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Borsig Rheinmetall
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Posted - 2004.07.08 22:38:00 -
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Edited by: Borsig Rheinmetall on 09/07/2004 00:05:24
Edited by: Borsig Rheinmetall on 08/07/2004 22:40:09
Was taking the ability to jam NPC's away, today, planned and intentional or not???
You increase BS defense. It now takes more torps than I care to count to kill a BS spawn of even the 500k -750 k nature..
THEN you decide to sneak out the abaility to jam them right out from under us without saying a word? And refuse to answer with a response? Rude. Very rude. POOR customer service.
Bottom line - The loot drops are worthless, the bounties are too low for any kind of profit, and now you take away thr EW ascpect. Slug it out or go home...
OK. I go home. I prefer to fit for EW. Both PvP and PVE. You take my option away, the game just got alot more boring for me. Frankly, its been going down that road for a while now. Keep steering, and you'll lose another customer.
I simply cant believe you did this.
moved from General so that TomB may find it sooner-Eris Discordia
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Borsig Rheinmetall
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Posted - 2004.07.08 22:38:00 -
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Edited by: Borsig Rheinmetall on 09/07/2004 00:05:24
Edited by: Borsig Rheinmetall on 08/07/2004 22:40:09
Was taking the ability to jam NPC's away, today, planned and intentional or not???
You increase BS defense. It now takes more torps than I care to count to kill a BS spawn of even the 500k -750 k nature..
THEN you decide to sneak out the abaility to jam them right out from under us without saying a word? And refuse to answer with a response? Rude. Very rude. POOR customer service.
Bottom line - The loot drops are worthless, the bounties are too low for any kind of profit, and now you take away thr EW ascpect. Slug it out or go home...
OK. I go home. I prefer to fit for EW. Both PvP and PVE. You take my option away, the game just got alot more boring for me. Frankly, its been going down that road for a while now. Keep steering, and you'll lose another customer.
I simply cant believe you did this.
moved from General so that TomB may find it sooner-Eris Discordia
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Kalki Nibiru
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Posted - 2004.07.08 22:52:00 -
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I think a dev might respond to this, so I will post this here.
I think the resistences and the defense output of the higher bount battleships need to be taken down a peg or two, because currently, if you are in a particular races ship, and are fighting against a ship tanked against your races damage, it becomes impossible to destroy the NPC ship. Case in point would be the Blood Patriarch and my megathron with 425 rails and plutonium, once I manage to get to the armor, their armor repairing matches my damage and we are at a stalemate (with the exception that I eventually run out of cap because I need to repair my armor, where as the NPC doesnt need to worry about cap).
I'm not to sure if this means that commanders need to be tweaked either, because I have not encountered one since the latest patch, but I suspect that they too will need their resistences lowered a bit.
Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate
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<Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market?
<Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with |
Kalki Nibiru
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Posted - 2004.07.08 22:52:00 -
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I think a dev might respond to this, so I will post this here.
I think the resistences and the defense output of the higher bount battleships need to be taken down a peg or two, because currently, if you are in a particular races ship, and are fighting against a ship tanked against your races damage, it becomes impossible to destroy the NPC ship. Case in point would be the Blood Patriarch and my megathron with 425 rails and plutonium, once I manage to get to the armor, their armor repairing matches my damage and we are at a stalemate (with the exception that I eventually run out of cap because I need to repair my armor, where as the NPC doesnt need to worry about cap).
I'm not to sure if this means that commanders need to be tweaked either, because I have not encountered one since the latest patch, but I suspect that they too will need their resistences lowered a bit.
Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate
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<Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market?
<Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with |
Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.08 22:58:00 -
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Edited by: Viceroy on 08/07/2004 23:00:31
Good change. NPCs were too easy to kill for too high a reward, this should balance it out a bit.
BTW: I'm not demanding anything so stop acting like you represent the whole community. I think you represent the people who want npcs to be little fluffy bunnies with modulated tachyons and 1.5mil bounties.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.08 22:58:00 -
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Edited by: Viceroy on 08/07/2004 23:00:31
Good change. NPCs were too easy to kill for too high a reward, this should balance it out a bit.
BTW: I'm not demanding anything so stop acting like you represent the whole community. I think you represent the people who want npcs to be little fluffy bunnies with modulated tachyons and 1.5mil bounties.
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Borsig Rheinmetall
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Posted - 2004.07.08 23:05:00 -
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Stop hijacking my thread and go back to your own.
Only reason youre even posting in here is to irritate me and stir more BS, because you didnt like my comments on the other thread. You will unlikely find a follwing in your opinions.
Leaving only one option, shield tank and slug is boring. Dumb NPCs that can only be beaten one way, are boring.
And stealth nerfs suck.
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Borsig Rheinmetall
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Posted - 2004.07.08 23:05:00 -
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Stop hijacking my thread and go back to your own.
Only reason youre even posting in here is to irritate me and stir more BS, because you didnt like my comments on the other thread. You will unlikely find a follwing in your opinions.
Leaving only one option, shield tank and slug is boring. Dumb NPCs that can only be beaten one way, are boring.
And stealth nerfs suck.
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Tebren
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Posted - 2004.07.08 23:10:00 -
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I'd rather not have a reactionist radical claim to speak for me either...
Battleships were becoming much too common and disturbingly easy to kill if you had any sort of skill, plus the loot drops were becoming too common rapidly devaluing them. It's a pity CCP didn't tell anyone, but quite frankly get over it. The bounties aren't too low, I suggest you find something a touch more profitable than shooting 3,000 ISK missiles at them instead of complaining needlessly.
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Tebren
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Posted - 2004.07.08 23:10:00 -
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I'd rather not have a reactionist radical claim to speak for me either...
Battleships were becoming much too common and disturbingly easy to kill if you had any sort of skill, plus the loot drops were becoming too common rapidly devaluing them. It's a pity CCP didn't tell anyone, but quite frankly get over it. The bounties aren't too low, I suggest you find something a touch more profitable than shooting 3,000 ISK missiles at them instead of complaining needlessly.
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Major Mayhem
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Posted - 2004.07.08 23:22:00 -
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Edited by: Major Mayhem on 08/07/2004 23:25:39
Is it terribly wrong to have BS spawns that represent the same sort of ships that average players use? Or is it right to have arcadish BS spawns that have no real basis in the game's reality? Invulnerability for NPC's, no matter what it is, detracts from the experience. There are players who specialize in all sorts of tactics, making NPC's invulnerable to some of those tactics destroys an aspect of the game. If the BS's are too easy to kill, when realistically vulnerable.....increase the number that spawn in.
On the same coin, when are high-level spawns actually going to start dropping stuff they use? I seriously doubt an Enforcer uses small ammunition and 10 mn MWD's.
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Major Mayhem
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Posted - 2004.07.08 23:22:00 -
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Edited by: Major Mayhem on 08/07/2004 23:25:39
Is it terribly wrong to have BS spawns that represent the same sort of ships that average players use? Or is it right to have arcadish BS spawns that have no real basis in the game's reality? Invulnerability for NPC's, no matter what it is, detracts from the experience. There are players who specialize in all sorts of tactics, making NPC's invulnerable to some of those tactics destroys an aspect of the game. If the BS's are too easy to kill, when realistically vulnerable.....increase the number that spawn in.
On the same coin, when are high-level spawns actually going to start dropping stuff they use? I seriously doubt an Enforcer uses small ammunition and 10 mn MWD's.
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Al Thorr
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Posted - 2004.07.08 23:26:00 -
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Always thought npc BS should be very hard to kill / jamm . if its easy then whats the point? sorry cant understand the whine - a bs is the top of the range ship and if your bs was nerfed in the same way you would complain even more vociferously. imho
Spelling mistakes included :)
Regards Al Thorr
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Al Thorr
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Posted - 2004.07.08 23:26:00 -
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Always thought npc BS should be very hard to kill / jamm . if its easy then whats the point? sorry cant understand the whine - a bs is the top of the range ship and if your bs was nerfed in the same way you would complain even more vociferously. imho
Spelling mistakes included :)
Regards Al Thorr
I Am in shape, ROUND is a shape |
Lyela
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Posted - 2004.07.08 23:29:00 -
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If they wish for NPC battleships to be like players then do that, no infinate cap etc, armortanking NPC, cool, makes the fight fun, but he should have the same disadvantage like eventually running outa cap, I still have no problem taking on 500k-1mil BS solo with the overnerfed BS turrets, you just gotta learn you cant fly at them, away from them or sit still, you have to match their direction of travel/maintain optimal distance etc and so on. and learn to switch out ammo as needed.
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Lyela
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Posted - 2004.07.08 23:29:00 -
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If they wish for NPC battleships to be like players then do that, no infinate cap etc, armortanking NPC, cool, makes the fight fun, but he should have the same disadvantage like eventually running outa cap, I still have no problem taking on 500k-1mil BS solo with the overnerfed BS turrets, you just gotta learn you cant fly at them, away from them or sit still, you have to match their direction of travel/maintain optimal distance etc and so on. and learn to switch out ammo as needed.
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Beseb
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Posted - 2004.07.08 23:32:00 -
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NPC's are fine the way they are. The difficulty is just about right.
Some of the loot tables are a little silly though. I killed a few 750k Sanshas last night and got some frigate sized lasers off them...
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Beseb
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Posted - 2004.07.08 23:32:00 -
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NPC's are fine the way they are. The difficulty is just about right.
Some of the loot tables are a little silly though. I killed a few 750k Sanshas last night and got some frigate sized lasers off them...
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Borsig Rheinmetall
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Posted - 2004.07.08 23:34:00 -
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hard to jam, yes. BUT I can jam a player scorp using 2 gravemetric II backup arrays with 6 multispectrals. Yet I cant jam a dominix or a megathron of the NPC variety with six now?
They were just fine the way they were. 4-5 multis is the same it takes to jam almost any player BS. Should NPC's be harder than skilled players?
As mayhem said, taking away a combat tactic is bad. Some people like to slug and tank, some like to use EW. I prefer the latter method. What if they took away the ability to shield tank vs NPC. say give them a special weapon that your shield taking wouldnt stop. Say they did that, and made EW the only viable way to NPC hunt.
They were fine the way they were, save the lousy loot drops. But if the ability to use EW on them is taken away (its not hard to jam them, its impossible) then yes, bounties need to go up on them.
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Borsig Rheinmetall
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Posted - 2004.07.08 23:34:00 -
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hard to jam, yes. BUT I can jam a player scorp using 2 gravemetric II backup arrays with 6 multispectrals. Yet I cant jam a dominix or a megathron of the NPC variety with six now?
They were just fine the way they were. 4-5 multis is the same it takes to jam almost any player BS. Should NPC's be harder than skilled players?
As mayhem said, taking away a combat tactic is bad. Some people like to slug and tank, some like to use EW. I prefer the latter method. What if they took away the ability to shield tank vs NPC. say give them a special weapon that your shield taking wouldnt stop. Say they did that, and made EW the only viable way to NPC hunt.
They were fine the way they were, save the lousy loot drops. But if the ability to use EW on them is taken away (its not hard to jam them, its impossible) then yes, bounties need to go up on them.
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Al Thorr
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Posted - 2004.07.08 23:38:00 -
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Edited by: Al Thorr on 08/07/2004 23:40:20
and another point : who are YOU to DEMAND anything on my behalf ?
Go away you 3 month 'veteran'
Why whinge when you evidently do not have the skill points to ?
Regards Al Thorr
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Al Thorr
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Posted - 2004.07.08 23:38:00 -
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Edited by: Al Thorr on 08/07/2004 23:40:20
and another point : who are YOU to DEMAND anything on my behalf ?
Go away you 3 month 'veteran'
Why whinge when you evidently do not have the skill points to ?
Regards Al Thorr
I Am in shape, ROUND is a shape |
Borsig Rheinmetall
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Posted - 2004.07.08 23:44:00 -
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Gimmie a break on the damn skillpoints. Im sick of hearing that rebutal to anything I ever say on these forums. There are plenty of people annoyed by this.
So what if I only have a few million skill points. Stealth nerfing is bad no matter what game you play or how long youve been playing it.
If you cant come up with a better response than that, sit back and think on the subject at hand. If you like the change and the "stealth nerf" as it were, then fine. Thats your opinion. The number of skillpoints I have has nothing to do with what seems to sit poorly with the MAJORITY of people who have posted on the subject, and those Ive talked to ingame so far.
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Borsig Rheinmetall
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Posted - 2004.07.08 23:44:00 -
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Gimmie a break on the damn skillpoints. Im sick of hearing that rebutal to anything I ever say on these forums. There are plenty of people annoyed by this.
So what if I only have a few million skill points. Stealth nerfing is bad no matter what game you play or how long youve been playing it.
If you cant come up with a better response than that, sit back and think on the subject at hand. If you like the change and the "stealth nerf" as it were, then fine. Thats your opinion. The number of skillpoints I have has nothing to do with what seems to sit poorly with the MAJORITY of people who have posted on the subject, and those Ive talked to ingame so far.
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Al Thorr
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Posted - 2004.07.08 23:56:00 -
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With the greatest respect bud but you cannot DEMAND anything from this forum.. as you are not even considered an accomplished player ( sorry it is a skill point thing ) and you do not speak for me or many others when you say COMMUNITY... so I suggest you start off your flame correctly in your asumption of your own importance.!
I never voted you as my spokes person nor can I remember any such vote being cast ...... SO please clarify your so called position on these points tha you so vehemently subscribe to.
If you wish to complain then do so as an individual but not as a self appointed " I AM EVE " type wnker
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Al Thorr
I Am in shape, ROUND is a shape |
Al Thorr
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Posted - 2004.07.08 23:56:00 -
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With the greatest respect bud but you cannot DEMAND anything from this forum.. as you are not even considered an accomplished player ( sorry it is a skill point thing ) and you do not speak for me or many others when you say COMMUNITY... so I suggest you start off your flame correctly in your asumption of your own importance.!
I never voted you as my spokes person nor can I remember any such vote being cast ...... SO please clarify your so called position on these points tha you so vehemently subscribe to.
If you wish to complain then do so as an individual but not as a self appointed " I AM EVE " type wnker
Regards
Al Thorr
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Borsig Rheinmetall
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Posted - 2004.07.09 00:01:00 -
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i can understand that point I suppose..
I'll edit the title then. Perhaps somone with 15 million SP can see it my way and get some respect on the issue.
At least Im not posting with an alt.
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Borsig Rheinmetall
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Posted - 2004.07.09 00:01:00 -
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i can understand that point I suppose..
I'll edit the title then. Perhaps somone with 15 million SP can see it my way and get some respect on the issue.
At least Im not posting with an alt.
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Lansfear
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Posted - 2004.07.09 00:02:00 -
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 Originally by: ProphetGuru
I DEMAND pi3!!!!!!1111oneone
pi3 yummy
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Lansfear
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Posted - 2004.07.09 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: ProphetGuru
I DEMAND pi3!!!!!!1111oneone
pi3 yummy
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