For the continued long term survival of the game, there must be a GÇ£safe havenGÇ¥ for the care bears. They will be the ones that form the BULK of the subscription base. With increased profits, then the company that makes this game can use those profits to add more content, expand the game, improve performance, ect ect

Im not saying no pvp, but I am saying that the poorly controlled PVP piracy in high sec has driven players away and has negatively affected the profit potential of the company and the potential growth /expansion of the game.

You know what I love about Eve?.

Theres so many carebears and moral justice advocates that try to apply some type of different logic how the game actually works, particularly in regards to their own shortcomings.

"If I can't survive, lets change the rules"

No dude, harden yourself up or find a new game. That's how we roll.

I don't consider myself an elite pvp master, but everyone has to admit that a pair of shitfit thrashers able to kill a 200m isk hulk in a few seconds is at the very least slightly unbalanced. Most of the gankers dont realize that their ships have to come from somewhere, and it's not gonna be drone lands any longer.

That being said, it shouldn't be hendered by game mechanics at all - just maybe balance the hp of exhumers a little bit better (or fitting) so the risk required to kill one is more than 5m isk.

You know what I love about Eve?.

Theres so many carebears and moral justice advocates that try to apply some type of different logic how the game actually works, particularly in regards to their own shortcomings.

"If I can't survive, lets change the rules"

No dude, harden yourself up or find a new game. That's how we roll.

Wow, such passion. Such fire. So many words to say basically nothing!

I've never been ganked, suicide or otherwise. I've died many times in wartime, but I've never been "ganked" (nor have I ganked anyone, I prefer combat to target practice).

Calling for a change in flawed mechanics is hardly something new for Eve is it? Change isn't evil.

Also, HTFU and derivatives got old as soon as the 4 minute video ended.

Sure there is, He's a simple one, allow anyone that is +2 or above shoot anyone that is -2 or below. Have this not be considered a criminal act. Guess what will happen, the gankers will cry and bleat and scream about how concord doesn't protect them enough.

***** please, that'd be ******* paradise.

-Liang

You're just talking about a game machanic change that wont make you any better. All things being equal you still get blowed up.

Well you could use basic situational awareness which applies to every second you're in space anywhere.

Advocating crippling the fundamental basics of what makes eve unique just makes you weak and lazy.

Yet things usually arent, Two week old catalyst gankers SHOULD lose vs six year combat mains youd think



Why would making MORE PVP (and making high sec more directly player policed) in high sec be "crippling the fundamental basics of what makes eve unique"?

I think itd be a lot COOLER if we could shoot the negatives and have CONCORD not care



Unless youre a ganker in high sec then the "security" works for you not against you till you get deep in the negatives



Are you THAT threatened by them actally making it difficult to gank?
what about risk/reward? Isnt that usually what you guys crow?

c'mon man I know you have more refined thoughts than this.

It's all worked out. Just because someone is yellow in high sec doesn't mean it's a free target.

There's a staggered sec drop penalty per system thats in place.

Yet things usually arent, Two week old catalyst gankers SHOULD lose vs six year combat mains youd think



Why would making MORE PVP (and making high sec more directly player policed) in high sec be "crippling the fundamental basics of what makes eve unique"?

I think itd be a lot COOLER if we could shoot the negatives and have CONCORD not care



Unless youre a ganker in high sec then the "security" works for you not against you till you get deep in the negatives



Are you THAT threatened by them actally making it difficult to gank?
what about risk/reward? Isnt that usually what you guys crow?

I think thats exactly the point. He doesn't want to fight.

[Theres so many carebears and moral justice advocates that try to apply some type of different logic how the game actually works, particularly in regards to their own shortcomings.

"If I can't survive, lets change the rules"

No dude, harden yourself up or find a new game. That's how we roll.

Liang, remember that in the current climate you probably wouldn't be allowed to shoot back.

EVE Online has seen continued subscription growth since launch.

There, I just defeated your arguments in one stroke.

No dude, harden yourself up or find a new game. That's how we roll.

c'mon man I know you have more refined thoughts than this.

It's all worked out. Just because someone is yellow in high sec doesn't mean it's a free target.

+2 - -2 is to close.

+5 - -5 works much better. You want to kill baddies grind your way up, just like the baddies have to do if they want to lose their -10.

What I find most amusing is how the gankbear crowd screams in horror from these ideas. "Oh No, the carebears will be able to shoot at us! Oh No, this will kill PVP in Eve!!!" Bunch of clowns. It would be one of the best PVP motivators possible.

Carebears are fickle gamers. You can lose them to competitors just as easily as you gain them.

"Hardcore" players usually have a greater sense of investment in the game as a player. Certainly Carebears can feel invested, but that tends to be in the manner of storyline or social interaction, things which can be consumed and feelings which can be transfered to new games.

You can be a great startup if you draw in a lot of Carebears. But then what? They consume your story, your content, your community; and then they move on and become absorbed in the next thing.

If an MMO wants to be around for as long as EVE, it has to draw in the "Hardcore" crowd too. It takes people who create their own meta-game, something that EVE is famous (infamous) for.

And for my final point, there are two kinds of changes that are made for Carebears: the first kind of change always benefits the "hardcore" crowd more with improvements to quality-of-life and access/control to new aspects of gameplay or the economy, and the second kind of change are the ones that destroy games such as pay-to-win cash shops and hand-holding gameplay-on-rails which very few Carebears will even tolerate for long.