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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.31 18:50:00 -
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Xander Riggs wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Tippia wrote:That sounds like suitable punishment for the people who are now engaging in RL threats and harassment against Mittens + family. And then Mittesn goes on eve radio and starts shouting out a persons real life name left and right. When he should by now know better. I mean WTF. ...that guy is a journalist. His real life name is public knowledge. And? You dont see the double standard in play here? Its not a double standard. Using someone's real name when they themselves use their real name is not an inappropriate act.
Using it to cause harm to the person? Two wrongs make a right?
This is what you are basically pushing.
Even worse mittens should know better by now in light of everything. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
62
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Posted - 2012.03.31 18:53:00 -
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JamesCLK wrote:Nick Bison wrote:JamesCLK wrote:Shush. This topic is already dead in the water
1. Mittens owned his mistake, he admitted it and apologised for it. The words are there, how you interpret them is irrelevant. 2. Mittens has accepted CCPs decision to take him off CSM7 as well as the 30-day ban after he resigned as chairman. 3. Mittens' only real concern at this point has been his RL name getting associated with false sensationalist tags. 4. Mittens already talked it out with the writer in question who was responsible for the tags. They almost e-hugged in the end. 5. Mittens doesn't seem to feel like running for future CSM elections right now, but his opinion may change over the next year.
There are two victims in this whole debacle: CCP and The Mittani's RL player.
This poster has summed it all up just about perfectly right here. Time for all of us to fricken take a nap and more on.We've got a goon dance-party to plan on attending in Jita in a few weeks. Gonna try to fill my dance card Personally, I'm much more interested in the whole wave of anti-RMT that seems to have happened almost overnight! PL in particular seems to have been hit hard. Incidentally, here's a little fun tinfoil hat thing to consider: Rumor has it PL lost somewhere in the region of 14 trillion isk as their wallet was nuked. It isn't beyond beleiving that GSF or the CFC have more than two or three times this ammount of ISK in their collective wallets. 14 trillion isk can buy you almost 180,000 fully fit suicide gank Tornadoes. Is GSF/CFC willing to sink 14 trillion isk into the Burn Jita event? (assuming ~6000 participants, each would have ~30 Tornadoes; not unreasonable). How many days- nay, weeks- can 180,000 Tornadoes suicide gank for? #TheirTornadoesWillBlotOutTheSun
They supposedly bought 1800 Tornados, but clearly you've never seen the Bees in flight. It will be comedy of epic proportion. And if you honestly believe that they actually have 6000 live people to fly ships, I have statue in Jita I'd like to sell you.
Besides, they may have to leave someone at home to mind the store, seems like a perfect time to go visit their homeland...
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
Taihbea
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
102
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Posted - 2012.03.31 18:53:00 -
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Xander Riggs wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Tippia wrote:That sounds like suitable punishment for the people who are now engaging in RL threats and harassment against Mittens + family. And then Mittesn goes on eve radio and starts shouting out a persons real life name left and right. When he should by now know better. I mean WTF. ...that guy is a journalist. His real life name is public knowledge. And? You dont see the double standard in play here? Its not a double standard. Using someone's real name when they themselves use their real name is not an inappropriate act.
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Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
187
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Posted - 2012.03.31 19:11:00 -
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Seems like scandals like this are always a hotbed of blame-shifting. Music, movies, video games, alcohol, Twinkies, what have you...it's always someone/something other than the perpetrator, right?
It's not alcohol's fault. It's not CCP's fault. It's not The Wis's fault. It's not the gaming media's fault. It's Mittani's fault.
Mittani has taken responsibility for his actions (though it's pretty clear he's not very happy about the consequences of them, but that's a separate topic altogether). There's no need to debate this further. |
JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
148
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Posted - 2012.03.31 19:17:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:JamesCLK wrote:Personally, I'm much more interested in the whole wave of anti-RMT that seems to have happened almost overnight! PL in particular seems to have been hit hard. Incidentally, here's a little fun tinfoil hat thing to consider: Rumor has it PL lost somewhere in the region of 14 trillion isk as their wallet was nuked. It isn't beyond beleiving that GSF or the CFC have more than two or three times this ammount of ISK in their collective wallets. 14 trillion isk can buy you almost 180,000 fully fit suicide gank Tornadoes. Is GSF/CFC willing to sink 14 trillion isk into the Burn Jita event? (assuming ~6000 participants, each would have ~30 Tornadoes; not unreasonable). How many days- nay, weeks- can 180,000 Tornadoes suicide gank for? #TheirTornadoesWillBlotOutTheSun They supposedly bought 1800 Tornados, but clearly you've never seen the Bees in flight. It will be comedy of epic proportion. And if you honestly believe that they actually have 6000 live people to fly ships, I have statue in Jita I'd like to sell you. Besides, they may have to leave someone at home to mind the store, seems like a perfect time to go visit their homeland...
I did say it was :tinfoil:
I just think the actual number of ships being brought is way over 1800 because a measely 144 billion isk worth of ships would be well... underwhelming for an entity such as GSF. |
Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
254
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Posted - 2012.03.31 19:21:00 -
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Screw that guy.
CSM7 Skype Leak
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Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
254
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Posted - 2012.03.31 19:22:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote: It's not alcohol's fault. It's not CCP's fault. It's not The Wis's fault. It's not the gaming media's fault. It's Mittani's fault.
I would add one more thing.
I'd not Mittani's fault.
It's Alex's fault.
CSM7 Skype Leak
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PaTrond
X-9 Chained Reactions
5
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Posted - 2012.03.31 19:30:00 -
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Aylleen wrote:Just point me to any law system where it is written that cyber-bullying = inciting to suicide.
Just point me to any law system that says cyberbullying isn't bullying.
Please close this thread. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
476
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Posted - 2012.03.31 19:31:00 -
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra wrote:Mittani gave up his position on CSM6 on his own will. He saw it as a fitting self punishment for his misstep. And he did it without having a hidden agenda.
Interesting, I thought he did it to allow Goons to attack other CSM members and to facilitate the burn jita movement, per his own words. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Pok Nibin
Viziam Amarr Empire
93
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Posted - 2012.03.31 19:36:00 -
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Lock this thread! In the name of all that is decent and good, lock it! The internet trembles under the weight of the wasted bandwidth! PLEASE! Show some humanity and LOCK THIS THREAD!! Don't fight it.-á Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs.-á You know you want to. |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1364
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Posted - 2012.03.31 19:45:00 -
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Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap
Destiny guides the Hand of Fate bestowing Karma thrice-fold
Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely
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Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
189
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Posted - 2012.03.31 19:47:00 -
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Mittani has taken responsibility for his actions. CCP has handed down its punishment. There's no need to debate this further.
~~~Deal with it~~~ You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
657
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Posted - 2012.03.31 19:53:00 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:Mittani has taken responsibility for his actions. CCP has handed down its punishment. There's no need to debate this further.
~~~Deal with it~~~
We agree so tell him to stop saying and doing things that keep dragging it on. Like his even radio stunt.
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
141
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Posted - 2012.03.31 19:54:00 -
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Spenser for Hire wrote:I totally canGÇÖt believe I reactivated my account in order to speak out on behalf of The Mittani, but seriously, DonGÇÖt you think you guys have gone a bit too far???
There is no doubt that what The Mittani did was reprehensible. There is no doubt that what he did constitutes an example of GÇÿCyber-Bullying.GÇÖ
It is also equally evident that he doesnGÇÖt deserve the lynching he got.
And no one is pointing a finger at CCP. CCP not only bears responsibility for what happened, CCP is to Blame for what happened. And CCP should step up, man up, shoulder the blame and stop allowing a player to be lynched by an angry internet lynch mob.
CCP is to blame, not just responsible, for what happened because CCP encouraged and incited players, attendees of Fanfest to get very drunk. CCP not only advertised GÇ£Pub CrawlsGÇ¥ as part of Fanfest, they also advertised that CCP employees, Devs, residents of Iceland, would be leading the pub crawls. A major attraction of the Fanfest was GÇÿgetting drunk with the Devs.GÇÖ
ItGÇÖs the Culture of the CCP fanfest that is to blame.
Certainly, we all remember Alliance Tournaments, in which one day a Tournament commentator like Varrone appears alert, energetic, talkative and knowledgeable, making us all proud of the word GÇ£RPGÇ¥ and the next day heGÇÖs wearing a black-cap, holding his head with his hand, talking softly and avoiding the camera because heGÇÖs got a massive hangover that normally he would have had to take two days to sleep off.
Correct me if I am wrong, but The Mittani is from America. The land of Mothers Against Drunk Driving, where every advertisement of alcohol includes the phrase, GÇÿDrink responsibly.GÇÖ where powerful lobby groups fight, and win, over the placement of billboards that advertise alcohol at Major League baseball games. Where every major holiday includes legions of police randomly testing drivers for alcohol use. And this list could be extended.
The Mittani comes from a culture where the attitude toward alcohol is very different. No American corporation would license drinking and getting drunk the way that CCP does, for fear of the powerful anti-alcohol lobby groups in america.
Meanwhile, perhaps because CCP doesnGÇÖt have to fear Anti-alcohol lobby groups, CCP is stating that its going to address this problem and prevent it from happening again by exercising tighter control over the Alliance presentations. In other words, NOTHING. The presentations werenGÇÖt the problem, the Alcohol was/is.
Unless CCP curbs its Alcohol encouragement, weGÇÖre just going to watch another player, other players, have Alcohol induced meltdowns in other CCP events.
The Mittani was drawn into the alcohol-abusing culture of the CCP fanfests. The Mittani is a victim of the alcohol-abusing culture of the CCP fanfests.
CCP stop the lynching. Take the Blame. And give the Mittani back his position on the CSM.
Post-Script. Not writting as though I'm an insider, just as an (off and on) EVE online player who has access to the forums.
What I think is probably the funniest thing about this post is the way that it attacks American policy on alcohol (which it also exaggerates greatly) while at the same time representing the very extreme form of anti-alcohol policy that it claims is representative of American culture. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
479
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:02:00 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:Mittani has taken responsibility for his actions. CCP has handed down its punishment. There's no need to debate this further.
~~~Deal with it~~~
Not really. Mittanni did apologize, did step down, was banned but like the true self-promoter that he is went on to state how he would turn this around to benefit himself. IDK, just wreaks so bad in my opinion. It's like a drunk actor who runs over someone, apologizes, pays medical bills and then uses the incident to state how it actually benefits his up-coming movie. It destroys any credibility he had with the sincerity of his apology and actions there after.
Really, he just needs to STFU. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Jet Aeon
Two Smoking Barrels NightSong Directorate
15
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:06:00 -
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Judge Solace wrote:Skydell wrote:You need to read the Dev Blog.
Mittani can run in the next CSM if he so choses to do so.
I don't know if he should but that's his decision to make. Not true, current "candidacy policies" (key part) restrict people from running who have been banned under EULA/TOS. This story gets better and better by the minute. CCP takes a great deal of unnessary and undeserved flack, but if they revise this rule, and allow Mittani to run again, CCP will whole hartedly desever every bit of grief they get over it.
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Jet Aeon
Two Smoking Barrels NightSong Directorate
16
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:28:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote: Using it to cause harm to the person? Two wrongs make a right?
This is what you are basically pushing.
Even worse mittens should know better by now in light of everything.
There was no reason to use the persons real name like he did on that radio show. It was all spite and hate. He easily could have made his points without trying to get people to hate another person and divulging an IRL persons name. Its more cyber bullying on his part.
We are now back to him need to make and apology for his actions again.
Again, this story keeps getting better and better. The Mittani just doesn't know when to quit.
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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
659
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:31:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:Falin Whalen wrote:Mittani has taken responsibility for his actions. CCP has handed down its punishment. There's no need to debate this further.
~~~Deal with it~~~ Not really. Mittanni did apologize, did step down, was banned but like the true self-promoter that he is went on to state how he would turn this around to benefit himself. IDK, just wreaks so bad in my opinion. It's like a drunk actor who runs over someone, apologizes, pays medical bills and then uses the incident to state how it actually benefits his up-coming movie. It destroys any credibility he had with the sincerity of his apology and actions there after. Really, he just needs to STFU.
More or less.
I feel like im waiting for him to scream WINNING at any moment now. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
505
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:37:00 -
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Oh look, a new and exciting thread with brand new content. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:38:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote:Seems like scandals like this are always a hotbed of blame-shifting. Music, movies, video games, alcohol, Twinkies, what have you...it's always someone/something other than the perpetrator, right?
It's not alcohol's fault. It's not CCP's fault. It's not The Wis's fault. It's not the gaming media's fault. It's Mittani's fault.
Mittani has taken responsibility for his actions (though it's pretty clear he's not very happy about the consequences of them, but that's a separate topic altogether). There's no need to debate this further.
All he's sorry about is he got called out on it. He even noted the "fact' that the only reason he GOT a ban wasnt cause he didnt something wrong but because the "cyber-bully" tag was associated to it https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
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Mathias Hex
Hillcrest Armaments
23
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:39:00 -
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Trolling these goon/goon alt posts isnt very fun anymore...No wait... it is, it's still alot of fun! Keep it up OP. I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:40:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:Mithrantir Ob'lontra wrote:Mittani gave up his position on CSM6 on his own will. He saw it as a fitting self punishment for his misstep. And he did it without having a hidden agenda.
Interesting, I thought he did it to allow Goons to attack other CSM members and to facilitate the burn jita movement, per his own words.
and it wasnt like he was permabanned from CSM Not that they apparenly plan on getting him re-elected later (n another thread) they plan on running 4-5 Goons and owning the CSM instead. IMO a better idea https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
297
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:40:00 -
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LEAVE MITTANI ALONE!!! |
Adacia Calla
The Long Kiss Goodnight
12
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:40:00 -
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He ****** up. He's paying for it now. He can run for CSM next election.
Stop. Making. Threads. About. This. Test signature....forum not applying settings :( |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
4
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:41:00 -
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Judge Solace wrote:Skydell wrote:You need to read the Dev Blog.
Mittani can run in the next CSM if he so choses to do so.
I don't know if he should but that's his decision to make. Not true, current "candidacy policies" (key part) restrict people from running who have been banned under EULA/TOS.
To quote from a dev blog:
GM Salmon wrote:As per our policies, this candidate may be eligible to run at a later date subject to candidacy review.
Ie. If Mittens is a good boy all year, they will let him stand again.
Besides, the EULA clearly states that CCP can do whatever the hell they want, they have the final say, the EULA is just a set of guidelines. |
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
663
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:41:00 -
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Richard Aiel wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Seems like scandals like this are always a hotbed of blame-shifting. Music, movies, video games, alcohol, Twinkies, what have you...it's always someone/something other than the perpetrator, right?
It's not alcohol's fault. It's not CCP's fault. It's not The Wis's fault. It's not the gaming media's fault. It's Mittani's fault.
Mittani has taken responsibility for his actions (though it's pretty clear he's not very happy about the consequences of them, but that's a separate topic altogether). There's no need to debate this further. All he's sorry about is he got called out on it. He even noted the "fact' that the only reason he GOT a ban wasnt cause he didnt something wrong but because the "cyber-bully" tag was associated to it
When he put that idea out there I was stunned he would try to pull that one.
His cheerleaders and their blogs are twisting and distorting things far more then the Big Bad Media he hates ever did. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:44:00 -
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Adacia Calla wrote:He ****** up. He's paying for it now. He can run for CSM next election.
Thats kinda part of the point imo. He didnt really GET puinished insofar as that goes, he just waits a while and he's right back where he started. Temp ban included.
Had the kid they were trying to get to kill themselves DONE IT, would HE juast wait a while and be right back where he was to start?
There are decisions here with perminant choices https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
Jet Aeon
Two Smoking Barrels NightSong Directorate
17
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:44:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:Oh look, a new and exciting thread with brand new content. Until The Mittani ceases with his own with his own incredible damage control methods, this story is certain to continue with excitment and brand new content to talk about. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
77
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:45:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Richard Aiel wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Seems like scandals like this are always a hotbed of blame-shifting. Music, movies, video games, alcohol, Twinkies, what have you...it's always someone/something other than the perpetrator, right?
It's not alcohol's fault. It's not CCP's fault. It's not The Wis's fault. It's not the gaming media's fault. It's Mittani's fault.
Mittani has taken responsibility for his actions (though it's pretty clear he's not very happy about the consequences of them, but that's a separate topic altogether). There's no need to debate this further. All he's sorry about is he got called out on it. He even noted the "fact' that the only reason he GOT a ban wasnt cause he didnt something wrong but because the "cyber-bully" tag was associated to it When he put that idea out there I was stunned he would try to pull that one. His cheerleaders and their blogs are twisting and distorting things far more then the Big Bad Media he hates ever did.
Like I said in another thread, Mittens an his ppl could give any RL politician's spin doctors lessons in their craft. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
663
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:48:00 -
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Jet Aeon wrote:Rico Minali wrote:Oh look, a new and exciting thread with brand new content. Until The Mittani ceases with his own with his own incredible damage control methods, this story is certain to continue with excitment and brand new content to talk about.
The whole PR damage control campaign idea he has is what is actually damaging them the most at this point. Since they are still approaching how to go about it from a goon perspective and outlook.
They are trying to ram a square peg through a round hole. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
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