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joxter
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.29 08:27:00 -
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I am a carebear and am proud! Sign up below if you are a carebear and want CCP to stop trying to force us into losec or 0.0! We are the miners and producers and traders that make PvP possible, give us a good living in Empire with Decent protection from Concord and let the Pirates and anti-pirates play outside empire.
United we stand, divided we fall. Lets hear from all the carebears out there! Flamers will be ignored and ridiculed as the piratical losers they are (unless they have a fat wallet and want to buy lots of gear!)
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.10.29 08:28:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 29/10/2008 08:28:11
Yes, stop forcing(are they?) carebears into lowsec/0.0 and give them reason to go to lowsec/0.0 
Or should i say us...i dont' know if i'm a carebear 
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.10.29 08:32:00 -
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May I be eaten by bees tomorrow if CCP has ever done anything in like the past forever that has made Low Sec more appealing to anyone.
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Yarsk Hunters
DeaDSpace Coalition
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Posted - 2008.10.29 08:34:00 -
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I say lets give all carebears free carebeer (0.0% alcohol of course).
sǝʎǝ ɹn ƃuıuınɹ `sɯnɹoɟ ɹn uı zı |
Mostly Amazing
Gallente
Mostly Amazing Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.29 08:34:00 -
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Go play WoW. That's the game you are looking for.
EVE Online is a spaceshipbattlegame.
You sit in 5 stations with 5 accounts checking markets all day and comparing them with eachother. You don't need an MMO for that.
Perhaps someday CCP will make a bear version of EVE that you can play offline.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.10.29 08:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Mostly Amazing
Go play WoW. That's the game you are looking for.
EVE Online is a spaceshipbattlegame.
You sit in 5 stations with 5 accounts checking markets all day and comparing them with eachother. You don't need an MMO for that.
Perhaps someday CCP will make a bear version of EVE that you can play offline.
But you're sadly mistaken. Be sad. Like this 
EVE is what you want it to be. If you don't want spaceshipcombat, you don't have to do spaceshipcombat.
If you want marketchecking and numbercrunching, you can d"Ok let's do this! LEEEEEEROOOOOY JEEEEEENKINBLARARGG!!!"
Did he just warp in?
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Mostly Amazing
Gallente
Mostly Amazing Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.29 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Mostly Amazing
Go play WoW. That's the game you are looking for.
EVE Online is a spaceshipbattlegame.
You sit in 5 stations with 5 accounts checking markets all day and comparing them with eachother. You don't need an MMO for that.
Perhaps someday CCP will make a bear version of EVE that you can play offline.
But you're sadly mistaken. Be sad. Like this
EVE is what you want it to be. If you don't want spaceshipcombat, you don't have to do spaceshipcombat.
If you want marketchecking and numbercrunching, you can d"Ok let's do this! LEEEEEEROOOOOY JEEEEEENKINBLARARGG!!!"
Did he just warp in?
I would be oke with that if they didn't bother the real EVE playerbase:
1. But thanks to all the bears the server is heavily loaded with these kinds of bearish activities decreasing performance for us.
2. Petitions are full of "ohno my shuttle bpc has dissappeared, can u return it please?".
3. Whines on the forum.
4. Their own expansion.
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joxter
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.29 08:43:00 -
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Originally by: Mostly Amazing
Go play WoW. That's the game you are looking for.
EVE Online is a spaceshipbattlegame.
You sit in 5 stations with 5 accounts checking markets all day and comparing them with eachother. You don't need an MMO for that.
Perhaps someday CCP will make a bear version of EVE that you can play offline.
WoW sucks, now if they had a Sci-Fi version of wow...
I have only 1 account, sure others have additional accounts but that is what they like to do so more power to them for having fun, I enjoy mining and mission running, flying against other players is not fun in any way and I avoid it at ALL costs, that is my fun and my choice. Until there is a Sci-Fi based game that does better than EVE I will be playing EVE.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.10.29 08:45:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 29/10/2008 08:45:37
Originally by: Mostly Amazing
I would be oke with that if they didn't bother the real EVE playerbase:
1. But thanks to all the bears the server is heavily loaded with these kinds of bearish activities decreasing performance for us.
2. Petitions are full of "ohno my shuttle bpc has dissappeared, can u return it please?".
3. Whines on the forum.
4. Their own expansion.
"Real" EVE player base?
You're no more real then me, Chribba, the guy who plays around with markets all day or the guy who logs in to chat about football.
If you play EVE, you're a real player and this is for all people, not just those who like to shoot stuff.
I guess, "CS is that way --->" should be used as a fair point then?
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Lord Windu
Imperiosus Tutela
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Posted - 2008.10.29 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Mostly Amazing
I would be oke with that if they didn't bother the real EVE playerbase:
You are sooo retarded. What makes you think that you are a "real" eve player and maybe myself or others aren't? Do we all pay the same subscription? Do we all play eve for leisure? Do you look so dumb right now that people are praying for more ****ed up wisdom to be posted by you just so they can flame you to hell? Yeah I think so.
P.S. Just so we get a good laugh out of this epic fail, what do you define a "real" eve player as being?
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Esmenet
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Posted - 2008.10.29 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: joxter
I am a carebear and am proud! Sign up below if you are a carebear and want CCP to stop trying to force us into losec or 0.0! We are the miners and producers and traders that make PvP possible, give us a good living in Empire with Decent protection from Concord and let the Pirates and anti-pirates play outside empire.
United we stand, divided we fall. Lets hear from all the carebears out there! Flamers will be ignored and ridiculed as the piratical losers they are (unless they have a fat wallet and want to buy lots of gear!)
Sure just ask ccp to make a PVE server.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.10.29 09:01:00 -
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Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 29/10/2008 09:03:41
Originally by: Esmenet
Originally by: joxter
I am a carebear and am proud! Sign up below if you are a carebear and want CCP to stop trying to force us into losec or 0.0! We are the miners and producers and traders that make PvP possible, give us a good living in Empire with Decent protection from Concord and let the Pirates and anti-pirates play outside empire.
United we stand, divided we fall. Lets hear from all the carebears out there! Flamers will be ignored and ridiculed as the piratical losers they are (unless they have a fat wallet and want to buy lots of gear!)
Sure just ask ccp to make a PVE server.
ok, i'll bite on this fail thread.
-OP, who says CCP is trying to force you into lowsec/empire??
-Esmenet, why would he ask CCP for a PVE server when he's just asking for the current status quo??
for added class you should have finished the OP with "this is our chance to carebear SHINE!"
edit to add: anyone that uses the term "REAL playerbase" regarding this pretend world designed to do whatever you feel like from maximum risk to minimum, is more fail than this failthread. If you have a subscription thats as real as you get. You wont be any more real/important than a guy that only logs in to change his skills & spin. 
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joxter
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.29 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Esmenet
Originally by: joxter
I am a carebear and am proud! Sign up below if you are a carebear and want CCP to stop trying to force us into losec or 0.0! We are the miners and producers and traders that make PvP possible, give us a good living in Empire with Decent protection from Concord and let the Pirates and anti-pirates play outside empire.
United we stand, divided we fall. Lets hear from all the carebears out there! Flamers will be ignored and ridiculed as the piratical losers they are (unless they have a fat wallet and want to buy lots of gear!)
Sure just ask ccp to make a PVE server.
ok, i'll bite on this fail thread.
-OP, who says CCP is trying to force you into lowsec/empire??
-Esmenet, why would he ask CCP for a PVE server when he's just asking for the current status quo??
for added class you should have finished the OP with "this is our chance to carebear SHINE!"
I am mainly concerned with the rumors of Agents for lv4 missions being moved to losec, such a precedent would be very bad for carebears like myself who would be stuck doing lv3 missions (no way in HECK am I going into losec!!)
I'm not too into the carebear SHINE thing but plenty of hugs for everyone!
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Jane Retail
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Posted - 2008.10.29 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mostly Amazing
I would be oke with that if they didn't bother the real EVE playerbase:
1. But thanks to all the bears the server is heavily loaded with these kinds of bearish activities decreasing performance for us.
2. Petitions are full of "ohno my shuttle bpc has dissappeared, can u return it please?".
3. Whines on the forum.
4. Their own expansion.
You are angry, aren't you ? 
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Heptameron
Gallente
Octavian Vanguard
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.29 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Mostly Amazing
EVE Online is a spaceshipbattlegame.
Actually it's not, read the header on the site but for reference it's a Quote:
EVE Online - a massive multiplayer online roleplaying space game - MMORPG
Now i'm no empire carebear, in fact i get more nervous in empire than I do in 0.0, but the beauty of this game is the ability but to be just about anything you want... PvP is sustainable for us that like it because of the so called empire carebears that sit doing there spreadsheets, and complex calcs on the best way to make a buck or 2.
What CCP get right on occassion is balancing the game so it is attractive to many different gameplay styles and long may it continue. So if there is an imbalance in high sec empire and enough people have an issue with it then let them gripe and hope something is done about it.
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Mostly Amazing
Gallente
Mostly Amazing Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.29 09:18:00 -
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Just because you pay your subscription, doesn't mean you are a real EVE player.
Definition of a carebear:
"A person who's activities in EVE can be completely substituted by a macro since they require no player interaction or creative thinking in any way"
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.10.29 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: joxter
I am mainly concerned with the rumors of Agents for lv4 missions being moved to losec, such a precedent would be very bad for carebears like myself who would be stuck doing lv3 missions (no way in HECK am I going into losec!!)
As far as I understood, they just want to add more agents so people spread out more, to stop people cluttering the few specific mission hubs.
I don't think they'll be so stupid as to remove the level 4 missions in highsec alltogether. Forcing people into lowsec is not going to work. There should be more rewards for those that DO go there though.
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Sam Browne
MYTHIC Developments
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2008.10.29 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Mostly Amazing
Just because you pay your subscription, doesn't mean you are a real EVE player.
Definition of a carebear:
"A person who's activities in EVE can be completely substituted by a macro since they require no player interaction or creative thinking in any way"
You having a nice time fishing?
Plenty of bait on your hook..... but nothing really worth a bite.
Bye.
Swimming against the tide since 2003 |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.10.29 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Mostly Amazing
Just because you pay your subscription, doesn't mean you are a real EVE player.
Definition of a carebear:
"A person who's activities in EVE can be completely substituted by a macro since they require no player interaction or creative thinking in any way"
So, a gatecamper by your definition is a carebear?
0.0 ratter/miner?
While a market fiddler etc can't be a carebear.
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
IR Scoutar
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.29 09:27:00 -
[20]
Originally by: Mostly Amazing
..trolling..
I hear there is an exelent mmo out there that caters to your trolling needs by actualy letting you play one!
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Mostly Amazing
Gallente
Mostly Amazing Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.29 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Mostly Amazing
Just because you pay your subscription, doesn't mean you are a real EVE player.
Definition of a carebear:
"A person who's activities in EVE can be completely substituted by a macro since they require no player interaction or creative thinking in any way"
So, a gatecamper by your definition is a carebear?
0.0 ratter/miner?
While a market fiddler etc can't be a carebear.
You can say all you want, my definition still stands.
I would rather have a world filled with chinese ISK farmers, because at least they put themselves into risky situation ratting in 0.0 and no matter how bad their english is, at least they attempt to make conversation with you in local.
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I R Not Completely Amazing, But I R Mostly Amazing |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.10.29 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Mostly Amazing
You can say all you want, my definition still stands.
I would rather have a world filled with chinese ISK farmers, because at least they put themselves into risky situation ratting in 0.0 and no matter how bad their english is, at least they attempt to make conversation with you in local.
Yes, so you're a carebear and as such, need to leave by your definition.
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
CALUGARU
Repo Industries
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2008.10.29 09:45:00 -
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who said that carebears don't go to 0.0? in 0.0 are the MOST carebears. when 300 people are in an alliance online, 200 are npcing. anyway.
go ccp! get em' all into low sec! this is eveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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I like pie.
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Mostly Amazing
Gallente
Mostly Amazing Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.29 09:53:00 -
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Or perhaps all the bears could play a text version of EVE!
Bear 1 creates 5 units of Gallente Shuttle.
Bear 2 creates 6 units of Gallente Shuttle.
Bear 1 posts on the EVE-O forums about how it's unfair.
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I R Not Completely Amazing, But I R Mostly Amazing |
CALUGARU
Repo Industries
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2008.10.29 09:54:00 -
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lol
Furthermore, i do not think that this kind of behavior is accepted in any society or group. The nerve some people demostrate - is beyond comprehension! Why do people have signatures like this?! |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.10.29 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Mostly Amazing
Or perhaps all the bears could play a text version of EVE!
Bear 1 creates 5 units of Gallente Shuttle.
Bear 2 creates 6 units of Gallente Shuttle.
Bear 1 posts on the EVE-O forums about how it's unfair.
And what is it exactly, so "interaction and creative thinking" requiring, that you do in EVE? What makes you a REAL EVE player?
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
HENODE PRAVIA
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.10.29 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Mostly Amazing
Go play WoW. That's the game you are looking for.
EVE Online is a spaceshipbattlegame.
You sit in 5 stations with 5 accounts checking markets all day and comparing them with eachother. You don't need an MMO for that.
Perhaps someday CCP will make a bear version of EVE that you can play offline.
You need to mature...
I've saw a lot much carebears in 0.0 than in hisec, where are also the alts of that "hardcore forums PvP's" farming lvls 4....
Real PvP'rs in any MMO don't have any concerns about carebears.
it's simply the freedom of choice playstile & respect
Xenos, Malleus,....Hereticus!!! |
CALUGARU
Repo Industries
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2008.10.29 10:06:00 -
[28]
Originally by: HENODE PRAVIA
Originally by: Mostly Amazing
it's simply the freedom of choice playstile & respect
no it's not. i kill and grief them as much as i can 
Furthermore, i do not think that this kind of behavior is accepted in any society or group. The nerve some people demostrate - is beyond comprehension! Why do people have signatures like this?! |
Hooch Flux
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.29 10:19:00 -
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A. Eve is a sandbox; you make it what you want!
B. Nobody should ever be 100% safe!
C. You should not expect anyone else's play style to work with yours!
D. 
E. Profit!
If a player wants to play an Industrial/Marketer, who are any of us to have exception with that! Just the same goes for a Lowsec Pirate or a 0.0 Alliance member. Every player in Eve has their own play style and ideas, sometimes they overlap and someone gets ganked/blown up etc, etc. This shouldn't be looked at as a bad thing for it is a necessary risk (Agreed, Lowsec needs more incentive).
As to CCP trying to force people into Lowsec/0.0, that's just rubbish. You have a choice on how you want to play and you don't have to go anywhere you don't want too! Saying that there are rewards for going out (Lowsec problem again!) but there are risks involved!
I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit...
Only way to be sure! |
Mostly Amazing
Gallente
Mostly Amazing Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.29 10:26:00 -
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We should fear the bear playstyle. Because the more bears are born the more CCP will focus their activities around them.
Soon every expansion will be a bearspansion.
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Heptameron
Gallente
Octavian Vanguard
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.29 10:28:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Mostly Amazing
Just because you pay your subscription, doesn't mean you are a real EVE player.
Definition of a carebear:
"A person who's activities in EVE can be completely substituted by a macro since they require no player interaction or creative thinking in any way"
That's the biggest pile of pooh quote i've seen in a while... did you make that up yourself? My quote is from the site header so it's official rather than some ******ed individual view as is yours.
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RedSplat
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.10.29 10:39:00 -
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Yeah...because some guy sitting in a highsec belt in his Hulk, perfectly safe, and mining Veldspar all day helps make EVE a better game and enriches the community.
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Mostly Amazing
Gallente
Mostly Amazing Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.29 10:40:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Heptameron
Originally by: Mostly Amazing
Just because you pay your subscription, doesn't mean you are a real EVE player.
Definition of a carebear:
"A person who's activities in EVE can be completely substituted by a macro since they require no player interaction or creative thinking in any way"
That's the biggest pile of pooh quote i've seen in a while... did you make that up yourself? My quote is from the site header so it's official rather than some ******ed individual view as is yours.
You can keep "quoting official quotes", but my definition of a carebear still stands.
I invite any carebear to prove me wrong by telling me how they are not following my definition.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.10.29 10:48:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Mostly Amazing
You can keep "quoting official quotes", but my definition of a carebear still stands.
I invite any carebear to prove me wrong by telling me how they are not following my definition.
Mission runners, can't do with macro, too much variables, need to think or pop(especially in later levels).
Market "runner", can't do with macro, need to think MORE then a gatecamper. From a numeral, accounting, etc point of view.
Just as an example.
Still haven't answered anything i said, for example;
What do YOU do? And who's your daddy?
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Mostly Amazing
Gallente
Mostly Amazing Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.29 10:54:00 -
[35]
I am a forum troll, which means i need to think creatively in order to make the best possible bait, as well as interact a lot with the people that fall in my trap.
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I R Not Completely Amazing, But I R Mostly Amazing |
HENODE PRAVIA
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.10.29 10:58:00 -
[36]
Originally by: CALUGARU
Edited by: CALUGARU on 29/10/2008 10:07:06
Originally by: [HENODE PRAVIA
it's simply the freedom of choice playstile & respect
no it's not. i kill and grief them as much as i can
Fixed.
Good Point. If you really do as you say..
As and actual carebear, i enjoy the pleasure of griefing hardcores with only my presence in game..
Xenos, Malleus,....Hereticus!!! |
Hooch Flux
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.29 10:59:00 -
[37]
Originally by: RedSplat
Yeah...because some guy sitting in a highsec belt in his Hulk, perfectly safe, and mining Veldspar all day helps make EVE a better game and enriches the community.
Does it hurt it either? If it bothers you so much, Wardec'em! Unless they are in a npc corp it shouldn't be a problem! and if they are in a npc corp are they worth bothering about?
I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit...
Only way to be sure! |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.10.29 11:01:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Mostly Amazing
I am a forum troll, which means i need to think creatively in order to make the best possible bait, as well as interact a lot with the people that fall in my trap.
Yeah but you're a poor troll.
A: Too obvious.
B: Not well thought out.
C: Your hull is at 5% max from all my precicion troll killers.
You're a failed troll, and we don't have room for failed trolls here. IGN boards that way--->
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Malcanis
RuffRyders
Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.29 11:01:00 -
[39]
Originally by: joxter
I am a carebear and am proud! Sign up below if you are a carebear and want CCP to stop trying to force us into losec or 0.0! We are the miners and producers and traders that make PvP possible, give us a good living in Empire with Decent protection from Concord and let the Pirates and anti-pirates play outside empire.
United we stand, divided we fall. Lets hear from all the carebears out there! Flamers will be ignored and ridiculed as the piratical losers they are (unless they have a fat wallet and want to buy lots of gear!)
Forced? Forced? So what are CCP doing? Changing it so that all players are auto-concorded after they're 3 months old? Setting 100% transacation taxes? Dectupling faction hits? How are you being forced out of hi-sec?
Or... are you being "forced" to accept a little less reward to balance the greatly reduced risk in hi-sec these days, as befits the safe "starter" areas in every other game out there?
You got your concord buffs (several), you got your war-dec nerfs, you got your suicide gank nerf, you got your LP store... now it's time for you to accept that you have to give a little back.
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HENODE PRAVIA
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.10.29 11:04:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Mostly Amazing
I am a forum troll, which means i need to believe that i think creatively in order to make the best possible bait, as well as interact a lot with the people that fall in my trap.
Fixed
Xenos, Malleus,....Hereticus!!! |
Another Forum'Alt
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Posted - 2008.10.29 11:10:00 -
[41]
Gatecamping could be fairly easily repaced with a macro...
Nerf Zulupark. NOW. |
joxter
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.29 11:15:00 -
[42]
from this thread http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=909405&page=3
Quote:
(8) Mission runners and miners are in a set place for an extended period of time. Pirates are able to move around freely and station hug when practicing thier profession. So we have a realtively stationary target, all alone, in an improperly fitted expensiveship, who is already engaged in battle.......versus........a mobile predator, in a large gang, fitted properly and specialized for the task at hand, who can jump safe-spot and station hug before and after attacks. Read number eight again, please. Tell me who is really the carebear?
Pretty much sums up the low sec situation better that I could have said it.
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RedSplat
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.10.29 11:18:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: joxter
I am a carebear and am proud! Sign up below if you are a carebear and want CCP to stop trying to force us into losec or 0.0! We are the miners and producers and traders that make PvP possible, give us a good living in Empire with Decent protection from Concord and let the Pirates and anti-pirates play outside empire.
United we stand, divided we fall. Lets hear from all the carebears out there! Flamers will be ignored and ridiculed as the piratical losers they are (unless they have a fat wallet and want to buy lots of gear!)
Forced? Forced? So what are CCP doing? Changing it so that all players are auto-concorded after they're 3 months old? Setting 100% transacation taxes? Dectupling faction hits? How are you being forced out of hi-sec?
Or... are you being "forced" to accept a little less reward to balance the greatly reduced risk in hi-sec these days, as befits the safe "starter" areas in every other game out there?
You got your concord buffs (several), you got your war-dec nerfs, you got your suicide gank nerf, you got your LP store... now it's time for you to accept that you have to give a little back.
This
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.29 11:27:00 -
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Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 29/10/2008 11:35:26
Excuse me, but I do not see any indications of CCP forcing us to go anywhere? They are encouraging us, granted, and I hope for even more encouragement in the future.
You will not see CCP remove all level 4 agents to low sec as that would be an utterly stupid game design and business move (for obvious reasons). But they may tweak the reward ratio between high and low sec a bit, which btw. can be done in many ways. My guess would be loot wise, though my ideal would be missions that would only be provided by low sec agents and where designed with low sec in mind. That means designing them in such a way that mission runners not would be a sitting duck for a group of pirates but provide a challenge for all parties.
Lets not forget that some of us actually do work in low sec already, and I am personally quite happy not to see it completely overcrowded.
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.29 11:29:00 -
[45]
Originally by: RedSplat
Yeah...because some guy sitting in a highsec belt in his Hulk, perfectly safe, and mining Veldspar all day helps make EVE a better game and enriches the community.
Do you know what these individuals backgrounds are. I for one have done this activity and would like to believe that the trit I sold had some impact on the economy around me. That I helped shape the EVE lives of noobs I saw in belts mining in barges or taking loot from NPC that were not theirs. Are you sure these miners are also not producing ships, modules, or rigs that you use to scan, loot, and salvage with?
CCP has tried to create a game that tries to mimic the potential dynamics of a space society.
-Is it so hard to think that something would go on in areas of higher security that individuals of evil intentions would have a very hard time to interupt?
-Is it so hard to imagin that in areas of high population that the most profitable Empire protection (that is what I RP see high sec missiong as) would be significantly less profitiable then in low sec due to higher populations?
-Is it hard to see the potential of having certain agents and services moved around to either accomodate a growing population in a system, to decrease traffic in another system, to increase protection of certain systems affected by FW?
I mean the list can go on and on, but why can people not just log in and play even if the rules have changed. Rules tend not to be completely static in most games unless you are talking about board games. Have we not learned to deal with the ever changing world of games?
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
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TimMc
Gallente
The Motley Crew
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Posted - 2008.10.29 11:32:00 -
[46]
If anything with the concord buffs, harsher suicide gank penalties and 0% npc tax, you carebears are being encouraged to stay safe in high sec.
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Anson Halleck
Lost Eden
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Posted - 2008.10.29 11:37:00 -
[47]
If Mostly Amazing really represents "the REAL Eve Online playerbase", then I am very proud to join the carebears camp.
Anyway @OP, I am trading, building and market PvPing in Eve for about 3.5 years now and I don't feel being pushed by CCP to anywhere. However I agree with you - it should not change. 
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Malcanis
RuffRyders
Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.29 11:46:00 -
[48]
Originally by: TimMc
If anything with the concord buffs, harsher suicide gank penalties and 0% npc tax, you carebears are being encouraged to stay safe in high sec.
In fact by their logic we're being "forced" out of 0.0
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Doonoo Boonoo
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.29 11:54:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: TimMc
If anything with the concord buffs, harsher suicide gank penalties and 0% npc tax, you carebears are being encouraged to stay safe in high sec.
In fact by their logic we're being "forced" out of 0.0
Nobody is being forced to do anything . That's the beauty of Eve. People can do what they want, when they want, how they want and your non stop bleating at how unfair it all is won't change anything. That's why it's such a great game
You sound like some whiney Carebear in reverse.
To cut a long story short- You don't getthe point of this game and neither do the Carebears.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.10.29 11:59:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 29/10/2008 11:59:33
Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
To cut a long story short- You don't getthe point of this game and neither do the Carebears.
So please do tell what IS the point?
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Doonoo Boonoo
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.29 12:06:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 29/10/2008 11:59:33
Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
To cut a long story short- You don't getthe point of this game and neither do the Carebears.
So please do tell what IS the point?
If you can't figure it out yourself I suggest you quit. Or are you like Mental Malc and the Carebears and think that 'your' way of playing is the right way and anybody not playing 'your' Eve shouldn't be here?
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Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.10.29 12:07:00 -
[52]
Does drinking booze whilst spinning ships round in my hangar make me a carebear? If so sign me up!
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.10.29 12:11:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 29/10/2008 12:12:48
Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 29/10/2008 11:59:33
Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
To cut a long story short- You don't getthe point of this game and neither do the Carebears.
So please do tell what IS the point?
If you can't figure it out yourself I suggest you quit. Or are you like Mental Malc and the Carebears and think that 'your' way of playing is the right way and anybody not playing 'your' Eve shouldn't be here?
You're acting like a woman; "If you don't know, i won't tell!!".
Fine, we're through, go to your mothers house
Jsut asking what YOU think is the point as you obviously know it. Don't avoid the subject, it's a simple question. I'll offer my answer to your question right after.
Because judging by your "carebears think their way is only way" generalization, you miss the point as much.
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Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.10.29 12:17:00 -
[54]
Carebears from what i gather, are those who try and avoid confrontation as much as possible.
Which is interesting, as to 99% of people that is damned good advice. Sane = carebear.
OKAY!
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Slide
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Posted - 2008.10.29 12:17:00 -
[55]
> Mostly Amazing < Rating at trollin = Epic fail.
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Gonada
Priory Of The Lemon
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Posted - 2008.10.29 12:18:00 -
[56]
pathetic looser carebears have ruined every game to date.
gtf out of our game
Please, jump into traffic
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Malcanis
RuffRyders
Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.29 12:24:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Rhatar Khurin
Carebears from what i gather, are those who try and avoid confrontation as much as possible.
Which is interesting, as to 99% of people that is damned good advice. Sane = carebear.
OKAY!
No, carebears are those who believe that they are entitled to avoid any confrontation without any effort or expense on their part.
There are lots of miners, ratters, haulers, traders, industrialists, etc, who do their thing while watching local, fitting their ships appropriately, employing teamwork, using bookmarks and safespots, and generally playing the game, and no-one I know has any problem whatsoever with such people. In fact I engage in such activities myself.
And then there are those who believe that it is morally wrong to subject them to risk, that they should be "allowed to play the game how they want" - meaning they should be free compete with other professions who don't get the subsidy of free NPC security while still making at least as much ISK. I have a huge problem with such people.
They feel that they are entitled to the best ships, modules and implants in the game while at the same time being entitled to own them in perfect safety.
That sense of entitlement is what marks out a carebear.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.29 12:25:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 29/10/2008 12:25:50
Originally by: Gonada
pathetic looser carebears have ruined every game to date.
gtf out of our game
I do feel a bit loose today.
EDIT: I excuse in advance for the poor grammar joke.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.10.29 12:35:00 -
[59]
Interesting variation in "the point" and "carebear" terms.
We're all carebears and missing the point, that's more elusive then britney spears' virginity, by the end of the day
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W3370Pi4
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.29 12:38:00 -
[60]
Edited by: W3370Pi4 on 29/10/2008 12:38:55
you are in an NPC corp = PHail
im a 0.0 miner
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Malcanis
RuffRyders
Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.29 13:02:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Rhatar Khurin
Carebears from what i gather, are those who try and avoid confrontation as much as possible.
Which is interesting, as to 99% of people that is damned good advice. Sane = carebear.
OKAY!
Re: sanity & confrontation - Yes, but you're missing the point. Carebears are the type of guys who mouth off to some huge dude in the bar and then expect someone else to get them out of trouble. It's never their fault that they get the **** kicked out of them. It's never their repsonsibility to ensure their own safety or watch what they say and to whom. It's never their ass that should be on the line because it can't cash the cheque their mouth just wrote.
EvE has plenty of such people - just ask TRAPS.
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bowk
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.10.29 13:03:00 -
[62]
Originally by: joxter
I am a carebear and am proud! Sign up below if you are a carebear and want CCP to stop trying to force us into losec or 0.0! We are the miners and producers and traders that make PvP possible, give us a good living in Empire with Decent protection from Concord and let the Pirates and anti-pirates play outside empire.
United we stand, divided we fall. Lets hear from all the carebears out there! Flamers will be ignored and ridiculed as the piratical losers they are (unless they have a fat wallet and want to buy lots of gear!)
Nope. Plenty of pvp'rs out there have alts who do the mining/trading/producing stuff, how do you think they make their isk ?
Moving lvl4 missions to lowsec, and as a consequence loosing the lvl4 carebears over this move, would probably only have a neglible effect on eve's economy, but probably would distribute more evenly the userload over the different servers were eve runs on...
So all good for me.
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Xeronn
Amarr
Ordo Drakonis
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.29 13:22:00 -
[63]
bashing the activity such as missioning/mining/trading is wrong, all these have a part in eve just as much as PvP...however! Concord and NPC corps need to go away!
everyone loves a strong industry on there side, but hell wasnt eve about player interaction, players shaping the galaxy and not some ****ed up wow-style NPC hand-holding?
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2008.10.29 13:26:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Xeronn
bashing the activity such as missioning/mining/trading is wrong, all these have a part in eve just as much as PvP...however! Concord and NPC corps need to go away!
everyone loves a strong industry on there side, but hell wasnt eve about player interaction, players shaping the galaxy and not some ****ed up wow-style NPC hand-holding?
Alot of people fail to see how industry and PvP couldn't exist without eachother. Quite amusing to see one side bash the other without realising they're barking at the hand that feed them. 
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Xeronn
Amarr
Ordo Drakonis
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.29 13:34:00 -
[65]
heh ...right
The high-sec missioner who wants to run missions ALL ALONE never interupted finds any attempt at geting him to play with other players unfair so he, argues with the PvP`er who wants to gank all day long ALL ALONE and finds it unfair to be blobed , expecting ofcourse ships that can gank AND run away from any fight
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Shintai
Gallente
Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.10.29 13:36:00 -
[66]
Originally by: joxter
I am a carebear and am proud! Sign up below if you are a carebear and want CCP to stop trying to force us into losec or 0.0! We are the miners and producers and traders that make PvP possible, give us a good living in Empire with Decent protection from Concord and let the Pirates and anti-pirates play outside empire.
United we stand, divided we fall. Lets hear from all the carebears out there! Flamers will be ignored and ridiculed as the piratical losers they are (unless they have a fat wallet and want to buy lots of gear!)
When did CCP try and force you?
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fuxinos
Caldari
Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2008.10.29 13:39:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Mostly Amazing
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Mostly Amazing
Just because you pay your subscription, doesn't mean you are a real EVE player.
Definition of a carebear:
"A person who's activities in EVE can be completely substituted by a macro since they require no player interaction or creative thinking in any way"
So, a gatecamper by your definition is a carebear?
0.0 ratter/miner?
While a market fiddler etc can't be a carebear.
You can say all you want, my definition still stands.
I would rather have a world filled with chinese ISK farmers, because at least they put themselves into risky situation ratting in 0.0 and no matter how bad their english is, at least they attempt to make conversation with you in local.
good that ccp developed the game and not you, seriously.
players play the game the way ccp desinged it and want it, not like you want it :)
if u dont like it, play another game :)
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Cincannatus
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Posted - 2008.10.29 13:40:00 -
[68]
Personally i think
'carebears' should just stop supplying
'real eve players'.
As soon as the latter stop getting ships made for them, and selling overpriced faction tat in empire by former....eg faction LARs for 2bill plus (wtf?)
then eve will be a much saner place.
But it does puzzle me how a game dominated by free market economics has so many players who have little to no idea of the interaction within the playerbase to make the game as it is.
And let's not beat about the bush, it is obvious to one and all that Empire subsidises 0.0, not the other way around. If 0.0 'real' eve players had to survive without empire, they'd be a lot less prone to gratituous pvp and actually partake in meaningful encounters, and husband their resources more.
As it is, they can just pvp, lose a billion eventually, and find some faction tat to sell back to empire, keeping their own economy going.
But hey what do i know.
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baltec1
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.29 14:13:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Mostly Amazing
Originally by: Heptameron
Originally by: Mostly Amazing
Just because you pay your subscription, doesn't mean you are a real EVE player.
Definition of a carebear:
"A person who's activities in EVE can be completely substituted by a macro since they require no player interaction or creative thinking in any way"
That's the biggest pile of pooh quote i've seen in a while... did you make that up yourself? My quote is from the site header so it's official rather than some ******ed individual view as is yours.
You can keep "quoting official quotes", but my definition of a carebear still stands.
I invite any carebear to prove me wrong by telling me how they are not following my definition.
Industrialist with teeth.
Angry carebear
hauler blob...
Just because we dont pvp all the time doesnt mean we dont have balls of steel.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.10.29 14:26:00 -
[70]
Maybe you should first agree on a definition for "Carebear" before you discuss about them. This would avoid pointless arguing. Then again, pointless arguing might be the point of this thread.
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Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.29 14:32:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Abrazzar
Maybe you should first agree on a definition for "Carebear" before you discuss about them. This would avoid pointless arguing. Then again, pointless arguing might be the point of this thread.
Internet forum! duh! :P hehe
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Esmenet
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Posted - 2008.10.29 14:50:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Xeronn
bashing the activity such as missioning/mining/trading is wrong, all these have a part in eve just as much as PvP...however! Concord and NPC corps need to go away!
everyone loves a strong industry on there side, but hell wasnt eve about player interaction, players shaping the galaxy and not some ****ed up wow-style NPC hand-holding?
Alot of people fail to see how industry and PvP couldn't exist without eachother. Quite amusing to see one side bash the other without realising they're barking at the hand that feed them.
Actually there are a lot of pvp'ers that do industry "on the side", and industry players that understand the concept of risk. The problem is the pure pve players that thinks they should be able to play in perfect safety(provided by ccp) while still having an economic impact on the game.
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Faife
Noctiscion
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Posted - 2008.10.29 14:50:00 -
[73]
i'm a carebear most the time i guess, in asmuch as i live in 0.0 and try not to get shot unless i can win, *shrug*
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Waah
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Posted - 2008.10.29 14:59:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Esmenet
Sure just ask ccp to make a PVE server.
I wish they would. Consensual PvP should have been the way this game was based from the beginning and given how much support for that Eve has in the game already I don't see why it isn't done now. I say do away with lowsec and make it pure faction/corp war/flagged PvP.
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Esmenet
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Posted - 2008.10.29 15:01:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Esmenet on 29/10/2008 15:02:08
Originally by: Waah
Originally by: Esmenet
Sure just ask ccp to make a PVE server.
I wish they would. Consensual PvP should have been the way this game was based from the beginning and given how much support for that Eve has in the game already I don't see why it isn't done now. I say do away with lowsec and make it pure faction/corp war/flagged PvP.
Yes sadly the way the game is going i think this is the only solution. Make a PVE server and allow carebears to transfer over to it before they ruin the game.
The single server used to be one of the selling points of the game, but its approaching a point where you have to choose between two "evils". I think a lot of people will regret moving though once they see how EVE is on a pve server.
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Angel Lightbringer
Dark Evolution Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.29 15:03:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Mostly Amazing
3. Whines on the forum.
ORLY?
Reading he forum extensively in the past couple months, carebears ain't the most vocal really.. re-read your data...
/fail...
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Tippia
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.10.29 15:10:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Esmenet
Yes sadly the way the game is going i think this is the only solution. Make a PVE server and allow carebears to transfer over to it before they ruin the game.
Moving the carebears over to a separate server would indeed ruin the game, on both servers.
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Esmenet
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Posted - 2008.10.29 15:12:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Esmenet on 29/10/2008 15:16:26
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Esmenet
Yes sadly the way the game is going i think this is the only solution. Make a PVE server and allow carebears to transfer over to it before they ruin the game.
Moving the carebears over to a separate server would indeed ruin the game, on both servers.
No, only the PVE server. Most pvp'ers also do some form of industry.
There are also quite a few PVE players that understand the concept of risk that probably would stay in the PVP server. The pvp server would probably be a lot better as i have a feeling we would get more movement and life in 0.0.
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Lerand Gaunt
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Posted - 2008.10.29 15:27:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Xeronn
bashing the activity such as missioning/mining/trading is wrong, all these have a part in eve just as much as PvP...however! Concord and NPC corps need to go away!
Heh. You clearly havn't been here from the start. CCP has tried that allready and it failed misarabely (read: griever gangs forced people to stay docked in 1.0 space => massive subscription loss). To enliten you, there were no Concord retaliation in any form at the launch. CCP dreamed that the players would "keep the space safe".
Originally by: Esmenet
Actually there are a lot of pvp'ers that do industry "on the side", and industry players that understand the concept of risk. The problem is the pure pve players that thinks they should be able to play in perfect safety(provided by ccp) while still having an economic impact on the game.
Far, far away from the truth. Majority of carebears, pvpers and other playinstylists understand that there is or should be some risk in every aspect you do in eve. marketing, construction, transportation, missioning. You name it. Some have more risk and some less.
Some aspects unfortunately fail to fullfill these expectations. Hisec ganking was one of these at some point, not sure if it is anymore as there hasn't been much talk about it for some time.
It's the people who detest every other aspect except what they are doing that infest the forums. And these people can be found both in carebear and in pvp sides of the conversation. Usually trying to convince other with false of sometime even plain stupid excuses. For example: True, it is less risky to mine veld in 1.0 than it is to farm 10/10 complex. What (some) people seem to forget that it also yields only a tiny fraction of the money complex farming does.
Oh, btw, you do realise that you statement can be turned another way around:
"The problem is the pure pvp players that think they should be able to freely kill and grief any player they choose without any retaliation (by CCP or NPC Corp) and still have economic and playerbase impact on this game." |
Tiirae
The New Era
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.10.29 15:45:00 -
[80]
This is the worst thread I've seen in quite some time.
How can two groups of people not see that they need each other? This game would be a pile of crap without carebears, and just as bad without fighters.
Not only that, but there's probably less than 1% of pvp'ers who don't regularly grind missions, rat, plex, or mine to make money to buy stuff.
to the OP: if you want to demonstrate to the pirates and griefers how important you are to this game, the best thing the carebears can do is not log on for a month. Once a drake reaches a billion isk to buy they would be begging for you to return.
The same applies in reverse.
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Esmenet
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Posted - 2008.10.29 15:50:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Tiirae
to the OP: if you want to demonstrate to the pirates and griefers how important you are to this game, the best thing the carebears can do is not log on for a month. Once a drake reaches a billion isk to buy they would be begging for you to return.
The same applies in reverse.
As a pvp'er i would love this. Then i could get more use out of my industry skills.
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Dmian
Gallente
Gallenterrorisme
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Posted - 2008.10.29 15:52:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Tiirae
This is the worst thread I've seen in quite some time.
Ditto.
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Posted - 2008.10.29 15:56:00 -
[83]
As long as PvP pilots control the entrance and exit to every useful lowsec or nullsec system, maintain vast economic empires, and are in no lack for targets as long as they're willing to park at a high-traffic gate, I see no reason why they should object to those of us who don't care for that aspect of the game. I play for my own entertainment, and I'm thankful that CCP recognizes a great many of us are not entertained by being bullied by corporations with far more resources, putting them in a category where we couldn't legitimately compete with them even if we were so inclined.
What difference does it make if I play the game for the content rather than interacting with people whose playstyle I find unsavory, at best? It hurts no one if I want to run missions, watch the market, or simply sit in station and chat all day, without being bothered by every gatecamper with a web and scram who fancies himself a notorious pirate.
There's really nothing CCP could possibly do to encourage me to spend any significant amount of time in lowsec, as I have no desire to join someone else's corp for protection, where I'll be subjected to their wars and the sh*t they step in, paying taxes for their goals in EVE rather than my own. All I really want is a relaxing time sink for my $15 per month, and being ganked is a far cry from relaxing.
I don't begrudge anyone their right to beat the crap out of each other, if that's your thing. I do take issue with people who insist that I have to participate in that activity as a whipping boy because you want the easy merchant target rather than a combat pilot who came out to lowsec ready to deal with your bullsh*t. The fact is, for every PvP pilot complaining that carebears don't hand ourselves over to be freely ganked, I can show you a "l33t PvP'er" who beats a hasty retreat whenever someone with the guns to defend himself arrives on the scene.
EVE is a game. If PvP isn't fun, don't do it. If carebearing isn't fun, don't do it. Don't b*tch and moan about how the other guy isn't in it for your fun, though. Every man is playing for himself here.
...and yes, this post was made with an alt in an NPC corp just to annoy some of you who look down upon that.
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Slide
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Posted - 2008.10.29 15:58:00 -
[84]
Edited by: Slide on 29/10/2008 16:04:05
There are as many PvE carebears as there are PvP carebears. Lately i had been traveling through 0.0 space to do some bussenis, i whas in a shuttle and got shot + podded by a perfect stranger. When i asked why, he answered; because i could. The challange and or gains for him to shoot and pod me in a shuttle whas zero. Just because he played the PvP part of the game does not make him a smarter or better player. I didn't mind what he whas doing, it whas his fun as i have mine.
I play mainly PvE in this game with a industrial touch, i love it, i do not mind risk either and usualy keep my eyes open wherever i am. I love this game because the variety of "save and hostile" space and all the areas inbetween. I am happy its not only a "spaceshipshooter", as someone mentioned before.
Well said Noriko Rei 
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Bobbeh
Minmatar
Navy of Xoc
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:01:00 -
[85]
As per most mmo's PvE is a means to an end... Maybe not your end but an end. Sure your a big alliance cap pilot. Half your ships were prolly produced by "carebears" at least partially. I know most Pos fuel is mined by "Carebears."
In any mmo where you can produce items of high quality, a carebear is to some extent clothing, equiping,or fitting. At least one pvp player whether its theirs or not.
FW was CCP's most recent attempt to open the doors of PvP to the PvE players, by incorperating PvE elements to it.
Carebears are a vital part of the Eve Cycle..... and they gimme someone to shoot when im real bored....
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Esmenet
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:15:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Noriko Rei
What difference does it make if I play the game for the content rather than interacting with people whose playstyle I find unsavory, at best? It hurts no one if I want to run missions, watch the market, or simply sit in station and chat all day, without being bothered by every gatecamper with a web and scram who fancies himself a notorious pirate.
You are very wrong. The ability to play in perfect safety and still make competitive isk hurts the game a lot because it separates the pvp and the isk generating activities into two different worlds.
Tusko hopkins made an excellent thread in the assembly hall forum where he shows many of the same points from a different angle:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=907751
EVE pvp is turning from a war over resources into a wow-style battleground.
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Noriko Rei
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:34:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Esmenet
Originally by: Noriko Rei
What difference does it make if I play the game for the content rather than interacting with people whose playstyle I find unsavory, at best? It hurts no one if I want to run missions, watch the market, or simply sit in station and chat all day, without being bothered by every gatecamper with a web and scram who fancies himself a notorious pirate.
You are very wrong. The ability to play in perfect safety and still make competitive isk hurts the game a lot because it separates the pvp and the isk generating activities into two different worlds.
Tusko hopkins made an excellent thread in the assembly hall forum where he shows many of the same points from a different angle:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=907751
EVE pvp is turning from a war over resources into a wow-style battleground.
Anyone can waltz into deadspace where some carebear is running missions, steal all the loot and salvage all the wrecks with impunity for all practical purposes. Many carebears aren't going to bother fighting back, even if the thieves are flagged, due to the fact that many are taking advantage of that game mechanic to draw carebears into PvP. Therefore, carebears are damned if they do and damned if they don't, and CCP has given you plenty of ways to ruin carebear fun; it's just never enough, is it?
You won't be satisfied until everyone is required to play your way, and that is exactly the sort of mentality that drives people to other games. While you may encourage people to leave for WoW, CCP would probably like to retain their playerbase, and if doing so only requires that they throw us a small bone in not allowing you to make slaves of the whole community, then I'm sure they'll continue to throw us that bone.
It's hard enough to enjoy the game with people like you trying to force everyone to compete with you on grossly uneven terms, so I doubt CCP is going to make it worse. No matter how much you can't stand it, there will always be casual solo carebears like me who aren't playing for PvP, and wouldn't stand a chance at winning if we were.
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THISISNT NAM
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:39:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
the guy who logs in to chat about football.
I hate that guy
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Norrin Ellis
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:44:00 -
[89]
Originally by: THISISNT NAM
I hate that guy
Is your name taken from The Big Lebowski?
"This isn't 'Nam, Walter! There are rules!"
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Sebea
Bottomfeeders Science and Research
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Posted - 2008.10.29 17:56:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Mission runners, can't do with macro, too much variables, need to think or pop(especially in later levels).
Market "runner", can't do with macro, need to think MORE then a gatecamper. From a numeral, accounting, etc point of view.
actually, there are tons of guys using market macros, seriously, watch the clockwork efficiency that certain sell orders change, and well, as far as mission macros go, its not really that hard, i mean, the guy probably needs to be semi at the cpu, to jump the acceleration gates, but once in, a macro could probably easily deal with the rats therein.
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Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.29 18:11:00 -
[91]
Originally by: CALUGARU
who said that carebears don't go to 0.0? in 0.0 are the MOST carebears. when 300 people are in an alliance online, 200 are npcing. anyway.
go ccp! get em' all into low sec! this is eveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
The difference is the carebears in 0.0 dont have an aneurysm everytime they die the way empire carebears do.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.10.29 18:13:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Sebea
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Mission runners, can't do with macro, too much variables, need to think or pop(especially in later levels).
Market "runner", can't do with macro, need to think MORE then a gatecamper. From a numeral, accounting, etc point of view.
actually, there are tons of guys using market macros, seriously, watch the clockwork efficiency that certain sell orders change, and well, as far as mission macros go, its not really that hard, i mean, the guy probably needs to be semi at the cpu, to jump the acceleration gates, but once in, a macro could probably easily deal with the rats therein.
Anything can be done with macro, even PVP when pushed.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.10.29 18:20:00 -
[93]
Originally by: HENODE PRAVIA
Originally by: Mostly Amazing
Go play WoW. That's the game you are looking for.
EVE Online is a spaceshipbattlegame.
You sit in 5 stations with 5 accounts checking markets all day and comparing them with eachother. You don't need an MMO for that.
Perhaps someday CCP will make a bear version of EVE that you can play offline.
You need to mature...
I've saw a lot much carebears in 0.0 than in hisec, where are also the alts of that "hardcore forums PvP's" farming lvls 4....
Real PvP'rs in any MMO don't have any concerns about carebears.
it's simply the freedom of choice playstile & respect
I farm level 4s with my main 
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Spurty
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.10.29 18:23:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Esmenet
Sure just ask ccp to make a PVE server.
lol, they do that, then all the PVP'ers will complain that they can't afford ships any more as they lost too many ways to make isk to buy stuff.
Man goes to the doc, with a strawberry growing out of his head. Doc says "I'll give you some cream to put on it." |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.10.29 18:23:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Mostly Amazing
You can keep "quoting official quotes", but my definition of a carebear still stands.
I invite any carebear to prove me wrong by telling me how they are not following my definition.
Mission runners, can't do with macro, too much variables, need to think or pop(especially in later levels).
Market "runner", can't do with macro, need to think MORE then a gatecamper. From a numeral, accounting, etc point of view.
Just as an example.
Still haven't answered anything i said, for example;
What do YOU do? And who's your daddy?
I will disagree with the mission runner bit. too many missions put out too much loldps
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Leto Atraities
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Posted - 2008.10.29 18:55:00 -
[96]
i don't get it!
everyone here "PAYS" to play this game the way we all see fit sice after all we are.....ummmmm......"PAYING" for it! as long as we all play within the dynamics of this game ( yes CCP did make a carebare kingdom as well as gettin your yaaarrrr on down in low sec ) then how can either side be grippin on each other? can't fault each other for playing the way ya wanna play for witch ( yes i'm gonna say it again ) we all "PAY" for.
so i say "hey! your paying for it! so be happy with it!"
now can't we all just get along?
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Sarabearrah
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.29 18:56:00 -
[97]
I have been playing for a little over 3 months, mostly mining, so I guess that makes me a "carebear".
Just a few days ago I finally got enough isk saved to get a hulk where I mine in 0.6~0.7 in person, not a macro.
I don't bother anyone, most of the ore I mine is for manufacture and to add more ships and items to make the game more enjoyable. Maybe, in time, when my skills are more advanced I may want to move into PvP...who knows.
The game has blossomed into many things for me, mining, missions, manufacture, trade and even a little exploration.
I don't feel any pressure from anyone to be or do anything I don't want, heck I don't even mind being called a "carebear" if that is what I am.
I dont understand why people feel the need to put down another persons likes or dislikes.......what real purpose does that serve?
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KISOGOKU
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Posted - 2008.10.29 19:43:00 -
[98]
Edited by: KISOGOKU on 29/10/2008 19:43:58
Forum wh***ing ,we have some forum warriors competing each others to have most post per day or total psot count instead playing game they spend their time at forums .
I could not decide which one is worse Akita or Malkanis?
Originally by: Sarabearrah
I dont understand why people feel the need to put down another persons likes or dislikes.......what real purpose does that serve?
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THISISNT NAM
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Posted - 2008.10.29 19:48:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Norrin Ellis
Originally by: THISISNT NAM
I hate that guy
Is your name taken from The Big Lebowski?
"This isn't 'Nam, Walter! There are rules!"
Very good - you're only the second guy in Eve to get that.
~the Dude abides.
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Chubbins McChub
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Posted - 2008.10.29 19:57:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Mostly Amazing
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
I would be oke with that if they didn't bother the real EVE playerbase:
1. But thanks to all the bears the server is heavily loaded with these kinds of bearish activities decreasing performance for us.
2. Petitions are full of "ohno my shuttle bpc has dissappeared, can u return it please?".
3. Whines on the forum.
4. Their own expansion.
1. REAL players vs fake players. Have you been drinking the same Kool-aid Palin drank from when talking about "real America"?
2. You better hope and pray that all the carebears' blueprints stay nice and safe, or you will have nothing to fly.
3. PvP'ers whine more than any other demographic, across all games and genres.
4. Oh noes, one expansion out of ten that does something for industrialists! Heaven forbid.
Bottom line: Carebears make the world go 'round. No carebears = no industry or mining = no ships, mods, ammo, fuel, or tech 2 anything = no PvP for the rest of us.
I'm not a carebear, but I love them all to death. They keep my costs low and the economy humming.
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Tellnan Matkiel
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.29 20:00:00 -
[101]
Originally by: RedSplat
Yeah...because some guy sitting in a highsec belt in his Hulk, perfectly safe, and mining Veldspar all day helps make EVE a better game and enriches the community.
Mmm, you do realise you have almost perfectly just described Chribba right? OK, he does it in a high-sec dreadnought, which means in even greater safety than a guy in a Hulk, but the point is the same.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2008.10.29 20:04:00 -
[102]
Can't we all agree that like it or not, we're all stuck together. Carebears want more protection from ebil pirates and other internets jerks. PvPers want to be able to shoot more carebears and steal their delicious loots.
Both are important - who wants to guess how many ships per day would be lost and rebought in PvE EVE? How many ships would be built per day in PvP EVE? You need each other, man!
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The unofficial faceless Achura alt of EVE Online
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Siberys
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.10.29 20:11:00 -
[103]
Edited by: Siberys on 29/10/2008 20:11:25
I haz perfect image:
http://fc12.deviantart.com/fs34/f/2008/303/0/e/IMG_Recruitment_Poster_by_BloodwyrmExtremist.jpg
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This be my sig.
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Malcanis
RuffRyders
Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.29 20:11:00 -
[104]
Originally by: KISOGOKU
Edited by: KISOGOKU on 29/10/2008 19:43:58
Forum wh***ing ,we have some forum warriors competing each others to have most post per day or total psot count instead playing game they spend their time at forums .
I could not decide which one is worse Akita or Malkanis?
Originally by: Sarabearrah
I dont understand why people feel the need to put down another persons likes or dislikes.......what real purpose does that serve?
IIRC, Akita is provably worse.
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Julius Rigel
House Rigel
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Posted - 2008.10.29 21:33:00 -
[105]
Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar
I say lets give all carebears free carebeer (0.0% alcohol of course).
I'll take one of those! No wait... I don't drink. 
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Gamer4liff
Caldari
Metalworks
THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2008.10.29 22:45:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Gamer4liff on 29/10/2008 22:48:42
Finally, I get the perfect chance to post this:
Not that I agree with it mind, I'm an industrialist myself.
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Takon Orlani
Caldari
Chaos Monkeys
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Posted - 2008.10.29 22:48:00 -
[107]
Nobody's forcing you. We just want to make more money than you do playing it safe.
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.29 23:34:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Mostly Amazing
You can say all you want, my definition still stands.
I would rather have a world filled with chinese ISK farmers, because at least they put themselves into risky situation ratting in 0.0 and no matter how bad their english is, at least they attempt to make conversation with you in local.
yeah, that's all it is - YOUR definition.
doesn't make it worth anything to anyone else.
at all.
man, your name is just SO far off base...
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ramification
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Posted - 2008.10.30 01:18:00 -
[109]
On the most basic, fundamental level, Eve's economy would not work without PvE. Bounties from PvE and mission rewards is the only way new currency is injected into Eve's economy. Mining and manufacture, and even ratting only produce goods, not the means to buy them. Isk is constantly leaving the Eve economy via the sales and transaction taxes, and it has to be replaced.
Without PvE the value of the isk go up rapidly, and it would become impractical to spend money on goods and services. The value of the faction goodies PvPers sell would plummet, and the reduction in the amount of free isk in the system would make it difficult to sell anything for a profit. Even if CCP removed all taxes to prevent isk from leaving the system, the absence of a source of new currency would end with what would be to all intents and purposes a medieval economy, as the wealthiest would soon wind up owning a larger and larger proportion of the overall economy as the neutral revenue stream facilitating competition with them would have disappeared.
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