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Somal Thunder Intergalactic Peace Organization	Posted - 2008.10.14 16:48:00 - [1] - fslensku: Vi= -slendingar erum or=nir nokku= f·lir ß ßstandinu eins og stendur. ¦a= er a= ver=a erfi=ara og erfi=ara a= kaupa sTr ßskrift f EVE og einnig d²rara. Vi=, fslensku EVE-Online spilararnir, h÷ldum ¦vf fram a= CCP sT a= gefa okkur puttann, og gefum vi= ¦vf CCP puttann beint ß m=ti ef ekkert ver=ur gert til a= lei=rTtta ¦etta. ¦= svo a= ¦a= sT hµgt a= kaupa tfmak==a f BT eru ¦eir =·tsk²ranlega d²rir, og ¦a= vµri µskilegt ef vi= gµtum keypt tfmann okkar ß netinu og borga= me= fslenskum kr=num. 1500 kr=nur er alveg nokku= sanngjarnt ver= fyrir mßnu=, ver=i= eins og ¦a= er f dag getur ekki talist sem neitt anna= en spark f okkar fjßrhagslega pung. --- In English: We, the Icelandic EVE-Online players are growing to become quite tired of the situation that has struck us. It is becoming increasingly expensive and difficult to purchase EVE game time. We, the Icelandic EVE-Online players, have decided to take this as a sign that CCP is effectively giving us the (middle) finger, and we will respond in an identical manner if nothing shall be done to come to terms with us. Although that purchasing time codes in a store such as BT is possible (they don't even list the item in their online catalog), it is expensive at an alarming level. We wish to be able to purchase game time over the internet and pay in Icelandic currency, the Icelandic Krona. 1500 kr=nur is a pretty fair and decent price, but as the situation is as it is today, the price we are being charge is equivalent to a blow in the nuts towards our wallets. The Icelandic people have spoken. --- Ef ¦i= eru= sammßla, setji= eftirfarandi f svar ykkar vi= ¦essum ¦rµ=i: If you agree, please place the following image into your reply: Quote: [img]http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/9639/1daysupport2ti8.jpg[/img] Preview:
hundurinn Pagan Belief	Posted - 2008.10.14 17:08:00 - [2] I support this man.
Pesky LaRue Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.14 17:10:00 - [3] i don't mean this to sound like the typical "why don't you just pay with a credit card post" but why don't you just pay with a credit card? ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++
Cpt Hound Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.10.14 17:12:00 - [4] Edited by: Cpt Hound on 14/10/2008 17:14:20 Originally by: Pesky LaRue i don't mean this to sound like the typical "why don't you just pay with a credit card post" but why don't you just pay with a credit card? But we do. We pay in euros, and when we receive the credit card bill it's in Icelandic Krona. Icelandic krona collapses, euro goes up, we pay more. And depending on the current exchange rate, the cost has doubled or tripled.
Dizeezer Velar Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2008.10.14 17:14:00 - [5] Originally by: Cpt Hound Originally by: Pesky LaRue i don't mean this to sound like the typical "why don't you just pay with a credit card post" but why don't you just pay with a credit card? But we do. We pay in euros, and when we receive the credit card bill it's in Icelandic Krona. Icelandic krona collapses, euro goes up, we pay more. So you are blaming CCP for the collapse of the Krona??? LOL
Sprawdzacz	Posted - 2008.10.14 17:15:00 - [6] LOL most of young ppl in my country have to work 1 day ( 8 hours ) for 30d gtc ;] In USA its only how many? 2 hours ( if you work in mcdonald;d )?! And you are complaining because of what? That GTC dont cost like can of coke for you ?:D cry me a river lol
Cpt Hound Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.10.14 17:16:00 - [7] Originally by: Dizeezer Velar Originally by: Cpt Hound Originally by: Pesky LaRue i don't mean this to sound like the typical "why don't you just pay with a credit card post" but why don't you just pay with a credit card? But we do. We pay in euros, and when we receive the credit card bill it's in Icelandic Krona. Icelandic krona collapses, euro goes up, we pay more. So you are blaming CCP for the collapse of the Krona??? LOL How on earth did you get that impression, I only said: Quote: Icelandic krona collapses
Gaurina Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.10.14 17:16:00 - [8] +g sty= ¦etta heilshugar! And to answer the credicard question: Not everyone has a credit card, I got my first 2 years ago only because I was traveling to a country that didn't take my debet card everywhere. Up until that point I paid for my subscription with cash by buying GTC in the store.
Dizeezer Velar Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2008.10.14 17:17:00 - [9] Edited by: Dizeezer Velar on 14/10/2008 17:18:02 Originally by: Cpt Hound Originally by: Dizeezer Velar Originally by: Cpt Hound Originally by: Pesky LaRue i don't mean this to sound like the typical "why don't you just pay with a credit card post" but why don't you just pay with a credit card? But we do. We pay in euros, and when we receive the credit card bill it's in Icelandic Krona. Icelandic krona collapses, euro goes up, we pay more. So you are blaming CCP for the collapse of the Krona??? LOL How on earth did you get that impression, I only said: Quote: Icelandic krona collapses Yea exactly. CCP hasn't raised it's price. Your Krona's value has changed, making eve more expensive because of your devalued currency. That is something that CCP has no control over, so I'm not sure what you expect them to do.
Sexiest Beast Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.10.14 17:31:00 - [10] What exactly is it you are asking ? Do you want CCP to single-handedly fix the icelandic economy or do you propose the CCP offer the option to pay in local currency ?
Somal Thunder Intergalactic Peace Organization	Posted - 2008.10.14 17:32:00 - [11] Originally by: Pesky LaRue i don't mean this to sound like the typical "why don't you just pay with a credit card post" but why don't you just pay with a credit card? Let's do some maths to explain how much we have to pay if we pay with credit cards: Please note that ISK in this picture reffers to Icelandic Kr=na. Originally by: Dizeezer Velar Originally by: Cpt Hound Originally by: Pesky LaRue i don't mean this to sound like the typical "why don't you just pay with a credit card post" but why don't you just pay with a credit card? But we do. We pay in euros, and when we receive the credit card bill it's in Icelandic Krona. Icelandic krona collapses, euro goes up, we pay more. So you are blaming CCP for the collapse of the Krona??? LOL No, we do note blame CCP for anything, except not charging us in the local currency. How would you Americans like it if all car rentals only let you rent your cars with euros, and your dollar collapsed? You'd probably be pretty **ed. Originally by:** Sprawdzacz LOL most of young ppl in my country have to work 1 day ( 8 hours ) for 30d gtc ;] In USA its only how many? 2 hours ( if you work in mcdonald;d )?! And you are complaining because of what? That GTC dont cost like can of coke for you ?:D cry me a river lol Although you make a good point, you are comparing two very unlike situations. But I'll be honest with you, the average teenager gets about 800 ISK (kr=na) an hour, that's still 6 hours and 33 minutes. Originally by: Dizeezer Velar Yea exactly. CCP hasn't raised it's price. Your Krona's value has changed, making eve more expensive because of your devalued currency. That is something that CCP has no control over, so I'm not sure what you expect them to do. CCP may not have any control of the krona, but by not accepting our Icelandic currency by forcing us to purchase euros, they are weakening our currency and there is something they can do about it, and that is sell the game time in Icelandic Kr=na.
Mikal Drey Minmatar ORIGIN SYSTEMS Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.14 17:32:00 - [12] hey hey I remember paying for my account in ISK unfortunatly CCP milked that cashcow already :''''(
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.10.14 17:34:00 - [13] Oh, hey, yeah, listen, I'm from Whereverthehellistan, and our national coin also suffered a big nosedive. We ALSO demand that CCP starts chargin us in OUR local currency at the prices we used to pay a year ago. Thank you for understanding. _ Alternate resist display \|\| Mission reward revamp \|\| better nanofix
Asuka SoryuLangley	Posted - 2008.10.14 17:37:00 - [14] Edited by: Asuka SoryuLangley on 14/10/2008 17:37:43 First: Speak english FFS! Second: i'm european and wish to pay in dollars, make me happy!
Euriti Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.14 17:37:00 - [15] Edited by: Euriti on 14/10/2008 17:37:58 I'll simplify this for the people who can't grasp it. The islandic currency (Krone) has collapsed and lots most of it's value. Icelandic people have to pay for EVE in euro but get paid in kroner, which means that their cost for playing eve has doubled or tripled compared to before. Enabling them to pay in their own currency will mean that they, relatively to their salary, pay the same as before. Also to the people saying that they want to pay in their currency too, there's a difference, CCP are from iceland and, afaik, pay people in ISK.
Somal Thunder Intergalactic Peace Organization	Posted - 2008.10.14 17:38:00 - [16] Originally by: Akita T Oh, hey, yeah, listen, I'm from Whereverthehellistan, and our national coin also suffered a big nosedive. We ALSO demand that CCP starts chargin us in OUR local currency at the prices we used to pay a year ago. Thank you for understanding. Why would they use your currency when CCP is not located in the country that uses it? CCP is located in the country that uses the Icelandic Kr=na. Just like your slave-trade sneaker factories are located in your country, and that's why somebody pays your currency for it, even though we might have to pay whatever currency we trade in at the end of the line.
Dizeezer Velar Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2008.10.14 17:39:00 - [17] CCP is a global company, they charge in euros or usd just like other global companies. Just because they originated in iceland doesn't mean they are a local company. Their wanting people to pay in euros is not outrageous or unreasonable. That being said, I feel for you though, hope your economy rights itself soon.
Somal Thunder Intergalactic Peace Organization	Posted - 2008.10.14 17:39:00 - [18] Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley Edited by: Asuka SoryuLangley on 14/10/2008 17:37:43 First: Speak english FFS! Second: i'm european and wish to pay in dollars, make me happy! I see you've edited your post, because you've probably realized that I have explained why we want to pay in "kr=nur". Also, if you want to pay in dollars, purchase your game time off www.shatteredcrystal.com which sells time codes in American Dollars.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.10.14 17:42:00 - [19] Edited by: Akita T on 14/10/2008 17:44:50 Originally by: Somal Thunder Why would they use your currency when CCP is not located in the country that uses it? Why would they use the ISK instead of USD/EUR just because they have the head office over there in Iceland ? P.S. Just for the record, I live in Romania, which is technically part of the EU already, even if we still have a different currency than the Euro. Pretty much every IT&telecom company charges in RON equivalent of fixed EUR prices, and before we were part of the EU they used to charge in RON equivalent of fixed USD prices. _ Alternate resist display \|\| Mission reward revamp \|\| better nanofix
Somal Thunder Intergalactic Peace Organization	Posted - 2008.10.14 17:47:00 - [20] Edited by: Somal Thunder on 14/10/2008 17:49:39 Originally by: Dizeezer Velar CCP is a global company, they charge in euros or usd just like other global companies. Just because they originated in iceland doesn't mean they are a local company. Their wanting people to pay in euros is not outrageous or unreasonable. That being said, I feel for you though, hope your economy rights itself soon. Most global companies actually charge their product based on where it is manufactured or where the service is provided. Hertz in America will charge you in dollars, Hertz in Germany will charge you in euros. Seeing as CCP does most of the actual developing in Iceland, I think it's only fair that they show the home team some support and let people pay for the game in the currency they use in most of their expenses. Granted that there are a lot of overseas operations, the Icelandic population is simply not big enough to have a big effect on the company's finances just because the company charges Icelanders in Icelandic Kr=na, all I ask is that until the inlation things here has risen in an equivalent manner as to how much the price of EVE time has been risen, they should try and keep the price fair. If no prices were to change except for milk which would suddenly rise to $20 a gallon, would you keep buying the milk just because it's charged for in a different currency, or would you drink something else instead? Edit: ADD: Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 14/10/2008 17:44:50 Why would they use the ISK instead of USD/EUR just because they have the head office over there in Iceland ? They pay for a big part of their expenses in ISK anyways.
Cpt Hound Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.10.14 17:50:00 - [21] Edited by: Cpt Hound on 14/10/2008 17:51:59 Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 14/10/2008 17:44:50 Originally by: Somal Thunder Why would they use your currency when CCP is not located in the country that uses it? Why would they use the ISK instead of USD/EUR just because they have the head office over there in Iceland ? P.S. Just for the record, I live in Romania, which is technically part of the EU already, even if we still have a different currency than the Euro. Pretty much every IT&telecom company charges in RON equivalent of fixed EUR prices, and before we were part of the EU they used to charge in RON equivalent of fixed USD prices. All I'm asking is this. It would by kind of CCP to charge us in krona for the time being, because of the situation here in Iceland. CCP employees are suffering just as much as the Icelandic players. It would be great if they would charge us in krona instead of euros until the economy of Iceland has recovered.
Dizeezer Velar Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2008.10.14 17:52:00 - [22] Edited by: Dizeezer Velar on 14/10/2008 17:53:07 Originally by: Cpt Hound Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 14/10/2008 17:44:50 Originally by: Somal Thunder Why would they use your currency when CCP is not located in the country that uses it? Why would they use the ISK instead of USD/EUR just because they have the head office over there in Iceland ? P.S. Just for the record, I live in Romania, which is technically part of the EU already, even if we still have a different currency than the Euro. Pretty much every IT&telecom company charges in RON equivalent of fixed EUR prices, and before we were part of the EU they used to charge in RON equivalent of fixed USD prices. All I'm asking is this. It would by kind of CCP to charge us in krona for the time being, because of the situation here in Iceland. CCP employees are suffering just as much as the players. It would be great if they would charge us in krona instead of euros until the economy of Iceland has balanced again. This is reasonable, given the extreme circumstances of your economy and that CCP originated in Iceland. Would be a kind thing to do.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.10.14 17:52:00 - [23] Edited by: Akita T on 14/10/2008 17:52:55 Originally by: Somal Thunder Granted that there are a lot of overseas operations, the Icelandic population is simply not big enough to have a big effect on the company's finances just because the company charges Icelanders in Icelandic Kr=na, all I ask is that until the inlation things here has risen in an equivalent manner as to how much the price of EVE time has been risen, they should try and keep the price fair. Originally by: Cpt Hound All I'm asking is this. It would by kind of CCP to charge us in krona for the time being, because of the situation here in Iceland. CCP employees are suffering just as much as the Icelandic players. It would be great if they would charge us in krona instead of euros until the economy of Iceland has recovered. A lot of thigs lately (the GTC change, the ghost training thing, to name but the two most notable recent changes) were made to INCREASE the revenue. You might as well ask for free accounts for people in Iceland out of "patriotism" or somesuch. _ Alternate resist display \|\| Mission reward revamp \|\| better nanofix
Sexiest Beast Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.10.14 17:53:00 - [24] Originally by: Cpt Hound All I'm asking is this. It would by kind of CCP to charge us in krona for the time being, because of the situation here in Iceland. CCP employees are suffering just as much as the players. It would be great if they would charge us in krona instead of euros until the economy of Iceland has balanced again. TINFOIL HAT
Cpt Hound Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.10.14 17:53:00 - [25] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Somal Thunder Granted that there are a lot of overseas operations, the Icelandic population is simply not big enough to have a big effect on the company's finances just because the company charges Icelanders in Icelandic Kr=na, all I ask is that until the inlation things here has risen in an equivalent manner as to how much the price of EVE time has been risen, they should try and keep the price fair. A lot of thigs lately (the GTC change, the ghost training thing, to name but the two most notable recent changes) were made to INCREASE the revenue. You might as well ask for free accounts for people in Iceland out of "patriotism" or somesuch. Akita, look at my answer above.
Somal Thunder Intergalactic Peace Organization	Posted - 2008.10.14 17:55:00 - [26] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 14/10/2008 17:52:55 A lot of thigs lately (the GTC change, the ghost training thing, to name but the two most notable recent changes) were made to INCREASE the revenue. You might as well ask for free accounts for people in Iceland out of "patriotism" or somesuch. It's always to increase revenue, but exploiting an entire nation of EVE-Players hardly seems fair!
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.10.14 17:56:00 - [27] Originally by: Cpt Hound Akita, look at my answer above. Same answer. WHY should they care ? CCP is a company. And as recent events have shown, an increasingly profit-oriented company. The recent trend was "more money for us". Are you expecting a sudden burst of charity because of one of their location (even if it's the "main" location) ? _ Alternate resist display \|\| Mission reward revamp \|\| better nanofix
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.10.14 17:57:00 - [28] Originally by: Somal Thunder Exploiting an entire nation of EVE-Players hardly seems fair! What about OTHER nations that had their coin tank with regards to the USD/EUR ? Aren't they "exploited" too ? How come you're not asking for simpathy for them ? _ Alternate resist display \|\| Mission reward revamp \|\| better nanofix
Somal Thunder Intergalactic Peace Organization	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:02:00 - [29] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Somal Thunder Exploiting an entire nation of EVE-Players hardly seems fair! What about OTHER nations that had their coin tank with regards to the USD/EUR ? Aren't they "exploited" too ? How come you're not asking for simpathy for them ? The currency they pay in can't be used to pay for company expenses. 1500 kr=nur actually means something here, while 20 rubels or whatever can't be used to purchase any product here.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:07:00 - [30] Originally by: Somal Thunder The currency they pay in can't be used to pay for company expenses. 1500 kr=nur actually means something here, while 20 rubels or whatever can't be used to purchase any product here. Yeah, but 15 euro is 15 euro no matter how you put it. So just pay the guys 15 euro like everybody else in the EU economic area regardless of their national coin. Oh, hey, look, you COULD have joined the EU already, but you didn't. You COULD have adopted the Euro, but you didn't. CCP could charge you in ISK instead of EUR, but it won't. End of story. _ Alternate resist display \|\| Mission reward revamp \|\| better nanofix
Eran Laude Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:07:00 - [31] Pay with real money please? They aren't going to basically slash the value of their product to cater to an audience of a few hundred, several thousand at the most, even if it is the nation where they currently are headquartered. The Krona is going anywhere but up for a long, long time. I'm afraid you're just going to have to deal with it.
Na'Thuul Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:10:00 - [32] Iceland should start talking to the Norwegian government about coming back home. Most Icelanders are of Norwegian descent anyways =) We has oil and monies! ---
Quanteeri Salty Seaman	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:12:00 - [33] Edited by: Quanteeri on 14/10/2008 18:12:47 Icelanders should be able to pay at the CCP office. You should stage a protest in front of their building.
Somal Thunder Intergalactic Peace Organization	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:12:00 - [34] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 14/10/2008 18:09:48 Originally by: Somal Thunder The currency they pay in can't be used to pay for company expenses. 1500 kr=nur actually means something here, while 20 rubels or whatever can't be used to purchase any product here. Yeah, but 15 euro is 15 euro no matter how you put it. So just pay the guys 15 euro like everybody else in the EU economic area regardless of their national coin. Oh, like, say, Romanians ? Hey, look, you COULD have joined the EU already, but you didn't. You COULD have adopted the Euro, but you didn't. CCP could charge you in ISK instead of EUR, but it won't. End of story. Joining the EU would have been much worse (and we were denied to adopt the euro without doing such) Also, we still wouldn't have the euro, had we adopted it. By joining the EU we would have to surrender all our fish. If we can't export fish, the country can no longer import products, causing dramatic inflation. We would be worse set off (although GTC's would be peanuts for us)
Somal Thunder Intergalactic Peace Organization	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:14:00 - [35] Originally by: Na'Thuul Iceland should start talking to the Norwegian government about coming back home. Most Icelanders are of Norwegian descent anyways =) We has oil and monies! Don't forget the Irish monks!! No but seriously, you guys should've helped us when we sent out our economical "S.O.S." This must prove that Russians are better than Norwegians in some way. Originally by: Quanteeri Icelanders should be able to pay at the CCP office. Agreed!
Na'Thuul Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:18:00 - [36] Edited by: Na''Thuul on 14/10/2008 18:19:42 Edited by: Na''Thuul on 14/10/2008 18:18:43 Originally by: Somal Thunder Originally by: Na'Thuul Iceland should start talking to the Norwegian government about coming back home. Most Icelanders are of Norwegian descent anyways =) We has oil and monies! Don't forget the Irish monks!! No but seriously, you guys should've helped us when we sent out our economical "S.O.S." This must prove that Russians are better than Norwegians in some way. Originally by: Quanteeri Icelanders should be able to pay at the CCP office. Agreed! Actually it just shows Russia has a hidden agenda. Don't think for a second Putin helps anyone out of charity. Anyways, we ARE helping. Your central bank just got 200 million euros from us, with the option to get another 300 million at any time if needed ---
Somal Thunder Intergalactic Peace Organization	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:24:00 - [37] Originally by: Na'Thuul Edited by: Na''Thuul on 14/10/2008 18:19:42 Edited by: Na''Thuul on 14/10/2008 18:18:43 Originally by: Somal Thunder Originally by: Na'Thuul Iceland should start talking to the Norwegian government about coming back home. Most Icelanders are of Norwegian descent anyways =) We has oil and monies! Don't forget the Irish monks!! No but seriously, you guys should've helped us when we sent out our economical "S.O.S." This must prove that Russians are better than Norwegians in some way. Originally by: Quanteeri Icelanders should be able to pay at the CCP office. Agreed! Actually it just shows Russia has a hidden agenda. Don't think for a second Putin helps anyone out of charity. Anyways, we ARE helping. Your central bank just got 200 million euros from us, with the option to get another 300 million at any time if needed Yes, that's true, you are helping, but it definately took it's time and your leaders were reluctant to do so. Personally, I'm in gratitude and I know that Putin will probably extort our underground oil jurisdcitions from us, but there is nothing we can do about that, we need all the currency we can get so that our kr=na doesn't crumble like a biscuit in hot water.
Brigsby5987 Caldari 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:29:00 - [38] Quote: No, we do note blame CCP for anything, except not charging us in the local currency. How would you Americans like it if all car rentals only let you rent your cars with euros, and your dollar collapsed? You'd probably be pretty ****ed. Not to burst your bubble but our dollar is at risk of collapse due to the euro/yen. Currently gas is purchased with the dollar, but if they decide to switch to the Euro or Yen, our value will crash. Will it suck? Yes. Will playing eve be one of the main things on my mind? No. Get your priorities straight and look at leaving iceland before it gets worse, rather then worrying about how you will play eve. _______________________________________ Sig? where. There's no sig here.
Na'Thuul Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:33:00 - [39] Well, just to clarify, our government said from they start they were more than happy to help, but only if the Icelandic government asked for it. To quote "Iceland has to define what they need, and talk to us. I do not believe it will do any good if we were to come barging in with money telling the Icelanders what to do." ---
Somal Thunder Intergalactic Peace Organization	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:34:00 - [40] Originally by: Brigsby5987 Quote: No, we do note blame CCP for anything, except not charging us in the local currency. How would you Americans like it if all car rentals only let you rent your cars with euros, and your dollar collapsed? You'd probably be pretty ****ed. Not to burst your bubble but our dollar is at risk of collapse due to the euro/yen. Currently gas is purchased with the dollar, but if they decide to switch to the Euro or Yen, our value will crash. Will it suck? Yes. Will playing eve be one of the main things on my mind? No. Get your priorities straight and look at leaving iceland before it gets worse, rather then worrying about how you will play eve. If I could leave, I would, but I'm learning economics here (ironic, isn't it?) and I have nowhere to go. But don't worry, I can always start over, I don't have any loans.
Meistari Hanagalsins	Posted - 2008.10.15 00:35:00 - [41] Icelandic: MTr finnst ¦etta algj÷r vitleysa. CCP ber enga ßbyrg= ß kr=nufallinu, ¦vert ß m=ti; CCP er ·tflutningsfyrirtµki og hefur ¦annig styrkt kr=nuna ß undanf÷rnum ßrum. ¦ar sem game card er ekki nau=synjavara ber CCP enga meirihßttar samfTlagslega ßbyrg= umfram skatta. A= spila EvE er ¦rßtt fyrir hµkkunina ekki d²r skemmtun, ¦a= tekur mann f lßglaunavinnu n· um 4 tfma a= vinna fyrir game cardi f sta=inn fyrir 2. English: This is total nonsense. CCP can't be held responsible for the kr=na collapse, on the contrary; being an exporting corporation it has only strengthened the kr=na in recent years. In spite of the heightened price, playing EvE is still not expensive for Icelanders, it costs about 4 working hours (for someone with low wages) now instead of 2. And because game cards can only be considered a luxury CCP doesn't have the social responsibility of providing it with a discount or for free in harsh times.
Col Carter	Posted - 2008.10.15 00:57:00 - [42] Originally by: Somal Thunder By joining the EU we would have to surrender all our fish. If we can't export fish, the country can no longer import products, causing dramatic inflation. We would be worse set off (although GTC's would be peanuts for us) Completely incorrect. Have a look at Denmark's membership agreements, while on a base level there are a lot of things which cannot be deviated from as an EU member, there is a multitude of options available for countries to be a member and retain control over vital aspects of their society or economics. A briefing was provided to your cabinet on these matters two days ago, by now I would have thought some smart politicians and entrepreneurs to recognise the potential of EU membership without having to, err, give up the fish.
Max Torps Gallente DawnWatchers	Posted - 2008.10.15 00:58:00 - [43] If anyone took the time to listen to some of the Icelanders when they visit fanfest they will know that Icelanders generally are fiercely independent and although have close ties to Norway both historically and genetically, they would rather remain politically independent. As for special dispensation to make a game time card available at the game shop in Reykjavik and therefore purchasable in RL Isk then that's a decision that CCP can make and frankly I wouldn't blame them for doing so. Especially as their first game success was home grown. But then everyone's an armchair economist these days.
Col Carter	Posted - 2008.10.15 01:02:00 - [44] Originally by: Max Torps As for special dispensation to make a game time card available at the game shop in Reykjavik and therefore purchasable in RL Isk then that's a decision that CCP can make and frankly I wouldn't blame them for doing so. Especially as their first game success was home grown. Economy is cheap these days It would be a commendable action, but an unlikely one. It is corporate world.
Megan Maynard Minmatar 17th Minmatar Tactical Wing	Posted - 2008.10.15 01:09:00 - [45] This is one of those things that I'm sure CCP is well aware of and it probably pains them not to offer GTC in ISK but they are facing alot of tough decisions lately I'm sure with the economic crash. However, killing a good amount of the profit from a company is never a good practice, and neither is going into panic mode. (See airlines after 9/11, Wallstreet the last month.) They can't change business practice because of a crises, that will only make things worse. I feel sorry for you guys btw, I hope the upturn the last 2-3 days helps you out some.
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Kendar Gallente Disney inc	Posted - 2008.10.15 09:04:00 - [47] would this not be a great time for people from iceland to quit eve? makes it a lot easyer to quit something when you have to choose either food for a week or paying for a game! I wish I was that poor so I could quit this evil game that have its hands in my pockets (and its not doing anytinthg good in that pocket ) but here in norway we can pay a month with 30min at work
Dikanal	Posted - 2008.10.15 09:08:00 - [48] Edited by: Dikanal on 15/10/2008 09:08:32 You have to feel sympathy for the people in Iceland if the price of EVE for them has tripled I doubt many other people would consider paying triple the price they currently pay while the general cost of living is going through the roof as well. CCP could easily do something even if its a simple thing like printing off some time codes and putting them in sealed envelopes and getting a local shop to sell them for a modest fee.
Tiger313 313th Squadron	Posted - 2008.10.15 09:11:00 - [49] I can sort of see where these Icelandic dudes are coming from, but you have to understand that if CCP now decides to give Icelandic people cheaper GTC's, those GTC's might actually end up being sold on for profit? You only need one rotten apple trying to take advantage, you see? So I can sort of see where CCP is coming from too.
Carthas Kei	Posted - 2008.10.15 09:14:00 - [50] CCP does not even respond to topics like this. Which only proves a point.
Estel Arador Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.15 10:07:00 - [51] Originally by: Somal Thunder but I'm learning economics here (ironic, isn't it?) It certainly is ironic, since you apparently have no idea why CCP wouldn't want your ISK even if your following statement were true: Originally by: Somal Thunder They pay for a big part of their expenses in ISK anyways. Of course you've figured out it isn't true from the way I phrased my previous sentence. You seem to ignore CCP's employees in the U.S., U.K., and elsewhere as well as all the expenses for the cluster such as the hardware and the energy bill.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.10.15 10:21:00 - [52] Originally by: Akita T Hey, look, you COULD have joined the EU already, but you didn't. You COULD have adopted the Euro, but you didn't. CCP could charge you in ISK instead of EUR, but it won't. End of story. Quoting an epic slam. As I recall, the Icelandic opinion was 'lol our economy is so awesome, we don't need the EU' I'd bet good money that the Icelandic attitude towards the EU has changed drastically recently. Fail fail fail. -- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Wragdis	Posted - 2008.10.15 10:46:00 - [53] Originally by: Brigsby5987 Quote: Will it suck? Yes. Will playing eve be one of the main things on my mind? No. Get your priorities straight and look at leaving iceland before it gets worse, rather then worrying about how you will play eve. This is the stupidest post anyone has made. I find Brigsby's attitude disgusting. The OP makes a fair comment and The moron says leave your country.
Flash Bombardo Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.15 11:20:00 - [54] I agree with the OP, sort yourselves out CCP and charge them in the local currency !
Eran Laude Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.10.15 11:30:00 - [55] Originally by: Flash Bombardo I agree with the OP, sort yourselves out CCP and charge them in the local currency ! If I can't pay in pounds - a major global currency which is hugely stronger than the Krona - because the servers are located in London, then what chance do the Icelanders have of paying in ISK - an unknown currency used by 300,000 people on an island in the middle of nowhere - because CCP's HQ is located in Iceland?
Jagadai Bator Amarr Veyr	Posted - 2008.10.15 11:38:00 - [56] Edited by: Jagadai Bator on 15/10/2008 11:41:55 Gah! you claim to be studying economics? I should move to a better college or actually go to a few lectures mate You want a company to lower its costs so you can continue to use its products. Fail. What are the origins of the current Icelandic economic plight? - leverage. Institutions buying assets with credit which left them cronically over-extended come the crunch. You are asking to do the same thing. If you cant afford to pay your subscription, stop playing and save your money for essentials rather than frittering it away on luxuries. What ever happened to living within your means? Why, when I were a lad and I wanted a new stick or pet dead rat, I had to feckin' save up my monthly penny until I could afford it.... Edit: sausage finger typing
Banana Torres Look Ma I did a Test	Posted - 2008.10.15 11:45:00 - [57] How much would I get for 1500 kr=nur? Would it get me a fair go with an Icelanderish hoor when I am at the fanfest?
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.10.15 11:54:00 - [58] Originally by: Banana Torres How much would I get for 1500 kr=nur? Would it get me a fair go with an Icelanderish hoor when I am at the fanfest? 9 bucks ? Under 7 euro ? You'd be lucky if it gets you a couple of beers Or maybe a pack of ciggies _ VOTE YES TO SKILL QUEUE NOW !!! \|\| Mission reward revamp \|\| better nanofix
Inara Dex	Posted - 2008.10.15 11:56:00 - [59] Edited by: Inara Dex on 15/10/2008 11:55:54 ehh?
Mr Manjuice	Posted - 2008.10.15 11:57:00 - [60] If Korona gets devalued any more, maybe isk will become you new currency.
midge Mo'yb Antares Shipyards Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.10.15 11:57:00 - [61] lol, if they sell gtc cheap in iceland some prat will just buy em up, add a bit extra an resell them on ebay and make some moneys... -----------------------------------------------
Steini OFSI Gallente The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.10.15 11:58:00 - [62] Edited by: Steini OFSI on 15/10/2008 12:00:07 Originally by: Vaal Erit Originally by: Akita T Hey, look, you COULD have joined the EU already, but you didn't. You COULD have adopted the Euro, but you didn't. CCP could charge you in ISK instead of EUR, but it won't. End of story. Quoting an epic slam. As I recall, the Icelandic opinion was 'lol our economy is so awesome, we don't need the EU' I'd bet good money that the Icelandic attitude towards the EU has changed drastically recently. Fail fail fail. Alot of negative things have been said about Iceland recently, but I'd like to point out that we are not the only ones having problems, however our problems are more severe because the banks were allowed to grow beyond what our low population could support. Many banks and financial institutions are collapsing like rows of dominos, however the effect is not as severe because they only count as a portion of the national revenue/expense. When we joined european economic union (EEU? I get lost in these because of the different shortcuts, the Icelandic one beeing ESB), we allowed free flow of workforce and the ability to create stations of your own corporation in other countries. Icelandic bankers/chairmen/major stockholders, basicly rich people with many porches not the average student/mechanic/doctor whatever part of the society who do a decent job and earnest living (although some middleclassers did buy stocks but never in proportion to have anything to say about the matter), saw an opportunity to increase their companies worth by opening companies abroad. Ofcourse one should've realised that their base of opperation had grown out of proportion of what our government could support if a crisis would/should happen. And actually people probably knew and some of the government officials knew, amd they should've intervened long ago and made rules about financial corporation opperation but sadly our goverment sucks and the people are left to pay for their inability and ****idness (apparantly re-tard is filtered out although the original meaning being tard=slow?), sadly the goverment minority sucks as much so offering us advice to vote differently won't help. And on political notice, we're not the only ones suffering from bad leaders, I'd like to point out that Gordon Brown fell our only standing bank by abusing laws, only trying to save his pathetic political career, thus utterly made it impossible for us to recover or slow the fall of the Krona and allow us to recover, so we could be better able to fulfill our commitments that law abides us to do. And that's not effecting only us but also people in Britain who now suffer for his stupidity. Joining the EU might have made things better, I don't know, but one does not say "hey let's join the EU, get this awesome currency, and not give anything back instead". We want to be indipendent, we want to be in charge of our own fate (** YOU GORDON BROWN) as much as 300k people can, and we want to be able to do anything. Without this mindset EVE would not exist. Do I feel like we should be allowed to pay in Kr=nas, yes I do. CCP was originally made by us, supported by Icelandic companies, tested by Icelanders and is still played mostly by Icelanders if we compare it to national size. ------- I love myself
Jian Gi Caldari Wreckless Abandon G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.10.15 12:00:00 - [63] A lot of valid points but if the following was already brought up, I missed it. The assumption that CCP is an Icelandic company and hence should charge in real ISK is wrong I am afraid. I suppose it is true that CCP is actually making money of this crisis since their income remains constant, assuming that the vast majority of paying customers are eu/us, but their costs have gone down, since they pay their employees in real ISK. The problem is this is that people forget that CCP pays I huge amount of money for IT, bandwidth etc. And these costs are unfortunately not ISK based. So wether they benefited from Iceland's troubles or not has to do with the ratio of their costs in real ISK/(euE or us$)
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.10.15 12:03:00 - [64] Originally by: Steini OFSI Do I feel like we should be allowed to pay in Kr=nas, yes I do. CCP was originally made by us, supported by Icelandic companies, tested by Icelanders and is still played mostly by Icelanders if we compare it to national size. Not so sure about that... How many Icelandic players do you think there are ? You need over 300 to top the list Ok, you MAY top the list, but I'm not 100% sure _ VOTE YES TO SKILL QUEUE NOW !!! \|\| Mission reward revamp \|\| better nanofix
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.10.15 12:05:00 - [65] Originally by: Euriti Edited by: Euriti on 14/10/2008 17:37:58 I'll simplify this for the people who can't grasp it. The islandic currency (Krone) has collapsed and lots most of it's value. Icelandic people have to pay for EVE in euro but get paid in kroner, which means that their cost for playing eve has doubled or tripled compared to before. Enabling them to pay in their own currency will mean that they, relatively to their salary, pay the same as before. Also to the people saying that they want to pay in their currency too, there's a difference, CCP are from iceland and, afaik, pay people in ISK. Yes, some of us get it but that means CCP will be paying for the fact that the Icelandic economy is collapsing. How can that be fair? It's not CCP's fault that the Krona is falling. If anything CCP has been helping keep the currency afloat by drawing in foreign currency. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2008.10.15 12:10:00 - [66] Edited by: Dr Paithos on 15/10/2008 12:11:56 Amazing the sense of entitlement Icelanders have. You want the world to give you whatever you want without ever giving anything back. The Icelandic goverment told the UK it wasn't going to honour its committment to foreign savers, only Icelandic savers, and then is horrified when the assets of the banks are siezed. Well, UK savers may have been foolish enough to believe in your amazing interest rates, but as a wise man said "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me." Icelandic Official admitting foreign creditors will get nothing And then you have the affront to call our politicians liars, while screaming to the world to bail you out...
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.10.15 12:10:00 - [67] Originally by: Somal Thunder Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 14/10/2008 17:52:55 A lot of thigs lately (the GTC change, the ghost training thing, to name but the two most notable recent changes) were made to INCREASE the revenue. You might as well ask for free accounts for people in Iceland out of "patriotism" or somesuch. It's always to increase revenue, but exploiting an entire nation of EVE-Players hardly seems fair! They aren't exploiting you. They are just not (at the moment) helping you out. To exploit someone they have to actively choose to do something new and different. They aren't. They continue to charge you the same fee that they have for many months. The fact that your local currency is losing it's value is not in any way, shape or form CCP's responsibility. As soon as they do that for one local currency they risk being legally required to do it for all currencies. I realise that the Icelandic Krona is in an extreme situation at the moment but you are asking CCP to violate good business sense. I'm sure they share your pain but they didn't cause the problem and shouldn't be held liable. Nor should you expect them to compensate you for something outside of their control. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.10.15 12:25:00 - [68] Originally by: Carthas Kei CCP does not even respond to topics like this. Which only proves a point. Yes. It shows good business sense. You have no right to any company information and CCP cannot trust you to keep your mouth shut if you did get it. Ergo:As with any company they are doing the sensible thing and declining to comment. This is a problem with MMORPGs. The players often develop a sense of family, a sense that they are somehow at the same level as the company providing the service and have the right to interfere with it. That's good in a sense because it encourages a loyal fanbase but it's bad because it's a relationship that cannot ever exist. No company in the world can expose its internal affairs to the public in that way. It would be a disaster. We are not one, large family. We pay our subscription and that gives us access to their server. That's it. You have no right to expect anything more from them and they would be foolish to offer it. Especially in times like these. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Steini OFSI Gallente The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.10.15 12:29:00 - [69] Edited by: Steini OFSI on 15/10/2008 12:33:45 Originally by: Dr Paithos Edited by: Dr Paithos on 15/10/2008 12:11:56 Amazing the sense of entitlement Icelanders have. You want the world to give you whatever you want without ever giving anything back. The Icelandic goverment told the UK it wasn't going to honour its committment to foreign savers, only Icelandic savers, and then is horrified when the assets of the banks are siezed. Well, UK savers may have been foolish enough to believe in your amazing interest rates, but as a wise man said "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me." Icelandic Official admitting foreign creditors will get nothing And then you have the affront to call our politicians liars, while screaming to the world to bail you out... What Davf= Oddson said is stupid, he is forgetting that he is no longer the PM or has the rights to say stuff like that. We are bound to honor legal agreements of 20K euro insurance per persons account for any bank of our nationality operating inside the EEU. Other investors, loaners were in the game to profit and thus needs to accept the risk that comes with that, the integrity of normal account holders and normal savers needs to be saved and it has been and is our intention to try to keep that agreement, that cannot be done with worthless currency or the instability that is going on now, political solutions and agreements need to be made, not the misuse of laws that were specifically made to stop terrorism. We have more than 300 players.. ------- I love myself
Carthas Kei	Posted - 2008.10.15 13:49:00 - [70] Edited by: Carthas Kei on 15/10/2008 13:49:24 Originally by: Vaal Erit Originally by: Akita T Hey, look, you COULD have joined the EU already, but you didn't. You COULD have adopted the Euro, but you didn't. CCP could charge you in ISK instead of EUR, but it won't. End of story. Quoting an epic slam. As I recall, the Icelandic opinion was 'lol our economy is so awesome, we don't need the EU' I'd bet good money that the Icelandic attitude towards the EU has changed drastically recently. Fail fail fail. Your so cool. Do you kick the handicapped and dance on graves as well? Guess you are a politician, their only skill these days seem to be to gloat.
Fresh Prince Aliastra	Posted - 2008.10.15 13:52:00 - [71] Originally by: Na'Thuul Edited by: Na''Thuul on 14/10/2008 18:19:42 Edited by: Na''Thuul on 14/10/2008 18:18:43 Originally by: Somal Thunder Originally by: Na'Thuul Iceland should start talking to the Norwegian government about coming back home. Most Icelanders are of Norwegian descent anyways =) We has oil and monies! Don't forget the Irish monks!! No but seriously, you guys should've helped us when we sent out our economical "S.O.S." This must prove that Russians are better than Norwegians in some way. Originally by: Quanteeri Icelanders should be able to pay at the CCP office. Agreed! Actually it just shows Russia has a hidden agenda. Don't think for a second Putin helps anyone out of charity. Anyways, we ARE helping. Your central bank just got 200 million euros from us, with the option to get another 300 million at any time if needed A good gesture but around 1/20th of what is needed. I agree though that my inept government should get off its fat stupid ass and talk to someone else then the criminal IMF and K.G.B Russia. Trust me, Icelanders are more afraid of their own politicians/vetenarians then they are of Russia and the IMF.
Fresh Prince Aliastra	Posted - 2008.10.15 13:54:00 - [72] Originally by: Na'Thuul Well, just to clarify, our government said from they start they were more than happy to help, but only if the Icelandic government asked for it. To quote "Iceland has to define what they need, and talk to us. I do not believe it will do any good if we were to come barging in with money telling the Icelanders what to do." Personally i would welcome it if Norway would come barging in with money and would not only tell the us what to do, but made sure we did it. If looked deep enough then Iceland is as corrupt as Somalia.
Fresh Prince Aliastra	Posted - 2008.10.15 14:14:00 - [73] Originally by: Megan Maynard However, killing a good amount of the profit from a company is never a good practice, and neither is going into panic mode.quote] If you mean that giving a couple of percent of the player base chance to buy GTC¦s in their own currency they face a large decrease in profit...well then they are up shit creek. Frankly i have grown veary of CCP and its "no-answer is a good answer" policy.
Piper Halliwell Minmatar Phantom Squad Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.10.15 14:23:00 - [74] Edited by: Piper Halliwell on 15/10/2008 14:24:06 I think it is kinda funny that all the people over the past months (since removal of the 30 and 90 day GTC's) from all over (Iceland included) where making fun of the crappy US dollar and now, all of the sudden, your Krona falls and everyone is supposed to hold hands and sing kumbaya for you? Tough **ing shit! I hope that the Euro follows suit. It is called karma, ain't it a *? edited: typographical errors and more ing and ***es added -------------------- You've got a gun, I've got a gun, Let's write a tragic ending.
Somal Thunder Intergalactic Peace Organization	Posted - 2008.10.15 15:11:00 - [75] Originally by: midge Mo'yb lol, if they sell gtc cheap in iceland some prat will just buy em up, add a bit extra an resell them on ebay and make some moneys... We're not talking about GTC, we're talking about game time. Game time that you buy over the internet using an Icelandic Visa or MasterCard. You can't re-sell your time if you've already added it to your account. I'd say this is something to be experimented with. I have, for a long time, predicted the collapse of our economy (although I do admit I didn't think it'd be so very sudden). Most of my money is in euros, but that doesn't change the fact that the money I make on a day-to-day basis is paid in Icelandic Kr=na, and I simply can't afford to pay for multiple accounts when it's like this. This is why I only have one account, and this is why I made a wise decision. Unfortunately, most of the people I know have multiple accounts, and some people start playing the game with the necessity of having two accounts. Maybe CCP could take a step towards humanity, and away from chauvinist capitalism, and let us subscribe in ISK, even though it'd only last for a trial period.
Estel Arador Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.15 15:50:00 - [76] Originally by: Somal Thunder Maybe CCP could take a step towards humanity, and away from chauvinist capitalism, and let us subscribe in ISK, even though it'd only last for a trial period. You still fail to give any reason at all why it would make sense for CCP to lower their prices (because that's what you're asking them to do) just because you can't afford to play anymore. What about all the other people elsewhere who are faced with an economic downturn? What about people who couldn't afford to play before? And why, in the Flying Spaghettimonster's name, would any company in these difficult times start to accept a currency which is plummeting like a rock?
Gridwalker Amarr Divine Power	Posted - 2008.10.15 15:51:00 - [77] The priorities of Icelanders are all screwed up. EVE is a game. It is a luxury. You should be worried about keeping your homes, heat for the winter, and providing food for yourself, instead of what is happening with your Internet spaceships. Besides, why can't you folks use EVE ISK instead of RL ISK to get your timecards? A week or so of ratting in 0.0 should be able to cover an account for what... a year? Maybe some of you folks should get together and figure out how to coordinate an Icelander EVE "bailout" of sorts and help yourselves, instead of demanding that other people help pay your way for you. -Grid
Kurt Gergard Caldari Custodes Mandati Imperii	Posted - 2008.10.15 16:42:00 - [78] Originally by: Col Carter Originally by: Somal Thunder By joining the EU we would have to surrender all our fish. If we can't export fish, the country can no longer import products, causing dramatic inflation. We would be worse set off (although GTC's would be peanuts for us) Completely incorrect. Have a look at Denmark's membership agreements, while on a base level there are a lot of things which cannot be deviated from as an EU member, there is a multitude of options available for countries to be a member and retain control over vital aspects of their society or economics. A briefing was provided to your cabinet on these matters two days ago, by now I would have thought some smart politicians and entrepreneurs to recognise the potential of EU membership without having to, err, give up the fish. Utter nonsense Polish fishermen strugle due to EU fishing limits so please stop the propaganda ================================================ "No plan has ever survived the contact with the enemy" von Moltke
Steini OFSI Gallente The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.10.15 16:52:00 - [79] Originally by: Gridwalker The priorities of Icelanders are all screwed up. EVE is a game. It is a luxury. You should be worried about keeping your homes, heat for the winter, and providing food for yourself, instead of what is happening with your Internet spaceships. We already got houses, heat and food sorted, we have fish and geothermal heat. ------- I love myself
Choken1	Posted - 2008.10.15 16:53:00 - [80] 1 point that as been said a few times. it may have been corrected already but. ccp pays in euros. not isk. also I would like to point out that almost half of the icelandic population voted for going into the EU. But the political parties decided to be greedy and tried to keep on going with a broken economic machine. So for you "I told you so" gloaters out there try to understand your only talking to about half of our population. I for one intend to move away from this corruption and hopefully I'll be able to pay for my eve accounts soon in real currency. CCP shouldn't have to offer us anything. It would be good if they did but I agree that we shouldn't get any special treatment just cause we kept the company afloat through its hardest time. Icelanders will just have to put their accounts on hold (I have already done this) and hope they can get a reasonable price at some point in the future.
Adam Slysphere	Posted - 2008.10.15 17:11:00 - [81] Pretty sure CCP contacts their billing out to a third party and don't really decide how the funds are paid and in what currency... In order to make you guys happy they'd have to completely change their billing procedures and/or find another company to handle their billing. That's a lot of added expense to the company to handle a, more than likely, small minority of players. Sorry your economy sucks, but this stuff happens ...
Gibmundur Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Resurgency	Posted - 2008.10.16 16:37:00 - [82] Kostar 60 daga gtc ekki 3500 kall ·tf b·=? Og ¦· segir a= 1500 kall sT sanngjart ver= ß mßnu=i? munar heilum 250 kalli ß mßnu=i 8) +g man ¦ß tf= a= eve kosta=i undir 1000 kalli ß shattered crystal. kibb
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.10.16 16:53:00 - [83] I donÆt mean to be an ass but last time I checked the value of the Krona was pretty bad, 1 ISK = 0.007 EURO according to Google Finance. So if we went by currency value, you want to play eve for a 1.05 EURO a month. From a companies point of view can you see how ridiculously unfeasible that is? -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Dr Axler The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.16 17:01:00 - [84] what i have been using as an advantage comes as a problem to you...never thought about it... i used to pay for my eve game time with a credit card. 15 euro a month. then i realized that they charge Americans 15 dollars. and that made no sense, dont they know that the dollar and euro ratio is not 1:1? well, i found it strange and bought a 30 dollar gametime card for 60 days and paid 20 euros for it which lowered my one month to 10 euros...hurray! on a side note, if anyone wants to know a funny story on the subject: CCP solved the problem of isk farmers very nicely. most mmos have a debate, should we ban them or not? they destroy the economy but they pay the monthly fee. eve does not ban them, but they do delete all the isk the players purchase from them. now this is a very good system as everyone keeps paying their subscriptions more and more. smart move from ccp, they tricked everybody. here is how you trick them back :) buy money from the isk farmers and then buy game time cards with the bought isk. that is the cheapest way to play eve. the only thing is you pour lads form island would have to get the farmers to charge you in your krona or you would have the same problem ;) although you dont really trick ccp, they still get the money from the game time card, the one who draws the short straw is the guy who sold the game time card as the isk he got for it will probably be deleted...oh well _________________________________________________ "nerf rock, paper is working as intended." - Scissors
Mhaerdirne Solveig Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.16 17:15:00 - [85] they should offer the krona rate only to those who show up in person at the office to pay for the account and have icelandic addresses :) Signature removed. Text is showing as "Signature no longer available" and filesize is well in excess of the allowed 400 x 120 pixels. Navigator
Titus Vulso Amarr Minbari Research Institute	Posted - 2008.10.16 17:23:00 - [86] What about our poor Zimbabwean pod pilots?
Shard Merchant Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.16 17:35:00 - [87] You're essentially asking for them to put nationalism before money. Unfortunately for you, CCP probably consists of more non-Icelanders than Icelanders. The only way they'd do this is if the number of subscriptions in Iceland suddenly paying a fraction of what they were wouldn't hurt their bottom line. _______________________________________________ CCP CENSORSHIP ALERT: CAN YOU SPOT IT?
DaDutchDude Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.10.16 18:12:00 - [88] Edited by: DaDutchDude on 16/10/2008 18:15:26 Listen, I seriously feel for people who have been hit by this economic crisis, and I know Iceland has been hit hard. I hope your economy recovers and you work with all other countries to reform the international economic systems, and I know many countries around the world (including my own) will be supporting your economy with that goal. However, it sounds to me you're not just asking for a hand-out, you're demanding it, and that kinda **es me off. Many people around the world get hit by all sorts of adversities and have dealt with it, but you have the nerve to demand a hand-out because the company that produces this game is based in your country? And you get **ed off at CCP about your adversities? Look at your leaders for an explanation, and be angry at them, since they failed to realize the risky situation your economy has been in and/or act on it, while of course taking credit for the good years it has brought your economy. Be angry at the unregulated and unchecked greed of many people, not just of bank managers but also the people who took loans out they couldn't afford and who invested in risky investment products without really understanding them, expecting others like me to finally pick up the checks. I know I am and many others are too. On the flip side, be grateful to all CCP customers for pumping money in your economy through this game and to CCP for staying in Iceland despite this economic trouble. CCP is first and foremost a company that has to make money for its owners, be it private or public, and has no responsibility in this economic crisis. Without the tax revenue that is deposited by CCP in the Icelandic government bank accounts and the jobs they provide directly and indirectly to the Icelandic people, you'd be worse of. Don't expect me, other players or CCP owners to pick up the check for you wanting to play a game, which is a luxury really, and not something you are in any way or shape entitled to. Take responsibility for your own financial position and put blame where it is due, but don't expect others to come wipe your butt after you're done taking a dump: that's what being a grown-up is all about.
Aloriana Jacques Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.10.16 18:22:00 - [89] No. By your statements, you demand that CCP offer the game in your own curency. That, good sir, is bullshit! If they did that for you, then everyone else would complain that it's not in their own local currency. I'm Canadian and am forced to pay in USD. Get over it. I'm sorry your dollar has dropped in value, but if you really don't like it then do something about your own personal living conditions. Don't go demanding that companies change how they work just because things changed and affected you, not them. - - - Aloriana Jacques - Skill Sheet
Gibmundur Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Resurgency	Posted - 2008.10.16 18:57:00 - [90] Last time i checked(some time ago) ccp was owned by none other then the scumbag that used to own Landsbanki.(Yes i hate bankers) so i doubt very much ccp cares. kibb
Thorkell	Posted - 2008.10.17 17:08:00 - [91] Sammßla, I Agree!
Eshezo Old Buggers	Posted - 2008.10.17 17:21:00 - [92] OK, if CCP did what your asking you would have GTC available on the web in Icelandic currency, Hmmmm lets think about that for a minute. I buy a GTC in US dollars at the moment and suddenly I find I could buy it in Krona with my credit card and then when I get the bill it would be the reverse and my GTC would be alot cheaper than if I had bought in Dollars. As many people have said , it's unfortunate that the exchange rate is not in your favour at the moment but it's not CCP's fault and they could possibly do it. Not to say I'm not sympathetic to your situation but I think it's unrealstic. rgds Eshezo
Ji Sama Caldari Department of Defence	Posted - 2008.10.17 17:46:00 - [93] While it wouldnt be FAIR to let islµndinge (people from iceland) pay in their devalued kroner, i would say GO for it. show support to iceland, even though its their own fault that they are where they are! You should never have left us, see where you are now..... And lastly dont forget to check out the link in my signature.. "the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play
royal killer Amarr Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2008.10.17 18:13:00 - [94] ¦etta er or=i= bara allt of fßrßnlegtog ¦a= ÷murlega er a= ¦a= er ekkert miki= vi= ¦essu a= gera English: We're screwed. -------------------- ding ding! Wrangler: Hello and w ding ding! Wrangler: ...damn nanowhiners.
Sydonis Caldari Freelance Intelligence Agency	Posted - 2008.10.17 19:21:00 - [95] Speaking as a Brit here... /signed If CCP are paying wages in (RL) ISK, they could just as well charge the locals in the same... even if they just ask you to drop by and pay in cash once a month - they could use that cash to pay for the usual consumables like coffee, milk etc that an office uses... (Not sure how big Iceland is, so not sure how feasable that is, but I'm thinking that CCP will want to avoid using an Icelandic bank for a while, could be wrong though). Supporting the locals could be good PR for CCP though... I'm still disappointed in the Icelandic bank's decision to freeze the UK accounts (not least the charities who can't access their money) and the subsequent (and typically bully-boy) behaviour from Brown. I know he was looking to safeguard UK citizens, but using anti-terror legislation scares me - especially now they're asking for permission to monitor ALL internet traffic... they just proved me that they can't be trusted ffs. Don't worry guys, not all of use hate the Icelanders... I think I hate Brown far more... I, personally, don't recognise him as our leader until he's faced an election as a potential PM... he just backstabbed Blair (who I respected a bit) until he got power.
Walter Model Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.10.18 00:51:00 - [96] Please CCP. Can we Icelanders pay our accounts and Fanfest ticket with Icelandic Krona? It¦s getting out of control. I used to pay my two accounts for 2000 kr. Now it¦s 4000 kr. Fan fest ticket was 5500 kr year ago. Now it¦s 8500 kr. _______________________________________________ "If the tanks succeed, then victory follows.", Guderian, 1937.
Xavier Zedicus Zardoz Incorporated	Posted - 2008.10.18 01:29:00 - [97] how awesome would it be if ccp did this and as a direct result the Icelandic currency righted itself. All thanks to CCP. awesome. p.s.
Ragon Minmatar Depleted Uranium	Posted - 2008.10.18 10:27:00 - [98] Originally by: Walter Model Please CCP. Can we Icelanders pay our accounts and Fanfest ticket with Icelandic Krona? It¦s getting out of control. I used to pay my two accounts for 2000 kr. Now it¦s 4000 kr. Fan fest ticket was 5500 kr year ago. Now it¦s 8500 kr. It would be nice if we could buy the Fan Fest ticket with KR, the price is too high in $ atm. ------------------------------------------- Member of 3FA
Tappits Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.18 11:08:00 - [99] Originally by: Somal Thunder No, we do note blame CCP for anything, except not charging us in the local currency. How would you Americans like it if all car rentals only let you rent your cars with euros, and your dollar collapsed? You'd probably be pretty ****ed. Just to let you in on something... people from the uk (me) have to pay for eve in $$$ (GTC) or euros (With CC) we cannot pay with úúú pounds (the uk money) and in the past year it now costs more because Pounds(ú) are worthless and euros cost more than thay did. do you see us people from the UK posting topics about this? no why? because theres no point, we know the uk sucks and we just get on with it, so why dont you? ---------------------------------------------- Pro BOB????? I fail At forums
Kur'Dekaija The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.18 13:09:00 - [100] Originally by: Tappits Originally by: Somal Thunder No, we do note blame CCP for anything, except not charging us in the local currency. How would you Americans like it if all car rentals only let you rent your cars with euros, and your dollar collapsed? You'd probably be pretty ****ed. Just to let you in on something... people from the uk (me) have to pay for eve in $$$ (GTC) or euros (With CC) we cannot pay with úúú pounds (the uk money) and in the past year it now costs more because Pounds(ú) are worthless and euros cost more than thay did. do you see us people from the UK posting topics about this? no why? because theres no point, we know the uk sucks and we just get on with it, so why dont you? cuz we can throw eggs at CCP HQ.... allow me to pay in KR or Ill do it!!!!!!!!! I warn you, I got old eggs in my fridge!!
j0rt Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.21 18:27:00 - [101] This thread is ridiculous. The only person in the entire thread who isn't acting like a brainless ****posting 12 year old is the OP. CCP is based in Iceland and therefore some of their expenses are in Icelandic Kr=na. Now the local currency in Iceland has plummeted and CCP are almost untouched by it because their income is in foreign currency. Us Icelandic Eve players are paying ridiculous amounts of money for playing Eve, just because this Icelandic MMO company is charging Icelandic players in an incredibly expensive foreign currency. Surely there is reason to implement some way for Iceland residents to pay for gametime in the local currency, so our wallets aren't being slaughtered just by having a few Eve accounts.
Karille Gallente Lordless	Posted - 2008.11.21 18:56:00 - [102] I'm going to go out on a limb and say SITFU.
Kalintos Tyl Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.21 19:08:00 - [103] better ask why usa players pays cheaper than europeans.
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2008.11.21 19:14:00 - [104] Originally by: j0rt This thread is ridiculous. The only person in the entire thread who isn't acting like a brainless ****posting 12 year old is the OP. CCP is based in Iceland and therefore some of their expenses are in Icelandic Kr=na. Now the local currency in Iceland has plummeted and CCP are almost untouched by it because their income is in foreign currency. Us Icelandic Eve players are paying ridiculous amounts of money for playing Eve, just because this Icelandic MMO company is charging Icelandic players in an incredibly expensive foreign currency. Surely there is reason to implement some way for Iceland residents to pay for gametime in the local currency, so our wallets aren't being slaughtered just by having a few Eve accounts. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you just have one or more years of cheap EVE thanks to a weak dollar vs a strong krona? Where were the threads of "we want to support CCP, let us pay in krona!" at that time?
oilio Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.11.21 20:15:00 - [105] Originally by: Somal Thunder We, the Icelandic EVE-Online players, have decided to take this as a sign that CCP is effectively giving us the (middle) finger... ...price we are being charge is equivalent to a blow in the nuts towards our wallets. CCP giving their customers the middle finger? Surely not! I mean... CCP NEVER give the middle finger to their playerbase... ...well, except for the T20 business... ...and the 60 day GTC thing... ...and the removal of the "Ghost Training" "Bug/exploit"... ...and the boot.ini business... Asking CCP not to rip you off is like asking a skunk not to stink. IT'S WHAT THEY DO! Anyway, signing in support of the OP - for what good that will do.
Adamant Stehl State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.11.21 20:21:00 - [106] / signed!! CCP support your home-base!!! Before all else, be armed. Niccolo Machiavelli

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2008.11.21 20:49:00 - [107] Edited by: CCP Explorer on 21/11/2008 20:54:46 Edited by: CCP Explorer on 21/11/2008 20:52:34 Originally by: Somal Thunder Originally by: Dizeezer Velar CCP is a global company, they charge in euros or usd just like other global companies. Just because they originated in iceland doesn't mean they are a local company. Their wanting people to pay in euros is not outrageous or unreasonable. Most global companies actually charge their product based on where it is manufactured or where the service is provided. Hertz in America will charge you in dollars, Hertz in Germany will charge you in euros. Seeing as CCP does most of the actual developing in Iceland, I think it's only fair that they show the home team some support and let people pay for the game in the currency they use in most of their expenses. The last sentence is where your logic unfortunately falls apart. The vast majority of CCP's expenses are in USD and EUR, not ISK. Normally I only comment on software related issues on the forums, but this is local stuff so I'm going to make an exception. Tranquility is in London, UK, and operating a big, internetworked computer cluster is really expensive. We have offices in Atlanta, USA, and Shanghai, China. We outsource a lot of our projects to companies all over the world, such as Germany, the Czech Republic and China. We buy a lot of the technology we use from companies all over the world, such as Australia, Canada and the USA. Most of our expenses are not in ISK, and we really can't take the blame for the financial situation in Iceland or the devaluation of the kr=na. As CCP's CEO pointed out in his recent devblog, then CCP is fortunate enough to be well isolated from the current banking crisis. To the OP: I feel your pain, I live here too.

Gnomes Rock	Posted - 2008.11.21 21:16:00 - [108] Originally by: Sydonis Speaking as a Brit here... /signed If CCP are paying wages in (RL) ISK, they could just as well charge the locals in the same... even if they just ask you to drop by and pay in cash once a month - they could use that cash to pay for the usual consumables like coffee, milk etc that an office uses... (Not sure how big Iceland is, so not sure how feasable that is, but I'm thinking that CCP will want to avoid using an Icelandic bank for a while, could be wrong though). Supporting the locals could be good PR for CCP though... I'm still disappointed in the Icelandic bank's decision to freeze the UK accounts (not least the charities who can't access their money) and the subsequent (and typically bully-boy) behaviour from Brown. I know he was looking to safeguard UK citizens, but using anti-terror legislation scares me - especially now they're asking for permission to monitor ALL internet traffic... they just proved me that they can't be trusted ffs. Don't worry guys, not all of use hate the Icelanders... I think I hate Brown far more... I, personally, don't recognise him as our leader until he's faced an election as a potential PM... he just backstabbed Blair (who I respected a bit) until he got power. Awesome, I personally would love to have to deal with 3000+ people constantly coming into the CCP headquarters to renew their gametime if I were an CCP employee. That wouldn't be a nightmare at all.
Guth Fatalix Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.21 21:27:00 - [109] Please charge the userbase for time codes in ISK. For us elsewhere, that just means our monthly costs just get cheaper and cheaper!
Elaron Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.11.21 21:56:00 - [110] Originally by: oilio Asking CCP not to rip you off is like asking a skunk not to stink. If you feel CCP doesn't give you value for money with EVE, why are you still subscribed?
Skidd Chung Caldari Euphoria Released	Posted - 2008.11.21 22:43:00 - [111] Sorry to hear the real ISK has lost it's value. I'm gonna be the devil here and ask if the EVE isk is worth more to you now? Unfortunately asking CCP to lower the GTC price to the exact value of ISK before the economy crashed is just not logical. By doing so they are changing course to head down with the economy. Again sorry to hear the economy of your country crashed, happen to mine before and took years to recover, but stronger now and will probably ride this one out without capitulating.
Kuranta Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.11.21 23:08:00 - [112] Originally by: Akita T Oh, hey, yeah, listen, I'm from Whereverthehellistan, and our national coin also suffered a big nosedive. We ALSO demand that CCP starts chargin us in OUR local currency at the prices we used to pay a year ago. Thank you for understanding. This tbh. The situation in Iceland (and the whole world for that matter) is unfortunate But even when living in Iceland, you are not special.
oilio Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.11.21 23:35:00 - [113] Originally by: Elaron Originally by: oilio Asking CCP not to rip you off is like asking a skunk not to stink. If you feel CCP doesn't give you value for money with EVE, why are you still subscribed? Cancelled Will be suspended 27/12/2008 Just waiting for sub to run out
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2008.11.21 23:38:00 - [114] Originally by: oilio Cancelled Will be suspended 27/12/2008 Just waiting for sub to run out Can I have a christmas present of all your stuff?
Troye Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.11.21 23:43:00 - [115] Originally by: oilio Originally by: Elaron Cancelled Will be suspended 27/12/2008 Just waiting for sub to run out Grats, good luck finding a game that lets you paye in Krona...
Troye Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.11.21 23:51:00 - [116] Originally by: Sydonis I'm still disappointed in the Icelandic bank's decision to freeze the UK accounts (not least the charities who can't access their money). Not to mention my my University (Aberystwyth) which is down 4 million pounds this year thanks to Iceland freezing UK accounts, Brown did what any Icelander would have done for Iceland, people just scream at the injustice of it because the UKs a richer country, even though right now its as ****ed as the rest of the world. _______________________________________
oilio Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.11.22 01:14:00 - [117] No, you can't have my stuff, Chaos Maybe CCP's overall service and approach will improve - in which case I might come back. I am not looking for a company that allows me to pay in Krona, I won't be playing any other MMORPG until jumpgate comes out. The only other MMORPG I would play is eve, but I'm not prepared to pay CCP as they are now. I'll just play stuff like Team Fortress and America's Army - stuff that doesn't require a regular subscription.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.11.22 01:45:00 - [118] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 22/11/2008 01:46:56 I'd rather buy gametime with Kronenbourg. Linkage Fetchez la vache !
Karasuma Akane Dirty Sexy Pilots	Posted - 2008.11.22 03:35:00 - [119] Originally by: Mhaerdirne Solveig they should offer the krona rate only to those who show up in person at the office to pay for the account and have icelandic addresses :) Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn I'd rather buy gametime with Kronenbourg. Linkage I'm sure that if Icelanders showed up at the CCP offices to pay for their accounts with alcohol, some sort of deal could be worked out. ---------- "annoyed trit bars can deliver quite an income" Originally by: Richard Phallus Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas damn spies. Damn counter intelligence officers.
Zaptwig	Posted - 2008.11.22 04:33:00 - [120] Explorer speaks the truth. If the going rate for one month of game time is $15 USD, its $15 USD. If your country's currency has devalued, bad luck. Asking for the price to be 'fair' shows a serious misunderstanding of global economics. If you want to pay for your gametime in Kroner, CCP will STILL charge you the equivalent of $15 USD (at current exchange rates approx. 2,916.20 ISK). Either way, YOU ARE PAYING THE SAME AMOUNT! Look at it from CCP's perspective: if they charge you 1500 ISK like you're asking, they're effectively charging you $7.72 for the same service the rest of us pay $15 for. I live in Australia: what you're asking for is the equivalent of me saying 'I should be able to pay $15 AUD/month to play', when $15 AUD = $9.25 USD. Would it be awesome for me to get cheap EVE? Of course. Is it fair to charge people by their national currency? That's irrelevant. Does it make any kind of business sense to charge me, or the OP, less than other customers? You work it out. tl;dr: global financial crises suck. Deal with it.
Tac Ginaz Gallente Coalition of Nations	Posted - 2008.11.22 05:58:00 - [121] I've said it in other forums and I'll say it here. The solution to Iceland's problems is to simply lower your population so the Krona becomes more valuable by encouraging emigration so that these emigrants set up jobs and their own businesses overseas and send foreign currency back to Iceland. This is called Remittance. It has helped a lot of other countries stay afloat in the worst economical crises and even prosper. To that end, I strongly suggest you do so by encouraging all the hot blue eyed blond babes you have locked away for so long to find a husband overseas and have her send a stipend to her home country. I, for one, volunteer to assist one of them on this. (seriously though, I do hope your situation gets better. Its getting hard here in the USA and coming from a 3rd world country myself I do know what you guys are going through. But asking CCP to lose money to keep what is probably a small percentage of its playerbase is not a good business decision.) ------------------------------------------------- Re-Design Stealth Bomber Weapons!
EnslaverOfMinmatar Yarsk Hunters DeaDSpace Coalition	Posted - 2008.11.22 06:58:00 - [122] So are you saying that if CCP was based in Zimbabwe they should charge in Zimbabwean dollars and go bankrupt? uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ
Ris Dnalor Minmatar Ex Cruoris Libertas	Posted - 2008.11.22 07:05:00 - [123] well seeing as how the US gets to pay with it's own currency, and when the US Dollar collapsed we didn't suddenly see our prices go up... One would think that while the Icelandic population is certainly smaller than the U.S. population, that CCP could still give their home country the same benefit they give to US citizens.... .. but apparently that's not the case?
Scott Ryder Galactic Extensive Enterprises	Posted - 2008.11.22 09:26:00 - [124] Have you ever considered the obvius? Buying ingame gtcs with (eve)isk. Do you know how easy it is to maintain a 300 mil per month profit?
SniperWo1f Omega Enterprises 0mega Factor	Posted - 2008.11.22 09:29:00 - [125] maybe get a bunch of iclandic eve players together and plead your case to ccp maybe they might help you out and give a better rate for dirrect krona subscriptions or some such .
j0rt Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.22 09:37:00 - [126] CCP Explorer why do Iceland residents have to pay CCP in euros? You're based here, a sizable part of your staff are Icelandic and you charge us locals in foreign currency? This is like going to the store to get some shark and black death for breakfast and your Icelandic funnymoney is no good to the store guy, he only accepts dollars I have no problem with paying for an MMO, it's just how things work. But it used to be 1200 kr per account (15$), now it's 2700kr per account (15 euros). 3 accounts are bleeding my poor wallet
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.11.22 10:02:00 - [127] Originally by: Sprawdzacz LOL most of young ppl in my country have to work 1 day ( 8 hours ) for 30d gtc ;] In USA its only how many? 2 hours ( if you work in mcdonald;d )?! Not exactly. In the US, minimum wage in some places is between $5 and $6. Some states don't even HAVE a minimum wage. Of course, almost nobody makes minimum wage and if they do it's not beyond an initial first 30 days. But, at any rate, if you were to figure $6/hr -25% taxes, you are looking at 7.77hrs of work after taxes to pay for a $35 60day time code. Now, for a lot of people that seems like nothing. I suspect, however, that if you're only earning about $6/hr, one day worth of pay going toward a game or something is a SIGNIFICANT chunk of your income. Quote: And you are complaining because of what? That GTC dont cost like can of coke for you ?:D I feel bad for people in those situations. If I woke up tomorrow and EVE went from $15 USD to $45 USD, I would be extremely upset. So I'm not going to sit around and laugh at someone else in such a situation. A lot of people will say "well, your economy has adjusted and blah blah blah so it's exactly as fair as everywhere else", but that's kind of ridiculous. If I'm paying three times as much for a product, but not earning three times as much, then I am paying significantly more. I'm not sure when we started treating products this way (like videogames which are $60 USD in the US but like $120 USD in the UK). I remember when things like books had specific prices that ere completely different in each country (US, CANADA, UK) and seemed to be somewhat varied beyond simply saying "$50 USD == $100 CAD == $25 GBP".
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.11.22 10:05:00 - [128] Originally by: Tac Ginaz To that end, I strongly suggest you do so by encouraging all the hot blue eyed blond babes you have locked away for so long to find a husband overseas and have her send a stipend to her home country. I, for one, volunteer to assist one of them on this. ^^THIS^^ If you send me your smoking hot Icelandic sister or daughter (age appropriate of course!), I will personally pull out my credit card and pay for your half-dozen accounts indefinitely. :)
Zaptwig	Posted - 2008.11.22 10:15:00 - [129] Originally by: j0rt CCP Explorer why do Iceland residents have to pay CCP in euros? The currency you pay in is irrelevant. Originally by: j0rt I have no problem with paying for an MMO, it's just how things work. But it used to be 1200 kr per account (15$), now it's 2700kr per account (15 euros). It doesn't matter if you pay in US dollars, euros, kroner, moon cheese: it will still be 15$ to play EVE for a month. The fact that 15$ is more expensive for Iceland is irrelevant as far as CCP or any business is concerned. Dont't blame CCP. Blame capitalism and globalisation. Originally by: j0rt 3 accounts are bleeding my poor wallet If the financial situation in Iceland is that bad, I have a solution for all your woes: STOP PLAYING FFS!!!1!1one
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2008.11.22 11:24:00 - [130] I feel for you guys, really. But the economy of the whole world is going to a low point, with negative BNP coming already next year for most countries. This means we all have to lower our luxury-purchases. EVE is a luxury, and while the GTC price has only gone up 20% or so against my currency (SEK->EUR), so I can still afford this luxury, maybe it's just a fact that you guys can't afford that luxury right now? The currencies will hopefully stabilize during next year and regain some of its lost value making EVE affordable for you guys again.
j0rt Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.22 11:27:00 - [131] Originally by: Zaptwig Originally by: j0rt CCP Explorer why do Iceland residents have to pay CCP in euros? The currency you pay in is irrelevant. Originally by: j0rt I have no problem with paying for an MMO, it's just how things work. But it used to be 1200 kr per account (15$), now it's 2700kr per account (15 euros). It doesn't matter if you pay in US dollars, euros, kroner, moon cheese: it will still be 15$ to play EVE for a month. The fact that 15$ is more expensive for Iceland is irrelevant as far as CCP or any business is concerned. Dont't blame CCP. Blame capitalism and globalisation. Originally by: j0rt 3 accounts are bleeding my poor wallet If the financial situation in Iceland is that bad, I have a solution for all your woes: STOP PLAYING FFS!!!1!1one 1) I pay 15 euros, not 15 dollars. Get it right. 2) Did you spend even 1 second thinking about this obvious troll post? 3) Let's see how much you'll cry when a local company charges you in foreign currency instead of local currency.
Karille Gallente Lordless	Posted - 2008.11.22 11:51:00 - [132] Originally by: j0rt Let's see how much you'll cry when a local company charges you in foreign currency instead of local currency. Let's see how much you misunderstand what a local company is.
j0rt Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.22 11:53:00 - [133] Originally by: ApaKaka I feel for you guys, really. But the economy of the whole world is going to a low point, with negative BNP coming already next year for most countries. This means we all have to lower our luxury-purchases. EVE is a luxury, and while the GTC price has only gone up 20% or so against my currency (SEK->EUR), so I can still afford this luxury, maybe it's just a fact that you guys can't afford that luxury right now? The currencies will hopefully stabilize during next year and regain some of its lost value making EVE affordable for you guys again. We're talking about a 225% raise in price here. And our point is than an Icelandic company is charging Icelandic players in euros instead of kr=nur and we think CCP could well manage to let us pay in kr=nur.
j0rt Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.22 11:54:00 - [134] Originally by: Karille Originally by: j0rt Let's see how much you'll cry when a local company charges you in foreign currency instead of local currency. Let's see how much you misunderstand what a local company is. I live in Iceland. CCP HQ is in Iceland. Thus to me, CCP are a local company.
Zaptwig	Posted - 2008.11.22 11:56:00 - [135] How are you not getting this? It doesn't matter if you pay in your local currency: it will still cost you 2700-2900 ISK per month! THE CURRENCY IS IRRELEVANT!
Karille Gallente Lordless	Posted - 2008.11.22 12:05:00 - [136] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multinational_company
Dwain Chambers Big S Triangle	Posted - 2008.11.22 12:12:00 - [137] Edited by: Dwain Chambers on 22/11/2008 12:13:24 Originally by: Zaptwig How are you not getting this? It doesn't matter if you pay in your local currency: it will still cost you 2700-2900 ISK per month! THE CURRENCY IS IRRELEVANT! You're actually a re-tard aren't you? The currency you pay in is far from irrelevant, if CCP allowed people to pay with ISK and fixed the cost at, say, 2000 ISK then the players who pay using that currency would be immune from the fluctuations of their currency relative to other currencies. Do you think CCP pay their Icelandic staff in dollars? Probably not. So have CCP raised their salaries now that the ISK has crashed against the Euro and Dollar? Somehow I doubt it. However their Icelandic customers are now paying far more despite CCPs costs decreasing a proportionate amount for the exact same reason... to me this doesn't seem particularly fair. (The same argument can also be made for the sterling as the servers are, I believe, based in the UK)
Jack Rowanburn Eve Unity Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.22 12:15:00 - [138] The World economy is fubar. Why should you pay in ISK if I can't pay in GBP USD and EUR are internationally recognised as the 2 major world currencies. ------------- Insert Sig Here
j0rt Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.22 18:10:00 - [139] A reply from CCP would be well received, about the actual subject; that Icelandic players are very unhappy about having to pay an Icelandic company in ridiculously expensive foreign currency.
Karille Gallente Lordless	Posted - 2008.11.22 18:25:00 - [140] Explorer already told you that it can't happen. Linkage
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2008.11.22 19:37:00 - [141] Originally by: Dwain Chambers Take Microsoft for example: If I buy a product from their website I pay in my local currency, they do not make me pay in Dollars or Euros If you're buying a microsoft product that costs $100 USD and they let you pay in Icelandic Kronur, you'll still be paying 14,142 Kronur. That's $100 USD worth of Kronur at the current exchange rate and you'd be paying that because Microsoft principally deals in USD. Even though CCP's primary headquarters are in Iceland (they also have a place in Atlanta in America and another in Shanghai, China), as a multinational company I'm pretty sure they deal principally in USD (which is fairly stable). Especially right now that the value of ISK is dropping fast relative to all other major world currencies, it's important for them NOT to deal in ISK. If CCP did have fixed price subs in ISK, the only benefit that would be conferred to you is that it would take them a while to adjust them based on the exchange rate and in the interrim you'd be getting an effectively discounted price. They'd still be forced to increase the prices in light of the massive change in exchange rates between ISK and USD. You don't magically get to use last month's exchange rate just because you're paying in another currency because then CCP would be losing out on revenue. Asking CCP to let you pay in ISK instead of USD or Euros is a reasonable request but that's not what you're asking them to do. You're asking them to give a discounted subscription rate for people in Iceland. If that's what you want, ask for that instead of hiding it as a plea to let you "buy game time with kronur". CCP have no special obligation to make the game affordable to their icelandic customers. You might as well be asking an american webhosting company to charge you less or Blizzard to charge WoW subs less for icelandic people, it's the exact same scenario. If you can't afford to play EVE any more because your currency is being rapidly devalued relative to internationally offered digital products and services (which EVE subscriptions are), stop playing. It's not CCP's fault that your currency is getting weaker and it's not their responsibility to provide an affordable price for every nation. If they want to give icelandic people a discount, they will. But you absolutely don't have some kind of automatic right to it. EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
j0rt Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.23 00:49:00 - [142] Originally by: Nyphur Edited by: Nyphur on 22/11/2008 19:59:06 Originally by: Dwain Chambers Take Microsoft for example: If I buy a product from their website I pay in my local currency, they do not make me pay in Dollars or Euros If you're buying a microsoft product that costs $100 USD and they let you pay in Icelandic Kronur, you'll still be paying 14,142 Kronur. That's $100 USD worth of Kronur at the current exchange rate and you'd be paying that because Microsoft principally deals in USD as that's what most of their costs are in. Even though CCP's primary headquarters are in Iceland (they also have a place in Atlanta in America and another in Shanghai, China), CCP Explorer posted that the majority of CCP's costs are in USD and EUR rather than ISK. Especially right now that the value of ISK is dropping fast relative to all other major world currencies, it's important for them NOT to deal in ISK. If CCP did have fixed price subs in ISK, the only benefit that would be conferred to you is that it would take them a while to adjust them based on the exchange rate and in the interrim you'd be getting an effectively discounted price. They'd still be forced to increase the prices in light of the massive change in exchange rates between ISK and USD. You don't magically get to use last month's exchange rate just because you're paying in another currency because then CCP would be losing out on revenue. Asking CCP to let you pay in ISK instead of USD or Euros is a reasonable request but that's not what you're asking them to do. You're asking them to give a discounted subscription rate for people in Iceland. If that's what you want, ask for that instead of hiding it as a plea to let you "buy game time with kronur". CCP have no special obligation to make the game affordable to their icelandic customers. You might as well be asking an american webhosting company to charge you less or Blizzard to charge WoW subs less for icelandic people, it's the exact same scenario. If you can't afford to play EVE any more because your currency is being rapidly devalued relative to internationally offered digital products and services (which EVE subscriptions are), stop playing. It's not CCP's fault that your currency is getting weaker and it's not their responsibility to provide an affordable price for every nation. If they want to give icelandic people a discount, they will. But you absolutely don't have some kind of automatic right to it. EDIT: And as far as I can tell, their salaries are dealt with in USD too. 1) That's why we're asking and not demanding. 2) CCP staff in Iceland are paid in kr=nur. 3) Eve used to be 1200kr a month, then 1500kr, then 2700kr. 4) You seem to completely misunderstand our arguments. Lemme tell you for like the fifth time: We are Icelandic players paying an Icelandic company in euros for a service over the internet.. Imagine you're playing Wow US on a US server but for some reason your subscription is charged in some ridiculously expensive foreign currency. So instead of the 15ish dollars a months for an MMO subscription, as it has been the norm for I don't know how many years with every MMO, you're paying 30 dollars per account. You play it out like we're homeless people trading our food for eve subs, in reality we're noticing playing eve is putting a bigger and bigger dent in our wallets every month for a silly reason. We're Icelandic people who want to pay our Icelandic MMO company in kr=nur instead of euros, this is what this thread is about.
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2008.11.23 01:37:00 - [143] Edited by: Nyphur on 23/11/2008 01:41:36 Originally by: j0rt 2) CCP staff in Iceland are paid in kr=nur. Their job forms ask for a desired salary in US dollars. And you do realise that employee wages in the iceland office are a very small part of CCP's overall costs, right? CCP Explorer already posted in this thread identifying that the majority of CCP's costs are overseas with companies that deal in Euros and US Dollars. If CCP don't charge in the same currency as the majority of their costs are in, fluctuations in exchange rates will make the revenue stream unstable relative to costs. For example, if the value of the dollar and euro fluctuate wildly relative to the other major world currencies, CCP will currently still be financially stable as their costs scheme will still match their income scheme. If they were pricing the subs based on the Icelandic Kronur and paying for their costs in USD and Euros, they'd currently be in a panic because their income would have been heavily cut over the past month but their costs would be as high as ever. If that were happening, you can guarantee they would raise their prices from 1400kr to 2700kr so that people in the US and EU were paying as much as they were before and they weren't losing out on revenue. And you'd complain about that too. I know you're trying to argue that all their prices should be somehow based off the Kronur so they don't fluctuate with the value of the Icelandic Kronur but that's not financially viable when most of their costs are not in ISK. In fact, you should be bloody glad they don't deal mainly in ISK because then the entire CCP company would be worth a quarter of what it was before the 2008 economic crisis and EVE Online could have been shut down by now. Originally by: j0rt 3) Eve used to be 1200kr a month, then 1500kr, then 2700kr. 4) You seem to completely misunderstand our arguments. Lemme tell you for like the fifth time: We are Icelandic players paying an Icelandic company in euros for a service over the internet. I think understand it perfectly well but you just happen to be wrong on this one. If they made an option to pay in Kronur, you'd still be paying the inflated price of 2700. Anything less would be CCP giving you a cheaper subscription than normal. If that's what you want, ask for that. What you're asking for is based on some kind of misguided idea that if your subscription was in Kronur CCP would be charging you less than they are now. Why would they do that? CCP isn't an icelandic company any more, it's a worldwide company whose costs and income are almost entirely overseas. Quote: Imagine you're playing Wow US on a US server but for some reason your subscription is charged in some ridiculously expensive foreign currency. So instead of the 15ish dollars a months for an MMO subscription, as it has been the norm for I don't know how many years with every MMO, you're paying 30 dollars per account. That's not how currency conversion works. If I were playing WoW and their subscription fee was $15/month but they started charging me in great britain pounds instead of US dollars, I would be charged ú10 GBP as that's worth $15USD according to the current exchange rate. That's got practically nothing to do with your scenario. Your scenario is that the currency you were paying in is worth a lot less now than it used to be. This isn't something that's isolated to CCP, if you're paying for ANY MMO your subscription fee is going to have effectively doubled. WoW will have jumped from about 1400kr to about 2700kr too for the exact same reason as EVE, they charge in dollars and your money is worth less dollars now. Quote: in reality we're noticing playing eve is putting a bigger and bigger dent in our wallets every month for a silly reason. That reason isn't that you're being charged arbitrarily in another currency, it's that your country's economy is ****ed. The buying power of YOUR money in overseas and global markets has dropped significantly and it's nothing to do with CCP. EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
Zaptwig	Posted - 2008.11.23 02:05:00 - [144] Originally by: j0rt 4) You seem to completely misunderstand our arguments. Lemme tell you for like the fifth time: We are Icelandic players paying an Icelandic company in euros for a service over the internet.. We understand your arguments perfectly. The simple fact is that you're wrong. Maybe this will help: pretend, just for a moment, that CCP was not an Icelandic company. Let's make believe that rather than tying themselves to a single nation, they've taken the approach of embracing an international customer base by dealing with internationally recognized currency. We can pretend that they have customers from all over the world, from hundreds of different countries, and to manage all of that they've decided that using the two major currencies of the world is an appropriate way to conduct business. Let's also imagine that they have to pay for wages, infrastructure, hardware, marketing, and a host of other business expenses; and to get the best services, the best staff, the best equipment, they need to pay in the same currency the rest of the world pays in. For the sake of argument, lets call CCP a 'multinational' company. Now, if we accept that the international nature of their business requires a pricing method that is competitive with the other major MMOs, it should be quite apparent that offering a cheaper service to the business' home nation - for no reason other than 'we deserve it because you're an Icelandic company' - is simply ridiculous. How would any business survive if they maintained this double standard? What you're failing to grasp is that even if the option of paying in kronur was available, it would still cost you the same amount. At the moment, I bet if you pay by credit card in Iceland, your transactions will display the kronur amount with the Euro conversion separate. At some point, you're converting kronur to euro. If you remove that step, you're still paying the same amount of kronur. No business in their right mind will offer a static, lower price to one set of customers at the expense of the rest of the customers.
Cadela Fria Amarr x13 X13 Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.23 15:39:00 - [145] Originally by: Zaptwig No business in their right mind will offer a static, lower price to one set of customers at the expense of the rest of the customers. Nor should they! -Fixed -Quoting for epic truth, you sir, win..I mean not to sound harsh, but it's as simple as this.
ShadowDraqon The Quantum Company	Posted - 2008.12.03 21:03:00 - [146] Edited by: ShadowDraqon on 03/12/2008 21:04:26 hmmmm.... ******ns kreppa! *ing economic crisis! Edit: LOL the forum filter works on icelandic too!* <~ End of Post ~> ====================================== Want to see a trick? snaps fingers Notify: "The Final Countdown" is now playing nonstop in your head. Neat, eh?
Fraa Excelsias	Posted - 2008.12.03 22:15:00 - [147] LOL @ this. Why should CCP take it in the pants, because you did? They're a company out to make money. Period. That's like selling poor people bullshyte mortgage products who can't really afford them, just because they're poor. OH, wait! We did that in the US and it has CAUSED TOTAL ECONOMIC DISASTER. Moral of the story, don't inject emotion into your economics.
Captain Capture	Posted - 2008.12.12 05:07:00 - [148] Edited by: Captain Capture on 12/12/2008 05:11:19 If I buy a GTC, lets say for 15 dollars, instead of 15 EURO, I'd make a 25% profit of that cause the dollar aint worth ****. Makes no sense that they all dont have to pay in either euro or dollars, can't use 2 different. So what if the english ppl had to pay in punds? And us swedish ppl in Kronor. (From Sweden here)
Silver Night Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2008.12.12 05:30:00 - [149] Originally by: Sexiest Beast ...CCP to single-handedly fix the icelandic economy... This is the solution. Go go go. -------------- The Clown Man. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter
Netacq	Posted - 2008.12.12 08:07:00 - [150] Edited by: Netacq on 12/12/2008 08:07:24 Why is Iceland not in EU? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceland_and_the_European_Union) Why did Iceland not switch to Ç in the past? Yes they - icelandic people - wished to life between the systems... "Take the best for myself and f+u+c+k all others"... Now something has been changed: Iceland is now bankrupt - in reality Iceland people lost the island. Do you think Iceland can ever pay 500,000,000,000.00Ç back? Or the 10,000,000,000Ç of the last credit (EU)? Don't forget: Iceland has around 320,000 inhabitants. Means 30,000.00Ç per icelandic head. Ok - back to the roots: and now we should pay also for iclandic "game addicted"?
Bart Starr	Posted - 2008.12.31 11:21:00 - [151] Yeah, but 15 euro is 15 euro no matter how you put it. So just pay the guys 15 euro like everybody else in the EU economic area regardless of their national coin. Oh, like, say, Romanians ? Hey, look, you COULD have joined the EU already, but you didn't. You COULD have adopted the Euro, but you didn't. CCP could charge you in ISK instead of EUR, but it won't. End of story.
Sedious Bloke	Posted - 2008.12.31 12:00:00 - [152] your currency just imploded i think you might have bigger things to worry about?? don't fret though the rest of the world is right behind you, but when it hits here you wont hear us *****ing at ccp about it?? :/
Steve Celeste	Posted - 2008.12.31 12:17:00 - [153] Hello my dog ate his food again and now i have to buy new food for him!!! This cuts into my wallet, leaving me with less money to spend on internet spaceships! CCP is giving us dog owners the middle finger, pls CCP nerf your GTC prices nowww!!!11
NeoTheo Dark Materials	Posted - 2008.12.31 12:27:00 - [154] ok you can pay in ISK, you pay 3000k isk, or whatever amounts to whatever it does in euros. its not the euro that is stupidly expensive, its the isk that is suplidly devalued. your asking to pay less than me, because your government sux? thats *****s in the highest degree, why should you pay less than me? for what its worth, the pound is falling through the floor as well (relativly speaking); eve also became more expensive for me, i am not *ing about it however; admittedly its not as bad as iclands problems, but that dont mean it wont become so. ether way i would have no right to ***. ccp ether make the game cheaper for everyone, or do it for no one. in order for ccp to function they need to make money, i am sorry for your woe's; but stop asking for a handout cause your iclandic. /Theo - DAMT - If you dont know, well, you dont know!

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