Ok. SImple question, can someone answer this: Why do armor repairers repair less than shield boosters? And why does a myrm with repair bonus have to equip 3 reppers just to be able to tank anything properly?

Now GO!! Discuss !!

(Pilots who are here to say "because Gallente suck" can **** off)

Thank you.

Because armour Gëá shields.

Because variety is a good thing, contrary to popular belief

Because armor repairers give 33,3% more repair per capacitor.
Armor repairers are supposed to be cap stable while shield boosters are burst style reps.

deal with it

by comparing an active tank talos to an active tank frigate i was basically saying that in the presence of anything other than a frigate, the talos is pretty much dead ... but ok

Because variety is a good thing, contrary to popular belief

coolbeans, so at the end, both have it's advantages and disadvantages ... nice ...

Anyways, the only effectively armor repper gallente ships that i know are the myrmidon and hyperion because they have the bonus. Does that mean that every other gallente ship should be buffer tank?

I've seen some gallente ships with repairs module but for the majority, ships such as the vexor, thorax, dominix or the megathron, I've never seen anyone fit reppers on them when pvp. Does that mean that these ships are better off buffer tanking and not active tanking?

Have YOU ever fit reppers on these ships when pvping? If so then how did that work?

(I tried active tanking a Talos ... it's the equivalent of active tanking a frigate)

While I admit I may be EFT warrioring a bit, you cannot deny the depressing number for a dual armor repairer tank compared to weapon DPS numbers that can come out these days. This is why you see a shield buffer brutix, now. It really sickens me to see it.

"Kil2 Megathron" with 2x1600 plates + 1 LRAR. Fits Ions, Electrons and a large neut in the high slots.

The Hyperion has enough slots for both damage mods AND reppers ... so why not armor tank it? Shield tanking it would only increase the enormous sig res that it already has and fill up the med slots that could be used for tackling mod ...

"Kil2 Megathron" with 2x1600 plates + 1 LRAR. Fits Ions, Electrons and a large neut in the high slots.

The thing is, the Hyp really doesn't have enough lows for a competitive number of damage mods+dual rep. The extra mid is nice for injectors, but it would want one more low for an "ideal" dual rep/damage layout and would most definitely need another low for a full buffer fit.

This is actually the case on many Gallente active armor-bonused ships: they are short a low but long on mids. This forces either a dual rep bleeder setup, which sometimes works, or a shield buffer gank setup, which also sometimes works.

I'm actually fond of the options it presents. The major issue comes in when those ships need to fit armor resist tanks (for work with Logis). They lack the lows to get resists up and lack the bonus to resists that Amarr tank-bonused ships have, meaning Logis have to work that much harder to keep them topped off.

Does this call for a nerf then? ... Anyone ... I say Gallente ships needs to fixed ... by CCP.

What would you nerf?

It seems the most common suggestion floating around these days is to give Gallente (and Caldari) ships a bonus to incoming remote reps in line with their self-repping bonuses. I'm ambivalent.

Caldari? I think you mean minmatar. Caldari gets a resistance bonus which is the best defensive bonus you can get.

armor tankers get more slots to tank since mids are free for props, tackle and injectors.

deal with it

What would you nerf

Shield tankers get more slots to tank since low slots are for damage mods, pop mods and TEs.

It's a bit misleading to speak about "Gallente ships" when referring to such different beasts as Brutix and Myrm.

Brutix is commonly shield tanked, because that way you can pump +1200dps out of it, while being reasonably mobile. True, it lacks the critical 6th slot to pull off a proper active tank, and by changing the rep bonus to a resist bonus could turn the Brutix into an interesting fleet BC. It is currently a wasted bonus imo, still some people fly it with reppers.

Myrmidon, on the other hand, does a ******* stellar active tank. Some people like the triplerep (a bit more tank at the expense of another web/other ewar), I prefer the dual rep. Both versions tank +500dps at worst, dual rep goes to 750dps against explosive dmg with Standard Exile. I love it, it's a boss. Check out Will Adama's latest episode in Eve is Easy for an example of what it can do.

I dropped a dual rep Hype against Tuskers the other night, and while the reps it pulled looked incredible (was with links and S.Exile), I'm not super convinced about it's performance, I felt it needs a bit more buffer- one more slot would do wonders, I'd probably put a plate on it and gimp the guns. Mind you their gang had a Mega and a Hype among bcs, so the incoming dps wasn't exactly minmatar-lolclass either.

Ishtar, Mega and Domi, like mentioned by Hrett, are not bonused ships but still work well with reppers. In general I think active armor is more common than active shield in PVP.

Active armor tanking frigs also works very well, they are also super fun to fly

Remember to try the ships on Tranquility before making blanket statements