Just point me to any law system where it is written that cyber-bullying = inciting to suicide.

sure well give him his job back right after jerry sandusky gets his back...

Alcohol

You need to read the Dev Blog.

Mittani can run in the next CSM if he so choses to do so.

I don't know if he should but that's his decision to make.

*epic facepalm*

Being an Alliance leader and on the CSM really split Mittens focus. Now that he is no longer saving CCPs bacon, we can focus on havesting skulls for his skull throne. Even bannished to the void, his will guides us. So no you can't have him back, he is ours, and your skulls shall adorn his throne in due time as well.

Just point me to any law system where it is written that saying "Go kill yourself" to someone suicidal ISN'T incitement to suicide...

I totally canGÇÖt believe I reactivated my account in order to speak out on behalf of The Mittani, but seriously, DonGÇÖt you think you guys have gone a bit too far???

There is no doubt that what The Mittani did was reprehensible. There is no doubt that what he did constitutes an example of GÇÿCyber-Bullying.GÇÖ

It is also equally evident that he doesnGÇÖt deserve the lynching he got.

And no one is pointing a finger at CCP. CCP not only bears responsibility for what happened, CCP is to Blame for what happened. And CCP should step up, man up, shoulder the blame and stop allowing a player to be lynched by an angry internet lynch mob.

CCP is to blame, not just responsible, for what happened because CCP encouraged and incited players, attendees of Fanfest to get very drunk. CCP not only advertised GÇ£Pub CrawlsGÇ¥ as part of Fanfest, they also advertised that CCP employees, Devs, residents of Iceland, would be leading the pub crawls. A major attraction of the Fanfest was GÇÿgetting drunk with the Devs.GÇÖ

ItGÇÖs the Culture of the CCP fanfest that is to blame.

Certainly, we all remember Alliance Tournaments, in which one day a Tournament commentator like Varrone appears alert, energetic, talkative and knowledgeable, making us all proud of the word GÇ£RPGÇ¥ and the next day heGÇÖs wearing a black-cap, holding his head with his hand, talking softly and avoiding the camera because heGÇÖs got a massive hangover that normally he would have had to take two days to sleep off.


Correct me if I am wrong, but The Mittani is from America. The land of Mothers Against Drunk Driving, where every advertisement of alcohol includes the phrase, GÇÿDrink responsibly.GÇÖ where powerful lobby groups fight, and win, over the placement of billboards that advertise alcohol at Major League baseball games. Where every major holiday includes legions of police randomly testing drivers for alcohol use. And this list could be extended.

The Mittani comes from a culture where the attitude toward alcohol is very different. No American corporation would license drinking and getting drunk the way that CCP does, for fear of the powerful anti-alcohol lobby groups in america.

Meanwhile, perhaps because CCP doesnGÇÖt have to fear Anti-alcohol lobby groups, CCP is stating that its going to address this problem and prevent it from happening again by exercising tighter control over the Alliance presentations. In other words, NOTHING. The presentations werenGÇÖt the problem, the Alcohol was/is.

Unless CCP curbs its Alcohol encouragement, weGÇÖre just going to watch another player, other players, have Alcohol induced meltdowns in other CCP events.

The Mittani was drawn into the alcohol-abusing culture of the CCP fanfests. The Mittani is a victim of the alcohol-abusing culture of the CCP fanfests.


CCP stop the lynching. Take the Blame. And give the Mittani back his position on the CSM.



Post-Script.
Not writting as though I'm an insider, just as an (off and on) EVE online player who has access to the forums.

Mittani gave up his position on CSM6 on his own will.
He saw it as a fitting self punishment for his misstep. And he did it without having a hidden agenda.

What is uncalled for by CCP is the 30-day ban, which excludes him from the CSM7 (where he also was going to give up the chairman seat).

I totally canGÇÖt believe I reactivated my account in order to speak out on behalf of The Mittani...

Also it should be noted that no one has been demanding The Mittani be perma-banned since CCP's sentence was handed down. Everyone is pretty much satisfied with the outcome. CCP has handled this a lot better than he has, and frankly his constant whining on Twitter is not helping his case for being allowed to run for CSM in the future.

No, it's not his choice entirely. If you read the dev blog, he will be subject to a candidacy review before being allowed to run again. Acting like a spoiled child whose golden pacifier has been taken away does not help him. He should take his own advice and...

DEAL WITH IT.

yeah nobody has been posting about the punishment not being enough, you certainly didn't make a thread calling for the disbandment of goonswarm, etc. etc.

Goons <> The Mittani

The issue of The Goons essentially being a hate group, while related to his behavior, is a different discussion.

I totally canGÇÖt believe I reactivated my account in order to speak out on behalf of The Mittani, but seriously, DonGÇÖt you think you guys have gone a bit too far???

You re-activated your account to create a forum post... what, you didn't think the countless of other threads were not enough?

You felt that the Goons were not doing enough to defend the honour of kittens?

Dude you need to get out more, also people don't hate the goons or kittens, we do these things because

WE LOVE YOU

no

you, yourself, have been calling for further punishments

you want his identity destroyed, associated with cyberbullying

you want to effectively ruin the man's life because of what he does in a video game

Shush. This topic is already dead in the water

1. Mittens owned his mistake, he admitted it and apologised for it. The words are there, how you interpret them is irrelevant.
2. Mittens has accepted CCPs decision to take him off CSM7 as well as the 30-day ban after he resigned as chairman.
3. Mittens' only real concern at this point has been his RL name getting associated with false sensationalist tags.
4. Mittens already talked it out with the writer in question who was responsible for the tags. They almost e-hugged in the end.
5. Mittens doesn't seem to feel like running for future CSM elections right now, but his opinion may change over the next year.

There are two victims in this whole debacle: CCP and The Mittani's RL player.

OP, did you even listen to his "State of the Goonion" speech?

He doesn't want the CSM position anymore.

Stuff

"Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [redacted], he has his own corp. Find him."

deal with it~

It was a good and rational post up until you claimed mittens is now somehow a "victim".

This poster has summed it all up just about perfectly right here.

Time for all of us to fricken take a nap and more on.

We've got a goon dance-party to plan on attending in Jita in a few weeks.
Gonna try to fill my dance card

I totally canGÇÖt believe I reactivated my account in order to speak out on behalf of The Mittani, but seriously, DonGÇÖt you think you guys have gone a bit too far???

There is no doubt that what The Mittani did was reprehensible. There is no doubt that what he did constitutes an example of GÇÿCyber-Bullying.GÇÖ

.

You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.

I totally canGÇÖt believe I reactivated my account in order to speak out on behalf of The Mittani, but seriously, DonGÇÖt you think you guys have gone a bit too far???

There is no doubt that what The Mittani did was reprehensible. There is no doubt that what he did constitutes an example of GÇÿCyber-Bullying.GÇÖ

It is also equally evident that he doesnGÇÖt deserve the lynching he got.

And no one is pointing a finger at CCP. CCP not only bears responsibility for what happened, CCP is to Blame for what happened. And CCP should step up, man up, shoulder the blame and stop allowing a player to be lynched by an angry internet lynch mob.

CCP is to blame, not just responsible, for what happened because CCP encouraged and incited players, attendees of Fanfest to get very drunk. CCP not only advertised GÇ£Pub CrawlsGÇ¥ as part of Fanfest, they also advertised that CCP employees, Devs, residents of Iceland, would be leading the pub crawls. A major attraction of the Fanfest was GÇÿgetting drunk with the Devs.GÇÖ

ItGÇÖs the Culture of the CCP fanfest that is to blame.

Certainly, we all remember Alliance Tournaments, in which one day a Tournament commentator like Varrone appears alert, energetic, talkative and knowledgeable, making us all proud of the word GÇ£RPGÇ¥ and the next day heGÇÖs wearing a black-cap, holding his head with his hand, talking softly and avoiding the camera because heGÇÖs got a massive hangover that normally he would have had to take two days to sleep off.


Correct me if I am wrong, but The Mittani is from America. The land of Mothers Against Drunk Driving, where every advertisement of alcohol includes the phrase, GÇÿDrink responsibly.GÇÖ where powerful lobby groups fight, and win, over the placement of billboards that advertise alcohol at Major League baseball games. Where every major holiday includes legions of police randomly testing drivers for alcohol use. And this list could be extended.

The Mittani comes from a culture where the attitude toward alcohol is very different. No American corporation would license drinking and getting drunk the way that CCP does, for fear of the powerful anti-alcohol lobby groups in america.

Meanwhile, perhaps because CCP doesnGÇÖt have to fear Anti-alcohol lobby groups, CCP is stating that its going to address this problem and prevent it from happening again by exercising tighter control over the Alliance presentations. In other words, NOTHING. The presentations werenGÇÖt the problem, the Alcohol was/is.

Unless CCP curbs its Alcohol encouragement, weGÇÖre just going to watch another player, other players, have Alcohol induced meltdowns in other CCP events.

The Mittani was drawn into the alcohol-abusing culture of the CCP fanfests. The Mittani is a victim of the alcohol-abusing culture of the CCP fanfests.


CCP stop the lynching. Take the Blame. And give the Mittani back his position on the CSM.



Post-Script.
Not writting as though I'm an insider, just as an (off and on) EVE online player who has access to the forums.

That sounds like suitable punishment for the people who are now engaging in RL threats and harassment against Mittens + family.

And then Mittesn goes on eve radio and starts shouting out a persons real life name left and right.

When he should by now know better.

I mean WTF.

...that guy is a journalist. His real life name is public knowledge.

And? You dont see the double standard in play here?

Brute force Meta-gaming




Do people really think all the alts in the world will change most people's view on Goons

Instead of just dealing with the 30 day ban, you kids have gone on a posting spree with every alt you can dig up.

You've attempted to create a whole new sensation over some radio show that 95% of the Eve population never even heard of, Just to distract people from the real problem, Bees have taken Meta-gaming too far, and they have lost control of it.

All in an attempt to get your Queen back into the drivers seat.
Problem is, according to recent reports, he really shouldn't be driving

Want to know the real problem with Meta-gaming, it's completely out of CCP's control.
There is no way to control what goes on out of game, unless it's public, and/or on video. [:oops
But how do you prove who put a person up to something? What if real money changed hands? CCP has no way to track money if it's not attached to an ingame transactions.
As long as Meta-gaming is welcome in game, you will have the possibility of things like this happening out of game

Would Goons be above paying someone cash to create a new account or bomb his existing account and do what was supposedly done on Eve radio

Certainly rumors ran wild in the past regarding meta-gaming and out of game money changing hands, but again, unless the people actually involved admit it you will never know.




Hopefully CCP will track down and ban anyone making real threats against real people. That's the way I really feel about it. But it doesn't change what happened last week, and all of the tears in the world won't change that
.

Its not a double standard. Using someone's real name when they themselves use their real name is not an inappropriate act.

Personally, I'm much more interested in the whole wave of anti-RMT that seems to have happened almost overnight!
PL in particular seems to have been hit hard.

Incidentally, here's a little fun tinfoil hat thing to consider:
Rumor has it PL lost somewhere in the region of 14 trillion isk as their wallet was nuked.
It isn't beyond beleiving that GSF or the CFC have more than two or three times this ammount of ISK in their collective wallets.
14 trillion isk can buy you almost 180,000 fully fit suicide gank Tornadoes.
Is GSF/CFC willing to sink 14 trillion isk into the Burn Jita event? (assuming ~6000 participants, each would have ~30 Tornadoes; not unreasonable).
How many days- nay, weeks- can 180,000 Tornadoes suicide gank for?
#TheirTornadoesWillBlotOutTheSun

Its not a double standard. Using someone's real name when they themselves use their real name is not an inappropriate act.

They supposedly bought 1800 Tornados, but clearly you've never seen the Bees in flight. It will be comedy of epic proportion.
And if you honestly believe that they actually have 6000 live people to fly ships, I have statue in Jita I'd like to sell you.

Besides, they may have to leave someone at home to mind the store, seems like a perfect time to go visit their homeland...

It's not alcohol's fault.
It's not CCP's fault.
It's not The Wis's fault.
It's not the gaming media's fault.
It's Mittani's fault.

Just point me to any law system where it is written that cyber-bullying = inciting to suicide.

Mittani gave up his position on CSM6 on his own will.
He saw it as a fitting self punishment for his misstep. And he did it without having a hidden agenda.

Mittani has taken responsibility for his actions. CCP has handed down its punishment. There's no need to debate this further.

~~~Deal with it~~~

I totally canGÇÖt believe I reactivated my account in order to speak out on behalf of The Mittani, but seriously, DonGÇÖt you think you guys have gone a bit too far???

There is no doubt that what The Mittani did was reprehensible. There is no doubt that what he did constitutes an example of GÇÿCyber-Bullying.GÇÖ

It is also equally evident that he doesnGÇÖt deserve the lynching he got.

And no one is pointing a finger at CCP. CCP not only bears responsibility for what happened, CCP is to Blame for what happened. And CCP should step up, man up, shoulder the blame and stop allowing a player to be lynched by an angry internet lynch mob.

CCP is to blame, not just responsible, for what happened because CCP encouraged and incited players, attendees of Fanfest to get very drunk. CCP not only advertised GÇ£Pub CrawlsGÇ¥ as part of Fanfest, they also advertised that CCP employees, Devs, residents of Iceland, would be leading the pub crawls. A major attraction of the Fanfest was GÇÿgetting drunk with the Devs.GÇÖ

ItGÇÖs the Culture of the CCP fanfest that is to blame.

Certainly, we all remember Alliance Tournaments, in which one day a Tournament commentator like Varrone appears alert, energetic, talkative and knowledgeable, making us all proud of the word GÇ£RPGÇ¥ and the next day heGÇÖs wearing a black-cap, holding his head with his hand, talking softly and avoiding the camera because heGÇÖs got a massive hangover that normally he would have had to take two days to sleep off.


Correct me if I am wrong, but The Mittani is from America. The land of Mothers Against Drunk Driving, where every advertisement of alcohol includes the phrase, GÇÿDrink responsibly.GÇÖ where powerful lobby groups fight, and win, over the placement of billboards that advertise alcohol at Major League baseball games. Where every major holiday includes legions of police randomly testing drivers for alcohol use. And this list could be extended.

The Mittani comes from a culture where the attitude toward alcohol is very different. No American corporation would license drinking and getting drunk the way that CCP does, for fear of the powerful anti-alcohol lobby groups in america.

Meanwhile, perhaps because CCP doesnGÇÖt have to fear Anti-alcohol lobby groups, CCP is stating that its going to address this problem and prevent it from happening again by exercising tighter control over the Alliance presentations. In other words, NOTHING. The presentations werenGÇÖt the problem, the Alcohol was/is.

Unless CCP curbs its Alcohol encouragement, weGÇÖre just going to watch another player, other players, have Alcohol induced meltdowns in other CCP events.

The Mittani was drawn into the alcohol-abusing culture of the CCP fanfests. The Mittani is a victim of the alcohol-abusing culture of the CCP fanfests.


CCP stop the lynching. Take the Blame. And give the Mittani back his position on the CSM.



Post-Script.
Not writting as though I'm an insider, just as an (off and on) EVE online player who has access to the forums.

Mittani has taken responsibility for his actions. CCP has handed down its punishment. There's no need to debate this further.

~~~Deal with it~~~

Not true, current "candidacy policies" (key part) restrict people from running who have been banned under EULA/TOS.

Using it to cause harm to the person? Two wrongs make a right?

This is what you are basically pushing.

Even worse mittens should know better by now in light of everything.

There was no reason to use the persons real name like he did on that radio show. It was all spite and hate. He easily could have made his points without trying to get people to hate another person and divulging an IRL persons name. Its more cyber bullying on his part.

We are now back to him need to make and apology for his actions again.

Not really. Mittanni did apologize, did step down, was banned but like the true self-promoter that he is went on to state how he would turn this around to benefit himself. IDK, just wreaks so bad in my opinion. It's like a drunk actor who runs over someone, apologizes, pays medical bills and then uses the incident to state how it actually benefits his up-coming movie. It destroys any credibility he had with the sincerity of his apology and actions there after.

Really, he just needs to STFU.

Seems like scandals like this are always a hotbed of blame-shifting. Music, movies, video games, alcohol, Twinkies, what have you...it's always someone/something other than the perpetrator, right?

It's not alcohol's fault.
It's not CCP's fault.
It's not The Wis's fault.
It's not the gaming media's fault.
It's Mittani's fault.

Mittani has taken responsibility for his actions (though it's pretty clear he's not very happy about the consequences of them, but that's a separate topic altogether). There's no need to debate this further.

Interesting, I thought he did it to allow Goons to attack other CSM members and to facilitate the burn jita movement, per his own words.

Not true, current "candidacy policies" (key part) restrict people from running who have been banned under EULA/TOS.

As per our policies, this candidate may be eligible to run at a later date subject to candidacy review.

All he's sorry about is he got called out on it. He even noted the "fact' that the only reason he GOT a ban wasnt cause he didnt something wrong but because the "cyber-bully" tag was associated to it

He ****** up. He's paying for it now. He can run for CSM next election.

Oh look, a new and exciting thread with brand new content.

When he put that idea out there I was stunned he would try to pull that one.

His cheerleaders and their blogs are twisting and distorting things far more then the Big Bad Media he hates ever did.

Until The Mittani ceases with his own with his own incredible damage control methods, this story is certain to continue with excitment and brand new content to talk about.

He ****** up. He's paying for it now. He can run for CSM next election.

Stop.
Making.
Threads.
About.
This.

I totally canGÇÖt believe I reactivated my account in order to speak out on behalf of The Mittani, but seriously, DonGÇÖt you think you guys have gone a bit too far???

There is no doubt that what The Mittani did was reprehensible. There is no doubt that what he did constitutes an example of GÇÿCyber-Bullying.GÇÖ

It is also equally evident that he doesnGÇÖt deserve the lynching he got.

And no one is pointing a finger at CCP. CCP not only bears responsibility for what happened, CCP is to Blame for what happened. And CCP should step up, man up, shoulder the blame and stop allowing a player to be lynched by an angry internet lynch mob.

CCP is to blame, not just responsible, for what happened because CCP encouraged and incited players, attendees of Fanfest to get very drunk. CCP not only advertised GÇ£Pub CrawlsGÇ¥ as part of Fanfest, they also advertised that CCP employees, Devs, residents of Iceland, would be leading the pub crawls. A major attraction of the Fanfest was GÇÿgetting drunk with the Devs.GÇÖ

ItGÇÖs the Culture of the CCP fanfest that is to blame.

Certainly, we all remember Alliance Tournaments, in which one day a Tournament commentator like Varrone appears alert, energetic, talkative and knowledgeable, making us all proud of the word GÇ£RPGÇ¥ and the next day heGÇÖs wearing a black-cap, holding his head with his hand, talking softly and avoiding the camera because heGÇÖs got a massive hangover that normally he would have had to take two days to sleep off.


Correct me if I am wrong, but The Mittani is from America. The land of Mothers Against Drunk Driving, where every advertisement of alcohol includes the phrase, GÇÿDrink responsibly.GÇÖ where powerful lobby groups fight, and win, over the placement of billboards that advertise alcohol at Major League baseball games. Where every major holiday includes legions of police randomly testing drivers for alcohol use. And this list could be extended.

The Mittani comes from a culture where the attitude toward alcohol is very different. No American corporation would license drinking and getting drunk the way that CCP does, for fear of the powerful anti-alcohol lobby groups in america.

Meanwhile, perhaps because CCP doesnGÇÖt have to fear Anti-alcohol lobby groups, CCP is stating that its going to address this problem and prevent it from happening again by exercising tighter control over the Alliance presentations. In other words, NOTHING. The presentations werenGÇÖt the problem, the Alcohol was/is.

Unless CCP curbs its Alcohol encouragement, weGÇÖre just going to watch another player, other players, have Alcohol induced meltdowns in other CCP events.

The Mittani was drawn into the alcohol-abusing culture of the CCP fanfests. The Mittani is a victim of the alcohol-abusing culture of the CCP fanfests.


CCP stop the lynching. Take the Blame. And give the Mittani back his position on the CSM.



Post-Script.
Not writting as though I'm an insider, just as an (off and on) EVE online player who has access to the forums.

Oh joy another thread on this as if we don't have enough on this matter already

Correct, we dont, when the Mittens supporters think this isnt a big thing and even Mittens himself only thinks he got in trouble cause someone mislabelled (in his and only his warped view) this incident as cyber bullying (which it was).

The ones keeping it alive and pushing it past its life expectancy are the goons and mittens himself now.

They are the ones damaging CCP long run yet again.

Correct, we dont

Shut up. Nobody cares.

Lot of words without even reading The Mittani's appology.

Ok, I'm curious...when will it be enough?

When Mittani is gone from EVE forever?
.

@ OP:

I have stayed away from replying to any threads on this subject recently, but this I feel requires addressing.

The main point of your thread is "this is alcohol's fault, nothing like this could happen if CCP did not allow alcohol at fanfest". This, as a premise, is severely flawed, alcohol does not (contrary to what some believe) alter personalities or cause people to say things that they would otherwise find abhorrent, and blaming a person's action's whilst drunk on alcohol (one's own or someone else's) is immature and incorrect.

CCP didn't take the chair from him. He passed on it himself. So you are saying that you don't want The Mittani to make his own mind and listen to someone who can't even read and comprehend what is written.

You shouldn't have wasted returning to write stuff you have absolutley no knowledge of.

This horse has really been beaten to death. Give it up and move on.

I totally canGÇÖt believe I reactivated my account in order to speak out on behalf of The Mittani, but seriously, DonGÇÖt you think you guys have gone a bit too far???

ex-Chairman of my heart~

fixed for ya

@OP

So erm.. was he drunk when he made the pre prepared slides?

also, were the CCP guys that approved those slides drunk when they approved them? I could be wrong but the slides showed the suicidal intent....

@OP:

Absolutely not. Personally I think he should have been permanently banned from the game. 30 days is not enough. Furthermore as a legitimate subscriber to this game I strongly object to even the remote possibility that he be allowed back onto the CSM now or at any time in the future.

good thing that's not your call otherwise every single polarizing player would be permabanned