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Heptameron
Gallente
Octavian Vanguard
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.29 10:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Mostly Amazing
Just because you pay your subscription, doesn't mean you are a real EVE player.
Definition of a carebear:
"A person who's activities in EVE can be completely substituted by a macro since they require no player interaction or creative thinking in any way"
That's the biggest pile of pooh quote i've seen in a while... did you make that up yourself? My quote is from the site header so it's official rather than some ******ed individual view as is yours.
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RedSplat
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.10.29 10:39:00 -
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Yeah...because some guy sitting in a highsec belt in his Hulk, perfectly safe, and mining Veldspar all day helps make EVE a better game and enriches the community. 
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Mostly Amazing
Gallente
Mostly Amazing Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.29 10:40:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Heptameron
Originally by: Mostly Amazing
Just because you pay your subscription, doesn't mean you are a real EVE player.
Definition of a carebear:
"A person who's activities in EVE can be completely substituted by a macro since they require no player interaction or creative thinking in any way"
That's the biggest pile of pooh quote i've seen in a while... did you make that up yourself? My quote is from the site header so it's official rather than some ******ed individual view as is yours.
You can keep "quoting official quotes", but my definition of a carebear still stands.
I invite any carebear to prove me wrong by telling me how they are not following my definition.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.10.29 10:48:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Mostly Amazing
You can keep "quoting official quotes", but my definition of a carebear still stands.
I invite any carebear to prove me wrong by telling me how they are not following my definition.
Mission runners, can't do with macro, too much variables, need to think or pop(especially in later levels).
Market "runner", can't do with macro, need to think MORE then a gatecamper. From a numeral, accounting, etc point of view.
Just as an example.
Still haven't answered anything i said, for example;
What do YOU do? And who's your daddy?
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Mostly Amazing
Gallente
Mostly Amazing Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.29 10:54:00 -
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I am a forum troll, which means i need to think creatively in order to make the best possible bait, as well as interact a lot with the people that fall in my trap.
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I R Not Completely Amazing, But I R Mostly Amazing |
HENODE PRAVIA
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.10.29 10:58:00 -
[36]
Originally by: CALUGARU
Edited by: CALUGARU on 29/10/2008 10:07:06
Originally by: [HENODE PRAVIA
it's simply the freedom of choice playstile & respect
no it's not. i kill and grief them as much as i can 
Fixed.
Good Point. If you really do as you say..
As and actual carebear, i enjoy the pleasure of griefing hardcores with only my presence in game..
Xenos, Malleus,....Hereticus!!! |
Hooch Flux
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.29 10:59:00 -
[37]
Originally by: RedSplat
Yeah...because some guy sitting in a highsec belt in his Hulk, perfectly safe, and mining Veldspar all day helps make EVE a better game and enriches the community.
Does it hurt it either? If it bothers you so much, Wardec'em! Unless they are in a npc corp it shouldn't be a problem! and if they are in a npc corp are they worth bothering about?
I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit...
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.10.29 11:01:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Mostly Amazing
I am a forum troll, which means i need to think creatively in order to make the best possible bait, as well as interact a lot with the people that fall in my trap.
Yeah but you're a poor troll.
A: Too obvious.
B: Not well thought out.
C: Your hull is at 5% max from all my precicion troll killers.
You're a failed troll, and we don't have room for failed trolls here. IGN boards that way--->
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Malcanis
RuffRyders
Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.29 11:01:00 -
[39]
Originally by: joxter
I am a carebear and am proud! Sign up below if you are a carebear and want CCP to stop trying to force us into losec or 0.0! We are the miners and producers and traders that make PvP possible, give us a good living in Empire with Decent protection from Concord and let the Pirates and anti-pirates play outside empire.
United we stand, divided we fall. Lets hear from all the carebears out there! Flamers will be ignored and ridiculed as the piratical losers they are (unless they have a fat wallet and want to buy lots of gear!)
Forced? Forced? So what are CCP doing? Changing it so that all players are auto-concorded after they're 3 months old? Setting 100% transacation taxes? Dectupling faction hits? How are you being forced out of hi-sec?
Or... are you being "forced" to accept a little less reward to balance the greatly reduced risk in hi-sec these days, as befits the safe "starter" areas in every other game out there?
You got your concord buffs (several), you got your war-dec nerfs, you got your suicide gank nerf, you got your LP store... now it's time for you to accept that you have to give a little back.
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HENODE PRAVIA
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.10.29 11:04:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Mostly Amazing
I am a forum troll, which means i need to believe that i think creatively in order to make the best possible bait, as well as interact a lot with the people that fall in my trap.
Fixed
Xenos, Malleus,....Hereticus!!! |
Another Forum'Alt
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Posted - 2008.10.29 11:10:00 -
[41]
Gatecamping could be fairly easily repaced with a macro... 
Nerf Zulupark. NOW. |
joxter
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.29 11:15:00 -
[42]
from this thread http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=909405&page=3
Quote:
(8) Mission runners and miners are in a set place for an extended period of time. Pirates are able to move around freely and station hug when practicing thier profession. So we have a realtively stationary target, all alone, in an improperly fitted expensiveship, who is already engaged in battle.......versus........a mobile predator, in a large gang, fitted properly and specialized for the task at hand, who can jump safe-spot and station hug before and after attacks. Read number eight again, please. Tell me who is really the carebear?
Pretty much sums up the low sec situation better that I could have said it.
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RedSplat
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.10.29 11:18:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: joxter
I am a carebear and am proud! Sign up below if you are a carebear and want CCP to stop trying to force us into losec or 0.0! We are the miners and producers and traders that make PvP possible, give us a good living in Empire with Decent protection from Concord and let the Pirates and anti-pirates play outside empire.
United we stand, divided we fall. Lets hear from all the carebears out there! Flamers will be ignored and ridiculed as the piratical losers they are (unless they have a fat wallet and want to buy lots of gear!)
Forced? Forced? So what are CCP doing? Changing it so that all players are auto-concorded after they're 3 months old? Setting 100% transacation taxes? Dectupling faction hits? How are you being forced out of hi-sec?
Or... are you being "forced" to accept a little less reward to balance the greatly reduced risk in hi-sec these days, as befits the safe "starter" areas in every other game out there?
You got your concord buffs (several), you got your war-dec nerfs, you got your suicide gank nerf, you got your LP store... now it's time for you to accept that you have to give a little back.
This
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.29 11:27:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 29/10/2008 11:35:26
Excuse me, but I do not see any indications of CCP forcing us to go anywhere? They are encouraging us, granted, and I hope for even more encouragement in the future.
You will not see CCP remove all level 4 agents to low sec as that would be an utterly stupid game design and business move (for obvious reasons). But they may tweak the reward ratio between high and low sec a bit, which btw. can be done in many ways. My guess would be loot wise, though my ideal would be missions that would only be provided by low sec agents and where designed with low sec in mind. That means designing them in such a way that mission runners not would be a sitting duck for a group of pirates but provide a challenge for all parties.
Lets not forget that some of us actually do work in low sec already, and I am personally quite happy not to see it completely overcrowded.
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.29 11:29:00 -
[45]
Originally by: RedSplat
Yeah...because some guy sitting in a highsec belt in his Hulk, perfectly safe, and mining Veldspar all day helps make EVE a better game and enriches the community.
Do you know what these individuals backgrounds are. I for one have done this activity and would like to believe that the trit I sold had some impact on the economy around me. That I helped shape the EVE lives of noobs I saw in belts mining in barges or taking loot from NPC that were not theirs. Are you sure these miners are also not producing ships, modules, or rigs that you use to scan, loot, and salvage with?
CCP has tried to create a game that tries to mimic the potential dynamics of a space society.
-Is it so hard to think that something would go on in areas of higher security that individuals of evil intentions would have a very hard time to interupt?
-Is it so hard to imagin that in areas of high population that the most profitable Empire protection (that is what I RP see high sec missiong as) would be significantly less profitiable then in low sec due to higher populations?
-Is it hard to see the potential of having certain agents and services moved around to either accomodate a growing population in a system, to decrease traffic in another system, to increase protection of certain systems affected by FW?
I mean the list can go on and on, but why can people not just log in and play even if the rules have changed. Rules tend not to be completely static in most games unless you are talking about board games. Have we not learned to deal with the ever changing world of games?
Slade
Originally by: Crumplecorn
NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine.
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TimMc
Gallente
The Motley Crew
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Posted - 2008.10.29 11:32:00 -
[46]
If anything with the concord buffs, harsher suicide gank penalties and 0% npc tax, you carebears are being encouraged to stay safe in high sec.
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Anson Halleck
Lost Eden
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Posted - 2008.10.29 11:37:00 -
[47]
If Mostly Amazing really represents "the REAL Eve Online playerbase", then I am very proud to join the carebears camp.
Anyway @OP, I am trading, building and market PvPing in Eve for about 3.5 years now and I don't feel being pushed by CCP to anywhere. However I agree with you - it should not change. 
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Malcanis
RuffRyders
Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.29 11:46:00 -
[48]
Originally by: TimMc
If anything with the concord buffs, harsher suicide gank penalties and 0% npc tax, you carebears are being encouraged to stay safe in high sec.
In fact by their logic we're being "forced" out of 0.0
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Doonoo Boonoo
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.29 11:54:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: TimMc
If anything with the concord buffs, harsher suicide gank penalties and 0% npc tax, you carebears are being encouraged to stay safe in high sec.
In fact by their logic we're being "forced" out of 0.0
Nobody is being forced to do anything . That's the beauty of Eve. People can do what they want, when they want, how they want and your non stop bleating at how unfair it all is won't change anything. That's why it's such a great game
You sound like some whiney Carebear in reverse.
To cut a long story short- You don't getthe point of this game and neither do the Carebears.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.10.29 11:59:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 29/10/2008 11:59:33
Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
To cut a long story short- You don't getthe point of this game and neither do the Carebears.
So please do tell what IS the point?
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Doonoo Boonoo
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.29 12:06:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 29/10/2008 11:59:33
Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
To cut a long story short- You don't getthe point of this game and neither do the Carebears.
So please do tell what IS the point?
If you can't figure it out yourself I suggest you quit. Or are you like Mental Malc and the Carebears and think that 'your' way of playing is the right way and anybody not playing 'your' Eve shouldn't be here?
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Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.10.29 12:07:00 -
[52]
Does drinking booze whilst spinning ships round in my hangar make me a carebear? If so sign me up!
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.10.29 12:11:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 29/10/2008 12:12:48
Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 29/10/2008 11:59:33
Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
To cut a long story short- You don't getthe point of this game and neither do the Carebears.
So please do tell what IS the point?
If you can't figure it out yourself I suggest you quit. Or are you like Mental Malc and the Carebears and think that 'your' way of playing is the right way and anybody not playing 'your' Eve shouldn't be here?
You're acting like a woman; "If you don't know, i won't tell!!".
Fine, we're through, go to your mothers house
Jsut asking what YOU think is the point as you obviously know it. Don't avoid the subject, it's a simple question. I'll offer my answer to your question right after.
Because judging by your "carebears think their way is only way" generalization, you miss the point as much.
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Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.10.29 12:17:00 -
[54]
Carebears from what i gather, are those who try and avoid confrontation as much as possible.
Which is interesting, as to 99% of people that is damned good advice. Sane = carebear.
OKAY!
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Slide
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Posted - 2008.10.29 12:17:00 -
[55]
> Mostly Amazing < Rating at trollin = Epic fail.
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Gonada
Priory Of The Lemon
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Posted - 2008.10.29 12:18:00 -
[56]
pathetic looser carebears have ruined every game to date.
gtf out of our game
Please, jump into traffic
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Malcanis
RuffRyders
Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.29 12:24:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Rhatar Khurin
Carebears from what i gather, are those who try and avoid confrontation as much as possible.
Which is interesting, as to 99% of people that is damned good advice. Sane = carebear.
OKAY!
No, carebears are those who believe that they are entitled to avoid any confrontation without any effort or expense on their part.
There are lots of miners, ratters, haulers, traders, industrialists, etc, who do their thing while watching local, fitting their ships appropriately, employing teamwork, using bookmarks and safespots, and generally playing the game, and no-one I know has any problem whatsoever with such people. In fact I engage in such activities myself.
And then there are those who believe that it is morally wrong to subject them to risk, that they should be "allowed to play the game how they want" - meaning they should be free compete with other professions who don't get the subsidy of free NPC security while still making at least as much ISK. I have a huge problem with such people.
They feel that they are entitled to the best ships, modules and implants in the game while at the same time being entitled to own them in perfect safety.
That sense of entitlement is what marks out a carebear.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.29 12:25:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 29/10/2008 12:25:50
Originally by: Gonada
pathetic looser carebears have ruined every game to date.
gtf out of our game
I do feel a bit loose today.
EDIT: I excuse in advance for the poor grammar joke.
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Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.10.29 12:35:00 -
[59]
Interesting variation in "the point" and "carebear" terms.
We're all carebears and missing the point, that's more elusive then britney spears' virginity, by the end of the day
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
W3370Pi4
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.29 12:38:00 -
[60]
Edited by: W3370Pi4 on 29/10/2008 12:38:55
you are in an NPC corp = PHail
im a 0.0 miner
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