiple account users...
Because you listen to 'the quality of the feedback, not the quantity.' It is better to listen to your customers now, than your financial advisors at the end of the year.
The problem with the training on inactive accounts is self-created. Offering the users good discounts on multiple accounts, then just let it roll from there. There has been no follow-up on the multiple account users, only more 'power of 2' offers so that existing users can get even deeper in s*** with even more accounts.
I am certain that most users will greet a discount on multiple accounts with a warm welcome. |
IR Scoutar
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.28 00:22:00 -
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meh posting slowed it will probably get swept under the rug.... |
Joey Meow
MURAKAMI INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2008.10.28 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: IR Scoutar meh posting slowed it will probably get swept under the rug....
Soon enough, CCP obviously bets on the "7 month average" lifespan of an EVE player. They ignore the people who spent years with them and stuck it out through thick and thin.
Good luck with that "7 month" old player CCP, soon enough, soon enough. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.10.28 00:28:00 -
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Flagship number 2 |
Thago Avori
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Posted - 2008.10.28 00:52:00 -
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I have been following this thread with interest, reading all 168+ pages as they unfurl.
I was hoping the people saying 'CCP doesn't listen to their customers' were wrong. I have little hope the decision will change so I've canceled my two accounts.
toodles all |
Dirty Midden
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Posted - 2008.10.28 01:00:00 -
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Originally by: Thago Avori I have been following this thread with interest, reading all 168+ pages as they unfurl.
I was hoping the people saying 'CCP doesn't listen to their customers' were wrong. I have little hope the decision will change so I've canceled my two accounts.
toodles all
There is precisely 0 chance they will reverse their decision. Oh well.
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Bee oflight
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Posted - 2008.10.28 01:09:00 -
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I look at the last 3000 page (that what I think)
lets put this clear
1) the banks are calling in all the money they an 2) If u are not in Real 0.0 you pay for your accounts. because you can kill nice rats, miner the best ore and they get office mobs this will easy pay 500,000,000.00 isk for 60 day time card. (so the older player can play for free and they do not care about ghost Training) 3) Under the new rules, no new play will be albe to get a mothership because, I not parking a 50,000,000,000.00 isk ship in a POS so a corp mate or 1 of the big Alliances to come and get, (1 way for a play would be to make a 2nd account) So who will pay for 1 account to fly 1 ship, or the 2nd choose is pay for 2 account so 1 account will be off line. 4) so ghost Training again, The old player who got all Cap skill to 5. I bet 50% of they got them with ghost training So if u a new play, you will not get all the skill to 5 with out paying. you can buy a 2nd char and place it on the 2nd or 3th slot It will cost u 1 of 2 way 1) 20 to 40 billion ISK, (yes I as a new play got that in my bank in Eve, I buy 1 today. this is the link for the Forum http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=902893 or http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=908614 2) The 2nd way is buy time code, so 1 billion ISK is $34.99 x 3($104.97)or ú22.42 x 3 (ú67.25) we the player are got maked of money
5) Moon is 0.0 and real 0.0 all the top moon are with bob and the top 3 Alliances because thay got Titan's and if a small corp try to take it down thay down titan and mothership on the small corp. how can a small corp stop bob. I say look at 98Q-80 in syndicate. it a large control tower wiyh 1 moon miner and the gun the tower can take with a alt cyno char so they can down a titan. I seen just 1 titan and he got kill with a doomday he not in a big corp. how can a play with 17 mil skill pt kill a titan
I thing that all. 1 of my friends are in 1 of the big corp's and the corp is all taking a vote "do they all change games" and I want to play a game that let my get to be 1 of the big char or can make isk
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Velda Chulai
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Posted - 2008.10.28 01:13:00 -
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Good morning commander! I'm checking in to confirm a successful loss.
Commander, it all happened on the field approximately six days ago, when I met with a recruit who, while in trial, took a brief two day break - they just got Spore and decided to burn out on that for a while. They returned and continued playing, but soon their trial lapsed. They looked forward to a level 5 skill to train up.
After explaining the change (good call on poasting more than 5 news updates - the bottom one dropped off the Eve in-game news!) and suggesting that I'd be leaving, they decided they'd leave Eve online as well.
Signing off commander! Wish me luck in making the operation a success!
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