I totally canGÇÖt believe I reactivated my account in order to speak out on behalf of The Mittani, but seriously, DonGÇÖt you think you guys have gone a bit too far???

There is no doubt that what The Mittani did was reprehensible. There is no doubt that what he did constitutes an example of GÇÿCyber-Bullying.GÇÖ

It is also equally evident that he doesnGÇÖt deserve the lynching he got.

And no one is pointing a finger at CCP. CCP not only bears responsibility for what happened, CCP is to Blame for what happened. And CCP should step up, man up, shoulder the blame and stop allowing a player to be lynched by an angry internet lynch mob.

CCP is to blame, not just responsible, for what happened because CCP encouraged and incited players, attendees of Fanfest to get very drunk. CCP not only advertised GÇ£Pub CrawlsGÇ¥ as part of Fanfest, they also advertised that CCP employees, Devs, residents of Iceland, would be leading the pub crawls. A major attraction of the Fanfest was GÇÿgetting drunk with the Devs.GÇÖ

ItGÇÖs the Culture of the CCP fanfest that is to blame.

Certainly, we all remember Alliance Tournaments, in which one day a Tournament commentator like Varrone appears alert, energetic, talkative and knowledgeable, making us all proud of the word GÇ£RPGÇ¥ and the next day heGÇÖs wearing a black-cap, holding his head with his hand, talking softly and avoiding the camera because heGÇÖs got a massive hangover that normally he would have had to take two days to sleep off.


Correct me if I am wrong, but The Mittani is from America. The land of Mothers Against Drunk Driving, where every advertisement of alcohol includes the phrase, GÇÿDrink responsibly.GÇÖ where powerful lobby groups fight, and win, over the placement of billboards that advertise alcohol at Major League baseball games. Where every major holiday includes legions of police randomly testing drivers for alcohol use. And this list could be extended.

The Mittani comes from a culture where the attitude toward alcohol is very different. No American corporation would license drinking and getting drunk the way that CCP does, for fear of the powerful anti-alcohol lobby groups in america.

Meanwhile, perhaps because CCP doesnGÇÖt have to fear Anti-alcohol lobby groups, CCP is stating that its going to address this problem and prevent it from happening again by exercising tighter control over the Alliance presentations. In other words, NOTHING. The presentations werenGÇÖt the problem, the Alcohol was/is.

Unless CCP curbs its Alcohol encouragement, weGÇÖre just going to watch another player, other players, have Alcohol induced meltdowns in other CCP events.

The Mittani was drawn into the alcohol-abusing culture of the CCP fanfests. The Mittani is a victim of the alcohol-abusing culture of the CCP fanfests.


CCP stop the lynching. Take the Blame. And give the Mittani back his position on the CSM.



Post-Script.
Not writting as though I'm an insider, just as an (off and on) EVE online player who has access to the forums.

Mittani gave up his position on CSM6 on his own will.
He saw it as a fitting self punishment for his misstep. And he did it without having a hidden agenda.

What is uncalled for by CCP is the 30-day ban, which excludes him from the CSM7 (where he also was going to give up the chairman seat).

I totally canGÇÖt believe I reactivated my account in order to speak out on behalf of The Mittani...

Also it should be noted that no one has been demanding The Mittani be perma-banned since CCP's sentence was handed down. Everyone is pretty much satisfied with the outcome. CCP has handled this a lot better than he has, and frankly his constant whining on Twitter is not helping his case for being allowed to run for CSM in the future.

No, it's not his choice entirely. If you read the dev blog, he will be subject to a candidacy review before being allowed to run again. Acting like a spoiled child whose golden pacifier has been taken away does not help him. He should take his own advice and...

DEAL WITH IT.

yeah nobody has been posting about the punishment not being enough, you certainly didn't make a thread calling for the disbandment of goonswarm, etc. etc.

Goons <> The Mittani

The issue of The Goons essentially being a hate group, while related to his behavior, is a different discussion.

I totally canGÇÖt believe I reactivated my account in order to speak out on behalf of The Mittani, but seriously, DonGÇÖt you think you guys have gone a bit too far???

You re-activated your account to create a forum post... what, you didn't think the countless of other threads were not enough?

You felt that the Goons were not doing enough to defend the honour of kittens?

Dude you need to get out more, also people don't hate the goons or kittens, we do these things because

WE LOVE YOU

no

you, yourself, have been calling for further punishments

you want his identity destroyed, associated with cyberbullying

you want to effectively ruin the man's life because of what he does in a video game

Shush. This topic is already dead in the water

1. Mittens owned his mistake, he admitted it and apologised for it. The words are there, how you interpret them is irrelevant.
2. Mittens has accepted CCPs decision to take him off CSM7 as well as the 30-day ban after he resigned as chairman.
3. Mittens' only real concern at this point has been his RL name getting associated with false sensationalist tags.
4. Mittens already talked it out with the writer in question who was responsible for the tags. They almost e-hugged in the end.
5. Mittens doesn't seem to feel like running for future CSM elections right now, but his opinion may change over the next year.

There are two victims in this whole debacle: CCP and The Mittani's RL player.

OP, did you even listen to his "State of the Goonion" speech?

He doesn't want the CSM position anymore.

Stuff

"Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [redacted], he has his own corp. Find him."

deal with it~

It was a good and rational post up until you claimed mittens is now somehow a "victim".

This poster has summed it all up just about perfectly right here.

Time for all of us to fricken take a nap and more on.

We've got a goon dance-party to plan on attending in Jita in a few weeks.
Gonna try to fill my dance card

I totally canGÇÖt believe I reactivated my account in order to speak out on behalf of The Mittani, but seriously, DonGÇÖt you think you guys have gone a bit too far???

There is no doubt that what The Mittani did was reprehensible. There is no doubt that what he did constitutes an example of GÇÿCyber-Bullying.GÇÖ

.

You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.

I totally canGÇÖt believe I reactivated my account in order to speak out on behalf of The Mittani, but seriously, DonGÇÖt you think you guys have gone a bit too far???

There is no doubt that what The Mittani did was reprehensible. There is no doubt that what he did constitutes an example of GÇÿCyber-Bullying.GÇÖ

It is also equally evident that he doesnGÇÖt deserve the lynching he got.

And no one is pointing a finger at CCP. CCP not only bears responsibility for what happened, CCP is to Blame for what happened. And CCP should step up, man up, shoulder the blame and stop allowing a player to be lynched by an angry internet lynch mob.

CCP is to blame, not just responsible, for what happened because CCP encouraged and incited players, attendees of Fanfest to get very drunk. CCP not only advertised GÇ£Pub CrawlsGÇ¥ as part of Fanfest, they also advertised that CCP employees, Devs, residents of Iceland, would be leading the pub crawls. A major attraction of the Fanfest was GÇÿgetting drunk with the Devs.GÇÖ

ItGÇÖs the Culture of the CCP fanfest that is to blame.

Certainly, we all remember Alliance Tournaments, in which one day a Tournament commentator like Varrone appears alert, energetic, talkative and knowledgeable, making us all proud of the word GÇ£RPGÇ¥ and the next day heGÇÖs wearing a black-cap, holding his head with his hand, talking softly and avoiding the camera because heGÇÖs got a massive hangover that normally he would have had to take two days to sleep off.


Correct me if I am wrong, but The Mittani is from America. The land of Mothers Against Drunk Driving, where every advertisement of alcohol includes the phrase, GÇÿDrink responsibly.GÇÖ where powerful lobby groups fight, and win, over the placement of billboards that advertise alcohol at Major League baseball games. Where every major holiday includes legions of police randomly testing drivers for alcohol use. And this list could be extended.

The Mittani comes from a culture where the attitude toward alcohol is very different. No American corporation would license drinking and getting drunk the way that CCP does, for fear of the powerful anti-alcohol lobby groups in america.

Meanwhile, perhaps because CCP doesnGÇÖt have to fear Anti-alcohol lobby groups, CCP is stating that its going to address this problem and prevent it from happening again by exercising tighter control over the Alliance presentations. In other words, NOTHING. The presentations werenGÇÖt the problem, the Alcohol was/is.

Unless CCP curbs its Alcohol encouragement, weGÇÖre just going to watch another player, other players, have Alcohol induced meltdowns in other CCP events.

The Mittani was drawn into the alcohol-abusing culture of the CCP fanfests. The Mittani is a victim of the alcohol-abusing culture of the CCP fanfests.


CCP stop the lynching. Take the Blame. And give the Mittani back his position on the CSM.



Post-Script.
Not writting as though I'm an insider, just as an (off and on) EVE online player who has access to the forums.

That sounds like suitable punishment for the people who are now engaging in RL threats and harassment against Mittens + family.

And then Mittesn goes on eve radio and starts shouting out a persons real life name left and right.

When he should by now know better.

I mean WTF.

...that guy is a journalist. His real life name is public knowledge.

And? You dont see the double standard in play here?

Brute force Meta-gaming




Do people really think all the alts in the world will change most people's view on Goons

Instead of just dealing with the 30 day ban, you kids have gone on a posting spree with every alt you can dig up.

You've attempted to create a whole new sensation over some radio show that 95% of the Eve population never even heard of, Just to distract people from the real problem, Bees have taken Meta-gaming too far, and they have lost control of it.

All in an attempt to get your Queen back into the drivers seat.
Problem is, according to recent reports, he really shouldn't be driving

Want to know the real problem with Meta-gaming, it's completely out of CCP's control.
There is no way to control what goes on out of game, unless it's public, and/or on video. [:oops
But how do you prove who put a person up to something? What if real money changed hands? CCP has no way to track money if it's not attached to an ingame transactions.
As long as Meta-gaming is welcome in game, you will have the possibility of things like this happening out of game

Would Goons be above paying someone cash to create a new account or bomb his existing account and do what was supposedly done on Eve radio

Certainly rumors ran wild in the past regarding meta-gaming and out of game money changing hands, but again, unless the people actually involved admit it you will never know.




Hopefully CCP will track down and ban anyone making real threats against real people. That's the way I really feel about it. But it doesn't change what happened last week, and all of the tears in the world won't change that
.