EVE Search - Disabling ghost training

All Channels

EVE Information Portal

Disabling ghost training - the blog edition

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 200 .. 208 :: one page
Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 6 post(s)
Tyby The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:13:00 - [2551] Edited by: Tyby on 14/10/2008 20:14:58 Quote: What aspect of there statement is a lie. Anyone who played beta can confirm this is an unintended feature. I remember the original CSMs where it was discussed. you sir have a very good memory...
Maren Maen	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:13:00 - [2552] Wow.. all this insanity has finally taught me the value of the stealth nerf.. I think it's a great change, because I have kept my subscription without lapsing to ghost train for years (including over the course of 4 rank 8 skills and currently a rank 9). But I do have to admit, my sub expires in early Nov and I was planning to cancel for a month and ghost train. Guess it's too late to jump aboard that particular train. Oh, well.. can't lose what I never had. To the rest of you.. HA HA.
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:13:00 - [2553] Originally by: ISIAM Originally by: Sahara Eternity Edited by: Sahara Eternity on 14/10/2008 19:55:00 Edited by: Sahara Eternity on 14/10/2008 19:54:18 Originally by: Lallante That may be true, but CCP have never said they didnt want us to use the unintended feature while it was possible to do so. In fact, the implication is they didnt mind us using it. This has absolutely ZERO baring on whether they intended to change it. eXcuse me ... who are you ? You have 8 post in the last 30 posts on this thread ... Are you a CCP official ? If not stop posting and let people tell theyr story, if yes log in your main please. EDIT: You beat me to it, make that 9 posts on 2 pages ... Opps added 1 more ... INDEED. (..) Upset that your arguments fall apart when subjected to reality and logic? Looking for ways to inject more tinfoil-hattery into this thread to cover up the lack of any coherent thoughts from your side? HowÆs this one: CCP hid this thread from the general public out of embarrassment for the kinds of ******s their game attracts. ___
Ratio Legis Slacker Industries	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:14:00 - [2554] Originally by: Lallante Torfi said its an UNINTENDED FEATURE. Which amounts to the same as a bug. Not a bug. Hence documentation. Reread the post. Unintended but supported feature, since CCP specifically made the distinction between Serenity - where they fixed that unintended feature - and Tranquility, where they chose not to. They have had it within their power to change it but have not, consciously and explicitly so, and have even made public that decision. That's as intended as it can go, no matter how a dev blog intended as PR smoke screen can try to represent things when they need an excuse.
Carsidava Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:14:00 - [2555] Originally by: Lallante Originally by: Carsidava Eighty-one pages and no response from CCP. We're being treated like mushrooms: kept in the dark and fed bullshit. I'm going to post this again, fully realizing that CCP is ignoring us and just going to go blindly ahead with this ridiculous plan. Nope, sorry. This doesn't wash. If you disable skill training for inactive accounts, why aren't you also disabling market orders from inactive accounts? Why aren't you also disabling RP accumulation from inactive accounts? Why aren't you disabling dividend payouts to inactive accounts? Why are only skill points being hit? Sorry CCP, this is an entirely unsatisfactory answer. Theres a response saying they are monitoring this thread closely. Im sure they want to have a proper meeting tommorrow, you know, during the day time, before they make any official response. That's garbage. They had an entire day to meet about this. These 125+ pages of protest didn't spring up in the last couple of hours.
Julius Rigel House Rigel	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:14:00 - [2556] Originally by: Maren Maen HA HA. I second that laugh. Frigate racing is fast and fun!
Waynetta Slob	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:14:00 - [2557] Originally by: Lallante This is my main. If you havnt heard of me, it simply means you havnt been playing Eve long enough. You dont control the forums, you dont decide who posts. Go away omfg.
Lag	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:15:00 - [2558] Originally by: Shar Tegral Sorry, couldn't just lurk anymore with such rampant stupidity continuing to spawn. Originally by: Lag Why have a service running that constantly checks for skill completions when the routine could be performed with a trigger such as loading the My Character page or Character information in-game? Did you ever notice that while you are in game you get informed when a skill changes? The purpose of that should be obvious. This also makes it painfully obvious that there is some form of heartbeat check for skill completions. So please spare us your novice attempts at debugging things that apparently exceed your powers of observation. Did you ever attempt to think that when you login, a variable is set with your skill's remaining time?...and that the loop checks that variable instead of CONSTANTLY querying the database? Oh.. and when you switch skills or end a skill the variable is reset?... Don't come to me with half-baked attempts at flaming me.
Huan Hunglong Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:15:00 - [2559] Originally by: Waynetta Slob Originally by: Lallante This is my main. If you havnt heard of me, it simply means you havnt been playing Eve long enough. You dont control the forums, you dont decide who posts. Go away omfg. I know! Lallante thinks he matters!
The Ubernomicon Eight year old girls GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:16:00 - [2560] Refers to moderated post, the image in question is not constructive - Mitnal
DJ Geist	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:17:00 - [2561] Confirming that I have cancelled my subscription. This game was fun. I am a perfectionist and enjoyed the fact that I could plan out what my character trains even when I am too busy to play the game for some weeks. While ghost training would have been an occasional perk and incentive for me to return, I certainly paid CCP a lot of money over the course of the last year as a subscriber. I thought that the game mechanics understood mature players with busy lives, who like the fantasy and imagination of a sci-fi world but are justifiably apprehensive of time-sinks and wastes of money. I wanted to feel comfortable in a world where I pay as I play, and in the times that I can't play my character at least trains a skill and awaits my return.
Baron Houshay	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:17:00 - [2562] so if this was a bug, does all the training time we got over the last 5 years go away now? all the ghost training I mean. cause that would only be fair, it should be done this way, so us new players who have played for 2 months are not so far behind all the people who ghost trianed voer over a year combined
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:18:00 - [2563] Originally by: Huan Hunglong Using that arguement EVERYTHING documented in the player guide could be an 'unintended feature' Not quite. What you mean is if we ONLY looked at the guide then any documented mechanism could be considered as possibly unintended, and that might be true. However we have much more than just the guide to go on, so in reality it's a silly thing to say. The issue is that the only thing that supports this stupid "CCP put ghost training in on purpose, promised they'd never take it out, advertised it in full page ads in the NYT and now they're taking it out to ruin my life and cause me cancer (the lying bastards!)" whine is one line in the guide. So the whiners are pretending that it is the only authority, indeed that it is the only possible source of information we should consider.
James Marshalll Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:19:00 - [2564] Edited by: James Marshalll on 14/10/2008 20:20:02 Originally by: Waynetta Slob Originally by: Lallante This is my main. If you havnt heard of me, it simply means you havnt been playing Eve long enough. You dont control the forums, you dont decide who posts. Go away omfg. Yea if you didn't know he paid kugutsumen to hack goons forums back in the day, I think he was in Shinra too with his good buddy theenslaver who now is a gm? maybe dev don't remember which. Also one of the reasons if I remember right that chowdown has his Titan. You see, when you get free T2 bpo's and have friends who would be affected by CCP losing subs you MUST defend feverishly the actions of those who keep you going in game. of course I could be thinking bout the wrong BoBit =)
Medusa d'Mon	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:19:00 - [2565] Originally by: Lallante Originally by: Medusa d'Mon From Revelations patch notes: 'On the Serenity server, skills no longer train when the owning account is deactivated. Tranquility is not affected by this change.' If the so called 'bug' was fixable on Serenity way back then, why wasn't the same 'bug' fixed on Tranquility at the same time? Just a guess here, looking at the 84 page thread... Fear of community reaction? Which is now outweighed by the huge number of people (ab)using it. (which, by the way, included myself; ive resubbed only because of this change). Only post when you know something. Stop guessing.
Gedhay	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:20:00 - [2566] Originally by: Soma Khan Originally by: ISIAM Originally by: Sahara Eternity Edited by: Sahara Eternity on 14/10/2008 19:55:00 Edited by: Sahara Eternity on 14/10/2008 19:54:18 Originally by: Lallante That may be true, but CCP have never said they didnt want us to use the unintended feature while it was possible to do so. In fact, the implication is they didnt mind us using it. This has absolutely ZERO baring on whether they intended to change it. eXcuse me ... who are you ? You have 8 post in the last 30 posts on this thread ... Are you a CCP official ? If not stop posting and let people tell theyr story, if yes log in your main please. EDIT: You beat me to it, make that 9 posts on 2 pages ... Opps added 1 more ... INDEED. (..) Upset that your arguments fall apart when subjected to reality and logic? Looking for ways to inject more tinfoil-hattery into this thread to cover up the lack of any coherent thoughts from your side? HowÆs this one: CCP hid this thread from the general public out of embarrassment for the kinds of ******s their game attracts. hmmmm lallante???
Hun Jakuza Naughty By Nature	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:20:00 - [2567] Originally by: Huan Hunglong Originally by: Waynetta Slob Originally by: Lallante This is my main. If you havnt heard of me, it simply means you havnt been playing Eve long enough. You dont control the forums, you dont decide who posts. Go away omfg. I know! Lallante thinks he matters! Oh yeah. :D Maybe he think that, when he did mission and save CCP, he will get a BPO from CCP. :D Hey Lallente 2004 was too far away. :D
Julius Rigel House Rigel	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:20:00 - [2568] Originally by: Medusa d'Mon Originally by: Lallante Originally by: Medusa d'Mon From Revelations patch notes: 'On the Serenity server, skills no longer train when the owning account is deactivated. Tranquility is not affected by this change.' If the so called 'bug' was fixable on Serenity way back then, why wasn't the same 'bug' fixed on Tranquility at the same time? Just a guess here, looking at the 84 page thread... Fear of community reaction? Which is now outweighed by the huge number of people (ab)using it. (which, by the way, included myself; ive resubbed only because of this change). Only post when you know something. Stop guessing. Stop posting about people who should stop posting! Frigate racing is fast and fun!
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:21:00 - [2569] Quote: CCP may find it necessary on occasion to make changes to or reset certain parameters of the persistent game world mechanics, interface or features of EVE Online in order to maintain game balance and enhance playability or performance for its subscribers. These changes may affect or cause setbacks for the characters you've created. http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/terms.asp Mhm. __________ Sig by Neth'Rae Cannot read from face Abort, Retry, Fail? FFFFFF
Lallante Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:21:00 - [2570] Originally by: James Marshalll Edited by: James Marshalll on 14/10/2008 20:20:02 Originally by: Waynetta Slob Originally by: Lallante This is my main. If you havnt heard of me, it simply means you havnt been playing Eve long enough. You dont control the forums, you dont decide who posts. Go away omfg. Yea if you didn't know he paid kugutsumen to hack goons forums back in the day, I think he was in Shinra too with his good buddy theenslaver who now is a gm? maybe dev don't remember which. Also one of the reasons if I remember right that chowdown has his Titan. You see, when you get free T2 bpo's and have friends who would be affected by CCP losing subs you MUST defend feverishly the actions of those who keep you going in game. of course I could be thinking bout the wrong BoBit =) No, thats me. I've also been outed as a GM by XirtamVOTF back in the day. Lall - THE Vocal Minority - Reikoku
ISIAM	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:22:00 - [2571] Originally by: Lallante Originally by: Medusa d'Mon From Revelations patch notes: 'On the Serenity server, skills no longer train when the owning account is deactivated. Tranquility is not affected by this change.' If the so called 'bug' was fixable on Serenity way back then, why wasn't the same 'bug' fixed on Tranquility at the same time? Just a guess here, looking at the 84 page thread... Fear of community reaction? Which is now outweighed by the huge number of people (ab)using it. (which, by the way, included myself; ive resubbed only because of this change). Well now it's obvious you work for C.C.P.
Baron Houshay	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:22:00 - [2572] Back to the topic at hand please.. was asking about all the ghost training time from the last 5 years that was a bug, is it gone now?
Haniblecter Teg	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:23:00 - [2573] "Waaah, I cant skate around paying sub anymore" ----------------- Friends Forever
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:23:00 - [2574] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Quote: CCP may find it necessary on occasion to make changes to or reset certain parameters of the persistent game world mechanics, interface or features of EVE Online in order to maintain game balance and enhance playability or performance for its subscribers. These changes may affect or cause setbacks for the characters you've created. http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/terms.asp Mhm. I'm not sold on the "maintain game balance and enhance playability or performance for its subscribers" aspect of this move.
Feng Pai Caldari Blue Box Corporation Liberty Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:23:00 - [2575] I can't be bothered to read this whole thread as I have a life. :P I would just like to point out one thing however. In terms of game balance isn't it unfair that ghost training is being lost now? I would be gloating now if I had multiple accounts that had been running 5 years or so, after all, I'd have done a stack of training (some of it ghost training) and I'd know that any knew player would have to spend a fortune to do the same, poor suckers! Still, I haven't, so I'm one of the poor suckers, and if I had, I'd be faced with having to choose what characters to keep playing, if any. Even a ghost training limit would be better, if it was set at the same sort of time as the smallest (60 day)GTC then each character would have to be active for at least half of realtime. Ah, hell, I'm past giving a damn, but CCP need to try to remember that more MMO's turn up daily. If I find my account has to go down for a while coz I'm a bit short, I'll spend the time on free trials to see how much I like the others.
Tabare Vazquez Uruguay Forever	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:23:00 - [2576] Originally by: Medusa d'Mon From Revelations patch notes: 'On the Serenity server, skills no longer train when the owning account is deactivated. Tranquility is not affected by this change.' If the so called 'bug' was fixable on Serenity way back then, why wasn't the same 'bug' fixed on Tranquility at the same time? This, this is the best post in this thread. Right here, above my own line.
Zinnn	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:24:00 - [2577] Catherine Frasier is working for CCP. I don't know anyone so tenacious and saying the same thing over and over again, and NOT be paid for it. She refuses to recognize that people feel betrayed, duped into playing more eve online (with the power of two), and that people have a valid reason to be upset when a game mechanic they think is important is removed from the game without any input from gamers beforehand. Therefore replayability is severely limited, plain and simple.
Mallikan Gallente Plundering Penguins Anarchy.	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:24:00 - [2578] Originally by: Wrathraker This is in response to what was posted by CCP t0rfifrans here http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=592 Since beta and the days of Castor being able to train was touted by CCP as a feature and not a liability like it is now. This is what was said and quoted by CCP in the beginning that set your game apart from other games that were out there at the time. You said then, and I am looking through Google with a fine tooth comb to bust you on this, that this was a "FEATURE" and that it was something that was never going to be removed from the game. In addition to that, I also stress that this gives the veteran players a HUGE boost while the new players will not receive the same treatment. Also, if it was left in the game, IT WOULD STILL BE BALANCED! The ability to do this, and keep it in the game, keeps everyone on equal ground. By removing it, you change the very thing you are saying you are trying to fix. AND...for the long time players like myself, that have multiple accounts, we have always been doing this, and plan the way to play the game based on what CCP says will be coming in the FUTURE developments of the game. Without CCP saying what is coming in the future, the players can not plan. By taking this away from the players, you just make it harder for us to play the game, make our logistics take even longer, make the game more like WORK and overall ruin the player experience. This is total B*S* CCP and you know it! Think I am kidding? Look up my account info, see how many accounts I have, and see how many I have after you do this. Cry moar? LOL... this made me smile. Thanks to people like you that are dumb enough to make the rest of us laugh! --- lol.. I messed up.
Siona Windweaver	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:25:00 - [2579] Edited by: Siona Windweaver on 14/10/2008 20:25:03 Thread got stealth nerfed! You can't see it from EVE Information Portal anymore :P Edit: Seems everything gets bugged today :P
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:25:00 - [2580] Originally by: Siona Windweaver Edited by: Siona Windweaver on 14/10/2008 20:25:03 Thread got stealth nerfed! You can't see it from EVE Information Portal anymore :P Edit: Seems everything gets bugged today :P we know, right?

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 200 .. 208 :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.