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Spenser for Hire
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.03.31 16:52:00 -
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I totally canGÇÖt believe I reactivated my account in order to speak out on behalf of The Mittani, but seriously, DonGÇÖt you think you guys have gone a bit too far???
There is no doubt that what The Mittani did was reprehensible. There is no doubt that what he did constitutes an example of GÇÿCyber-Bullying.GÇÖ
It is also equally evident that he doesnGÇÖt deserve the lynching he got.
And no one is pointing a finger at CCP. CCP not only bears responsibility for what happened, CCP is to Blame for what happened. And CCP should step up, man up, shoulder the blame and stop allowing a player to be lynched by an angry internet lynch mob.
CCP is to blame, not just responsible, for what happened because CCP encouraged and incited players, attendees of Fanfest to get very drunk. CCP not only advertised GÇ£Pub CrawlsGÇ¥ as part of Fanfest, they also advertised that CCP employees, Devs, residents of Iceland, would be leading the pub crawls. A major attraction of the Fanfest was GÇÿgetting drunk with the Devs.GÇÖ
ItGÇÖs the Culture of the CCP fanfest that is to blame.
Certainly, we all remember Alliance Tournaments, in which one day a Tournament commentator like Varrone appears alert, energetic, talkative and knowledgeable, making us all proud of the word GÇ£RPGÇ¥ and the next day heGÇÖs wearing a black-cap, holding his head with his hand, talking softly and avoiding the camera because heGÇÖs got a massive hangover that normally he would have had to take two days to sleep off.
Correct me if I am wrong, but The Mittani is from America. The land of Mothers Against Drunk Driving, where every advertisement of alcohol includes the phrase, GÇÿDrink responsibly.GÇÖ where powerful lobby groups fight, and win, over the placement of billboards that advertise alcohol at Major League baseball games. Where every major holiday includes legions of police randomly testing drivers for alcohol use. And this list could be extended.
The Mittani comes from a culture where the attitude toward alcohol is very different. No American corporation would license drinking and getting drunk the way that CCP does, for fear of the powerful anti-alcohol lobby groups in america.
Meanwhile, perhaps because CCP doesnGÇÖt have to fear Anti-alcohol lobby groups, CCP is stating that its going to address this problem and prevent it from happening again by exercising tighter control over the Alliance presentations. In other words, NOTHING. The presentations werenGÇÖt the problem, the Alcohol was/is.
Unless CCP curbs its Alcohol encouragement, weGÇÖre just going to watch another player, other players, have Alcohol induced meltdowns in other CCP events.
The Mittani was drawn into the alcohol-abusing culture of the CCP fanfests. The Mittani is a victim of the alcohol-abusing culture of the CCP fanfests.
CCP stop the lynching. Take the Blame. And give the Mittani back his position on the CSM.
Post-Script.
Not writting as though I'm an insider, just as an (off and on) EVE online player who has access to the forums. |
Judge Solace
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2012.03.31 16:53:00 -
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*epic facepalm* |
Aylleen
Die Hard Carebears
33
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Posted - 2012.03.31 16:54:00 -
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Just point me to any law system where it is written that cyber-bullying = inciting to suicide.
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
654
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Posted - 2012.03.31 16:56:00 -
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*double facepalm*
a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105
You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
ElQuirko
Gravit Negotii
Rogue Elements.
488
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Posted - 2012.03.31 16:56:00 -
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Aylleen wrote:Just point me to any law system where it is written that cyber-bullying = inciting to suicide.
Just point me to any law system where it is written that saying "Go kill yourself" to someone suicidal ISN'T incitement to suicide...
If we distribute pictures of people, does that mean God can file copyright claims under SOPA? |
MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
249
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Posted - 2012.03.31 16:57:00 -
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sure well give him his job back right after jerry sandusky gets his back... |
Xander Riggs
The Scope
Gallente Federation
128
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Posted - 2012.03.31 16:58:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:sure well give him his job back right after jerry sandusky gets his back...
Hoo, boy. Comparing internet trolling to ass ******* gradeschoolers. Frabjous day!
"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
393
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Posted - 2012.03.31 16:58:00 -
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Shut up. Nobody cares. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
66
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Posted - 2012.03.31 16:58:00 -
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He just has to wait till next election yes? Itll be a freaking landslide when he gets back in. I didnt hear anything about him being permabanned from the CSM
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
Skydell
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
194
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Posted - 2012.03.31 16:59:00 -
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You need to read the Dev Blog.
Mittani can run in the next CSM if he so choses to do so.
I don't know if he should but that's his decision to make. |
Alara IonStorm
1880
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Posted - 2012.03.31 16:59:00 -
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Spenser for Hire wrote:
Alcohol
Wow...
You are blaming CCP and citing America's view on Alcohol. America's view is that you are responsible from the moment you take your first sip which is up to you. Doesn't matter who temps you or pressures you or says it is okay. You are responsible for your actions while inebriated.
End of Story.
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Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
41
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Posted - 2012.03.31 17:00:00 -
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HE resigned, so why to blame CCP? It was HIS fault. I was on the pub crawl, and still managed to get sober when the alliance panel started. |
Judge Solace
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2012.03.31 17:02:00 -
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Skydell wrote:You need to read the Dev Blog.
Mittani can run in the next CSM if he so choses to do so.
I don't know if he should but that's his decision to make.
Not true, current "candidacy policies" (key part) restrict people from running who have been banned under EULA/TOS.
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
118
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Posted - 2012.03.31 17:05:00 -
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an interesting, new topic for this forum that merits a new thread
"Nullsec alliances will now begin counting reporters on staff along with supercapitals and tech moons. Unironically." - The Mittani |
noonien shakra
Lar B523610-9
0
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Posted - 2012.03.31 17:05:00 -
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epic picard facepalm.... let this die |
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
82
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Posted - 2012.03.31 17:07:00 -
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Maybe you're not aware of the fact that CSM members sign additional agreements that bind them to a higher standard of behavior than the ordinary behavior of players? They are being trusted to help plan the game and to learn about changes to the game ahead of the rest of us. They are quasi-representatives of CCP and they have to behave in ways that don't embarrass CCP. It's not a fraternity, it's a business. People depend on CCP to support their families. CCP's health affects the health of the national economy of Iceland.
Give him his CSM post back? Do you have any idea the justified rage that would follow that? The bad press for CCP?
CCP knows it's partly to blame, read the dev blogs. But CCP vetted the eve mail and REMOVED THE PLAYER'S NAME from it. An action they did with the full knowledge of Mittani. He knew that the name should not be made public and he DID IT ANYWAY. He is responsible for his own actions, drunk or sober.
Get real. Grow up. Or unsub again. Who cares?
Blaming CCP for what Mittani did is ludicrous. CCP is not trying to defend these actions or minimize them, they are accepting responsibility and stating that they will change.
You want to play a game where stupid actions are supposed to have consequences but you won't face the fact that real life works the same way, only more so. |
Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Ixion Defence Systems
Tactical Narcotics Team
3
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Posted - 2012.03.31 17:09:00 -
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Mittani gave up his position on CSM6 on his own will.
He saw it as a fitting self punishment for his misstep. And he did it without having a hidden agenda.
What is uncalled for by CCP is the 30-day ban, which excludes him from the CSM7 (where he also was going to give up the chairman seat).
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Hroya
20
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Posted - 2012.03.31 17:09:00 -
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Eventhough i support your topic regarding the alcohol at such events, it is Mittani himself who wants the public to believe that after a year of CSM6 and a huge campaign for CSM7, he wasnt able to combine the two positions anymore.
On hinesight the ban was/is pointless and not fitting the circumstance.
Just because people who watched the live feed learned about this incitement doesnt make it any worse then if he had said it infornt of a closed audiance. But in the latter, no outsider would have known and not a single pitchfork would have been picked up.
Does that excuse the intention ? No it doesnt.
Had he been the first speaker at the panel then it woldnt have happened ( the harrassment would have been carried out ) and everyone would be after the ceo of ivy league or whatever after he had been drunk as hell and said something not suited for a major audiance.
Wrong time, wrong place, got busted.
Would have been more fitting to turn the tables around and make the purps act as guardians for the victim and shelter him to regain his grip on his personall life.
Alcohol + live feed + epeen = desaster in the making. Dont turn your back on your responsabillity because the inevitable happened.
You go your corridor but. |
Torneach
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2012.03.31 17:13:00 -
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OP, did you even listen to his "State of the Goonion" speech?
He doesn't want the CSM position anymore. |
Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
61
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Posted - 2012.03.31 17:13:00 -
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I see we're dragging this out as long as possible eh?
Captain of the Battlestar Carebear |
Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
679
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Posted - 2012.03.31 17:13:00 -
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Judge Solace wrote:*epic facepalm*
*epic facedesk*
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1364
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Posted - 2012.03.31 17:13:00 -
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Heh, nobody twisted his arm to do what he did. I'm sure others have made comments about CCP being partly to blame. I did it in a post here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1034581#post1034581 |
Sirion Fujiwara
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.03.31 17:14:00 -
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Blaming alchohol is a joke for anyone over the age of 15....
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Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
187
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Posted - 2012.03.31 17:14:00 -
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Being an Alliance leader and on the CSM really split Mittens focus. Now that he is no longer saving CCPs bacon, we can focus on havesting skulls for his skull throne. Even bannished to the void, his will guides us. So no you can't have him back, he is ours, and your skulls shall adorn his throne in due time as well.
You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |
Judge Solace
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2012.03.31 17:20:00 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:Being an Alliance leader and on the CSM really split Mittens focus. Now that he is no longer saving CCPs bacon, we can focus on havesting skulls for his skull throne. Even bannished to the void, his will guides us. So no you can't have him back, he is ours, and your skulls shall adorn his throne in due time as well.
And thus the annoiting of term CHAOS CAPSULEERS was issued. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
66
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Posted - 2012.03.31 17:22:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:Aylleen wrote:Just point me to any law system where it is written that cyber-bullying = inciting to suicide.
Just point me to any law system where it is written that saying "Go kill yourself" to someone suicidal ISN'T incitement to suicide...
That says "go kill yourself", then uses private communications publicly to harass that person, then tells the slavering hoard to harrass the subject until he DOES it
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
sakurako
Eternal Darkness.
G00DFELLAS
12
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Posted - 2012.03.31 17:25:00 -
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sorry but he made his mistake, drunk or not, he has admited fault and the punishment his the ban from game and csm.
yes he said he was sorry more then the dev that let that slide in, the slide was the problem imo with out it he would not have been put in to that situation. its his fault for that as well as ccp for not thinking would could be asked and what he would reply
at lest from what i hear he can try again next yea
also the dev should do a public |
JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration
Lone Star Partners
146
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Posted - 2012.03.31 17:35:00 -
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Shush. This topic is already dead in the water
1. Mittens owned his mistake, he admitted it and apologised for it. The words are there, how you interpret them is irrelevant.
2. Mittens has accepted CCPs decision to take him off CSM7 as well as the 30-day ban after he resigned as chairman.
3. Mittens' only real concern at this point has been his RL name getting associated with false sensationalist tags.
4. Mittens already talked it out with the writer in question who was responsible for the tags. They almost e-hugged in the end.
5. Mittens doesn't seem to feel like running for future CSM elections right now, but his opinion may change over the next year.
There are two victims in this whole debacle: CCP and The Mittani's RL player.
- CCP: The white knights who have been making a big deal out of this completely overshadowed all the amazingly good things that came out of Fanfest 2012. Not to mention trying to get to Mittens by burning down CCP's relations to Sony.
You read that right; there were people trying to ruin CCP's business relationship just to get their point across; if that doesn't make CCP a victim, nothing will.
- Mittens: The media used his real name and associated it with a term that is considered as serious as that of a pedophile without doing fact checking -- in fact, the blogging community, who are not paid, did a better job at reporting on this than the gaming media -- and blatantly copy pasting articles off of each other and winding up with a slurry of false facts. The result of this has been real life death threats towards him and his family; which is completely unacceptable.
If you, as a responsible person, want to make a change for the better come out of this whole shitstorm, I urge you to go sign [this] thread to avoid future mishandlings of CSM member RL names. Incidentally, if you need to catch up on the major events of this shitstorm, I'd urge anyone to read the blog posts from Liang Nuren.
Let's leave it at that.
A few links to back up my claims:
[FunkyBacon Show on ER]
[Mittani v Brendan cut from the above show]
[Jester's list of links to articles that were based off Massively] |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
383
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Posted - 2012.03.31 17:35:00 -
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I think we should spend a few days arguing both sides of this issue in forums on multiple threads. Oh wait...
http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Kill Rockstar
Perkone
Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.03.31 17:36:00 -
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Deal wiz it.... |
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