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Karina Mei Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:29:00 - [1681] Originally by: ArmyOfMe Originally by: Vargo Hoat How often do you really need to train a 40 day skill? ive never ghost trained, but to answer you question the answer is that its starting to happen quite often. at least the 30+ day skills happens all the ****ing time now How very true.. :(
Doonoo Boonoo Amarr	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:30:00 - [1682] How many accounts do CCP expect to lose?
Blancanieves Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:30:00 - [1683] Yippeah, my second account just ran out today, and I can't do anything about it because of some strange "maintenance"... lucky as I am, it seems I will miss at least a whole week of training time as I will be offline for the coming week. What a nice coincidence. Is it intended? Do you want to prevent people from canceling their subscription or from transferring their characters to another account or just from extending their subscription? -
Liranan M'8'S Frontal Impact	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:31:00 - [1684] Originally by: Sahara Eternity Well what you are saying is that you actualy have to "pay to wait" at least 8 - 12 months to board a cap ship (depending on the atributes of course - it cold take a lot longer if you want to use it close to decent), right? Just pay and watch the "progress bar" move a nanometer a day huh? The traning system was designed to take time - especialy to kepp the dollars/euros come to them, this is why it costs you about 120 bucks to board a carrier, this is why it costs you about 360 bucks to board a mothership ... and the list can go on. I'm not saying that SP's are free but think about it, every one that is "ghost training" returns, and pays sooner or later. I watch my SP bar move a nanometre everyday across five characters. Enough with the whining! Do I understand servicemen and women who set a skill and don't pay when they go on their tours? Yes I do but I have no sympathy. You get paid, just like the rest of us. You can't afford to pay a monthly subscription? Then you should refuse to serve under a regime that expects you to die but isn't willing to pay or support you (do we need to discuss pay cuts and the cuts on therapy but the increase on spending and the profits of the arms industry?). You really want to do something useful? Overthrow your regime. Faux says that's bad? Poor you. In the end I am not rich but I still pay, even when I don't play. Farjung is my God You people need to open your eyes and read threads before you mindlessly spam the New Thread link.
Jonathan Calvert Minmatar Empire Mining and Trade	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:31:00 - [1685] I support this change. No pay, no play.
Redent SC	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:32:00 - [1686] Dear CCP. I aint gonna say anything that has been said before. Simply this /signed Get your act together CCP, Come on and respond. this aint right at all.
Karina Mei Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:32:00 - [1687] Originally by: Helios vector Originally by: Lothris Andastar Originally by: Todoshi What are the chances that a dev can get his ass from hiding and actuly reply to the playerbase or are they all as gutless as it would seem so far? No they are actually off working. They dont need to reply to you. They are canceling ghost training and if you dont like it, quit. Noone will miss you least of all the EvE Devs Oh i think many of you will miss us. CCP said themselves that an "Avalanche" of people are doing this. I wouldnt be surprised if the player count drops by over 100,000 players in the next 3 months. I doubt it'll drop by that much but if we take CCP's word for it that it the "Avalanche" of players using ghost training was affecting the database then it will have a noticeable affect. Either that, or the "Avalanche" was yet another excuse?
Rramar Claime Amarr Task Force Zener Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:33:00 - [1688] Originally by: Grarr Dexx Originally by: Todoshi anyone else notice that all of a sudden the accounts section of the website is down. Nice move now ccp really do look like a bunch of liars. Good job, you're only on the third page since it was noticed. Loooool way to go ccp, how else could you keep people from rage quitting . Nice. Very nice. This is just such a disgusting move you really crossed a line with it... Important maintenance eh?... "I cherish the memories of a question my grandson asked me the other day, when he said; 'Grandpa, were you a hero in the war?' Grandpa said, 'No, but I served in a company of heroes."
Vargo Hoat Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:34:00 - [1689] Originally by: ArmyOfMe Originally by: Vargo Hoat How often do you really need to train a 40 day skill? ive never ghost trained, but to answer you question the answer is that its starting to happen quite often. at least the 30+ day skills happens all the ****ing time now While this is true, I ask you this: If you're at that point with your character that you train 30+ day skills regularly why, for God's sake, is that character inactive? If that character is so far in it's expertise that you're actually playing with some other character? From what I understand when you have a very well trained character you actually play with it. Or am I missing something here? Do you want a Caldari Marauder? Contact me for a BPC!
SupplyOfficer	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:34:00 - [1690] CCP act like f****g noobs
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:34:00 - [1691] Originally by: Ivor Gunn Quote: Ghost Training was an unintended feature No it wasn't. Quote: Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive You contradict your own knowledge base. Pure hypocrisy. That is complete nonsense you are writing there. Of course CCP knows that it is possible to train on an inactive account. But that doesn't mean at all that they want this to happen. Actually I am quite happy about that change. Training for free, leeching the paying customers, that is what those parasites were doing. And it is good that CCP stopped them from doing so! There is no free lunch. Everything costs and someone has to pay for it. So those people didn't pay and that means that someone else paid for them. The normal, honest subscriber paid for them. I have absolutely NO intention to pay for those leechers with my money. If you want to play and train, pay for it! A good change CCP, and a good blog also.
Triksterism Gallente Frozen Corpse Inspection Services United Federation of Capsuleers	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:36:00 - [1692] Wow, I wake up and this thread has increased by about 25 pages :O - Ghost Train & Snowflake
Xyzibyte	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:36:00 - [1693] CCP is out of money??? CCP AQUARIUM BAAAAD joke CCP this is epic fail ... stop hurting yourself by hitting the community... also stop the lies!
Monoke	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:37:00 - [1694] Personally I think CCP are only doing this so that future drops in subscriptions can be blamed on this and they can remain happy in their "speed nerf will not affect subscriptions" bubble.
Karina Mei Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:37:00 - [1695] Originally by: Liranan Poor you. In the end I am not rich but I still pay, even when I don't play. So you pay even when you're not playing, would you still be happy for a utility bill to be charged at the same rate even if you weren't making use of it? Before anyone says it, yes I know the game isn't real life...
Todoshi Caldari Caldari Logistics and Supplies	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:38:00 - [1696] Originally by: Karina Mei Originally by: Helios vector Originally by: Lothris Andastar Originally by: Todoshi What are the chances that a dev can get his ass from hiding and actuly reply to the playerbase or are they all as gutless as it would seem so far? No they are actually off working. They dont need to reply to you. They are canceling ghost training and if you dont like it, quit. Noone will miss you least of all the EvE Devs Oh i think many of you will miss us. CCP said themselves that an "Avalanche" of people are doing this. I wouldnt be surprised if the player count drops by over 100,000 players in the next 3 months. I doubt it'll drop by that much but if we take CCP's word for it that it the "Avalanche" of players using ghost training was affecting the database then it will have a noticeable affect. Either that, or the "Avalanche" was yet another excuse? I have no doubts that i won't be missed but most of the people who are all for this change, however let us not forgot that just becase i have ghost trained at times does not mean that i'm not playing with a different account, if enough people leave then say good buy to all those lovely cheap mods and ships, because if the players quit the prices will go up
Grarr Dexx Amarr The Cosa Nostra La Cosa Nostra Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:38:00 - [1697] Originally by: Karina Mei Originally by: Liranan Poor you. In the end I am not rich but I still pay, even when I don't play. So you pay even when you're not playing, would you still be happy for a utility bill to be charged at the same rate even if you weren't making use of it? Before anyone says it, yes I know the game isn't real life... If this utility bill kept my freezer freezing, my refrigerator running and my house not unpleasantly cold, then happily. Stop creating fallacies and jumping off of them like they're solidly based.
Loyal Servant Caldari PURE Legion Pure.	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:38:00 - [1698] Holy crap! You can't cancel if you wanted to! They disabled account access! LOL..... Thanks for pointing that out further back in the threadnaught. Nice CCP.... that will keep people paying, or get your credit card processing account frozen because of complaints.
ArmyOfMe Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:38:00 - [1699] Originally by: Vargo Hoat Originally by: ArmyOfMe Originally by: Vargo Hoat How often do you really need to train a 40 day skill? ive never ghost trained, but to answer you question the answer is that its starting to happen quite often. at least the 30+ day skills happens all the **ing time now While this is true, I ask you this: If you're at that point with your character that you train 30+ day skills regularly why, for God's sake, is that character inactive? If that character is so far in it's expertise that you're actually playing with some other character? From what I understand when you have a very well trained character you actually play with it. Or am I missing something here? if you read again you will notice i said i never ghost train Originally by:** deadmaus Because by the time we had calmed Plague down after he heard BoB were back in the vicinity it was too late to do anything
Taat Ricedi Trade Guild Inperium	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:39:00 - [1700] Edited by: Taat Ricedi on 14/10/2008 13:39:55 Originally by: Gnulpie Originally by: Ivor Gunn Quote: Ghost Training was an unintended feature No it wasn't. Quote: Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive You contradict your own knowledge base. Pure hypocrisy. That is complete nonsense you are writing there. Of course CCP knows that it is possible to train on an inactive account. But that doesn't mean at all that they want this to happen. Actually I am quite happy about that change. Training for free, leeching the paying customers, that is what those parasites were doing. And it is good that CCP stopped them from doing so! There is no free lunch. Everything costs and someone has to pay for it. So those people didn't pay and that means that someone else paid for them. The normal, honest subscriber paid for them. I have absolutely NO intention to pay for those leechers with my money. If you want to play and train, pay for it! A good change CCP, and a good blog also. So can u tell me how did you pay for me when my account was inactive?
Adam Slysphere	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:39:00 - [1701] OMG! Sky falling!! CCP Fails! On noeez1! Skill Training Complete. Forum Drama has reached level 5. If you guys were at the helm of CCP you'd do the same thing ... People are "playing" the game without paying for it. No much of a way to run a business.
Veldya Guristari Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:39:00 - [1702] Originally by: Friday Jinx Are you people on drugs? How can you be whining about this change from the company that gives you FREE EXPANSIONS to an MMO? If CCP feels they need to do this, then let them, you ungrateful babies. The expansions might be free but many MMOs see a lot more content via regular monthly updates than we get bi-annually. So not sure if we are actually benefiting. We are just not getting monthly content and not getting major expansions. TBH, I would rather see paid expansion with significant content added annually.
Gajowy	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:40:00 - [1703] http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g615.asp "Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though)." CCP THERE IS A BUG IN PLAYER GUIDE FROM OVER 5 YEARS hope they can hear me and fix this fast enough before people will feel that they are treated like idiots
reoveck Amarr Grumpy Old Farts	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:41:00 - [1704] thank you ccp, for a while now I have been toying with turning my 4 accounts into 2 and moving the chars over, you have just helped me with that decission
Andrei Vassaliev Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:41:00 - [1705] CCP != The International Humanitarian Foundation So, go away awful poor men!
Sahara Eternity Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:41:00 - [1706] Edited by: Sahara Eternity on 14/10/2008 13:44:20 Originally by: Liranan I watch my SP bar move a nanometre everyday across five characters. Enough with the whining! Do I understand servicemen and women who set a skill and don't pay when they go on their tours? Yes I do but I have no sympathy. You get paid, just like the rest of us. You can't afford to pay a monthly subscription? Then you should refuse to serve under a regime that expects you to die but isn't willing to pay or support you (do we need to discuss pay cuts and the cuts on therapy but the increase on spending and the profits of the arms industry?). You really want to do something useful? Overthrow your regime. Faux says that's bad? Poor you. In the end I am not rich but I still pay, even when I don't play. Then cut all the "gain" an inactive account has, such as RP, and market transactions, perhaps even delete the account after 6 months or so ... and after that introduce payed patches, im sure that will boost the Iceland's economy ... not. In 2+ years of playing on 2 separate account i think i've done once a "ghost traning" and you are mistaken, i'm not complaining, im just sick and tired of seeng services payed and not delivered. I bet manny of the current "winers" in this thread wodn't have nothing against this "bug fix" if there was no lag, or no "our logs showes nothing" petitions responses. Unfortunatly some times EVE is not WhatYouPayIsWhatYouGet service so normaly people will be upset. Originally by: Grarr Dexx Stay on Carrier 4 then, and fit a drone control unit. Nobody is forcing you to train this insane skill to five, and if they are, I think it's time for a change of scenery! Carrier skill was just a simple example m8 ... all rank 5+ skills take at least 20 days to train from lvl 4 to lvl 5, and that on a good combination of atributes, now that is ridiculos ... an average 2 year player payed already at least 360 dollars/euros concidering he has only one account. That's aprox 800 dollars on my case becouse I have 2 - can u point me to another game that is this "free" ?
Farlon Brando	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:42:00 - [1707] first they change gtc system making em cost over 100% more in isk then before and then they complain that there is a spike in ghost training... go figure. Anyways gtc prices should go down now if people who say they are cancelling accounts will. I doubt it tho. never really used ghost training myself much, until recently as supporting rarely used alt account with constant gtc's just wasn't worth it anymore with the current prices.
Howard Atkins	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:43:00 - [1708] Originally by: Lerand Gaunt Bye, bye. We are happy to see you leave. One less 10-year-old forum whiner... Iam glad that you brought some very valid points that explain what you did not like about my statement. But dont be worried, my easily-insulting-others-without-reason friend, i do have one account that will stay active :) Or maybe i should put sarcasm tags in the text? - H.A.
Simon LBowerbank Amarr Universal Assembler	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:43:00 - [1709] So i have to train Battleship V the old fashioned way while previous players could do it for free while taking a break? Yeah that sounds really fair thanks CCP
Grarr Dexx Amarr The Cosa Nostra La Cosa Nostra Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:43:00 - [1710] Edited by: Grarr Dexx on 14/10/2008 13:43:54 Originally by: Sahara Eternity Originally by: Liranan I watch my SP bar move a nanometre everyday across five characters. Enough with the whining! Do I understand servicemen and women who set a skill and don't pay when they go on their tours? Yes I do but I have no sympathy. You get paid, just like the rest of us. You can't afford to pay a monthly subscription? Then you should refuse to serve under a regime that expects you to die but isn't willing to pay or support you (do we need to discuss pay cuts and the cuts on therapy but the increase on spending and the profits of the arms industry?). You really want to do something useful? Overthrow your regime. Faux says that's bad? Poor you. In the end I am not rich but I still pay, even when I don't play. Then cut all the "gain" an inactive account has, such as RP, and market transactions, perhaps even delete the account after 6 months or so ... and after that introduce payed patches, im sure that will boost the Iceland's economy ... not. In 2+ years of playing on 2 separate account i think i've done one a "ghost traning" and you are mistake, i'm not complaining, im just sick and tired of seeng services payed and not delivered. I bet manny of the current "winers" in this thread wond have nothing against this "bug fix" if there was no lag, or no "our logs showes nothing" petitions responses. Unfortunatly some times EVE is not WhatYouPayIsWhatYouGet service so normaly people will be upset. Originally by: Grarr Dexx Stay on Carrier 4 then, and fit a drone control unit. Nobody is forcing you to train this insane skill to five, and if they are, I think it's time for a change of scenery! Carrier skill was just a simple example m8 ... all rank 5+ skills take at least 20 days to train from lvl 4 to lvl 5, and that on a good combination of atributes, now that is ridiculos ... an average 2 year player payed already at least 360 dollars/euros concidering he has only one account. That's aprox 800 dollars on my case becouse I have 2 - can u point me to another game that is this "free" ? Change it to maximum five days for a rank 8 skill then? Oh boy, the game would be fun to fly with everyone and their mothers flying rapiers, crows and vagabonds.

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