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Tivookz Caldari IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2008.11.05 22:01:00 - [5371] Originally by: Shoukei Originally by: Squirrrel You kids... probably wouldn't really know how to use it and it would just end up getting broken. Now... be off with you. we just wanted their stuff, before they take them to one of those elderly people homes. you cant take it to your grave you know, so no reason for good stuff to go to waste. If we would give you anything worth mentioning you'd have plenty of cool toys to play with and thus a reason to continue to play thus increasing CCP's revenue. So I will be happy to take it with me to my grave because then at best one person will get frustrated and stop playing because of the endless grind required to make some real money. So no, you cannot have it. Tiv __________________________________________________ Hating Cash Craving Productions since oct 15th 2008
Yarax	Posted - 2008.11.05 22:41:00 - [5372] Originally by: lisacurie Another whiner leaving - can I have your stuff? HTFU and earn your own stuff. Or go find a thread for lazy beggers.
Xavier Holtzman Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.11.05 23:46:00 - [5373] Edited by: Xavier Holtzman on 05/11/2008 23:46:45 Originally by: lisacurie Originally by: Xavier Holtzman Well, this will probably be my last post here as my subscription expires in a couple days. I hope ya'll keep posting here and keep this thread alive (as long as ccp doesn't blatantly delete it, which is what I've come to expect). I'd hate to see this thread get buried a few weeks from now. Its too bad. This was one of the coolest games I've played. Oh well. I'm looking forward to checking out Jumpgate, and especially Champions when that comes out next year. In the meantime I'll be playing City of Heroes and Warhammer. Maybe I'll cya'll in another land..... Another whiner leaving - can I have your stuff? Obviously you haven't been reading this thread, or you would have read the post where I said I have already given my 6 billion in assets to my friends. So, go find another street corner to panhandle on. Hopfully CCP will be able to give you all kinds of new toys now that they're going to be getting all of this extra revenue by taking out ghost training. -=Xavier Holtzman=- "I'm in love with a malicious intent."
HowardStern	Posted - 2008.11.06 03:16:00 - [5374] Originally by: Xavier Holtzman Hopfully CCP will be able to give you all kinds of new toys now that they're going to be getting all of this extra revenue by taking out ghost training. Well, it made me chuckle. Thanks for the comedy, Xavier.
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Body Count Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.06 10:05:00 - [5375] Sandy minge is a bimbo , just sayin
Fawziyyah	Posted - 2008.11.06 10:38:00 - [5376] I think that we are loosing this thread, I also have 2 more accounts, that will go expire and I won't be rushing back to reactivate them becouse of this issue. I won't be leaving EVE at all so if those of you that are hardcore about the issue and want to leave the game be so kind to make some donations for the poor Gallente, Caldari, Amarr and Minmatar childs that have lost their parents at the war... Contracts and donations can be made directly to me Thanks in antecipation to all the good souls out there...
Nairova Intaku	Posted - 2008.11.06 11:56:00 - [5377] Edited by: Nairova Intaku on 06/11/2008 11:56:20 wrong thread
Tivookz Caldari IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2008.11.06 14:54:00 - [5378] Edited by: Tivookz on 06/11/2008 14:55:03 Originally by: Fawziyyah I think that we are loosing this thread, I also have 2 more accounts, that will go expire and I won't be rushing back to reactivate them becouse of this issue. I won't be leaving EVE at all so if those of you that are hardcore about the issue and want to leave the game be so kind to make some donations for the poor Gallente, Caldari, Amarr and Minmatar childs that have lost their parents at the war... Contracts and donations can be made directly to me Thanks in antecipation to all the good souls out there... Lose? We cannot lose. Everything you see around you on this website is about our money. So since CCP has failed to keep you as a paying customer, you've won. CCP has us, the community, without us they are nothing. We on the other hand have hundreds of other mmo's to choose from. Linkage So no, if there's anyone who has lost anything it's CCP, especially since ghost-training was a major addiction feature because you always wanted to resubscribe to reap the riches from your xx day skill you trained while doing whatever u needed to do irl. Tiv __________________________________________________ Hating Cash Craving Productions since oct 15th 2008
Tivookz Caldari IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2008.11.06 14:58:00 - [5379] On another note.. I wonder how much the developers of Black Prophecy gave T0rfifrans to make that enormously foolish mistake to remove the addicting feature called ghost-training. Or was it the devs of Jumpgate evolution? Tiv __________________________________________________ Hating Cash Craving Productions since oct 15th 2008
Leica Stroganow	Posted - 2008.11.06 15:48:00 - [5380] http://www.eveonline.com/features/quantumrise/ oleoleole we get new stuff.........i wonder if afew ppl would resubscribe for 8 new songs and this other unspecular rubbish.........lack of contend ???? R.I.P. EVE

Blondhy	Posted - 2008.11.06 16:04:00 - [5381] Quote: Quote: Ghost Training was an unintended feature No it wasn't. Quote: Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive They have now changed it. "Skills continue training even if you are logged off, but the skill will no longer continue to train on inactive accounts (an inactive account is when youÆre no longer paying the subscription, training will still continue when youÆve logged off on an subscribed account)." I don't care if this was already mentioned. I just wanted to remind ppl who were exploiting this bug.
Last Wolf Umbra Wing	Posted - 2008.11.06 16:14:00 - [5382] You people are still crying over this? Stop being so pathetic, you're making 13-year-old middle-school girl drama look reasonable. Besides, I'm never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down
Lorac Caladon Caldari The Cowboy Junkies	Posted - 2008.11.06 16:20:00 - [5383] Originally by: Blondhy Quote: Quote: Ghost Training was an unintended feature No it wasn't. Quote: Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive They have now changed it. "Skills continue training even if you are logged off, but the skill will no longer continue to train on inactive accounts (an inactive account is when youÆre no longer paying the subscription, training will still continue when youÆve logged off on an subscribed account)." I don't care if this was already mentioned. I just wanted to remind ppl who were exploiting this bug. Remind me please, which "bug" were/are people exploiting? Do you mean the one that CCP (the owners of Eve-Online) advertised (for ~5 years) as a feature?
Lorac Caladon Caldari The Cowboy Junkies	Posted - 2008.11.06 16:21:00 - [5384] Originally by: Last Wolf You people are still crying over this? Stop being so pathetic, you're making 13-year-old middle-school girl drama look reasonable. Sounds like you are speaking from experience here. Care to talk about it? You know, work it out?
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.11.06 16:40:00 - [5385] Originally by: Yarax Originally by: lisacurie Another whiner leaving - can I have your stuff? HTFU and earn your own stuff. Or go find a thread for lazy beggers. Irony ITT? Not really. Just another displayed symptom of being in denial. ___
altofanaltofanalt	Posted - 2008.11.06 16:54:00 - [5386] Talking about beggers, can i have some stuff or/and isk donated please? I'm in HUUUUUGE need of isk, PLEEAASEEE???!
Rasik Argimater	Posted - 2008.11.06 17:07:00 - [5387] Originally by: Lorac Caladon Remind me please, which "bug" were/are people exploiting? Do you mean the one that CCP (the owners of Eve-Online) advertised (for ~5 years) as a feature? That's the one! Out of the blue CCP calls it a bug and the good little fanboi soldiers line up and call it a bug. Out of the blue CCP invents a PR spin name for it, "ghost training," and the good little fanboi soldiers line up and call it "ghost training." In the end, though, this is far from mere drama. This is money. Quite possibly big money for CCP. If they lose the equivalent of 10,000 accounts over it, that's as much as $1,800,000 per year. And it could be worse than that. No one really knows how many of their subscribers are active, paying ones, and no one knows how many multi-account holders make up the total of active accounts. Then there's the downward spiral effect. If their numbers develop a distinct downward trend it will be self-reinforcing. More ppl will leave and fewer will be inclined to come in. I haven't studied the MMOG market but I've read it written that once the stats start going down they never recover. It's not difficult to imagine that they have ****ed off 5,000 medium and long-term players who average 5 accounts each. If that were the case, it could cost CCP $4,500,000 per year and rip the heart right out of the game. The children here can call me a whiner but right now I'm costing CCP $1,260 on an annualized basis -- subs I no longer pay for. This is my sig?
Yarax	Posted - 2008.11.06 17:24:00 - [5388] Originally by: altofanaltofanalt Talking about beggers, can i have some stuff or/and isk donated please? I'm in HUUUUUGE need of isk, PLEEAASEEE???! When people quit they usually destroy their stuff or give it to people they know. If you want freebies, I suggest you convince some of your friends to quit. Very close friends are best, they will be more likely to give the stuff to you. To get really good freebies you should convince old rich friends to quit playing, maybe the CEO of your corp would be a good target. Good Luck
Yarax	Posted - 2008.11.06 17:35:00 - [5389] Edited by: Yarax on 06/11/2008 17:40:33 Originally by: Soma Khan Originally by: Yarax HTFU and earn your own stuff. Or go find a thread for lazy beggers. Irony ITT? Not really. Just another displayed symptom of being in denial. I'm afraid I don't understand your comment Soma, which may be a consequence of you not understanding my comment. You seem to be saying that I'm in denial about something... I don't mind how people chose to get their ISK, scammers, pirates, miners, scientists, it's all part of the game. But the people that beg for ISK are too soft to survive in the harsh environment of Eve. They'll lose it all and then quit because the game is too hard. I know several people like this IRL and they need to HTFU too. Edit: And just to stay on-topic, I'm quitting in protest at the Skill-Training-Completion nerf, and the associated BS.
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.11.06 18:34:00 - [5390] Originally by: Yarax Originally by: Soma Khan Just another displayed symptom of being in denial. I'm afraid I don't understand your comment Soma, which may be a consequence of you not understanding my comment. You seem to be saying that I'm in denial about something... ...irrelevant posturing deleted... Edit: And just to stay on-topic, I'm quitting in protest at the Skill-Training-Completion nerf, and the associated BS. I can see that you don't understand. This whole thread is about expressing massive amounts of angst over loosing a computer game freebie. This angst is sometime disguised as indignation at being slighted or given such short notice, however this doesn't change the main gist. Can there be a lower form of begging? I am hard pressed to come up with an example. ___

Xavier Holtzman Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.11.06 18:46:00 - [5391] Originally by: Soma Khan Originally by: Yarax Originally by: Soma Khan Just another displayed symptom of being in denial. I'm afraid I don't understand your comment Soma, which may be a consequence of you not understanding my comment. You seem to be saying that I'm in denial about something... ...irrelevant posturing deleted... Edit: And just to stay on-topic, I'm quitting in protest at the Skill-Training-Completion nerf, and the associated BS. I can see that you don't understand. This whole thread is about expressing massive amounts of angst over loosing a computer game feature. This angst is sometime disguised as indignation at being slighted or given such short notice, however this doesn't change the main gist. Can there be a lower form of begging? I am hard pressed to come up with an example. Fixed that for ya..... -=Xavier Holtzman=- "I'm in love with a malicious intent."
Brother Welcome Amarr Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.11.06 18:46:00 - [5392] Originally by: Soma Khan This whole thread is about expressing massive amounts of angst over loosing a computer game freebie. This angst is sometime disguised as indignation at being slighted or given such short notice, however this doesn't change the main gist. Can there be a lower form of begging? I am hard pressed to come up with an example. I feel no angst; only disappointment. I'll go ahead and assume you understand how training works, and thus that you understand that what one is paying for with one's subscription is the capability to enter control inputs. One doesn't pay to set up a toon, that's free with a trial account. One doesn't pay to keep toon data on the database, that happens even if you stop subbing... yes, even now. One doesn't pay to have change occur to database entries, that happens for research and such. The feature that has been removed represents a corporate failure to offer fair value. I and others object to that, and to the corporate failure to deal with us fairly, hence we take the only recourse offered to disappointed customers, which is to take our money elsewhere. -vk
Rasik Argimater	Posted - 2008.11.06 18:47:00 - [5393] Originally by: Soma Khan This whole thread is about expressing massive amounts of angst over loosing a computer game freebie. This angst is sometime disguised as indignation at being slighted or given such short notice, however this doesn't change the main gist. Can there be a lower form of begging? I am hard pressed to come up with an example. You obviously don't understand the issue and obviously haven't read more than a few of the posts in the thread. On that basis you're not qualified to have an opinion on this. This is my sig?
Xavier Holtzman Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.11.06 19:04:00 - [5394] Edited by: Xavier Holtzman on 06/11/2008 19:06:54 Edited by: Xavier Holtzman on 06/11/2008 19:06:43 Edited by: Xavier Holtzman on 06/11/2008 19:04:48 deleted -=Xavier Holtzman=- "I'm in love with a malicious intent."
Squirrrel Gallente Squirrrel Industries	Posted - 2008.11.06 19:16:00 - [5395] Originally by: Soma Khan This whole thread is about expressing massive amounts of angst over loosing a computer game freebie. This angst is sometime disguised as indignation at being slighted or given such short notice, however this doesn't change the main gist. Can there be a lower form of begging? I am hard pressed to come up with an example. Yes. That IS what this whole thread is about. Top marks for you, here's a cap with a big D on it. Please go sit in the corner with all the other winners. Thanks for the Ghost-O too by the way.
Squirrrel Gallente Squirrrel Industries	Posted - 2008.11.06 19:19:00 - [5396] Originally by: Tivookz If we would give you anything worth mentioning you'd have plenty of cool toys to play with... Yet with no unsubbed training; many of them will sadly never even be able to use them. Oh the irony.
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.11.06 19:31:00 - [5397] Originally by: Brother Welcome I feel no angst; only disappointment. I'll go ahead and assume you understand how training works, and thus that you understand that what one is paying for with one's subscription is the capability to enter control inputs. One doesn't pay to set up a toon, that's free with a trial account. One doesn't pay to keep toon data on the database, that happens even if you stop subbing... yes, even now. One doesn't pay to have change occur to database entries, that happens for research and such. The feature that has been removed represents a corporate failure to offer fair value. I and others object to that, and to the corporate failure to deal with us fairly, hence we take the only recourse offered to disappointed customers, which is to take our money elsewhere. -vk This is comedy gold. You signed the EULA, live by it. Furthermore, if you consider freebies an utmostly important quality for your choices in computer games (and the "fair value" they offer), by all means stop playing and go elsewhere. Writing post after inane post lamenting your loss in a public forum demonstrates a much more personal problem. In addition, financially speaking, what CCP may lose as a result of a few emoragequits now, they will gain many times over with the future subscriptions. What they did was a sound business decision. ___
Squirrrel Gallente Squirrrel Industries	Posted - 2008.11.06 19:39:00 - [5398] Edited by: Squirrrel on 06/11/2008 19:40:12 Originally by: Soma Khan What they did was a sound business decision. Short-Mid term maybe so. Long term, I don't think so. They have smeared their own name and reputation for the *way- can you please that get into your head, the way* they went about the change and tried to lie about the reasoning to their paying customers. Jeopordising your company through bad publicity and making many MMO players so wary about touching anything CCP are involved in... a sound business decision? Only if you graduated from clown college.
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.11.06 19:54:00 - [5399] Originally by: Squirrrel Edited by: Squirrrel on 06/11/2008 19:40:12 Originally by: Soma Khan What they did was a sound business decision. Short-Mid term maybe so. Long term, I don't think so. Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I'm not here to give lectures on the basics of public relations damage control. What I am mainly commenting on is the apparent conviction of some that having payed once or twice for a computer game is somehow equivalent to receiving some kind of nuptial rights to everything about it. ___
Squirrrel Gallente Squirrrel Industries	Posted - 2008.11.06 20:07:00 - [5400] Edited by: Squirrrel on 06/11/2008 20:08:14 Originally by: Soma Khan I'm not here to give lectures on the basics of public relations damage control. Nor qualified I'd wager. Originally by: Soma Khan What I am mainly commenting on is the apparent conviction of some that having payed once or twice for a computer game is somehow equivalent to receiving some kind of nuptial rights to everything about it. I might actually want to hear that lecture though to be honest, it would probably be really funny. You know, people DO realise that CCP can change the content and mechanics of the game as they see fit. It's their game. We know that. However, it's not a game they put out for free. We know this too. We pay for it. And if you don't because you're using GTC, someone else is still paying for it. What people don't tend to like, what customers don't tend tolerate - and what is a great mistake when you want repeat custom - is when they are clearly lied to. Again, the WAY that CCP went about this change, rather than the change itself is largely a key factor. Yes, some people don't like the change itself. They pay, it's their prerogative. If you keep kicking a dog, chances are one day it's going to turn around and bite you.



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